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theladwhoisweird · 4 months
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I was good. I was really good.
It's been 64 years, Neil.
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shinobufied · 1 year
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just a silly little thought I had:
one day Bruce falls asleep on the couch, this isn't a too rare occurence, but this time it was a huge relief to Alfred, since he hadn't properly slept for days.
So boom, knocked out on the couch while watching TV and time freezes, Alfred sees it and does not even dare to breath. Complete lockdown of the wayne household, everyone going into "cat-fell-asleep-on-my-lap-mode" .
Dick enters the room, rambling about something but being immediately interrupted by Alfreds energetic "ssh." At first he looks offended but then he sees his father knocked out on the couch and his expression turns into a conflicted one, because his favourite trashy show is about to come on and he really needs to see it because last patrol was really shitty and his ribs are bruised and hurt and-
Then his phone vibrates in his pocket and he sees a message from Alfred. "If you wish to watch your show, you can do it here, just put subtitles on and be quiet."
Dick sends him a thumbs up in response and when he looks up Alfred is long gone.
About 5 minutes later Jason comes in, complaining about something and just like his brother before were silenced with a " pssch." His eye twitched slightly because how dare they, but then he sees Bruce and immediately understands. Dick, seeing that his brother apparently had a shitty day as well, pulls out his phone and a moment later Jasons phone vibrates.
"Wanna watch with me? It's pretty lame and we only have subtitles but Sharon just found out she got cheated on and is now plotting revenge."
Jason does not know who Sharon is, but oddly enough he's intrigued so he joins Dick on the couch and they watch, occasionally trash talking via the phone.
Then Tim comes in, then Damian, Cassandra, Steph and eventually Duke, all being visibly stressed out and for some odd reason agreeing to watch Dicks shitty comfort show. At some point they're messaging each other more than watching the show, at some point one of them impulsively opened a new gc specifically for trash talking that show and the room is filled with the occasional giggle which is silenced with the glares from the others.
This now developes into a habit of theirs, regardless whether theyre all in the manor or scattered across the globe, they all sit down and watch the newest episode, discussing it in their stupid gc.
Bruce on the other hand wakes up after his nap completely disoriented and confused, but he see's all his children sitting on the couch, seeing them careless and happy for the first time in a long while so he decides the reason doesn't really matter.
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demonictumble · 1 year
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whenever I see reverse robins where Tim Drake is Red Hood “cleaning up” crime alley, I don’t really get it?
Like this is if the backstories weren’t changed and he was still Bristol kid that became second robin and then died plus Lazarus pit.
I can definitely see that Tim killing rogues and ig becoming a crime lord (personally I see him more as an assassin( but I don’t necessarily understand why he’d be “cleaning up” crime alley. He doesn’t have an emotional connection. He was kind of raised with a silver spoon.
Yes he deffo saw hardships as robin but not necessarily felt them. He gives off savior complex. If he tried to help, I think it would more be with the background stuff like funding, etc. not necessarily interacting with the I habitants
Anyways, just my thoughts on ReverseRobin!Tim / RedHood!Tim
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a-canceled-stamp · 5 months
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Whumptober 2023 - dialogue
Day 1. Safety Net | Swooning | “How many fingers am I holding up?”
Characters; pairings: Tim, Jason; Tim & Jason
Setting: the manor. In my mind it’s a “Tim is adopted early” AU but can be read differently.
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“Hey, hold up!”
“Leave me alone, Jason.”
“What the hell? You can’t just walk away from this!”
“It’s not a big deal.”
“Not a big—you passed out!”
“…only a little.”
“Are you kidding? You were out. Like, fully. Lights out, nobody’s home, the whole shebang. I swear, you even stopped breathing at one point.”
“Okay, that’s an exaggeration. You’re being dramatic.”
“Dude, I had to catch you. If anyone’s being dramatic, it’s you. Literally swooning into my arms.”
“Jason—“
“Listen, I’m just stating the facts. And the facts are, you gotta start taking more care of yourself.”
“I do!”
“Oh really? When was the last time you ate?”
“…you know what, I don’t have to answer any do you questions if I don’t want to.”
“Aha! See? Wait, come on, stop trying to walk away from this, man.”
“Come on, why can’t you just—“
“No. We need to get some nutrients in you, stat. Maybe some gatorade just to get your blood sugar up. Or maybe water first?”
“Jason, I don’t—”
“No, don’t you get it? I’ve had enough of this, alright? Now stand there and don’t move. If you try to run I swear to god I will burn your Tony Hawk poster.”
“…”
“Yeah, I ain’t fucking around. Now, Alfred’s gotta have some bars or shakes around here somewhere. If not I’ll make you a goddamn omelet if I have to. Seriously, Tim, this is ridiculous.”
“Uh, Jason? I think I—“
“Shut your yap. ‘It’s not a big deal’ my ass. News flash: passing out while walking up the stairs is not normal.”
“Jason, I, I think I might—“
“God, what the hell is Bruce even doing. World’s greatest detective and can’t even notice that his own kid is—hey what are you—oh shit.”
