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I think my barf with people who do a more "canon" Ink personality is less "dang they made him annoying for what" because when I think about that I actually still really like his personality. I don't like how they make characters around him act, like why does everyone seem to hate the guy for having fun {in context of being silly and not doing like hatecrimes}
I mean even in Comyet's art they never say that people actually hate Ink like he has friends and family and at most people get a little annoyed when he doesn't understand certain things, I think the only one in canon who actually dislikes him is Dream and that's not even really "hate" or annoyance just more offputt-ness
I hope people know what I'm talking about since this is pretty niche, also no hate to anyone who does this it's perfectly fine!! It's just a personal pet peeve lol
#this was based off thegrinning kitten {still love there inktobertale though}#But I've seen it with other artist too#Ramble#undertale au#inksans#ink!sans#ink sans#undertale aus
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trdl of the ramble Bellow:
it's a little confusing to read but eh whatever
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ok allow to ramble about jax in this new episode/in general now
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i find it really funny when people say the new episode made them hate jax because for me it was the complete opposite, i absolutely HATED jax in the pilot and the way the fandom portrayed him as this "sassy flirty guy" ans until this new episode i REFUSED to draw him or talk about him in any way, just so you know the extent of my hatred LOLL
the new episode is what actually made me like him
not only do i like how he's STRAIGHT UP just a dick, no flirty personality or that fanon behavior that would make him "redeemable" just a jerk all the way
but i also LOVE how they build into this sarcastic jerk archetype of his by making him slip up on it, almost like it's just a facade used as copping mechanism
even IF he didn't attend kaufmo's funeral you can see for a slight second his expression going sad when ragatha is talking about setting up the funeral, i mean how can he not be sad? even if he didn't care about or liked kaufmo he still spent time with him, he got to know him, his habits and inevitably got attached even if by accident
in my opinion jax DOES care about the people in the circus he will just never show it, independent of what happens he will maintain his sarcastic and jerk persona to cope and as a defense mechanism
i saw a drawing of him asking very aggressively if gangle would miss him and if he was gone and then hugging her when she said yes and i really like this portrayal of him, if i find the drawing again leave the artists @ in the comments
everyone in the circus has a way of not going insane and jax's one happens to be a jerk
just so everyone know this is my opinion you can portray/like/dislike jax however you well desire, people have different views about stuff and that's FINE!!!! in fact I'd love to hear other peoples opinions on this topic :]
but anyway as of now we just wait and see what direction gooseworxs will take with his character but either way she chooses to write him I'll be happy :3 I'll definitely be drawing more of him next
#the amazing digital circus fanart#tadc fanart#tadc jax#the amazing digital circus jax#jax fanart#the amazing digital circus#tadc#rambling
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Honestly I’m kinda confused at why people get so mad when people like fixed top/bottom dynamics
like so many onepiece shippers will get so mad when you only like one top/bottom dynamic
like most of the time there’s no like weird hidden meaning and it’s just a preference. It’s only weird when someone fetishizes it
but can we please normalize not liking things like omg you don’t need like ten thousand reasons for why you dislike a charactering bottoming or topping like it’s completely fine to hate something as long as your not attacking people.
like it’s so weird to get pressed because someone has a different ship preference than you and comment things like “nooo zoro is the bottom 🥹” “Luffy can’t top 😭😭” “I don’t like this ship but good art” “but I think they switch”
normalize soft blocking !!! normalize hating things just because YOU don’t like them and not because of some random ass reason you pulled outta ur ass!!!
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I don't think it's inherently misogyny to dislike a female character, but I think some people do express their dislike of them in a misogynistic way sometimes, if that makes sense. "I don't this character" or similar is fine, but "X is a cow/bitch etc" makes me uncomfortable to read even if I also dislike the character, especially when it comes from male fans
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I usually don't make these type of posts but i have recently seen some of my Danny Phantom mutuals (mainly Vlad Masters/Plasmius mutuals) reblogging fanart from a user called @/ taptrial2 (They have a Gravity Falls Mabel icon as pfp)
This post isn't intended to be a callout against this person nor i don't want anyone to attack them. But i have noticed that they have said some... peculiar things about Vlad's character and Vlad's fans specially, that i think others should know about:
They have made posts expressing their distaste for Vlad's redemption arc in A Glitch in Time, saying they want Vlad's character to ¨get worse¨. Seeing is ¨surreal¨ how the Danny Phantom is ¨happy about Vlad getting a redemption arc¨.
....This ignores how this trope or idea of Vlad getting redemmed or having a redemption arc is thing that has been for years in the fandom. This includes Dan Phantom having a redemption arc as well.
So, yeah, it does makes sense for a lot of the fandom to like his redemption arc considering it is more or less a popular fan trope.
They said that Danny shouldn't help ghosts and ¨let him kill instead¨.
