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fanfic-lover-girl · 2 months
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Taking Gryffindors and Their Stans to Court
So I thought it would be fun to compile a list of crimes committed by various Gryffindor characters, especially the ones I have seen stans blatantly glorify or condone. This is also fueled by the narrative ignoring how horrific these actions are as well. For each, I will provide the definition of the crime as listed in British law (hyperlink provided in the crime category), cite the guilty parties and cite some of the flimsy defences provided by stans. The characters include, but are not limited to:
Hermione Granger
Weasley twins
Marauders (especially James Potter and Sirius Black)
Rubeus Hagrid
Professor McGonagall
This post will be a work in progress so I will add as I go along. Please feel free to add as well. Also, I am not a legal expert so do not expect these categories to be 100% accurate despite my doing my best. Here I go!
Crime: Sexual Harassment
The Equality Act 2010 says someone sexually harasses another person if they:
Engage in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature and
The conduct has the purpose or effect of either violating the other person’s dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for them.
Guilty parties: James Potter and other marauders as accomplices (Snape's Worst Memory, Book 5)
But too late; Snape had directed his wand straight at James; there was a flash of light and a gash appeared on the side of James’s face, spattering his robes with blood. James whirled about: a second flash of light later, Snape was hanging upside-down in the air, his robes falling over his head to reveal skinny, pallid legs and a pair of greying underpants. Many people in the small crowd cheered; Sirius, James and Wormtail roared with laughter.
There was another flash of light, and Snape was once again hanging upside-down in the air. ‘Who wants to see me take off Snivelly’s pants?’
Said by Marauder/James stans:
Snape was a future DE so he deserved it; ie. future criminals/bullies deserve to be bullied before they commit said crime. Someone had to bully Snape.
What James did was not sexual harassment
Snape is a guy so he can't be sexually harassed
I hate Snape so I love seeing him hurt and in pain (perfectly valid reason, we can hate who we want. still listing it though)
Boys will be boys. The marauders are just teenage boys joking around.
In that period, what James did was not illegal
Snape called Lily a mudblood so he deserved it
Snape attacked James so he deserved it
Crime: Kidnapping
The legal definition of kidnapping is to take someone unwillingly and then keep them illegally imprisoned without their valid consent. The latter is normally done with motive, such as financial gain in the form of a ransom.
Guilty parties: Hermione Granger (The Beginning, Book 4)
‘Oh, not electronic bugs,’ said Hermione. ‘No, you see … Rita Skeeter’ – Hermione’s voice trembled with quiet triumph – ‘is an unregistered Animagus. She can turn –’ Hermione pulled a small sealed glass jar out of her bag. ‘– into a beetle.’
Said by Hermione stans:
Rita deserved it for being a sleazy journalist and saying mean things about her and her friends
Rita deserved it by committing a crime first as an illegal animagus. So she has no leverage against Hermione.
Crime: Child Cruelty (Or Child Endangerment/Abuse)
The offence in section 1 of the 1933 Act is committed where a person over the age of 16, who has responsibility for a child under that age, wilfully assaults, illtreats, neglects, abandons, or exposes that child in a manner likely to cause ‘unnecessary suffering or injury to health including any mental derangement’.
Guilty parties: Prof Minerva McGonagall (Snape’s Grudge, Book 3)
Professor McGonagall was so furious with him she had banned him from all future Hogsmeade visits, given him a detention and forbidden anyone to give him the password into the Tower. Poor Neville was forced to wait outside the common room every night for somebody to let him in . . .
Context: An alleged mass murderer (Sirius Black) was on the loose 🫠
Said by McGonagall stans:
She's just strict
Crime: Assault
An assault is any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence.
Guilty parties:
Rubeus Hagrid (The Keeper of the Keys, Book 1)
He brought the umbrella swishing down through the air to point at Dudley — there was a flash of violet light, a sound like a firecracker, a sharp squeal and next second, Dudley was dancing on the spot with his hands clasped over his fat bottom, howling in pain. When he turned his back on them, Harry saw a curly pig’s tail poking through a hole in his trousers. ... ‘Oh, well — I was at Hogwarts meself but I — er — got expelled, ter tell yeh the truth. In me third year. They snapped me wand in half an’ everything.’