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zefforuins · 11 months
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#made myself mad thinking abt characters and things that don’t matter yet again#going to type my thoughts out here and then distract myself so I get over it LMAO#anyway. a heem heem#at the end of the day it does not matter. how people draw fictional characters. I can always find artists who draw them how I like and I do#but. because I am in a bad mood today. I just think that people who. draw Jason Todd like. really skinny. drives me insane#not necessarily just like the existence of it cause I am used to it but like when it’s him with other characters who are also skinny#I’m like hey why is he the same body type as his 17 year old brother?#and listen. Gotham knights Jason is not my favorite Jason#they fucked up his hair real bad. he looks older than he should according to when the game takes place. but whenever I see someone comment#on his build in the game?? I’m baffled. it’s pissing me off at this point tbh. like I’m sorry 1. not everyone is a size 0 just because you#find it hot. and 2. do you seriously expect. the character who’s whole think is being very strong. and beating people up nightly.#who’s fighting style is much heavier than his acrobat brothers style. to…be skinnier than said brother?#genuinely I think that gk Jason is generally how Jason SHOULD be built 99% of the time. like AK Jason and GK Jason. that’s peak#and it’s always ppl who like. when you look thru their art that body type is the ONLY body type they draw. and I’m like 🤨🤨🤨 is this like#bleeding into fatphobia territory now? not that gk Jason is fat because he VERY much isn’t. but they just draw character sooooooo skinny#as if their whole deal isn’t being physically strong!!!#atp I would rather every character look like 90s xtrme comics drawn by 40 yr old men where their arms are bigger than their heads and you#can see every muscle cause at least it makes somewhat more sense given their jobs ・_・ even tho it is ridiculous in its own way#my post#and it is my least fav comic art style LMAO#but anyways#nothing matters and I surround myself with love and light and I and the smartest person in the world who knows more about my favs than them#<3
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iamthedukeofurl · 5 months
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Scott Pilgrim is, I think, the best example I can think of for establishing a setting's Nonsense Limit. The setting's Nonsense Limit isn't quite "How high-fantasy is this". It's mostly a question of presentation, to what degree does the audience feel that they know the rules the world operates by, such that they are primed to accept a random new element being introduced. A setting with a Nonsense Limit of 0 is, like, an everyday story. Something larger than life, but theoretically taking place in our world, like your standard spy thriller action movie has a limit of 1. Some sort of hidden world urban fantasy with wizards and stuff operating in secret has a nonsense limit around 3 or 4. A Superhero setting, presenting an alternate version of our world, is a 5 or 6. High fantasy comes in around a 7 or so, "Oh yeah, Wizards exist and they can do crazy stuff" is pretty commonly accepted. Scott Pilgrim comes in at a 10. If you read the Scott Pilgrim book, it starts off looking like a purely mundane slice of life. The first hint at the fantastical is Ramona appearing repeatedly in Scott's Dreams, and then later showing up in real life. When we finally get an explanation, it's this:
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Apparently Subspace Highways are a thing? And they go through people's heads? And Ramona treats this like it's obscure, but not secret knowledge. Ramona doesn't think she's doing anything weird here. At this point, it's not clear if Scott is accepting Ramona's explanation or not, things kind of move on as mundane as ever until their Date, when Ramona takes Scott through subspace, and he doesn't act like his world was just blown open or anything, although I guess that could have been a metaphor. there's a couple other moments, but everything with Ramona could be a metaphor, or Scott not recognizing what's going on. Maybe Ramona is uniquely fantastical in this otherwise normal world. And then, this happens
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Suddenly, a fantastical element (A shitty local indie band finishing their set with a song that knocks out most of the audience) is introduced unrelated to Ramona, and undeniably literal. We see the crowd knocked out by Crash and The Boys. but the story doesn't linger on the implications of that, the whole point of that sequence is to raise the Nonsense Level, such that you accept it when This happens
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Matthew Patel comes flying down onto the stage, Scott, who until this point is presented as a terrible person and a loser, but otherwise is extremely ordinary, proceeds to flawlessly block and counter him before doing a 64-hit air juggle combo. Scott's friends treat this like Scott is showing off a mildly interesting party trick, like being really good at darts. The establish that Scott is the "Best Fighter in the Province", not only are street-fighter battles a thing, Scott is Very Good at it, but they're so unimportant that being the best fighter in the province doesn't make Scott NOT a loser. So when Matthew Patel shows off his magic powers and then explodes into a pile of coins, we've established "Oh, this is how silly the setting gets". It's not about establishing the RULES of the setting so much as it is about establishing a lack of rules. Scott's skill at street-fighter battles doesn't translate to any sort of social prestige. Ramona can access Subspace Highways and she uses it to do a basic delivery job. It doesn't make sense and it's clear that it's not supposed to. So later on, when Todd Ingram starts throwing around telekinesis, and the explanation we're given is "He's a Vegan" , you're already so primed by the mixture of weirdness and mundanity that rather than trying to incorporate this new knowledge into any sort of coherent setting ruleset, you just go "Ah, yeah, Vegans".
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incorrectbatfam · 5 months
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Rank the batfam's hero names
Nightwing, Flamebird, Azrael: 10/10 no notes
Huntress: 9/10 I don't think the name quite matches the look but it's still pretty badass
Oracle: 8/10 I can see where she's coming from but aren't oracles supposed to see into the future
Bluebird: 7/10 because it's better than what's coming after this
Robin: 6/10 since so many people have held that title
Batwing: 5/10 a little derivative but it fits
Red Hood: 4/10 I feel personally victimized that Jason Todd isn't a real person that I could have a drink with
Batman/Batwoman/Catwoman/Batgirl: 3/10 anything with a man/woman/etc. suffix loses points for originality in my book
Spoiler: 2/10 sorry Steph I love you but it doesn't work outside a specific context
Signal: 1/10 you're named after a lightbulb
Orphan: 0/10 I get the message but that doesn't automatically make the name good
Red Robin: -5/10 might as well call yourself Applebee's
Drake: -1000000/10 who greenlit this I need to have a word
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gale-gentlepenguin · 5 months
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Gale Rates: All the break ups of Ramona and her Evil exes
Criteria:
1. It will have 3 ratings. How bad the break up is, How much fault is on the Ex, and How much fault is on Ramona.
2. It will be rated 0 out of 10. 0 being that it was not their fault, 10 being it was completely their fault.
3. This is going as objective as possible. I will be using the Original source (the comics) and any supplemental source that gives insight on the break up.
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1. Matthew Patel
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Ratings: Break up: 3/10
The relationship always felt like a means to an end. Plus it was middle school and it barely counts
Matthew’s Fault: 3/10
From my understanding he was too immature and his Capriciousness (moody) , but it was Ramona that indeed ended the relationship and he didn’t take it well
Ramona’s Fault: 7/10
Ramona said up front the only reason she dated him was to get the jocks off her back and because he wasn’t a Jock and wasn’t white (her own words). Which really makes it a means to an end. She doesn’t make it sound like he didn’t know this. But Ramona could have handled it better.
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Lucas Lee
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Break up: 10/10
Considering Lucas felt this was a big deal and he was cheated on, it’s clear that this was a hurtful break up. As For Ramona she hardly seemed to think much of the relationship. But still it is completely on their actions it ended
Lucas Fault: 1/10
Ramona did mention that there was a lot of Drama in their relationship. To the point that she wasn’t sure what class she met him (drama, or math). But even so Ramona ended up leaving him for her next Evil Ex which she cheated on him with. Now I can’t fault Lucas too much, because he doesn’t even hold much ill will towards her, he hates Todd more. At worse he was described as whiny.
Ramona’s Fault: 9/10
She cheated on him. Like that pretty much sums it up. She might have not really considered it much of a relationship, And I’m being understanding and trying to be as objective as possible. Ramona has completely created this Evil Ex,
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Todd Ingram
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Break up: 2/10
They ended up breaking up cause they were going to different colleges and it was mutual. They were the bad kids together but there was no real malice in the split
Ramona: 4/10
As mentioned above, it was a mutual break up cause they were going to different colleges. Ramona even pointed out that Todd was a bad guy known for fooling around. And she was mortified by the moon thing. So even though the break up was mutual, I feel like she still would break it off sooner or later.
Todd: 6/10
As mentioned above, it was a mutual break up cause they were going to different colleges. But Todd also had a girl back home he was waiting for him. And he was a prick.
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Roxie Richter
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Break up: 8/10
Ramona's university roommate and the only ex-girlfriend. She alleges that their relationship was just a phase. But as expanded upon in Scott Pilgrim takes off, Roxie fell hard for her and the way they broke up was Ramona leaving without saying a word. So it was heartbreaking and sad.