.... I don't know what to comment about this, specially considering that ghosts are beings/ manifestations of emotions of people who were once alive...
Saying that people who like Vlad ¨too much¨ should be avoided and calling Vlad Masters fans ¨creeps¨ (in spite they really seem to like Vlad but i guess liking Vlad ¨too much¨ means people wishing him to be redemmed and make up for his actions)
(Also ignores how a lot of us Vlad fans don't like Pompous pep and have been vocal about it)
This is their opinion and that's fine, but this also seems to miss the point that the reason of why people dislike this episode so much is because it goes against Vlad's previously established characterization that he became a villain because of the proto-accident and not that he was ¨always naturally evil¨. Human! Vlad being so abusive to Maddie and lying to her goes against a lot of previous characterization and he comes off as more shallow character, again that's why so many Vlad's fans hate it.
Taptrial seems to have a bit of obsession with Vlad ¨getting worse¨ and ¨suffer more and more¨. Now i don't totally disagree with this idea because i have talked about ¨breaking down¨ Vlad before myself. But they have this specific idea that Vlad has to suffer and get worse.
There are other things they have said but to do a summary:
It seems they hate Vlad's character in a way (?) and want for him to ¨suffer¨. They seem to ignore Vlad's complexities as villain and as character and what motivates him. In general they seem to want Vlad be only as ¨evil¨, which clashes a lot with how Vlad fans usually talk about his character.
They seem to believe that there is a specific way you have to ¨like Vlad¨, and that seems to be only seeing him as evil and irredeemable. If you like him ¨too much¨ (maybe have a crush on him or think he can be redemmed) you are likely ¨a creep¨ (Because liking characters equals morality of a person i guess)
They seem to not have a certain idea of how the Phandom works in general or are quite unfamiliar with DP fandom tropes. This wouldn't usually be a problem but if it weren't for certain things they say, that i previously mentioned.
They seem to be against the idea of redemption arcs or enemies not potrayed as totally evil (like ghosts being driven by emotions and Danny and others helping them instead of attacking them)
Again, this post isn't meant for anyone to go and attack this user nor it is meant to be a callout. I don't want anyone to leave hate comments or hate anons to them. That isn't the intention.
The point of this post is that i want mutuals and other people know the opinions this person has that you are reblogging from and certainly i don't want anyone to be accused by this person of something they are not for liking Vlad, Dan or any other character ¨too much¨ or whatever among those lines.
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not really a doorkeay shipper, but there are a few fics I’ve read that I really like with those two being the main pairing, and when it comes to the age gap…
I have some thoughts. (Also 🗣️, I would like to hear your opinion mod but if you cannot that’s totally fine as well)
I normally don’t really care too much about age gaps tbh. Yeah it’s often kinda weird and uncomfy but then again I can just. Ignore it. Not engage.
yeah, consenting adults, but since the timeline is oh so fucked up, it just still. Rubs me the wrong way at times.
But also like. Y’all need to understand, that’s fine. It’s fine for others to be uncomfortable by a ship, especially a ship where it could be very easily said thst micheal is about as old as Eric, and thus makes me personally uncomfortable. And this is fine. I can dislike a ship.
but y’all who aren’t uncomfortable, 1) that’s great. It’s great that you have a ship you like. It’s fine. But 2)… broski, it’s JSUT a ship, chill out, no you do not need to justify or make a PowerPoint presentation on the age gap and timeline (that I’ll be honest I don’t even think Jonny himself worries too much over anymore, it’s been literal years) just to explain why the age gap isn’t “problematic”
any age gap can be problematic, that is the fact of life, because any person can be problematic and use such an age gap to their advantage and take advantage of the other person or people.
You all need to chill out and take your shipping wars elsewhere and less seriously. They are fictional characters. They do not personally affect either party in real life. Their ships should not personally affect you in any significant way mentally.
y’all need to touch grass and remember that the block button exists to be used.
Uh agreed yea. Just chill, liking it is fine, not liking it is fine, some of you need to learn that being disgusted or uncomfortable isnt morality, theres many different factors to stuff and everythings very complex and everyone has different opinions which is fine
Personally I dont mind doorkeay its ok ig
#sorry im very tired and dont really have anything to add#magpod#tma#the magnus archives#magpod confession#🗣
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I’m really glad that people in the TMNT fanbase have finally started calling out the insistence that 2012 Splinter is irredeemably abusive. As well as how the criticism comes across as racist. The way the character is depicted in the show versus the way he is often depicted in fan content is like night and day. I’m open to different fan interpretations, but I’ve seen an insane amount of fans confidently state that he’s canonically abusive. And this is one of the worst misinterpretations of canon I’ve ever seen in fanon.