Fred & George Weasley (Back to the Burrow, Book 4 & Snape's Worst Memory, Grawp;Book 5) - two for the price of one lol
Dudley was no longer standing behind his parents. He was kneeling beside the coffee table, and he was gagging and spluttering on a foot-long, purple, slimy thing that was protruding from his mouth. One bewildered second later, Harry realised that the foot-long thing was Dudley’s tongue — and that a brightly coloured toffee-wrapper lay on the floor before him.
‘Yeah, Montague tried to do us during break,’ said George. ‘What do you mean, “tried”?’ said Ron quickly. ‘He never managed to get all the words out,’ said Fred, ‘due to the fact that we forced him head-first into that Vanishing Cabinet on the first floor.’ ‘Not until Montague reappears, and that could take weeks, I dunno where we sent him,’ said Fred coolly. ‘Anyway … we’ve decided we don’t care about getting into trouble any more.’
To cap matters, Montague had still not recovered from his sojourn in the toilet; he remained confused and disorientated and his parents were to be observed one Tuesday morning striding up the front drive, looking extremely angry.
Hermione Granger (Felix Felicis, Book 6)
‘Oppugno!’ came a shriek from the doorway. Harry spun round to see Hermione pointing her wand at Ron, her expression wild: the little flock of birds was speeding like a hail of fat golden bullets towards Ron, who yelped and covered his face with his hands, but the birds attacked, pecking and clawing at every bit of flesh they could reach.
Said by Hagrid stans:
Like with Minerva, I don't see Hagrid stans or regular fans bringing this up. But crimes against the Dursleys are usually justified by the fandom due to their being abusive to Harry.
Said by Weasley twins stans:
The Dursleys were abusive to Harry so Dudley deserved it.
Dudley brought it on himself by eating it. The twins did not force him to eat it.
It was just a joke - harmless fun (for both crimes)
They did not know what the cabinet would do
They did not intend to almost kill Montague
Montague deserved it because HE WAS TAKING HOUSE POINTS (***INSERT RAGE!!!!***)
The twins are just mischievous. They are so funny!
Said by Hermione/Romione stans:
It was just a mistake
Hermione has anger issues. She's just a teenage girl.
Hermione was distraught. She didn't mean it.
Ron deserved it for hurting queen Hermione.
Ron doesn't care so why do you?
Romione is the best HP ship ever. All ships have rough patches.
No matter what Hermione does, I will always ship her with Ron. The other options are not good for her.
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I will pause here because I can feel my blood pressure rising. I don't really have beef with anyone, I just don't like seeing these takes on my dash or these responses on my anti blog posts. I have no control over people's opinions and I doubt more than a handful of people care about mine.
Will continue next time on Taking Gryffindors and Their Stans to Court!
PS. All attempts to deflect by pointing the finger at other characters like Draco Malfoy, DEs, Severus Snape etc will be ignored. This is about JKR's darlings who apparently can do no wrong and the stans who shamelessly justify violence.
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kahran042 · 3 months
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TV Tropes Rant Chireiden ~ Subterranean Animism
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Or maybe Lily really shouldn't have hung out with the bullies and Jerk Jocks in Gryffindork.
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wizardemotions · 2 months
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pinterest showed me some screenshots of posts that gave me the concept for an au where both harry and ron are sorted slytherin & draco is just slightly less rude in the first book. i could go into why i think this makes a lot of sense for ron but i won't. i've affectionately dubbed them the platinum quartet in my head and they will not leave me the fuck alone
#quill to paper#draco malfoy#harry potter#ron weasley#hermione granger#romione#drarry#slytherin harry#slytherin ron#golden trio#platinum quartet#actually i'll go into why it makes sense for ron here in the tags.#imho a major slytherin trait is ambition#and ron *has* ambition he's just never had it actively encouraged and fostered#book fucking one the mirror of erised shows him winning the quidditch cup & being head boy and all#he HAS ambition! and by god does he have something to *prove*#youngest weasley boy who desperately wants to do something different from his family#not get lumped in as 'just another weasley'#he's the anti-sirius in this context tbqh. old pureblood family of gryffindors and he's plastering his room at the burrow w green and silver#in my head draco is also in the train compartment when ron walks in and asks to sit there & harry speaks first so draco shuts up#a little tense but draco also relaxes a little bit. he's ELEVEN he just wants FRIENDS.#ron watches the boys he sat with on the train both get sorted slytherin and has just the biggest burning desire an 11 yr old can have#to get into slytherin instead of gryffindor. to do something different from his other siblings at the gryff table. to Prove Something#the hats like 'ohh. a weasley huh. but so much to prove... there's real ambition#and the potential for cunning... slytherin? alright#good luck! slytherin it is!'#and draco's smug little ass is like 'i suppose there's hope for the weasleys yet if they can turn out a slytherin#and ron is psyched out of his eleven year old gourd bc harry fucking potter is grinning and clapping for him#and also because percy n the twins look SHOCKED AS FUCK as do half the profs#snape is over at the table realizing w complete clarity that he's going to be put thru the ringer as slyth head of house these next 7 yrs
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radiohead-spiderman · 3 months
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Current day Wolfstar(let me preface this by saying, you should take liberties when it comes to these character, JKR sucks, these are just my gripes with how the fandom currently perceives these two)
Aka I’m annoyed so I’m making it everyone else’s problem. The “stupid feminine Sirius who’s 5’4 and who’s oh so much uglier than Remus, and he’s basically just a charity case!” STOP IT, stop it stop it, stop it. I have zero problem with feminine Sirius, go wild, my problem is with relating femininity to weakness and stupidity.