Ramona’s Fault: 8/10
While not as bad as what she did to Lucas, I find what she did to Roxie on a similar level. Ramona never really gives a reason aside from it was a phase. Which Roxie is hurt by. I can’t entirely fault Ramona because if you realize you aren’t into another sex (or just not attracted To Roxie) you shouldn’t stay out of obligation. But that being said, she should have talked with Roxie about it.
Roxie’s Fault: 2/10
Roxie really isn’t at fault here, I guess the only thing one could argue is she could have pushed Ramona to get some answers and maybe be a bit more forthcoming with her feelings. But that is really all I can say. Though in the comic Roxie and Ramona have a more friendly relationship.
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Kyle & Ken Katayanagi
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(Mostly they are in the background I’m sorry)
Break up: 10/10
Ramona blatantly cheated on them with eachother. Like yea according to her they were womanizers and sleazy, but it never made it sound like they were cheaters or anything worse. And the relationship ended when they found out about the cheating
Ramona’s Fault: 10/10
She intentionally did this. This is her fault which she admits. And quite frankly I feel bad for the twins, screwed over by screen time and Ramona. I will point out how intentionally f***ed this is
Kyle & Ken Katayanagi: 0/10
Maybe they were complete douchebags, but they got intentionally played by Ramona. It’s often skipped over but it’s probably the most justified why these guys are Evil Exes. At least they have eachother.
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Gideon Graves
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Break up: 10/10
Gideon was an abusive asshole that experimented on Ramona and got angry when she left because she ended the relationship and his ego couldn’t understand why
Gideon’s Fault: 10/10
Gideon is an abusive asshole that thinks he’s God’s gift to humanity and can’t understand why people would ever want to leave him. He EXPERIMENTED on Ramona. Not experimented with like in a kinky way, but in a science lab rat kind of way. This doesn’t even include what he WAS planning to do with her later. Point is, this one’s on him.
Ramona’s Fault: 0/10
See above, she is 100% valid for leaving that abusive relationship.
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heroesriseandfall · 2 months
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Canonical Batfamily Birthdays
Here are all the birthdates I know of that are canon somewhere in DC, with a preference for the main comics continuities. I have included exact sources and image references when possible. I am not including character introduction dates, just actual birthdays.
If you find any other sources for Batfamily birthdays, please do share!
A moment of silence for Batfamily characters who don’t have canonical birthdays yet, so far as I know. This includes Damian Wayne, Stephanie Brown, Duke Thomas, and more. :(
Summary
Source images will be further down, but here’s an overview in roughly age order (I’m not sure of Kate vs Selina’s ages) with the dates the birthdays were introduced and used:
Tim Drake: July 19th (from 2003)
Jason Todd: August 16th (from 2004)
Cassandra Cain: January 26th (from 2002)
Helena Bertinelli: February 14th (in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold universe, from 2010)
Helena Wayne: September 7th (from 1984), potentially October 20th or the 22nd of unknown month or maybe October 22 or maybe Feb 28th (all the New 52 on passports from 2011-2012). These could also be New 52 Helena Bertinelli’s birthdays or nobody’s birthdays. who even knows.
Dick Grayson: March 20th (from 1995), October ~24th ish (from 1990), November 11th (from 1976), December 1st (on Earth-16 in animated Young Justice universe, from 2012)
Barbara Gordon: September 23rd (from 1976), sometime in fall (from 1987)
Selina Kyle: March 14th (from 1976)
Kate Kane: January 26th (in Batwoman TV series from 2020), March 21st? (word-of-god by J.H. Williams III from 2012)
Bruce Wayne: October 7th (from 2021), February 19th (from 1970s various to more recently), April ~7th (from the late 1940s)
Jim Gordon: January 5th (from 1976)
Alfred Pennyworth: April 8th (from 1976), August 16th (in the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe, from 2016)
Note: in this post when I say “main comics continuity(s)/universe” I’m referring to anything that’s been a “home” continuity for the comics at some point. For example, pre-Crisis Earth-2, Earth-1/New Earth, and Earth-0/Prime Earth, as opposed to Elseworlds or DCEU earths that are still part of the broader DC multiverse but have never been the primary continuity of the comics.
Below are further details and source panels.
Details and Sources
Tim Drake
Tim has only been given one canon birthday. He turned 16 on July 19th in Robin Vol. 2 #116 (cover date Sep 2003).
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Robin Vol. 2 #116 (Sep 2003)
Jason Todd
Jason turned 18 on August 16th in Detective Comics #790 (March 2004). This is his only canon birthday.
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Detective Comics #790 (Mar 2004)
In post-Crisis/preboot (1986-2011) continuity, there was a gap of six months between when Jason died and when he was resurrected (Batman Annual 25). Jason died April 27th according to his death certificates in Batman Annual 25 and Batman Files 2011, so he would’ve resurrected near late October.
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Batman Annual 25 (May 2006)
So, it could be that post-resurrection Jason is biologically 6 months younger than he chronologically should be. But honestly, do we even really know what multiverse-breaking resurrection punches and then a Lazarus Pit on top of that do to someone’s body??? Either way it’s just much more simple to just use his chronological age.
Cassandra Cain
Much like Tim and Jason, Cass has only ever been given one birthdate: January 26th from Batgirl Vol. 1 #33. With that birthday, she turned 18 in Batgirl Vol. 1 #37.
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Batgirl Vol. 1 #33 (Dec 2002)
When Jan 26th actually comes, Bruce suggests David Cain could’ve lied about it, but Cass denies that idea and continues to treat the day as her birthday.
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Batgirl Vol. 1 #37 (Apr 2003)
Why it's likely her real birthday: Bruce initially believes Cain must’ve lied because he doesn’t think Cain could’ve known her birthday. However, we later learn Cain had lied about her origins and was actually her biological father. Batgirl v1 #62 and #73 show he was there for her birth and could absolutely know the date.
On top of that, in Batgirl #37 Cass remembers celebrating her birthday with him as a child, so he did seem to actually keep track of it. I honestly don’t see any reason to believe he’d lie (Bruce is just a jealous spoilsport).
Helena Bertinelli + Wayne
I’m combining them here because the New 52 gives me a headache.
Helena Bertinelli celebrated her birthday on February 14th in a spin-off comic from the animated Batman: The Brave and the Bold series. This is obviously not part of regular comics continuity and the characters differ from the usual comics in many ways. And yet, for reasons that will soon be clear, it’s my favorite for actually being about Helena Bertinelli the Huntress and for not being an utter mess.
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Batman: The Brave and the Bold #14 (Apr 2010)
In a character profile at the end of Infinity Inc. #7 (Oct 1984), Helena Wayne’s birthday was September 7th, 1959. Calculating back from October 1984, that would make her 25 at the time.
During the New 52, Helena Bertinelli was initially portrayed as a long-dead (secretly alive but don’t worry about it) mobster’s daughter and replaced by Earth-2’s Helena Wayne who got stranded on Prime Earth. This H. Wayne stole H. Bertinelli’s identity in the form of several forged passports and IDs, which had hints toward birthdates. The question is, can we take any of those birthdates seriously, and if so, which birthdates and for which character? (Cue my headache.)
