Jason Todd IS a minority,it's just that his solo stans are painfully not intersectionalist and fail to realize he's not 'female-coded',he's poor and mentally ill and classism and ableism exist so he gets hit with both a lot both in-universe and in a meta sense.He dosen't get treated like a woman,he gets treated like a lower class disabled man LMFAO

Don’t mind me, I’m just here pushing the aroace Jason Todd agenda

Jason having a thing for Wonder Woman but really he just thinks she’s cool and that’s how crushes work (HE IS A DIANA STAN)

Him thinking he has feelings for Roy at some point but then actually being weirded out by the thought cause why would he be in love with Roy (the feeling was friendship)

To be fair I think he thought he had a crush on every single one of his friends at some point

He doesn’t know he’s attractive, like he genuinely HAS NO IDEA that people are attracted to him and he’s always confused ???

He’s always giving romantic advice to his siblings cause he doesn’t understand what’s up with the drama?

definitely had a fake girlfriend at some point just to feel included when talking to Dick

And since he was a very bad liar, naturally, they thought he was gay (as most aro/ace people experience)

I don’t think he labels himself tho I feel like he’s just who he is and that’s ok

I love my babybird Jay ok?

you are all now forced to engage in my highly self-indulgent aroace batfam icons

I love what you’re saying about Jason being ace, but I think it’s important to establish that he’s ace BEFORE he dies. Otherwise it could come off as ‘he came back broken/incomplete/inhuman” and reinforces problematic ideas about the ace community

Oh no absolutely for sure!!! I've spoken about this before but I definitely think that there's textual evidence for Jason being ace as Robin - I haven't read his robin run (yet), but I've seen panels where he basically goes ew gross at mentions of sex and adult relationships. More importantly, however, is that I believe that for Jason his experience with asexuality is just... Disinterest. He's not sex negative, he's had sex canonically, but it's something he doesn't think about actively, cause he's got other shit to do - and you CAN arguably see that in his robin era, where unlike say dick having a crush on Babs or dating Kori in teen titans, and Tim's ridiculous manwhore behavior, Jason just isn't preoccupied with that kinda thing. Mostly he reads, goes to museums, does his homework, and fights crimes. It just doesn't come up, and I feel like that causal rejection of sexuality as a whole is something we dong see in ace rep often. Anyway ace Jason ftw

Why the fuck have i seen people tagging this meme as Jason Todd.Not the priest part,that one's canon in Flashpoint,the slut part.He's had literally two girlfriends and slept with neither and has expressed a severe disinterest/aversion to romance multiple times.That dosen't count as a slut,he's literally just hot and y'all are horny over his aspec ass

To anyone who says the canonical proof/evidence for Jason Todd being aro/ace could also be interpreted as gay, you have a point BUT!!! Not being attracted to woman isn’t selectively a gay trait, the best evidence/proof you can get of gay Jason is if he actively shows attraction to men.

Jaykyle this, eddiejayrose that. (No hate to those ships obvi) where’s my aroace Jason love hm? That man has never fucked and has no desire to. He has been given opportunities and he has not taken them. A schoolmate asked him on a date before he died and he reeled back like “EXCUSE ME?” Someone asked if he wanted to hook up and he short circuited. These things are not canon but they are true in my heart

Jason: I'm a raging assexual. It does not mean the same as a raging homossexual *points to Kate* or bissexual *points to Tim*. It actually means I'm assexual and full of rage.

[And that is how Jason comes out as aroace to the batfamily. Damian comes out by saying "same" ]

To be honest I can’t much get behind anything other than aroace Jason. Not only because every romance I’ve seen for him has felt forced and boring to me (and sometimes straight up creepy) but also to me it makes more sense for him and is way more interesting. Instead of romance let him have intricate plots, rock music, the ability to be annoy everyone, and books. Every time he mentioned liking someone to Bruce in high school he was straight up lying.