2012 Splinter was raised in Japan, and seems to take on a more East Asian style of parenting. He’s stricter with his sons, but usually when they put themselves or their brothers in danger. However, I would say that he’s far more gentle and understanding than anything else. And I would like to clarify that reasonably disciplining your kids and teaching them right from wrong is not abusive. That’s what it means to be a parent. Never correcting misbehavior is another form of abuse, one that borders on neglect.
Another thing to consider is that he’s in a very unique situation. Splinter and the turtles are mutants. They will never be accepted by society and will always be seen as monsters; he knows this. He teaches his sons how to fight so they can defend themselves in a world that will try to hunt them down and kill them. He has nightmares about his sons dying. The show explores the terror he faces as a parent, which is something he’s already experienced with the loss of his daughter and wife.
Splinter is devastated and relieved to find that Miwa is alive. He loves her as his daughter, but that doesn’t mean he no longer sees the turtles as his sons. He views them as being his children just as much as his biological child. He clarifies this to Leonardo. The reason I love TMNT so much as a franchise is because it’s one of the few pieces of media that explores familial love within an adopted family. And TMNT 2012 constantly reiterates that family can look unconventional and does not need to be bound by blood.
Splinter is a realistic depiction of a parental figure. Most parents in media are either abusive or perfect with no in-between. Splinter is the type of parent who tries his best but still makes mistakes. In real life, there is no such thing as a perfect parent. Even the kindest parents are going to make mistakes from time to time. But my favorite thing about Splinter is that he almost always owns up to his mistakes. Rather than doubling down or pretending he did nothing wrong, he admits his wrongdoing and apologizes. And that’s way better than a lot of parents.
I don’t want to get too personal, but I grew up with several abusive adults in my life. I know firsthand what it’s like to experience very violent abuse at the hands of an adult. It fucked me up and I’m still recovering from it. Pretty much none of those adults ever admitted wrongdoing or grew as a person. In their eyes, they were always in the right and I deserved what I was getting. I would’ve loved to have a patient and kind adult in my life like 2012 Splinter.
Abuse looks different for everyone, and I don’t want to imply my experiences are universal. But as someone who did grow up in that environment, it’s upsetting to see people blow Splinter’s actions out of proportion in order to validate their dislike of a him. To me, it feels like fans are using the abuse as a tool to make their opinions look morally correct. As a writer, I understand making alternate universes to amp up the angst potential. But insisting that fanon is canon is where I draw the line, especially when it comes to willfully misinterpreting a character.
#tmnt#tmnt 2012#tmnt 2012 splinter#i’ve been wanting to make this post for a very long time#and no this is not an invitation to shit on other versions of tmnt#fanon is not canon#and yeah it does feel racist#it reminds me of when people were saying abuela from encanto was super evil#no these two characters are nuanced#and it’s fine to dislike this character#but as i said it’s when people try to make him look morally bad#to justify their opinion as the correct one#idk guys fandom is super weird :/
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Very interesting to me that a certain subset of the BES fandom's favourite iterations of Mizu and Akemi are seemingly rooted in the facades they have projected towards the world, and are not accurate representations of their true selves.
And I see this is especially the case with Mizu, where fanon likes to paint her as this dominant, hyper-masculine, smirking Cool GuyTM who's going to give you her strap. And this idea of Mizu is often based on the image of her wearing her glasses, and optionally, with her cloak and big, wide-brimmed kasa.
And what's interesting about this, to me, is that fanon is seemingly falling for her deliberate disguise. Because the glasses (with the optional combination of cloak and hat) represent Mizu's suppression of her true self. She is playing a role.
Take this scene of Mizu in the brothel in Episode 4 for example. Here, not only is Mizu wearing her glasses to symbolise the mask she is wearing, but she is purposely acting like some suave and cocky gentleman, intimidating, calm, in control. Her voice is even deeper than usual, like what we hear in her first scene while facing off with Hachiman the Flesh-Trader in Episode 1.
This act that Mizu puts on is an embodiment of masculine showboating, which is highly effective against weak and insecure men like Hachi, but also against women like those who tried to seduce her at the Shindo House.
And that brings me to how Mizu's mask is actually a direct parallel to Akemi's mask in this very same scene.
Here, Akemi is also putting up an act, playing up her naivety and demure girlishness, using her high-pitched lilted voice, complimenting Mizu and trying to make small talk, all so she can seduce and lure Mizu in to drink the drugged cup of sake.
So what I find so interesting and funny about this scene, characters within it, and the subsequent fandom interpretations of both, is that everyone seems to literally be falling for the mask that Mizu and Akemi are putting up to conceal their identities, guard themselves from the world, and get what they want.
It's also a little frustrating because the fanon seems to twist what actually makes Mizu and Akemi's dynamic so interesting by flattening it completely. Because both here and throughout the story, Mizu and Akemi's entire relationship and treatment of each other is solely built off of masks, assumptions, and misconceptions.