Skip ahead to Dick if overthinking fake passports sounds boring.
When comparing to a real Italian passport, the date on H. Wayne’s fake Italian passport appears to be a birthdate. Note that the fake name is Carol Bertinelli, not Helena. H. Wayne said her IDs were inspired by H. Bertinelli but clearly she’s taking liberties for the IDs so that’s a point toward these being useless for H. Bertinelli birthdays.
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Huntress Vol. 3 #1 (Dec 2011)
I don’t recognize the month abbreviation as a real abbreviation, but from the visible letter O I’m going to assume it means October. If it is, then the date is 20 October 1985. Sidenote: a 1985 birthdate during 2011 could put her age at about 26, which is actually quite close to how old she could’ve been based on pre-Flashpoint! 1985 has been given as Helena Wayne’s death year before, so it’s an interesting choice of a birth year for her. (Thanks to DC’s sliding timescale, though, birth years don’t actually mean anything in the comics.)
They don’t show her complete US passport, but I can see a “22” in line where the day of the month should be for her birthdate. This already contradicts the previous passport. This one uses Helena Bertinelli’s actual name, though–does that make it more relevant than the Carol one or this all still ridiculous because of the discrepancies?
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Worlds’ Finest Vol. 1 #1 (Jul 2012)
We can try to glean the US passport birth month from the passport number at the bottom. The first two digits (“12” here) indicate the agency that issued the passport. 12 means the Honolulu agency. Right after “USA” is supposed to be the birthdate plus an extra number, in the order of year/month/day with the year being the last two digits of a year. Here we encounter another problem. It says 810228. This would imply her birthdate is 1981/02/28. That’s February 28, 1981. Since the earlier line indicated her birthday fell on a 22nd, this already contradicts itself.
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Interpreting a Machine Readable Zone (MZR) on a Machine Readable Travel Document (MRTD)
However, I’d bet comic writers and artists aren’t always well versed in passport numbers (it’s already a stretch for me to bother checking it…). If they put the extra digit before the birthdate instead after, and the date is formatted month/day/year (the most common format in American English, so probably their first instinct), then we can drop the first 8 and it’s 10/22/8[?] with the last digit unknown. This would put her birthday as October 22, sometime in the 1980s. The 22 matches the earlier line, the October might match the previous passport if that really did say October (but contradicts the 20th), and the 1980s year could be 1985 to match the Italian passport.
At the end of the day I’m personally just going to let Helena Bertinelli be a Valentine’s born baby and call it a day, unless/until she gets a better one in the comics. For Helena Wayne I’d easily pick September 7th.
(My question is: did they give the crossbow vigilante a Valentine’s birthday as a Cupid joke??)
Dick Grayson
Dick has probably had the most birthdays of everyone (unless Bruce has more I don’t know about). All of them have their drawbacks.
In a main comics continuity, his most popular and most recent is “the first day of spring” so probably March 20th. This comes from Robin Annual 4 when his mom says she calls him Robin because he was born on the first day of spring. That presents some problems since there are other explanations given for the origin of “Robin,” including that his mom said he was “always bobbin’ along” (Dark Victory #12, page 17) or the original inspiration of Robin Hood (Detective Comics #38, p3).
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Robin Annual 4 (Jun 1995)
Before that, in Secret Origins Vol. 2 #50 (Aug 1990), Marv Wolfman wrote a version of Dick’s origins where Dick turned 10 a week before his parents died on Halloween. That would make his birthday October ~24th (presuming that “a week” before Halloween literally means 7 days here).
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Secret Origins Vol. 2 #50 (Aug 1990)
The first drawback of the October birthday is that it’s tied to Dick being 10 when his parents die on Halloween. Dick’s age and the date his parents die change a lot depending on the writer (Nightwing Vol. 1 #1 says his parents died June 27th, Dark Victory #8-9 says May, etc.). The second drawback is that few people remember this version of his birthday even exists.
Dick’s birthday is November 11th in Super DC Calendar 1976. Note: Despite being a non-diegetic calendar from almost 50 years ago, this source remains well known and used among comic enthusiasts (including those working at DC). Generally, I would say it should mainly apply just to pre-Crisis continuity, but it is also useful for characters that haven’t gotten updated birthdays ever since (like Roy Harper, Barbara Gordon, or Selina Kyle, for example).
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Super DC Calendar 1976
Sidenote: Since Damian doesn’t have a canon birthday, November 11th is favorite to steal for my own fan canon Damian birthday. Dick has plenty birthdays to share and I think it’s cute. @ DC, give Damian and Steph birthdays, they’ve been birthday-less for decades!
Indeed, DC writer Tim Sheridan and editor Mike Cotton debated whether Dick’s birthday was in March or November. They favored March 20th and wrote a birthday scene in Teen Titans Academy #1 (published March 23rd, 2021). The publishing time near Dick’s birthday was intentional, though the date isn’t mentioned within the comic itself.
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The above birthdays were all meant to apply to a main comics continuity at some point. However, Earth-16, better known as the animated Young Justice universe (therefore outside of main comics continuity), says YJ Dick’s birthday is December 1st.
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Young Justice Vol. 2 #20 (Nov 2012)
Unlike Helena Bertinelli, Dick has plenty of comics birthdays to choose from, so personally I’ll only count Dec 1st as being the birthday for YJ animated/Earth-16 Dick Grayson until or unless it’s ever mentioned to apply to main comics continuity.
Barbara Gordon
Super DC Calendar 1976 says Barbara’s birthday is September 23rd.
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Super DC Calendar 1976
Since then, the only time I recall her birthdate hinted at is in Secret Origins #20 when her adoptive mom says her birthday is in the fall. This could support her birthday being September 23rd.
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Secret Origins Vol. 2 #20 (Nov 1987)
Although she has celebrated her birthday on panel since then (the end of Nightwing Vol. 2 #153), she hasn’t been given any other actual birthdate. So I’ll keep September 23rd and call it a day.
Selina Kyle
Super DC Calendar 1976 says Selina’s birthday is March 14th. Once again, although it hasn’t been mentioned within a comic, it’s stuck around in popular consciousness (see: Catwoman actress Zoë Kravitz wishing Selina a happy birthday on March 14th).
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Super DC Calendar 1976
Selina celebrated a birthday on panel in Catwoman (2002) #37 but the date was never mentioned. I don’t know of any other reference to her birthday, but my reading of Selina is thus far more sparse than my reading of the others.
Kate Kane
Kate’s birthday options all come from outside of the comics themselves.
In “An Un-Birthday Present,” season 1 episode 11 of Batwoman, a parallel version of her twin Beth had a driver’s license showing her date of birth as January 26, 1990. She and Kate later celebrated their birthdays on an episode aired Jan 26th, 2020. I don’t keep up with live action DC shows so I unfortunately can’t offer a screenshot (if anyone has one or the timestamp, please let me know!).
