Bruce's relationship with his male Rogues vs his female Rogues is. So interesting to me.
Because you have his Rogues like the Joker, who he has actual conflicts with—Bane, Scarecrow, Penguin, Two-Face, Black Mask. All the men have honest beef with him. Death traps, elaborate evil schemes, bombs (oh my God the BOMBS), murder attempts.
But the women? They're friends with him. All his female Rogues see him as an awkward annoyance at worst (Ivy), and boyfriend material at best (Selina). Harley's square in the middle as "weird little brother." They toe the line of chaotic and lean so dangerously close to vigilante so often that Bruce just. Lets them be. Gives perfunctory attempts to catch them, but most times it ends with them just talking.
I'm 95% sure they know he's Bruce Wayne but don't say anything out of courtesy.
Batman strikes fear in the hearts of men and only men, and I think that's honestly iconic of him
GOD YESSSSSS LIKE - It'd be redundant to add something to this; Like painting over Mona Lisa but I'll do my best because this is actually one of my favourite topics.
I feel like I could word this a lot better, but I just feel like men dehumanise eachother to a concerning amount. Not Bruce, - if anything, he's on some saint shit by trying to rehabilitate these guys. But it's more of a " I can fix him" dynamic that you just won't see with the sirens
It's like - I don't have evidence of this, it's more of a " call it like I see it" headcanon, but Bruce? Most definetly was bullied by guys before.
I can't really go into details, but Bruce has " guy who could hang with the girls and girls only in high school" energy.
It's kinda telling that he has a relatively positive relationship with women and inspires a sense of safety with them that I've seen no other male hero achieve, but he ALWAYS has beef with men. Truly an awkward women's ally icon
More so? I can honestly see Bruce and the sirens as that non-toxic middle aged friend group that went through hell and back together and their paths always merge into eachother
Like? Give me Bruce trying to stop them from a heist. He's tired and Selina can see it, eyes sharp, designed to see detail. " Wait. Have you been crying?"
Harley drops her hammer with a gasp. " Oh my God, have you?"
Bruce's arms drop limp at his side and he takes a very deep breath. " I fought with Harvey last night and he brought up my parents. "
" He didn't."
" Are you kidding me? Oh, he's SUCH an asshole," Pamela somehow always has a wine bottle ready and Selina's in charge to bring the glasses, because at least one of them will need to rant about male rogues. " Tell us everything, hon."
" It's just, - GOD, is it too much to ask? One thing, - one goddam thing I ask of him in two decades, don't bring up my dead parents when I punch you in the face! But no. "
" Let's key his car."
" I'm going to his parent's grave to steal their jewlery and I'll wear them next time we fight. "
" Oh my God, could you imagine what face he'd make?"
" Which one?"
It’s bisexual visibility day so shout out to all my favourite fictional bisexuals
DC Couples by Bruce Timm.
Canon Bisexual Characters
Eda Clawthorne from The Owl House (Mistakenly put her under Ambiguously Bi last year. The Season 1 episode "Wing It Like Witches" shows her to have a bisexual rainbow sticker on her box of cheats.)
Sasha Waybright from Amphibia (Confirmed in the series finale to be bisexual.)
Luz Noceda from The Owl House (Again, included her before, but given her relationship with Amity has been developed even further over the course of season 2, I'd get comments about her absence if I didn't include her. Again.)
Christopher Smith/Peacemaker from the DC Extended Universe (Revealed in episode 7 of Peacemaker to have slept with men, and was later confirmed to be bisexual by James Gunn.)
Valkyrie from the Marvel Cinematic Universe (While I included her before under Word of Gay, Thor: Love and Thunder has Valkyrie show attraction to both men and women at various points in the film.)
Catwoman from DC Comics (Portrayed as bisexual across various iterations, most recently in the Harley Quinn animated series and the live-action movie The Batman.)