Akemi believes Mizu is a selfish, cocky male samurai who destroyed her ex-fiance's career and life, and who abandoned her to let her get dragged away by her father's guards and forcibly married off to a man she didn't know. on the other hand, Mizu believes Akemi is bratty, naive princess who constantly needs saving and who can't make her own decisions.
These misconceptions are even evident in the framing of their first impressions of each other, both of which unfold in these slow-motion POV shots.
Mizu's first impression of Akemi is that of a beautiful, untouchable princess in a cage. Swirling string music in the background.
Akemi's first impression of Mizu is of a mysterious, stoic "demon" samurai who stole her fiance's scarf. Tense music and the sound of ocean waves in the background.
And then, going back to that scene of them together in Episode 4, both Mizu and Akemi continue to fool each other and hold these assumptions of each other, and they both feed into it, as both are purposely acting within the suppressive roles society binds them to in order to achieve their goals within the means they are allowed (Akemi playing the part of a subservient woman; Mizu playing the part of a dominant man).
But then, for once in both their lives, neither of their usual tactics work.
Akemi is trying to use flattery and seduction on Mizu, but Mizu sees right through it, knowing that Akemi is just trying to manipulate and harm her. Rather than give in to Akemi's tactics, Mizu plays with Akemi's emotions by alluding to Taigen's death, before pinning her down, and then when she starts crying, Mizu just rolls her eyes and tells her to shut up.
On the opposite end, when Mizu tries to use brute force and intimidation, Akemi also sees right through it, not falling for it, and instead says this:
"Under your mask, you're not the killer you pretend to be."
Nonetheless, despite the fact that they see a little bit through each other's masks, they both still hold their presumptions of each other until the very end of the season, with Akemi seeing Mizu as an obnoxious samurai swooping in to save the day, and Mizu seeing Akemi as a damsel in distress.
And what I find a bit irksome is that the fandom also resorts to flattening them to these tropes as well.
Because Mizu is not some cool, smooth-talking samurai with a big dick sword as Akemi (and the fandom) might believe. All of that is the facade she puts up and nothing more. In reality, Mizu is an angry, confused and lonely child, and a masterful artist, who is struggling against her own self-hatred. Master Eiji, her father figure who knows her best, knows this.
And Akemi, on the other hand, is not some girly, sweet, vain and spoiled princess as Mizu might believe. Instead she has never cared for frivolous things like fashion, love or looks, instead favouring poetry and strategy games instead, and has always only cared about her own independence. Seki, her father figure who knows her best, knows this.
But neither is she some authoritative dominatrix, though this is part of her new persona that she is trying to project to get what she wants. Because while Akemi is willful, outspoken, intelligent and authoritative, she can still be naive! She is still often unsure and needs to have her hand held through things, as she is still learning and growing into her full potential. Her new parental/guardian figure, Madame Kaji, knows this as well.
So with all that being said, now that we know that Mizu and Akemi are essentially wearing masks and putting up fronts throughout the show, what would a representation of Mizu's and Akemi's true selves actually look like? Easy. It's in their hair.
This shot on the left is the only time we see Mizu with her hair completely down. In this scene, she's being berated by Mama, and her guard is completely down, she has no weapon, and is no longer wearing any mask, as this is after she showed Mikio "all of herself" and tried to take off the mask of a subservient housewife. Thus, here, she is sad, vulnerable, and feeling small (emphasised further by the framing of the scene). This is a perfect encapsulation of what Mizu is on the inside, underneath all the layers of revenge-obsession and the walls she's put around herself.
In contrast, the only time we Akemi with her hair fully down, she is completely alone in the bath, and this scene takes place after being scorned by her father and left weeping at his feet. But despite all that, Akemi is headstrong, determined, taking the reigns of her life as she makes the choice to run away, but even that choice is reflective of her youthful naivety. She even gets scolded by Seki shortly after this in the next scene, because though she wants to be independent, she still hasn't completely learned to be. Not yet. Regardless, her decisiveness and moment of self-empowerment is emphasised by the framing of the scene, where her face takes up the majority of the shot, and she stares seriously into the middle distance.
To conclude, I wish popular fanon would stop mischaracterising these two, and flattening them into tropes and stereotypes (ie. masculine badass swordsman Mizu and feminine alluring queen but also girly swooning damsel Akemi), all of which just seems... reductive. It also irks me when Akemi is merely upheld as a love interest and romantic device for Mizu and nothing more, when she is literally Mizu's narrative foil (takes far more narrative precedence over romantic interest) and the deuteragonist of this show. She is her own person. That is literally the theme of her entire character and arc.