(I kinda wonder if somebody looked up Batwoman’s birthday for these episodes, saw Batgirl’s (Cass’s) birthday, and just ran with it. Batwoman and a Batgirl sharing a birthday is just. Ughhh.)
In 2012, one of her comic writers tweeted to choose a random date for her birthday and picked March 21st, which so far as I know has never been used as her birthday in comics.
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Link to tweet
Bruce Wayne
Bruce’s most popular birthday is February 19th, but his most recent one is October 7th from the digital-only comic Legends of the Dark Knight. I believe that’s the only time October 7th has been referenced, but I’ve heard the animated show The Batman said his birthday was in October (can’t confirm, haven’t watched it recently).
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Legends of the Dark Knight #10 (Jun 2021) - Note: two pages have been combined into one for this post
Still, even associates of DC seem to remember his February 19th birthday better. In February 2023, Warner Bro’s Gotham Knights game did a sale for Bruce’s birthday. I’ve also heard the birthday was used in the Gotham TV show, but again, I don’t watch much live action DC shows.
The February 19th birthday appears to come from the 70s and 80s. It’s his birthday in the Super DC Calendar 1976, and in Batman Family Vol. 1 #11: “Suprise, Suprise!” (May 1977). Bob Rozakis (known as DC’s “Answer Man”) said Feb 19th was Bruce’s birthday in the letter column of Detective Comics #494 (Sep 1980).
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Letter column of Detective Comics #494 (Sep 1980)
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Batman Family Vol. 1 #11: “Suprise, Suprise!” (Jun 1977)
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Super DC Calendar 1976
Way back in the 40s, his birthday was in April, possibly April 7th. During a birthstone murder mystery, Bruce says his birthstone is a diamond, which is traditionally the April birthstone.
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World’s Finest Comics #33/6 (Mar-Apr 1948): “The 5 Jewels of Doom!”
Star Spangled Comics #91 (Apr 1949) might imply the exact date was April 7th but we’d have to assume the party is on his birthday and that “this month” refers to the publishing month of April. I believe this is where people get the April 7th birthday when they bring it up.
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Star Spangled Comics #91 (Apr 1949)
Early April also shines in Batman: Year One where it shows Bruce’s first night out as Batman being either the night of April 6th or the early morning of April 7th (Batman #405). So although the April Bruce birthday hasn’t been used in decades, it’s still a Batman birthday in a way.
I have also heard people say Frank Miller considered Bruce’s birthday to be in November. However, I have yet to find an original source of him saying that, and honestly (just like the “March 21st” birthday for Kate) if he never used it in any canon material I don’t put much weight in that.
Jim Gordon
The only birthday I’ve ever seen for Jim is January 5th from Super DC Calendar 1976.
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Super DC Calendar 1976
Alfred Pennyworth
Alfred’s birthday in Super DC Calendar 1976 is April 8th.
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Super DC Calendar 1976
In the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe (an alternate reality where the video game of the same name is set in), they show Alfred’s birth certificate, where it says his birthday is August 16th, 1943.
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Injustice: Gods Among Us Year Five #26 (Jun 2016)
Maybe you’ll notice that August 16th is Jason’s birthday. A little funny considering the issue features Alfred refusing to share his birthday only for us to learn it’s the same date as Jason’s. Still, annoying. There are so many days in the year! Stop choosing the same ones!
This Alfred birthdate runs into a similar problem Helena’s birthdates did: it’s not part of main comics canon, it’s an alternate universe, so it may not be applicable to the main comics universe.
Note: if we calculate that 1943 birth year from Jun 2016 when the comic was published, that’d make Alfred 72 soon to be 73. Does that mean anything in canon? Probably not, but oh well. Also...token British character born by Windsor Castle? …of course.
Personally, I would rather go with the April 8th birthday than the Injustice one, since Injustice is an alternate universe. Also, outside of the humor of it, the idea of Alfred and Jason sharing a birthday is a bit too much for me. Still, it’s up to people’s own cherry picking.
Chronology
The birthdays in publishing order alongside notable reboots. A soft-reboot refers to reboots that only changed a few details with minor consequences, keeping the overall continuity mostly intact. A major reboot has significant effects on continuity (too many to list).
1935-1986: Pre-Crisis era (Golden Age begins ~1946, Silver Age runs from late 50s--early 70s)
Mar-Apr 1948: Bruce’s birthday is in April
Apr 1949: Bruce has a birthday party on the 7th of “this month”
Skipping a good three decades because I barely even know what’s in there. Sorry lol
Mid 70s to early 90s: Bronze Age era
1976: the super dc calendar says Bruce’s birthday is February 19th, Alfred’s is April 8th, Dick’s is November 11th, Babs is September 23rd, Selina’s is March 14th, Jim’s is Jan 5th
Jun 1977: Bruce celebrates his birthday on February 19th
Sep 1980: letter collumnist says Bruce’s birthday is February 19th
Oct 1984: Helena Wayne’s birthday is on September 7th, 1959
Mar 1986: the major Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot (begins post-Crisis/New Earth era, many previous comics are now considered Earth-2 instead)
Nov 1987: Babs birthday is in fall
Aug 1990: Dick turns 10 a week before Halloween (probably October ~24th)
Sep 1994: Zero Hour soft reboot (Batman and Robin become urban legends so Robin is not allowed on video, Bruce’s parents’ murderer is changed to unknown instead of Joe Chill, Selina is no longer a once-prostitute)
Apr 1995: Dick’s birthday is the first day of spring (probably March 20th)
Oct 2002: Cass learns her birthday is January 26th
April 2003: Cass turns 18 on January 26th
Sep 2003: Tim turns 16 on July 19th
Mar 2004: Jason turns 18 on August 16th
Jun 2006: Infinite Crisis soft reboot (Joe Chill is restored as the arrested Wayne family murderer, Superboy-Prime's punch retroactively resurrects Jason)
Apr 2010: In the Batman: Brave and the Bold universe, Helena Bertinelli celebrates her birthday February 14th
Oct 2011: the major Flashpoint reboot (end of post-Crisis/preboot, begins the New 52 and changes the primary universe to Prime Earth; significant character/timeline changes and erasures)
Dec 2011: Helena Wayne’s fake Carol Bertinelli passport seems to list October 20th as a birthdate
Jul 2012: Helena Wayne’s fake Helena Bertinelli passport lists some 22nd unknown month, Oct 22nd, or Feb 28th birthday
Sep 2012: Batwoman writer J.H. Williams III randomly picks Kate’s birthday as March 21st on Twitter
Nov 2012: Earth-16/YJ animated Dick Grayson celebrates his birthday on December 1st
Jun 2016: In the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe, Alfred’s birth certificate says his birthday is August 16th
Jul 2016: Rebirth reboot (restores some pre-Flashpoint continuity, some characters regain previous histories but now semi-synchronized with the New 52 era)
Jan 2020: Batwoman TV show Kate celebrates her birthday on January 26th
Mar 2021: Writer Tim Sheridan says he & his editor chose March 20th as Dick’s birthday, between the March or November birthdays
May 2021: Infinite Frontier holds all previous continuities as potential canon, restoring more of pre-Flashpoint
Jun 2021: Bruce says his birthday is October 7th in a digital-only comic
Feb 2023: Gotham Knights game has a sale for Bruce’s birthday
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oh my god gym buddies!jason finally had the guts to ask her out on a date!! GO JAY GO!!! need to know how this date goes
Oh, you wanna know how the date went? Hahahaha. Ok.