Charlie Morningstar from Hazbin Hotel (Confirmed by the show's creator to be bi, and is in a relationship with a female demon. Included her before, but she has been renamed and redesigned since the pilot episode)
Kotone Shiomi from Persona 3 Portable (Has several optional male love interests, and can also pursue a relationship with Aigis and Elizabeth, as their interactions from Makoto's route are unchanged)
Stevi The Demon from The Upside Downs/Your Favorite Martian (Word of Gay confirmation via Instagram comments)
Happy Bisexual Visibility Day!
Lorena Carvahlo, Selina Kyle
Dick: So I took my meds but a feel like I’m off my meds.
Tim: You know, I have ADHD without the ADHD!
Tim: I have the symptoms but don’t actually have ADHD.
Dick: You know what that’s called?
Tim: I’m dyslexic. *starts laughing*
Dick: *laughs* Shut the fuck up Tim.
Day 5 of drawing Latinx comic book characters during Hispanic Heritage Month
Screw it here's the rogue's favourite ice cream flavours
Edward like pistachio and everyone bullies him for it
Harley is definitely a bubblegum gal, no doubt about it
Harvey likes vanilla and Harv like strawberry so they settle on Neopolitan without the chocolate
Jonathan being the caffeine addict he is has coffee
Ivy exclusively likes cherry sorbet and nobody ever questions it
Jervis is a Mint chocolate chip enjoyer
Selina has cookie dough and has a habit of scooping out the cookie dough bits from the ice cream and making one big cookie with the whole thing
Oswald likes Cookies and Cream but only buys the really expensive kind
Freeze likes vanilla, that man is basic as hell/lh
Bane loves a good dark chocolate
Joker just combines as many flavours as possible for ultimate chaos
Harley Quinn 30th Anniversary Special #1 - "Submissive" (2022)
by Stjepan Sejic
DAVID MAZOUZ & CAMREN BICONDOVA as Bruce Wayne & Selina Kyle
↳ 2.15 Mad Grey Dawn
Selina is my favourite DC character and I still can't explain why Tom King's version of her BOTHERS me. Can't put my finger on it. I appreciate him giving me more of her, I won't lie... I just wish she was... a bit different...
...Mayhaps the dialogue is a part of it?
[sigh] I have a complicated relationship with King's writing. He's got concepts I find very interesting, and he clearly puts a lot of thought into his stories, which I've had a lot of fun analyzing. But his execution leaves to be desired more often than not. Wish he had a better editor, who could catch the fact he makes most characters sound too similar... both in internal narration and in the dialogue of multiple characters, King has a favorite pattern that goes "I establish this fact exists. I exist, I manifest, I come into being." Statement X, then repetition of it with various rephrasing, exactly like in the panel above. Once you notice it, it becomes quite grating. Then there's the overuse of poetry excerpts or songs for "deep" reasons, which again, an editor could've toned down a bit, but alas.
With King's portrayal of Selina, you can tell he wants to write a Smart Independent Woman Who Needs No Man. He wants her to come across as Feminist and Empowered, but he doesn't quite know how to do this kind of character justice; how to show it, and not tell it. He makes Selina say stuff like the above, proclaim that she doesn't want to let men control her or tame her, but he doesn't really manage to explore that in more depth through her actions. Or, he veers into the extreme with showing it, like with Selina fighting and jumping around on rooftops while obviously far along in her pregnancy, or her chopping up Joker's corpse into bits and then decorating a Christmas tree with it (examples from Batman/Catwoman, like the panel above). Obviously this is just my personal opinion, but I hope this helps in figuring out what bothers you about Selina's portrayal.
Tbh, I have similar problems with King's depiction of Bruce, and many other characters he writes. In his stories, characters are often the vehicles of a concept; furniture in a room. They don't manage to feel like separate real people, but rather cogs in the machine that is the narrative. Which is why they can come across as hollow, and when you read their dialogue you hear the writer, rather than them... if that makes any sense.
Most of Bruce Wayne’s love interests are pretty cool, independent characters when they are being written well, with unique personalities and motives. However, they all share the same tragic character flaw: Finding Bruce Wayne/Batman hot.
Jenny Frison, Catwoman(s), “MEOW”