Also, I am so, SO sick of “big alpha 6’5 hot Gryffindor Casanova Remus Lupin”, not only does it not make sense, it’s annoying, and it reinforces gender roles. Remus Lupin spent his whole life being told he was basically a big scary monster, who can’t be around other children, HOW do you think he would react to being perceived as this big angry asshole with no regard for the people around him?
ALSO, Remus Lupin was NOT drop dead gorgeous, I’m sorry to say, he was not the hottest guy around(that is still my darling man and I will not tolerate anything against my darling man), he was a scrawny werewolf with scars, and premature lines and shabby clothing, if anything, he looked like an anemic average British man in the seventies, if not below average.
Sirius was literally “Hogwarts’ pretty boy”. I’m not saying this to make Remus seem like a charity case, because, wolfstar is pointless when you make one the “man” or “woman”, or “hot” and “ugly”, i’m saying this because Casanova Remus Lupin annoys me, if ANYONE was “Casanova of Gryffindor Tower” it was Sirius Black. (I also think people forget the negative connotation with the term “Casanova”, which is sometimes annoying to see when talking about Remus, or Sirius)
Also, I could talk about how canonically, Sirius was the tallest marauder, or how a huge part of his character was HOW hot he was, I could talk about how he was hotter than Regulus, i COULD talk about how Remus wasn’t the smartest marauder, I could talk about how Sirius is canonically an overly clever wizard, I could talk about how if anyone is aggressive between the two, it was Sirius, but, I don’t think I will, because that will seem like I’m trying to push Sirius being the “aggressive man” of the two, and Remus being the “ugly woman” of the two, and I don’t believe that,
Wolfstar has now become just a way to reinforce gender roles on two characters, and that’s gross, making Remus the smart aggressive “man” of the relationship, and Sirius the stupid small “woman” of the relationship, is just gross dude.
Wolfstar doesn’t HAVE to fall into gender norms, that’s not necessary, neither of them HAVE to be the “man” or “woman”, that’s NOT necessary.
Remus being a funky looking guy, while Sirius is a hot nepo baby, is so beautiful, and it makes their relationship so much more interesting than “man aggressive and hot” and “woman ugly but pretty and pathetic”.
Anyways, let Remus be a skrunkly little man, and let Sirius be hot, also STOP ASSIGNING GENDER ROLES TO THEM OH MY GOOOOOD DHFBFJDJCJ
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severussnapemylove · 6 months
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Thinking about how the one protected place Severus could go where the Marauders couldn't reach him was the Slytherin dorms. The one safe place he has ever known in his life, was Slytherin. Imagine what that must have felt like for a teenage kid, who has had nothing by danger and suffering in his life. And he finally finds one place in the world where he's not only safe, but might be appreciated for what he's good at and find a place to belong, a strength of identity. These are powerful draws for a child, especially one as vulnerable and alone as Severus. (Unfortunately, this also put him in the path of the junior death eaters) But for better or worse ultimately Slytherin was the best home he ever had. It's no wonder he has preference and protectiveness over this House. It's his. His home as a child then his to watch over as an adult.
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novemberwasgrey · 8 months
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Let's be clear on something
Wednesday AND Xavier are Slytherins.
Proud misunderstood artists who want to be recognized for their true worth and something other than their family's reputation (Wednesday doesn't want to be in Morticia's shadow and Xavier doesn't want to be associated to his famous dad).