Warnings, Swearing, fluff, Smut, hand holding, date, throat holding, me not know sweet fa about sports, but I made this reader sporty so I'm trying my best.
"Dude, I am so sweaty." You say to Annie as you skate to a stop at her goal post, " I can't believe I agreed to this date."
"Babes, it'll be fine," she nudges her helmet towards where Jason is sat in the stands, "he hasn't taken his eyes off you since we came out."
"I'm so nervous, I haven't been on a real date in.."
"Forever, I know." She sighs, squaring up as Mckinnley and Jones come at you both, "get out there, we need our defender."
"On it."
You're amazing, Jason thinks, so quick as you weave your way through the other players before slamming one of the other team into the barricade. No wonder you're a slow runner, you're fucking feet belong on the ice.
You move like a freight train in those pads, and he's honestly so impressed by you and the force you seem to have behind every hit. It hits him in an instant, and he whips out his phone, hoping Alfie is around to help him rearrange his date plans.
The game comes to a close as you win the game 1-0 it was really close and the Vipers really brought their all tonight, but with Annie in goal they didn't stand a chance.
Xx
"Good luck," Annie waves, as you pull your jacket on, adjusting your dress, "try not to kill him."
"Thanks, I'll try my best." You wave back as you head outside to meet your date.
He's waiting, his bulking form leaning against a black motorcycle and a spare helmet resting on the back seat. "Hello Sweetheart," Jason smiles, pushing off the bike and moving to meet you in the middle with a kiss, "you were so fucking hot out there."
"Hi Jay, I'm glad you enjoyed the show."
"You ready to go?" He rubs his hands together, "I got big plans for us."
"Can't wait," you grab the helmet, slipping it over your head and tilting the visor up, "well, we going or what?"
"Right," Jason shakes his head, his brain almost combusting at the sight of you in his spare helmet, on the back of his bike, "ready for the best night of your life?"
"Guess we'll see." You wrap your arms around him tight, your bag strapped to your back as you take off from the rink and into the night.
The bike goes fast, humming underneath you as you inhale Jason's cologne, feel his soft leather jacket under your finger tips and the wind rushes over your helmet.
"Where are we?" You ask when he pulls to the side of the road, "dude, this shady as fuck."
"Is not," he shrugs, taking off his helmet and sitting it on the bike, "where's your sense of adventure?"
"In these shoes?" You gesture to your kitten heels you bought for the date, "carrying this?" You jostle your bag, "my sense of adventure is about 2 miles away."
"You're right," he slips the bag from your shoulder, "let me carry that. Have you got any sneakers in here?"
"I mean, yeah. But what happened to take me out and show me off?"
"I think you've done enough showing off tonight. Miss I slam people so hard the ice shakes."
"You impressed Todd?"
"I'm not, not impressed." He says, grabbing your chucks from the bag and throwing them to you, "come on, it's only a ways up here." His head gestures towards the path in the woods, "it's not super far. Cardio lover like you will love it."
"Fine," you roll your eyes, tightening your coat around your dress to keep it from getting snagged in the trees.
"Where is it," Jason says, brushing his hand long the long layer of vines that sit before you, "gotta be- here!" He smiles brightly as a gate swings open behind him and you can see light filtering through the vines.
"Is this a murder dungeon?"
"Come and see," he steps through, holding the vines up so they don't snag in your hair.
You step under his arm, and the sight before you is like a fairy tale. Warm fairy lights hang over a sparkling frozen pond, a huge picnic blanket covered in tiny treats just to the side, all sitting in the cutest garden full of roses and maple trees. "Jason, this is-"
"Good right?" He starts to walk towards the picnic blanket, "do you like it?"
"Jason."
"It's not to much is it?" He turns worry written on his face, "we can go to a restaurant if you want, I just- seeing you on the ice and then I wanted to do something spec-"
"Shut up." You smile, jumping into his arms and kissing him senseless. You feel him carry you back, your backback falling to the ground next to him.
"You like it?" He whispers between your kisses, his hands gripping at your assunder your dress.
"It's beautiful, Jay."
"Like you."
"Corny." You push him gently in the chest, and he uses the momentum to fall to the ground. His arm catching the brunt of your weight.
"Oh no! I've been attacked." He jokes grabbing onto your hips and adjusting you on his lap, "whatever," he grabs your hands pulling them around his neck, "could I do to fight you off?" He winks pulling you so your chests are flush.
"You wouldn't," you squeeze your thighs on his, your nose brushing against his, "but-" You glance over to the tiny tea cakes, "I am starving."
"These -" he reaches over, sticking one half in his mouth, "are so good," you lean forward, taking a bite from it, giggling as he kisses you. Picking up another cake, "open up," he slowly feeds you the cake, then another watching as you moan at how good they are.
"You make the prettiest sounds for me," Jason sighs, holding your face to kiss you deeper, "and you taste like caramel."
"Jason," you moan into his kiss, "can we get on the ice?"
"Last one on the ice has to buy breakfast." He laughs, shoving you off him and reaching over to grab his skates.
"You're on Todd."
You zip around him, laughing as he spins trying to catch you. "Now who's the slow poke?"
"I'm going to get you," he threatens with a laugh, his hands always just beyond you, "you can't keep me away forever."
"Have you ever done a lift before?" You call out as you skate circles around him.
"You've met Grayson. What do you think?" He calls his arms, stretching out for you as you graze by him.
"Think you can catch me?"
"Don't promise to let you go if I do."
You skate back, doing a loop as you line up, "Ready?"
"Go." You take off, picking up speed as you close in on him and then suddenly his hands are around your waist, lifting you up and over his head as he spins you. The lights of the garden twinkle around you, your heart fluttering as he brings you down, your arms wrapping around his neck as you glide across the ice together.
"Fuck, you're stunning," Jason smiles, the joy shining in his eyes, his big hands massaging your waist, "can't believe you agreed to this."
"I can't believe you promised me a mind-blowing orgasm and yet," you start to play with his curls, "I'm back on the ice."
"Guess I better deliver then," he winks, scooping you in his arms and skating you off the pond, awkwardly walking you away from the lights.
"JAY," you giggle, trying to keep your skates away from his arms, "where are we going?"