Post-Flashpoint comics have been trying to push the idea of Jason as a ladies man and each time I have just not been convinced I say this with all the love in my heart I will concede to the fact that Jason Todd has had sex maybe 3 times. If I’m being generous

Idk who needs to hear this today but Jason Todd would never date a coquette

it’s time for a life-changing roadtrip i guess

[ID: A full body drawing of Jason Todd and Roy Harper from DC Comics. They are sitting on the top of a red van, talking to each other. Jason has dark hair with white stripes at the front, and is wearing a grey T-shirt saying “I’m a Jersey Girl. 1. Dirty mind, 2. Caring friend, 3. Potty mouth, 4. Good heart, 5. Smart ass, 6. Kind soul, 7. Sinner, 8. Thick thighs. I never said I was perfect”. He’s also wearing black pants, and brown combat boots. He has scars on his face, neck and arms. He’s wearing black nail polish and simple black bracelets. He has a hearing aid in his right ear. He is gesturing at Roy with one hand, and holding a Sprite can in the other. There’s an open book on his lap. He looks like he’s complaining. Roy has ginger hair, and is wearing a green trucker hat backwards on his head. He’s wearing a white tank top with a yellow arrow pointing up on it, blue jeans, and black and white sneakers. He has brown archer gloves on both hands, and has a grey prosthetic right arm. He's holding a coke can in one hand, and pointing a finger gun at Jason with his left. He's sitting on a green pillow. He’s smiling. The van they’re on has blue curtains at it’s windows, and has its door open. In the van there’s a table with a map, an arrow, some tools and a few screws on it. Under the table, there’s a box with soft drinks and snacks. There’s a sofa on each side of the table. The red hood helmet is on the left sofa, and there’s a purple blanket with the spoiler symbol and a yellow pillow with the signal symbol on the right sofa. On the wall of the van, a brown jacket and a black trucker hat is hanging on the left side. There are pictures hanging on the right side, depicting Roy’s daughter Lian, and members of the batfamily in a simplistic style. A sunset over the sea can be seen through the side window of the van. End ID.]

I'm an Aro/Ace Jason Todd truther, but I do like the idea of JayKyle, but then I thought of something funnier. It's just one sided on Kyle's side. Like we all know their interactions in "the final countdown" are like Kyle: Fuck you! Jason: pft, I'd like to see you try and like, in the end both of them ended up not hating each other, and Jason doesn't really have a lot of friends because he's someone who pushes people away, but Kyle just keeps coming back. And Kyle doesn't know why he keeps hanging out with this dude, until he sees Jason interacting with a kid one day, and it hits him like a bus that he likes Jason. (Jason's lowkey just happy to have a friend but keeps waiting for the other foot to drop) But they evolve into a banter-y friendship, that borderlines flirting, and like, Jason probably treats him how he treats Tim or Dick (acting all grumbly but doesn't actually push them away) because that's just Jason, while Kyle drops hints, but it keeps flying way over Jason's head. Kyle, takes Jason to a fish planet (romaticaly) Jason: Kyle look! This one looks just like you (It's the ugliest fish you've ever seen)

Jason, helping Kyle with an injury Kyle: You know what would make me feel better? A kiss Jason, reaches into his pocket: I only have m&ms, deal with it Kyle, just just after Jason made him dinner: I love you Jason, who probably hasn't heard someone tell him that they love him since his mom died: You're a fucking sap. But I love you too Kyle: :D Jason: BroTM Kyle: :(

and then one day, he's at the watchtower or something, complaining to someone about how Jason just won't take the hint, and Nightwing walks by and is like, "You... you are aware that Jason's Aro/Ace, right? He's only ever been in love with three things, and that's books, cooking, and explosions." and Kyle goes out to space and doesn't return for a year.

My boyfriend and I were talking about how each of the batfam make a good allegory for different queer orientations so y'all getting the list <3

Bruce: closeted homosexuality, despite the skin tight leather I actually did wind out settling on the idea that Batman is the het masking and Bruce is the true queer self

Dick: out/open homosexuality

Cass: aromantic allosexuality or transgender

Jason: demisexuality

Tim: bisexuality

Steph: pansexuality

Damian: aromantic asexuality

Duke: heteroromantic asexuality

Note this does NOT equate to my actual headcanons for their orientations, that's in the tags, it's about the way I associate their stories with the way people see and/or experience different queer/lgbt+ orientations. Reblog with your own thoughts on how you think their stories could be allegories for diff queer identities if you want! If you're cooler than me you could put some reasonings, instead of just the horrifying realization that they might've been right when they said Batman was the hetero to Bruce's homo