#blue eye samurai#mizu blue eye samurai#akemi blue eye samurai#blue eye samurai meta#just in case... im gonna tag this as#mizukemicritical#akemizucritical#though this post isnt actually criticising the ship itself but rather fanon's portrayal of the ship and the characters#for that reason lemme also tag this as#wank.mp3#feel free to disagree of course but please be civil#and if you need to rant about how wrong i am without any convincing evidence kindly feel free to make your own post. peace and love <3#fandom.rtf#meta dissertations.pdf#shut up haydar#edit: for full disclosure. i do rather dislike this ship. but obviously it's fine for anyone to enjoy it. please do! have your fun!#it's just that as usual! popular fanon and fandom around a ship is what has completely deterred me from any sense of enjoyment of it#it's a shame too because i was very open and even eager for some mizu/akemi romance in the future#but out-of-character fanon + the rudeness of certain fans has definitely soured it for me#but that doesn't mean people can't enjoy it obviously! ship and let ship!!!#plus it has its appeal which i DO STILL see and enjoy!!!!#i would even go as far as to call them soulmates because their narratives and characters are LITERALLY intertwined!!!#but. yeah. my gradual distaste for this ship is indeed very unfortunate.
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If you ever find yourself questioning your own intelligence, just remember that Jujutsu Kaisen gave us a character who is the undisputed strongest living being in his universe (so much so that his birth altered the balance of the entire world around him) and is canonically able to do anything he tries; who could have decided to spend his entire life doing absolutely whatever tf he wanted because there is literally no one and nothing with the power to stop him, but instead chose to use his strength to protect and train the next generation to be strong and intelligent enough to overhaul the current oppressive system that would have stripped those innocent kids of their lives and precious youth in the same way it did his own generation, and this was a good portion of the fandom’s reaction to said character:
mostly based on one (1) line removed from 5 layers of context. When the majority of the story wouldn't have taken place at all if not for his strong sense of morality. I am so Tired.
#jjk#jujutsu kaisen#gojo satoru#and it’s fine not to like him!! you don’t have to like fan favourite characters!!!#you’re not obligated to like any character for any reason cause it literally doesn’t matter! they’re not real!!#but you can just dislike them for their canon characteristics without feeling the need to make up super ooc fanon stuff#in order to justify it! it’s simply unnecessary!!!#also i am once again asking people to PLEASE just google what the term 'god complex' actually refers to ashgsadk
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Personally the amount of people who are either "Jake is a stupid himbo" or "Jake is actively malicious" blow my mind. No, Jake isn't stupid, and he's not evil. He's a sixteen year old who is implied to have a mental disability and/or brain damage (it's not exactly clear, Caliborn claims they have the same developmental disorder and Dirk iirc worries that Jake hit his head too much, I guess you can take either with a grain of salt but I digress), and has not had meaningful real life interactions with other human beings in years. He is in the wrong for his actions, but it feels. Purposefully ignorant to claim he's just stupid or just evil for them.
He's socially stunted. He wants to emulate heroes in movies but lacks self esteem and experience. If the alpha kids had enough time to be more fleshed out (and let's be real, if Hussie cared about Jake) this might have been explored more thoroughly. He'd never had the opportunity to learn how to cope with a relationship, how to communicate his needs, or understand that he can't control how other people perceive him like he can through a computer screen.
He doesn't know healthy boundaries because he's never had to use them, and this goes both ways (allowing his friends to sexualise him and treat him like an object, as well as constantly complaining about his relationship with Dirk to Jane) Like yeah he does run away instead of communicating with Dirk and yeah he does dump all his problems on Jane. I love Jane, but one of her problems is her bottling up her feelings and people pleasing until everything blows up. She should have told him off much sooner, and while he was being a dick, it was partly because she allowed him to feel like it was okay to do, since she never told him it wasn't after the first few times or when she was starting to get aggravated.
His problems with Dirk are a little more complicated because we're never actually shown their relationship or how it broke down, but from what we can gather, Jake felt overwhelmed by Dirk's intensity and decided to ignore him rather than tell him try and avoid confrontation but leading to Dirk being frustrated and breaking up with him. Dirk claims he feels like he bullied Jake into a relationship, and though I personally think that's him making it seem worse than it was, it does mean that Dirk probably was trying to go too fast. I've best heard it is Jake being an introvert pretending to be an extrovert.
This is not to say I don't think people can't dislike or even hate Jake, but it's like. Idk. Misinterpreting a character and disliking that version of them is a little redundant to me.