"Somewhere a bit more private than Bruce's back lawn." He jokes and you have the realisation of where exactly the fuck you are right now. But when he opens the door to the greenhouse, you don't even give a shit. The moons filtering through the glass ceiling, Jason sits you on a wooden table his fingers already working to get both your skates off and when he looks up at you from the ground his eyes have gone completely feral.
"Jason," you say in a calming voice, "what's that look for?"
"I've wanted to to this all night, wrap those strong thighs around my head, sweetheart. Smother me in your strength," he pushes your panties to the side, his head disappearing under the skirt of your dress as he begins to devour you whole. Your legs clenching around his head as he sucks at your clit and he buries his fingers inside you.
He doesn't stop, doesn't slow until you're a panting mess above him, crying out his name, choking him between your legs and begging for him to fuck you.
"Lay back baby," he directs you, lifting your legs over his shoulders as he frees himself from his jeans, "you want this?" He asks, slapping you with his cock, "no nodding, I want your words. I wanna hear it."
"Fuck me Jason."
"Good girl." He plummets into you, grinding down into you as his hand twines with yours, "so fucking gorgeous."
"Hurry up, please." Jason leans over you, his lips molding with yours as his thick cock spreads you, stretching you out second by second until he reaches the end of you, "holy - Jay."
"I know," he pants into your kiss, "I know, I'm gunna move now, sweetheart. You ready?"
"Yes, please move. Please." He withdraws before thrusting back into you. Fucking into you so hard that the pots on the table start to shake.
"Take it for me." He breathes, his voice a low growl, "be a good girl and take it."
Your ankles lock around his neck, your legs shaking as he pounds into you. His mouth littering kisses up your neck as he whispers how well your doing and how perfect you are for him.
"Jay, I-"
"I know baby, I know it's so good." Jason leans his face back, pressing his forehead into yours, his fingers tightening in yours, "I want your cum," taking his free hand he wraps it around your thigh, pressing his fingers into your clit, "I want all of it," he fucks down into you his thick cock grinding down into your g spot, "and you're going to give it to me."
"Jaso-" you pant over and over as your climax floods through you and onto his cock.
"I'm not done baby, I want all your cum."
"I can't."
"Yes, you can." He keeps going his pace slowing as he starts to slam into you, "I know you've got more cum for me," he moves your hands wrapping them both around your throat, "this is gunna make sure I get it." His hand held over yours as you hold your throat.
"Jason, it's so much," you whine your ass inching up the table in an attempt to get away.
"No you fucking don't." He growls, tightening his grip on your throat, his solid arm flexing over your thigh to keep you in place, "you’ve got more for me, sweetheart." He growls his dick still slamming into you, "give it to me."
"I- ah. Jaso- plea-" you lose your words as your second climax threatens to kill you and Jasons cum fills you up.
He slows, still slowly fucking into you as you come down from you. Your breath still stuck in your throat. He gently drops your legs from his shoulders, wrapping them around his waist as he burries his face in your neck.
"Jason," you pant, kissing him softly on the cheek.
"Yes, sweetheart?"
"Is this Wayne manor?"
"Hmmm..."
"Is Bruce going to kill us?"
"No, but we should probably get going before Alfred comes to find us."
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mybrainissquishy · 4 months
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hii hai :3 if it wont inconvenience u i would love regressor todd headcanons !!! please and thank you loads :p
I've been waiting for somebody to ask me fore these!!! I love thinking about Regressor Todd, he's me fr. Sorry if these are a little sadder/more impure than my other HCs, but I think they'd fit, and I think impure regression should be recognized too.
Todd Ingram Agere Headcanons
Todd regresses around 3-5, though occasionally regresses all the way back to 0 in times of high stress.
His favorite little snacks are apple slices and banana slices. His favorite little drink is a strawberry-mango smoothie with almond milk instead of real milk.
He has some Agere gear, but he's worried of what people will think of him, so he keeps it in a box and hides it in his room.
^Included items in his box are: A green pacifier, a teddybear he's had since he was a kid, an apple-shaped teether toy, a frog onesie, and a cutesy fairytale coloring book that comes with crayons.
He loves to play pretend, and his favorite is to play what he calls "The Bug Game", where he and other members of the league pretend to be bugs. He usually likes to be a ladybug.
When Todd regresses around the League of Evil Exes, the ones who immediately go to help are Roxie, Lucas and Matthew. Roxie is an experienced babysitter, Lucas is good with kids, and Matthew is a total caregiver at heart even though he doesn't know the term.
Todd uses age regression as a way to help manage his stress levels, as when he's too upset or stressed out, his vegan powers go out of whack.
Todd is a very active little one. He likes to play outside all the time, but he gets embarrassed most of the time and keeps his regression to himself if possible when he's out in public without a cg.
His tantrums are really big and really bad. He doesn't have them a lot, but if he's made upset enough in littlespace, it could get potentially dangerous. He uses regression to manage his powers, but if he's that upset, he'll freak out and use his powers with even less control over them.
^If this does ever happen, it usually leads to the poor baby feeling guilty. He always cries and apologizes afterwards. He doesn't know what else to do when his feelings are too big for his little self.
In an event where Todd is getting close to a stress level that's too high, Gideon has a special room in his secret evil lair for Todd to try and relax in. It's full of stuffies, blankets, pillows and more. It's quiet, the lights are dim, and it's great for de-stressing or for nap time.
When it's naptime, he likes to listen to music box versions of songs he's performed with Envy.
When Todd colors in his coloring book, he makes it a point to color specific pages for specific members of the league and hand them out accordingly.
He likes to bring in random animal friends to meetings with the league when he's regressed. Frogs, Rabbits, Ducks, Cats, Birds, Hedgehogs. He even brought in a tiger once. Nobody knows how he did it. Nobody knows why the tiger was so nice to him. Nobody knows where he even found it. All they know is that Gideon now has a pet tiger named Fluffy that Todd plays with sometimes.
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theladwhoisweird · 8 months
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Do you think this polish guy in glasses looks like our actor, neil?
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lastoneout · 4 months
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I gotta tell you. You are out here fighting god's biggest battles with reminding people that James Somerton was POINTEDLY BIPHOBIC. CANNOT thank you enough for it. the irony of people forgetting biphobia while dunking on James for his queer erasure is... sure a thing that's happening! Not here to dunk on those people forgetting, i'm sure it's not intentional, not worth infighting about when we've got the james somertons of the world to deal with, but... Bisexuals see and appreciate you for speaking up about it!
I am more than glad to fight the battle bcs ngl the Becky Albertalli thing was bad enough(tbh I'm still fucking mad about the way she got treated over Love, Simon) but just hearing him call Valkyrie a lesbian made me want to rip a building apart with my bare fucking hands. I could chew glass. And like I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt when I got to that part of Todd's video bcs I'm a fool and I get that he clearly does less than 0 research for anything but like I KNOW explicitly erasing her sexuality is a Choice He Made On Purpose bcs I fucking checked and every single article and fanwiki page and shit that I could find calls her bisexual. It is impossible to look up information about this character without her bisexuality coming up front and center. So either he stole from someone who did that on purpose(which is bad bcs stealing and also not fact-checking) or he did it on purpose bcs he has really fucking weird opinions about bisexual women. Maybe both!