Tyler is not a Slytherin just because he's a monster. At best, he's a Gryffindor gone bad like Peter Pettigrew.
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merlinsleftit · 2 months
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needed to be said.
y'all know what's ironic? that some of u always try to hide the fact y'all hate female characters by saying "i don't straight ships". if y'all like gay ships sm then why don't the f|f ships have the same hype as m|m ships. i'll tell y'all why, its bcs y'all are weirdly jealous over the fact that your fav character has a female love interest so y'all ship your fav character with some random male character with the stupid thought "if i cant have him, no one can" bitch he's literally frictional like how childish and stupid can y'all be? it's embarrassing that y'all have to ship them w some random characters to hide your jealousy and yk what's even more ironic? that most of these ships are created by women themselves. its sickening how some of u say "im a girl's girl" but fails to do so when it comes to a character? never seen the same thing with characters like hagrid, arthur, ron(except self insert), lucius, neville etc and that's bcs y'all don't "supposedly" find them attractive as a character. how hypocritical!! lol
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ponochino · 10 months
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i have many issues with the Harry Potter books/movies but one of them is Peter Pettigrew' character. Like JKR made the only Gryffindor antagonist be ugly and fat (even pre animagus) and implied that the sorting hat made a mistake putting him in Gryffindor by making him a hatstall and a coward.
Like Peter should have been such an interesting character since he was the main antagonist that's not Slytherin and he betrayed all his friends but instead he is boring and makes no sense.
So what if instead of fear it were some of his Gryffindor traits that pushed him to the dark, like he actually believed in Voldemort's cause and so by joining him he actually saw himself as being brave or being a hero and he was too stubborn, reckless, and prideful to consider other ways. And yes, you'd need a backstory on why Peter came to the conclusion Voldemort is right, but it would be way more interesting and scarier and more tragic.
Instead of poor foolish Peter being too scared to say no to Voldemort you get cunning Peter choosing Voldemort over his friends.
TLDR: Peter Pettigrew should never have been portrayed as weak and foolish and cowardly because it diminishes the tragedy of his betrayal and undermines the fact that he was a Gryffindor.
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urthewolftomystar · 10 months
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James, to regulus: I hope your day rocks!
James, turning to severus: as for you, I hope your day sucks 😉
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not-rab · 1 year
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but what would u guys say if i said mario movie x marauders fic?
(official fic idea #12 i think??)
mary is mario, lily is peach, snape is bowser, remus is luigi ????
yk yk hypothetically ofc ;)
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fanfic-lover-girl · 2 months
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What do you think is the worst case of hypocritism in Harry Potter.
I just realized how many inbox messages I have. Gosh, I need to address those...
It's hard to choose but if I had to choose:
In the story itself
The morality of an action depends on who the character is. The purebloods like the Malfoys and Blacks are bigots for scorning mudbloods but it's A-ok for the Gryffindor characters to discriminate against and endanger muggles and magical creatures. If Draco disrespects Hagrid it's a sin, but when Hermione disrespects Trelawney she's a girlboss. Draco objectively and simply points out that Molly is fat in a relatively mild Yo Mama joke and it's framed as bullying (no complaints there). But Harry describes how obese Dudley is in excruciating and needless detail, it's funny. This is the same Harry who regularly compares people to animals when he describes appearances. Draco bullies Neville - it's wrong (as it should be). Harry and co. bully and degrade Neville - it's funny and ok. There are many more examples. JKR is a disgusting and mean-spirited writer. I have several 'Double Standards' posts because of this.
In HP fandom
This extends to how HP fandom views certain fans. In particular, some Hermione, Romione and other Gryfindor stans will sneer and condescend to you if you happen to like characters like Draco and other Slytherins like the Death eaters. And if you criticize their darlings, they discredit your criticisms because you like the 'morally questionable' antagonist. It's hilarious how these people refuse to admit that THEIR characters are morally questionabletoo. Almost every HP character is morally questionable. They act as if the golden trio and the other Gryffindor characters are heroes who are justified in all their crappy actions. I have seen a disgusting Hermione stan (whom I blocked) condone and justify Hermione kidnapping and imprisoning Rita, erasing her parents' memory, attacking Ron with canaries and scarring Marietta for life. If stans like that don't outright say Hermione was right, they downplay it by saying she's a young girl and/or she had no choice. They say the criticism is overblown. Yet, they have no issue overblowing the actions of the unlikable characters like Draco and Rita. For example, they act as if Draco calling Hermione 'mudblood' is such a devasting crime. When wonder witch herself could care less about Draco's stale taunts. And Hermione being muggleborne has little impact on her for the most part. Total hypocrisy.