#homestuck#dirkjake#jake english#dirk strider#jane crocker#character meta#homestuck meta#this is kind of in response to those people in the “worst homestuck character” tourney lol#the notes on those posts are atrocious especially the ones about the alpha kids. especially roxy#god if you think roxy is a perfect sngel i assume you haven't read the comic#btw im not mad at the person running the polls or whatever for that they seem fairly chill#its just that homestuck fans are sometimes stupid#and lack reading comprehension and critical analysis#long post#ummm jake dislikers ur fine but please. be correct about him if you're going to not like him#ok bye lol
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Wasn't sure I was gonna even post these because I was just having fun one night and made these for me. Like, they're a little sloppy BUT I'm pretty pleased. Saw those digital mockups and it was irritating as helllllll that they weren't real for purchase soooo. Arts and crafts created outta spite is always a vibe. 😎✨️⚔️🪄✌️
#mike wheeler#byler#cleradin#will Byers#love that i used bases from things i dislike turned into characters i love#will is a deadpool base 😒 and mike is some GoT base idk lmaooo but it works!#the shield needs remade but its fine for now I'm unbothered#my art#ST#stranger things
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the performative accusation that shipping zutara (and occasionally this criticism is levied at jinko/zukka) is colonialist apologism has been addressed in some excellent posts, explaining the inaccuracies and problematic implications of this logic far better than i ever could - like this post and this one and this one and this one and this one.
and i know this topic has been talked about to death, but if you could indulge my contribution for a moment, i just find it interesting how this sentiment results from the cognitive dissonance of atla fans being unable to reconcile with the idea of their favorite show's political beliefs not lining up with their own.
atla is a largely philosophical children's show that at its core deals with themes of love, redemption, and destiny vs. free-will. atla examines these themes through an anti-colonalist, anti-imperalist lens that deconstructs the idea of racial divisiveness and the idea that people of different ethnicities are inherently different. this is message is pretty explicitly stated by guru pathik:
Guru Pathik: "The greatest illusion of this world is the illusion of separation. Things you think are separate and different are actually one and the same."
Aang: "Like the four nations?"
Guru Pathik: "Yes. We are all one people. But we live as if divided."
and also by uncle iroh:
"It is important to draw wisdom from many different places. If you take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and stale. Understanding others, the other elements and the other nations will help you become whole."
this theme is developed across three full seasons, with the crux of this message culminating in zuko's friendships with the gaang - despite coming from different nationalities and different backgrounds, they have all had their own experiences being hurt by the fire nation and work together to take down the oppressive fire nation government. the question of destiny vs. free will is also explored through zuko's character - despite starting off as an antagonist, he develops into a symbolic representation of how the fire nation's oppression hurts its own citizens. he unlearns the fire nation's imperialist propaganda while simultaneously unlearning his father's abuse. rather than following misguided beliefs of what he thought his destiny was as the heir to the throne, instead he forges his own path.
thus, to claim that zuko can never form a deep and meaningful relationship with any of the gaang because of his nationality goes unequivocally against the themes of the show. and a major part of this is because these are fictional characters being used to analyze different theoretical questions within the show and in some cases, are used as symbolic representations of different philosophical ideas - their friendships and their character arcs serve a purpose within the text that cannot be easily transcribed onto real-life dynamics between people.
it's illogical to criticize fans who are choosing to understand atla at the level of the themes that are presented by the text - who are interested in exploring similar philosophical questions brought up by the show through the context of relationships.
if you don't like the themes of forgiveness and redemption that atla explores, your criticism should be aimed at the writing of the show itself rather than other fans. because you are giving far more thought to the "implications" of a close friendship or romantic relationship between someone from an imperalist nation and someone from an oppressed nation than the writers ever did. (and if you fall in this camp of people, i would hope you wouldn't be reblogging fanart of zuko and the gaang together while simultaneously claiming zuko could can never escape the sins of his ancestors and can never form a deep relationship based on trust and intimacy with katara or sokka or jin - because that would just be hypocritical).
and as a side note, people seem to apply this flawed logic to zutara far more than other ships solely because the show spends the most time exploring the complicated nature of fire nation imperalism in the interactions between zuko and katara in the latter half of b3. this is because they've been juxtapositioned against each other and paralleled with aang since the beginning of the show in ways that toph, sokka, and suki are not, who have mostly been used to examine different themes. there simply isn't enough time to explore these complicated themes with all the other characters, even if they theoretically exist in zuko’s dynamics with these characters, so the writers focus the most on zuko's relationships with katara and aang, and these relationships are given far more narrative weight, so have more content to criticize. but zuko and katara also canonically become friends by the end of the show. if you want to discount the existence of their friendship, claiming that it will always be tainted by the fire nation's oppression regardless of what is shown in the text, then you also have to discount zuko's friendships with aang, suki, toph, and sokka - because even if this isn't shown as a permanent barrier to their friendships in the show, it’s also not shown as a permanent barrier to his friendship with katara. if your logic is solely based on the idea that a person's identity in a relationship as a colonizer or a victim is fixed and unchanging regardless of character development, this would apply to zuko's friendships with everyone else as well.