Anyway, I am just one angry bisexual but I will not stop pointing this out bcs I know how tempting it is for the queer community to act like bi people are only hated for being gay lite or w/e and I'm not gonna sit by and let it keep happening. Biphobia, or like bigotry against multisexual people in general bcs pan and omni people are in the same boat as us here, is real and it's fucking insidious and we MUST combat it when we see it.
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stevenmeekslover · 9 months
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Little opinions on the main DPS boys (+Keating)
Absloutely not a fan of Cameron. He's silly, sure, but is he silly in a nice way? Just don't like something about his face, y'know?
Knox is different. He just didn't get bullied enough and honest to god I wanted to choke him when he kept chasing after Chris. He's a bastard but I honestly love him so much. Wanted him gone in all realness but loved him so much.
Don't really have any on Pitts, but love him to death. Like you go little dude, do whatever it is you do.
100% adore Charlie. He's a little bastard but he has my heart. Love this prick to death omg. He's so silly.
I love Todd sm. Where do I begin? The akwardness radiates off of him and I can't even begin to explain how much that makes me love him. "Kids I better not see at school this year: any"
Neil honestly has my heart. I relate to him sm and just wanted to give him the biggest hugs. Loved this lil dork so much.
I think it goes without saying that I LOVE Stephen. He's so silly and so geeky. I love him so so so much. Honestly, he could have 0 lines and I'd legit still swoon over him. He is one of my favorites by far. Loved this lil dork so so much, too.
Loved Mr. Keating. His teaching methods are a little weird but that's what makes him so great tbh.
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luvly-writer · 1 year
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“You are my sunshine”
Part 31: Wayne’s Night in
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Jason Todd x Latina! Reader
Social Media Au
Status: Finished
Warnings: none
Author’s note: Sorry for my lack of updates. My mental health got quite the kick in the ass and it’s been real shitty lately so my motivation has been literally -0. I have been thinking and sketching out some drafts for a Bruce X Latina! Reader and a Dick x Latina! reader but they aren’t fully thought out yet plus a few one shots. Like I said, lack of motivation has been a bitch cause of my mental health (thanks anxiety and university 😍) so here’s a filler chapter! Hope you enjoy!
Taglist: @lorosette @nanas-teatime @izukuisbaby @writing-for-the-hell-of-it @unofficial-jaytodd-wife @graywrites5567 @addictedtothefictionalworld @halleest @randobeetlehouse @prettyacademia00 @mxtokko
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kiragecko · 9 months
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Today, I'm swapping Robins (designing possible Reverse Robin AUs), focusing on the ages they'd be.
There are many many ways people can do this. I'm focusing on the word 'reverse', and using a math based, rather than vibe based process. This is because I LIKE math, not because anyone else should do things this way.
(Thanks, @xhaoticprince, for prompting me to finally post!)
First, the variables. I'm using:
Age the characters were when introduced
Current age
Age gaps between characters
Order characters were introduced
Time gaps between introductions (not real-world time, but a fake timeline I made myself.)
Whether a character started as Robin or not
Here's the canon data:
(Year 0: Bruce Wayne, 25 years old, becomes Batman. (In Year 15, he'll be 40))
Year 1: Dick Grayson, 12 years old, becomes Robin. (In Year 15, he'll be 26)
Year 3: Babs Gordon, 21 years old, becomes Batgirl. (In Year 15, she'll be 33)
Year 7: Jason Todd, 12 years old, becomes Robin. (In Year 15, he'll be 20)
Year 10: Tim Drake, 13 years old, becomes Robin. (In Year 15, he'll be 18)
Year 10: Stephanie Brown, 14 years old, becomes Spoiler. (In Year 15, she'll be 19)
Year 11: Cass Cain, 16 years old, becomes Batgirl. (In Year 15, she'll be 20)
Year 13: Damian Wayne, 9 years old, is introduced. (In Year 15, he'll be 11)
(Year 14: Damian becomes Robin. New Earth rebooted, which we're ignoring but I set a lot of my fic this year so I include it for easy math)
Year 15: Duke Thomas, 15 years old, becomes Signal.
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(Bruce is there as a control, I'm not swapping him.)
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There are a LOT of ways to swap this data!
I'm going to start with the three 'basic' options.
Flip based on Introduction Order:
(Year 0: Bruce Wayne, 25 years old, becomes Batman. (In Year 15, he'll be 40))
Year 1: Duke Thomas, 12 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 26)
Year 3: Damian Wayne , 21 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 33)
Year 7: Cass Cain, 12 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 20)
Year 10: Stephanie Brown, 13 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 18)
Year 10: Tim Drake, 14 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 19)
Year 11: Jason Todd, 16 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 20)
Year 13: Babs Gordon, 9 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 11)
(Year 14: New Earth rebooted)
Year 15: Dick Grayson, 15 years old.
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Flip based on Age Order:
(Year 0: Bruce Wayne, 25 years old, becomes Batman. (In Year 15, he'll be 40))
Year 1: Duke Thomas, 12 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 26)
Year 3: Damian Wayne , 21 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 33)
Year 7: Stephanie Brown, 12 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 20)
Year 10: Cass Cain, 13 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 18)
Year 10: Jason Todd, 14 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 19)
Year 11: Tim Drake, 16 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 20)
Year 13: Babs Gordon, 9 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 11)
(Year 14: New Earth rebooted)
Year 15: Dick Grayson, 15 years old.
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Swap based on a questionable system where the characters who 'started as Robin' (Dick, Jason, Tim, Damian) and 'didn't start as Robin' (Babs, Steph, Cass, Duke)* get flipped separately:
(Year 0: Bruce Wayne, 25 years old, becomes Batman. (In Year 15, he'll be 40))
Year 1: Damian Wayne, 12 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 26)
Year 3: Duke Thomas, 21 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 33)
Year 7: Tim Drake, 12 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 20)
Year 10: Jason Todd, 13 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 18)
Year 10: Cass Cain, 14 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 19)
Year 11: Stephanie Brown, 16 years old. (In Year 15, she'll be 20)
Year 13: Dick Grayson, 9 years old. (In Year 15, he'll be 11)
(Year 14: New Earth rebooted)
Year 15: Babs Gordon, 15 years old.
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Nice and simple. Characters get slotted into other character's spots, no math needed.
But there are other meanings of 'reverse.' We'll get into those in Part 2: Gecko Gets Silly.
*Steph doesn't get to be a Robin because when you reverse groups of odd numbers like 3 or 5, the centre stays in the same spot. I want everyone to get swapped!
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