Honestly, I would like JKR's 'good' characters more if not for these atrocious double standards in the fandom and the narrative. But it's fine, I'll just enjoy my HP babies like Neville and Draco in my corner.
As much as I feel sorry for the hate JKR gets, I can say that she is partially to blame. She taught an entire generation of kids to believe they have the right to violence if they think they are the heroes in their story. And that their opponents are subhuman if they don't share their views. I hope Joanne realizes that one day.
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theblacklakesiren · 2 years
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Please reblog if you feel the same. Many people seem to think snape awarded points biasedly all the time when that is NOT the case at all.
Going to rewatch all the HP movies in honor of Robbie Coltrane.
As an adult I definitely view many things differently than I did as a kid. Especially since I read the books which I'm also rereading.
In the first film, I hate this scene. Especially as someone who loves kids and has been a teacher. People aways say its fine because Snape favored his house (someone has to since Slytherin is so hated) and they think Slytherin is always cheating, but at least in the books, if you look at the actual facts, Snape doesn't award a single house point in the series EVEN for Slytherin and takes a total of about 270 in ALL of the 6 school years that we see. 12 in PS/SS. In PS/SS, McGonagall took 150 points from her own house and 20 from Slytherin. If anything the other teachers take more points than Snape throughout the series. Also, according to one of JK Rowlings interviews Snape also took the most points away from his own house. And the mostly minor point deductions he did to Gryffindor were hardly game changing, for every Gryffindor point he deducted for whatever reason was most probably regained that same day by another student. And we never really see the Professors awarding Slytherin many points like they do to Gryffindor. And since Snape doesn't award points even to Slytherin, we can assume they are fairly earning the ones they won since its other unbiased professors who are awarding them points. They were winning the House Cup for many years straight for a reason and only began losing after Harry entered the fold in which he continuously gets extra points and unfairly so.
But what I hate the most about this scene is not only did Dumbledore let Slytherins believe they had won, but he let them celebrate their apparent victory, complete with decorations that he put up. He sat there knowing he was going to wait until literally the last moment to pull the rug out from under them. Dumbledore pretty much just dropped massive loads of points on Gryffindor when it was impossible for anyone to gain anymore.
Slytherin rightfully won. It was unfair for Dumbledore to award points for a school competition knowing that the points he was awarding had nothing to do with the school or the rest of the students. He knew that no other students had the opportunity that Harry and his friends had. He knew that only Harry really could have gone up against Voldemort as he's the child of prophecy. Awarding them points was straight up cheating. And unfair to the rest of the children. Harry may have helped save the Wizarding world, but he broke school rules to do it (which is fine) but under normal circumstances a different student would have had points deducted for breaking those same rules and from a school competition standpoint he shouldn't be awarded for something that has nothing to do with the school and it's competition. He can be rewarded in a different way that doesn't involve house points and the end of year house competition. Slytherin shouldn't have lost. Dumbledore calculated the exact points needed for them to win on purpose.
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evilghoblin · 1 year
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JK ROWLING PLAGIARISM
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I remember this case and thinkin it was stupid. I saw post about this in tumblr years and years ago (2013?).
This aithor has accused rowling of plagiarism ages ago. This book came out 1974. There was a movie about this in 1986. A tv series in 1998-2001.
First Harry potter was published 1997.
Take a look at these and judge for yourself. To me there is awful lot of similarities
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Imagine if in 1st year, after watching Sirius be brotherly to James and slowly ignore him, Regulus prayed for the universe to send him a friend.
It didn’t work
So Regulus did the only thing he could think of. He summoned a demon to befriend.
And in came Barty Crouch Jr - a young one messing with his father’s summoning portal.
(And obviously since he would be a Slytherin, Dumbledore never noticed cuz he never cared about Slytherins.)