#zuko#katara#zutara#i have seen people say that the zutara dynamic makes them personally uncomfortable and that's fine - to each their own!#but it's hypocritical to only dislike zuko's relationship with katara while simultaneously exalting his friendships w aang or toph or sokka#just because the show doesn’t take as much time to explore these issues with other characters doesn’t mean the same dynamic doesn’t apply#my post#my meta
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Regarding Tommy (AKA Stop hating him for the “Begins” episodes)
So I’ve been seeing a TON of hate for Tommy specifically because of his behaviour in the ‘Begins’ episodes and how he “shouldn’t be forgiven” so I’m getting fed up and decided to to a TIMELINE of Tommy & why we don’t need to be spoon fed his ‘redemption’ because we saw it across 10-ish years of flashbacks in the Begins episodes and can learn to understand that some stuff can just be implied with storytelling rather than treating the audience like babies and spelling it out for them. I will be starting with his first chronological appearance NOT his first on-screen appearance.
Starting Approx. 2005-2006 2x12 “Chimney Begins” now I’m not sure exactly what dates the episode here but google tells me it’s set around here, If I’m wrong let me know.
This was the big episode of Tommy being an asshole, I will not deny he was an asshole. He was one of the primary assholes of this episode along with the old captain. Let’s look at this episode with what we know about Tommy now, not what we knew then.
Tommy was a closeted gay man in a male-led, white-led field (presumably gay, we haven’t had his label yet) working under a captain we know is Homophobic, Sexist, and Racist. He also was a white man in a white male field back in 2005, prejudice was still a huge thing in 2005 (and still is but we’re not here to talk about that) and this episode shows this well, because it had to fit with the ‘times’. Tommy was an aggressor to begin with Im not going to deny this, but do you know who was also there, standing by and watching the rest of the 118 treat Chimney like shit for MONTHS? Eli! Yes lovey Eli who eventually helped get Chim into the field and let him stay with him in Boston. Yes he ended up being a good guy, but that doesn’t excuse the months he spent staying quiet watching the 118 mistreat Chim. You’ll see this theme pop up again later, funnily enough. Eventually we see Tommy and Chim become civil, after Chimney saves his life. He goes on to befriend Chimney, telling him his favourite movie is Love Actually (that’s fruity) amongst other things.
Fast forward to somewhere between 2009-2010 2x09 “Hen Begins” aka the next time we see Tommy chronologically and the first time we meet him in the show. We know a rough timeline as Sal says his girlfriend took him to see the new Twilight movie, and they reference the Edward vs Jacob, which means it’s most likely New Moon or Eclipse as that was more heavily a marketing thing for those two than the first one. This is also the first time Tommy is implied to be gay (He doesn’t deny the accusation and instead jokes about kissing Sal/Chimney) Now at this point in time I know this probably was not planned, but is something to look back at.
Tommy is this episode steps back from being an aggressor, he is still working under Gerrard and still closeted. He is still a part of the problem, but other than being present in the episode and in the scenes where Sal and Gerrard acted as aggressors, he didn’t actually contribute verbally to the mistreatment of Hen. The primary aggressor for Hen was Gerrard and remained to be Gerrard throughout the episode even when her co-workers saw her doing good things. And going back to Eli in Chimneys episode, guess who was also a bystander to Hens mistreatment, filling a similar role to Hen that Eli filled? CHIMNEY. He stood back for also presumably months, didn’t defend Hen against their co-workers, and just let what happened to him happen to her. Then, at the end of the episode it’s revealed multiple members of her team submitted complaints against their captain for the mistreatment of Hen, I’m willing to bet that he was one of those people, him, Chim, and even potentially Sal as he was less of an ass by the end. By the end of her episode we know they are now friendly at work and he thinks she’s a good firefighter.
Skip forward to 2014-ish, 2x16 “Bobby Begins Again.” We immediately see the team meshing, Chim, Hen, Tommy, and even Sal. 9 Years have passed since he met Chimney, and 4-ish since Hen and it’s implied they’re a friendly unit, Tommy is still closeted, and has been working under a rotating number of captains (six to be exact), but has clearly become a better, and more accepting person, the world is changing and he isn’t being held back with the times. He goes out for drinks with Hen & Chimney, laughs with them, has an overall good time being their friend and seeming enjoying working under Bobby for another 4 years, we even see them smash his face into a cake at a surprise leaving party they’ve thrown him. We know Buck took his place at the 118 which was not long before S1 began, so we’re assuming he left the 118 2017/2018.
This is the last time we see Tommy until 7x03, presumably set in 2023/2024 “Capsized”, a whole canonical 16-18 years after we first meet him, and 6 years since he left the 118. In those 6 years we know he:
A) is still friendly with Chimney, we know from 2x14 when he phones him to drop the fire retardant on the house. He is also mentioned to still be in contact in 3x16
B) Has come out/discovered his sexuality.
C) Is obviously not bigoted, or at least as much as he was back in 2005-ish.