👀 I would love to hear more about aroace Jason

so there's actually a nice amount of canon evidence for this, most of which was not intended to be canon evidence for this. I saw many of these panels on tiktok originally and unfortunately many of them have been deleted, but at least one that I have bookmarked is still up by user goodusername28 so you can go check that out.

anyway, to sum up, robin!jason is a precious baby who was written to be simply too innocent to understand why people want romantic relationships, but also he was fourteen/fifteen at the time which when many people (including myself!) get in their first relationships and even fall in love for the first time, and him expressing disgust at Bruce being in a romantic relationship can also easily be read as him not being able to understand or relate to wanting to have a relationship at all.

when it comes to adult!jason, honestly he hasn't really had the time to date that much, but the few relationships that they do try to give him all seem to crash and burn really quickly and he never seems to me to be that invested, or the relationships even happen entirely off screen (apparently after they've hooked him up with rose wilson in a couple of elseworlds stories {there's one where they're married I think??}, they decided to mention that he and rose "used to date" in canon. when tho. literally when. he don't got the time!). in n52 rhato he simply does not catch onto the fact that a stereotypically hot flight attendant is hitting on him and once they do go on a date seems honestly surprised that she'd want to kiss him. canonically they do fuck, but a. acearo people still have sex b. scott lobdell can't write, so I take what I want from his shitty writing and leave the best behind. they also repeat the whole jason being weird about consenting adults being in relationships around him sometimes as an adult, which is just hilarious cause they also insist on writing him as someone who fucks. pick a struggle, dude.

canonically the first time jason has sex is with talia shortly before he returns to gotham, and when you read the issue it's just. honestly, he doesn't express any attraction to her and I don't understand why he slept with her and it makes their already weird relationship basically incoherent, which is why so many fics ignore it happening altogether. but when it comes to my headcanon, if I choose to acknowledge that was a thing that went to print? it was about comfort. like, she is the only thing that's really familiar and safe for him right that moment, and if she comes onto him and you choose not to interpret that as an assault, it's gotta be that he accepts for that reason. and that's not desire.

there is more evidence, some specific panel stuff, but like obviously this is an interpretation that dances around canon. dc comics does not want us to think that jason is aroace. jason is a hot anti-hero, obviously he fucks. except like. he really doesn't. he's so fucking bad at relationships. he does not have any steady romantic interests. except for damian, who's still a literal child (and even then still has had a romantic interest in teen titans apparently), he's simply had the least romantic plotlines of all the robins (tim and steph count for each other, for one, plus after this week's issue of batgirls you can basically count stephcass as canon, dick has had numerous love interests with the most notable ones being babs and kory, obviously, and tim is the actual slut of the family, like dude really gets around).

and honestly I just like it? like I think it vibes with his character very well. if I'm writing him, I'm probably either writing him as demi or as aroace, depends on the story I'm telling. I have yet to come across a bad a-spec!jason fic (I've already rec'd all the ones I have tho, so go ahead and make new ones I'd fucking love that). it's just a solid headcanon.

to go into more detail about my specific headcanon, in my mind jason really hasn't had the chance to figure out that he is ace. I don't think he's even had the chance to figure out he has "equal attraction" to both genders. like my guy's been through a lot. he was a teenager and then he exploded and then he came back to life and was cutting heads off people and then he was a villain for a bit and then his dad died and then his dad wasn't dead and then reality got rewritten and he was a part of this team and then he was part of batman incorporated and then another team and also his brother died but it turned out his brother wasn't really dead and then his other brother died and this brother really was dead but he was brought to life by his dad and then his dad had amnesia and there was -

okay so basically what I'm saying is I don't know how anybody in the batfam has time for a romantic life, but certainly jason has not had the time or emotional space to figure out he does not want one. I don't think he looks at other people and wonders why he's not in a relationship, he's too busy being a crime lord and/or having daddy issues. like if he's going to be looking at strangers and longing for what they have it's like, a superficially happy and loving father/son relationship. he wants very much to belong and to be loved. but both canonically and in my own headcanon, he's not particularly motivated by romantic love.

anyway so yeah acearo jason fucks. or wait, no, that's -

I wouldn't really consider myself an 'aspec Jason Todd truther'.I think if you think Jason Todd is on the aro and ace spectrums,you're just normal