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teaforthotxxx · 11 months
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My marauders post-hogwarts career HC is:
(Gryffindor Edition)
James becomes a professional quidditch player. He’s a legend at Hogwarts and almost every student (YES! Even slytherins because he’s married to one) absolutely adores him. He still comes back to Hogwarts every once in a while just to scout for prospective recruits (and check up on his family) and hosts a quidditch mini-league every year. He loves to shout out his friends and his son (Harry hates this because he gets embarrassed). He also comes back to Hogwarts to make sure Regulus isn’t overworking himself and occasionally sneaks a prank or two at Snape (even though Reg and Remus will chastise him after).
Remus is obviously DADA professor. However, he doesn’t live on campus. Instead, he has a cottage that he bought near Hogsmeade. He spends his weekends there making tea and hanging out with Sirius. They have a portkey to the forbidden forest where they spend full moons with the rest of the marauders. He is also working in a dissertation about wolfsbane and how to make it more readily available. He also looks out for students being picked on and maybe not so secretly implies a prank idea or two. When he started teaching, the first thing he did was look for the confiscated Marauders map in Filch’s cupboard (HE WANTED IT BACK HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT) but realised it was missing. It didn’t take long though for him to realise that it was in the crafty hands of Fred and George Weasley. He couldn’t wait to tell the other the other three marauders when he found out!!
Sirius is a philanthropist explorer who goes around supporting new medicine and exploring new unique places. He probably turned grimmauld house into a orphanage (specialising in helping werewolf children and muggleborns). It may seem like he has a flexible schedule but his job keeps him really busy and he never knows when his next break is. So, he is always stumbling into Remus’ cottage at random times or making surprise visits to Hogwarts. When he’s there, he brokers deals with Dumbledore to allow more werewolf students in. He even renovated the shrieking shack so its more comfortable for them during the full.
Peter (he was a triple spy for the order! He had to because Voldemort was threatening his already sick mother) grew out of his shell more and became the head of publishing at the Prophet. Since he was such a gossip in school, he came into the job with a pre-existing network of information. It doesn’t hurt that his besties are all war heroes. When the war ended and he realised that people were picking on young deatheaters (those forced into the cause by their parents), he was the only newspaper brave enough to publish an exclusive with war heroes Regulus Black and Evan Rosier about how family can shape your choices and how to break out of it. Of course, he is also the only one that can get Sirius Black to sit down for an interview (no one realises these articles always suspiciously get published after a full moon aka the only time Peter can get Sirius to SIT THE FUCK DOWN). He
As the one who sent the finishing blow to the Dark Lord, Lily BAMF Evans was immediately indicted into the Auror Hall of Fame. She has since risen up the ranks and is basically Moody’s second in command. She was originally apprehensive about taking on such a challenging job so close after the war (esp cause her son was still a baby) but was convinced by Mary (her then Fiancee now wife). And, even then, she only said yes because Harry’s other parents: Mary (a model), Regulus (a potions teacher) and James (a quidditch player) had large chunks of the year off and would be able to take care of him. She is campaigning for more muggle borns to be allowed into Auror training (since most of them are still purebloods) and has been working hard with Regulus to make appeals to the Wizengmot.
No one was surprised that Marlene Mckinnon became a professional Quidditch player too. But everyone was shocked when they found out that she purposefully picked a different team from Potter! It had something to do with the fact that she always wanted to properly play against him but never had the chance to. But, also she picked her team because it was her wife, Dorcas’, favourite team! She loves taunting James because she happens to be in Reg’s favourite team (and well, Regulus sits with Dorcas in her stands during their games). As a proud Gryffindor, she still likes to dunk on Slytherins (esp when she is near the Slytherin Skittles) and makes a show of only hugging “the only bearable one” Pandora. Everyone just rolls their eyes because not only did she marry the Slytherin Head Girl, she was also the first to propose (she did it half an hour after Lily vanquished the dark lord and she was still in bandages).
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since the hogwarts housing essay i wrote at midnight is by far my most popular post as of yet, here's part two: stereotypes and prejudice
so, in part one, i focused mainly on the more tangible problems like how subjective the placement of each person is and the distribution problems, but the big issue i didn't really touch on is stereotyping.