In terms of Hen we can assume they haven’t really stayed “friends” since Tommy left, as she states in Capsized that she forgot he worked there. She worked with him for 8-ish years, I’ve worked with people for that length of time and don’t talk to them now, doesn’t mean I hate them, we just don’t really have reason to talk anymore. I just think their friendship was more a “we’re work friends” kind of relationship rather than a “we’re in each other’s lives” one, which is a completely normal and valid relationship. Whereas with Chim we know they’ve remained at least acquaintances to chat, and friends enough that Tommy would risk both his life and job to save Bobby.
At this point in the timeline it’s been approximately CANONICALLY 16-18 years since we met Tommy, and the fandom is still asking for his character to be held accountable for things he said all those years ago, when clearly in the canon of the show has been forgiven. At this point in the show I really don’t think we need to be spoonfed this narrative, it would feel clunky and weird to see an apology on screen for something that’s clearly been addressed off screen. It would frankly be a waste of the limited airtime we have this season.
I also think it’s super important to remember that Tommy wasn’t planned that far in advance, we know he was bought back by Minear because he wanted the person who was part of Bucks coming out to be someone the audience had already met before & Lou was both available and willing to do it. If they had been planning this exact storyline since season 2, maybe Tommy would have been portrayed differently, who knows.
I get we love Buddie and we want Buddie so much, I am not and never will jump ship from Buddie, I love that Tommy is Bucks first boyfriend, I just hope Eddie gets to be his last.
I’m also super glad we’re getting Bucks coming out separately from Eddies potential future coming out, I am on the (seemingly) small majority that thinks that would have been way too much to happen all at once, and also the characters deserve to have their own coming out stories not to be lumped together.
so yeah. TLDR; Tommy has evolved over 16-18 years, 10 years of which we saw across the Begins episodes, and if we want to be spoonfed his accountability for his behaviour in the begins episode, we should also be asking the same from Eli and Chim.
#Tommy Kinard#911 abc#911 season 7#bucktommy#evan buckley#911#9-1-1#9 1 1 abc#buck x tommy#listen i’m just fed up bc this happens with everyone Buck or Eddie dates#if you wanna dislike bucktommy go for it i’m not saying you have to like them#or even like tommy#i’m just saying you need to just be honest about your reasons for disliking him#and you don’t have to forgive him that’s fine you do you#but you can’t act like the characters haven’t
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I'm going to sound like such a smartass but
I'm glad I'm seeing more people express that
"Huh, maybe this girl who has an entire song repeating to herself over and over again that her murder was not her fault meanwhile she-
portrays herself as a giant grotesque bug in her headspace with her victim, who she clearly still holds a high opinion of, being the only human in said headspace looking at her with visible disgust and fear,
Making this expression upon realizing what she just did
These being the lyrics that follow right after, having a moment of reconsideration
Before jumping back to trying to convince herself that she was in the right, because she put her trust in us to tell her if what she did was right or not, and the answer that came out was yes...
That maybe, just maybe. She thinks that what she did...
Might have been her fault."
#haru chats about milgram#milgram#milgram project#muu kusunoki#kusunoki muu#milgram muu#also this goes without saying but if you dislike Muu that's perfectly fine#there are very valid reasons to dislike her#But even before I joined the fandom fully I was aware of the Muu hate wave that washed over when It's Not My Fault dropped#And it always confused me because even upon first watching the mv having very little context about Muu's case as a whole at the time#I was like “girl friend you are coping so hard”#and even though (to my knowledge) Muu doesn't get as much shit anymore#To this day I still see people misinterpret her as an entitled manipulative bitch without looking deeper into her character or crime#so like... I'm feeling a little catharsis right now please forgive me#Haru's having his own It's Not My Fault moment lmao
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you know the jily fans are crazy cause every jegulus post is like
i ship jegulus (NO HATE to lily, i love jily too, just my opinion, i dont hate women 🙏🙏🙂🙂🙂🙈🙈🙈🙈)
like okay let’s let people ship what they want without immediately calling them sexist
#also people should be allowed to just dislike a character without being attacked#like i like lily but it’s actually completely fine if people don’t like her or jily#there’s going to be like fourteen replies to this that are like you don’t value women if you prefer a mlm ship#some people just relate to regulus more than lily#it’s not that serious#jegulus#james potter#regulus black#lily evans
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Making Demetrius my babygirl solely because of the disproportionate amount of hate towards him and also thats he's so autism coded
#“i wish i could make your job easier.” actual angel y'all are just fuckin weird#I'm sure some of you dislike him for neutral reasons and thats fine but the sheer amount of hatred for the ONLY black male character in the#-game feels really sus#he's just socially inept he's my lil guy my lil friend#if yall can say 'i can fix him' towards shane you can give demetrius a lil sympathy#sdv demetrius#stardew valley#sdv#demetrius sdv
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