obviously, each house is there to give kids a chance to find their people and figure out their values and place in life, so they are categorical, and labels are gonna arise no matter what. however, those labels, at least in the case of hogwarts, are really bad about forcing people into boxes. people can argue that hogwarts is uniform enough that just spending time around their house isn't enough to really influence a person's personality or life course, but the opinions of others is actually a huge way we develop our self-concept especially while we're young. now imagine the entire wizarding community of the British Isles telling you you've been sorted into the brave house, or the smart house, or the kind house, or the cunning house (or more often the evil house). that's akin to a prophecy, and it's gonna take a lot to change a kid's perception of themselves. it's the same concept of a teacher telling a student they're particularly good at math but struggle in english. now that they know they do good in a certain subject without effort, they're more likely to try harder in math to improve on their "talent", but they're also more likely to not put much effort into english because, "if i'm naturally bad at it, there's not much i can do at this point." now let's transfer that idea to hogwarts: if a kid is sorted into gryffindor, the first thing a person will tell them is not, "wow, you must be so smart!" it's, "wow, you must be so brave!" how brave can an 11 year old actually be? unless there are extenuating circumstances like in the cases of Harry and Remus, there aren't many reasons an 11 year old would already see themselves as brave. however, now that they have that idea in their head, bravery seems more like a birthright rather than something they have to achieve. on the other hand, intelligence becomes a far away ideal that is just that much harder to achieve because if they're not in ravenclaw, that must mean they don't have the same capacity for learning as the ravenclaw kids. obviously this isn't true, but it's only not true if a kid has a particular drive to succeed academically. gryffindors (and hufflepuffs) now see studying as optional because there isn't any pressure to be great in this area. (clearly, there are exceptions, namely hermione, remus, lily, etc., but their dedication to their studies says more about their questionable sortings and need to prove bloodpurist and ableist prejudice wrong than anything else), in place of that pressure comes even more pressure to always be brave. ideally, each person is sorted into their perfect house and the pressure never becomes too much. that is simply impossible. while people like james and sirius might thrive in this sort of environment, people like neville and peter will crack under the pressure. where neville allowed himself several small cracks over the years (typically in potions class) and came out better for it, peter spent seven years pretending to be as brave as his friends and finally when the opportunity came, switched to the dark side where he wouldn't have to act like anything other than what he was: a rat. likewise, i wouldn't be surprised if ravenclaw has the most mental breakdowns during finals week (if hermione is any example) or if hufflepuffs have the worst outbursts when the general horribleness of the world gets to be too much. of course, we know slytherins have spectacular reactions to pressure: regulus dying in pursuit of horcruxes, andromeda running away, draco letting snape kill dumbledore, snape calling lily a mudblood. the list goes on.
now, circling back to the boxes the housing system forces people into, stereotypes aggressively push this issue. for example, anyone from any house can be on a quidditch team. however, as bravery isn't really relevant in day-to-day activities (unless, of course, you're a werewolf or living with the house of black) and it is traditionally seen as a heroic trait that a brave knight or a greek hero would have, aiding a character physically, it is easier for gryffindors to fall into the jock category without the added academic pressure of ravenclaw or slytherin or the practically negative competitiveness of hufflepuff. why is it that five of the seven weasley kids played quidditch and two of them were considered quidditch greats at hogwarts, and one went on to play quidditch professionally? throughout harry's time at hogwarts, gryffindor rarely lost a game. i haven't read the books in a while, but i don't think draco ever beat harry to the snitch, either. this isn't a coincidence. gryffindors just have more time and pressure for quidditch greatness. slytherin is in my opinion the worst about this. the second people learn they're part of a house that has only made evil wizards (a lie if there ever was one) and that no matter what they do, the wizarding world will always think of them as evil because of their house, why should they try to make anyone think otherwise? even if they become a great hero or, heck, a healer or professor, the second people learn that they were in slytherin, that person will automatically be aligned with evil. not through any fault of their own, of course, just due to stereotypes. the same thing happens with gryffindors and hufflepuffs, although not to the same extent. people often assume they aren't as smart as ravenclaws and slytherins even though some of the smartest wizards came out of those houses. one of the worst, though, is that if a kid isn't in gryffindor, they feel no need to be brave, slytherins especially. it took regulus eighteen years to find the courage to do what he knew was right, and even then he didn't do it in the light of day (i realize a quiet betrayal was probably more advantageous at the time, but there would have been many advantages to a loud one as well, namely more people would have known what he was doing and about the horcruxes, so his chance of death goes down and if he did die, more people would able to continue his work). snape also never officially declared his stance on blood purity, not even to dumbledore. we can't even use the mudblood incident as proof because he was just following the slytherins in a moment of emotional distress, and either way, that stance could have changed in the decades since the incident. and the only reason snape ever switched sides was because of lily, not any particular bravery on his part. if he used that slytherin cunning he was supposed to have had, he probably could have figured out dumbledore's plans much earlier and maybe not finally have let his bravery show in his fatal sacrifice. this example is a bit of a mess, but the takeaway is that the bravery prejudices (as well as all of the others) of each individual house cause strict boxes that persist even into adulthood causing negative repercussions for the victims of the stereotyping.
the intelligence stereotyping especially pisses me off if y'all couldn't tell, and the main reason for that is on behalf of neurodivergents. if a kid has a learning disability, or any disability really, they would have a very very hard time at hogwarts. remus had a much harder time than any of the other marauders, and his disability wasn't even a learning disability (or really considered a disability, just a personal failure cause wizards are fucking stupid). as far as we know, hogwarts doesn't have any procedures for kids with disabilities. they could just be on their own for all we know. with that in mind, how hard would it be for a neurodivergent kid to be in ravenclaw no matter how smart they are? just with ableist prejudice, our dominantly neurotypical world already tells them they aren't as smart as "normal" people. in gryffindor, they would be made fun of for being different. in ravenclaw and slytherin, they would be made fun of for not learning in the same way as everybody else. hufflepuff is the only that would give them a chance. not only that, but the entire hogwarts curriculum is dependent on a student's ability to read. what if a kid has dyslexia? what the hell are they supposed to do? pray someone will help with every homework assignment and potions class? does anyone remember what snape did when hermione tried to help neville? not a good option. with all of this going on, the chances of being in ravenclaw and succeeding with a learning disability become infinitesimal. using remus as a case study, wizards are constantly poised to attack anyone who is different. how can a kid possibly see themself as smart with all of this going on? just by attending hogwarts, they would most likely end up in gryffindor because of how damn brave that is, just like remus. but does this mean kids with learning disabilities aren't smart, cunning, or kind? no, but that is exactly what the housing system would have us believe. it goes both ways, too. what is the most likely house for a kid with savant syndrome (when someone with a developmental disorder such as autism has an amazing ability for something such as math and science)? i'm not sure how our academic subjects would transfer to magical subjects, but i would assume ravenclaw, just because of one heightened ability (amazingly heightened, but still). can someone with savant syndrome not be brave? hell no - they are just as brave for attending hogwarts as any other neurodivergent person. does this mean they are not cunning or kind? also no. would the housing system make them feel like smart is the only thing they will ever be? yes.
finally, and this is the big one, even when the stereotypes cause fights, even when they cause destruction of kids' mental states, and even when generalizations hurt kids once they've grown up, sometimes resulting in death, they are fucking encouraged, by everyone. the professors, dumbledore, parents, the ministry, even the goddamn students themselves. when kids from separate houses fight and argue, they aren't told that interhouse relationships are important, and that the houses need to respect each other. there is not one single thing that encourages interhouse communication besides a couple unnamed clubs and the DA which purposefully excluded slytherins. they are told, however, typically by their head of house and sometimes dumbledore and their parents, that the opposing house was just being too [insert house stereotype] and that they can finish the fight by winning the house cup or the next quidditch match. this is a horrible system that encourages fighting by taking the blame off students when they do something wrong and removing their responsibility to be better. this is part of why i love mcgonagall - while she does favor gryffindors, she makes sure her students know when they did something wrong whereas snape always finds a way to blame a gryffindor. this leads me into my next point: blantant favoritism. dumbledore literally manipulated the house cup in harry's first year specifically to replace a slytherin win with a gryffindor win, and snape is just as bad. we hear about how snape bullied neville all the time because of his potential to have saved lily, but he also bullied the other gryffindors a lot, too. he said out loud in front of hermione's peers that he didn't see a difference between the super long ever growing teeth and her normal overbite. he made fun of seamus for constantly setting things on fire. he bullied harry just as bad if not worse than draco did (i realize this was in part because of james, but harry was also lily's kid. you'd think that would count for something). umbridge attempted to hand the slytherins everything on a silver platter just because they were the "evil, pure" house, yet she made the gryffindors fight for everything. the prefects and head boy and girl frequently threatened to take house points from the other houses for small, petty reasons, and they were never discouraged or reprimanded for that. in this sort of environment, it's no wonder there were so many fights and there were always kids in the hospital wing. hogwarts was basically a building full of angry, prejudiced, scared, hormonal teenagers with loaded weapons.
no fucking wonder it's so easy for evil wizards to rise to the top in england.
here's the link to part one
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