The really sad thing about people who obsess over Jason and Roy being "besties" is they ignore that these two had to literally be brainwashed into wanting anything to do with each other

hello, not to be rude or anything, but would you mind just letting people enjoy what they enjoy? I understand if you have problems with characters/situations/ships lord know I do, but that's not an excuse to harass people making things they love. thank you for your time, have a nice day. 💚

There is a direct link to letting these people enjoy the ship and Roy fucking dying in Heroes In Crisis. The fact that most of these people don't even know any of Roy's backstory and history of testament to that. He's just been ripped away from his relationships with the Titans and the Arrowfam and forced to live as a sidekick to a Batfam character. He is his own person and should be able to be a character solely on his own merits. So, no <3. Anyway, go read Arsenal (1998) and The Flash 2021 Annual!

Seriously stop posting j*yroy it's literally the worst ship out there

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Your opinions are sooo correct & sexy! I wanna know what you think about the switch of Roy being Dick's friend to (primarily) Jason's friend. Like in terms of both canon & fanon

(no pressure to answer though, just curious!)

ive talked about this before, so im not being facetious when i say that i don’t think there is anything remotely salvageable in the jason+roy relationship. i hate it.

when u consider current comic canon (that’s more or less tepidly reverted to post-crisis, pre-2011 canon), there is literally no reason why a freshly single father would be besties with his actual best friend’s 12yo brother. it’s profoundly unserious. even removing dick from the equation, in what world would roy be closer to jason than he is to ollie or donna or dinah or wally or jade or connor or mia or grant or vic or grace or literally any of the other titans?

i truly don’t think fans who like their relationship in that capacity care about roy, his history as a character, or his characterisation, because he is reduced to a demeaning, dehumanised depiction of any addict that is so totally divorced from his previous runs. how can u look at the roy harper that exists in rhato canon and not feel insulted that lobdell removed his family, his culture, his teammates, and his daughter in favour of making him swoon over jason? how is this a remotely egalitarian relationship when he exists to facilitate jason’s development and nothing else? how is roy treated with any respect by these fans?

the spiralling fanon vortex pulls everyone around roy in and ruins them by association. think about how unkind these interpretations of ollie are, or jade, or dick. how the actual important people in roy’s life, who love him and lian, are demonised to make room for jason. how unsympathetic the writing is to addicts, and how roy’s own addiction is switched as if different substances are interchangeable? how can u seriously engage with stories about sexual assault that posit roy as a slut-shaming, immature asshole who would seriously blame anyone for their own assault? it makes me so angry.

that’s even ignoring that roy would objectively not be cool with the things jason does, whether it be dealing, murdering people, or attacking roy’s own sister. roy has a moral backbone and isn’t afraid to be loud about it. there’s never been a team he was on pre-reboot where he hadn’t spoken up against shitty leadership or bad decisions — especially with dick. the difference in respect between dick and jason, where roy is allowed to be an adult with the titans and the outsiders and the league but is the team pet of the outlaws who can’t advocate for himself, is very stark.

it’s literally like if they decided to change kon to be damian’s best friend instead of tim’s, ignoring the age difference and their history together and any pre existing relationships. that’s how absurd the change was. that’s how much kon would have to be mischaracterised in order for that relationship to “work.”

jason could exist as an interesting contrast to roy, the same way he does to dick, but that would rely on roy being written well. it would have to mean they weren’t friends, that they weren’t close, and that jason wasn’t an actual part of his life, because that’s the only way they could exist together without roy being thrown on the fire to keep jason warm.

the best way i’ve seen jayroy described is if someone took kon, wiped the presence of tim, young justice, and his titans in his history, removed him from the superfam and the s entirely, then deaged him and made him damian’s best friend that only exists to prop him up and look stupid and useless and dependent so damian isn’t, while rewriting his story so it all hinges on damian from the very start. also erasing his background with csa and making it...an abusive ex, or just making him a womanizer and nothing else. sounds awful doesn’t it? that’s what jayroy is to roy.

anyone got Jason Todd fic recs that are either

1) Jason’s return from the dead, his lost days, his time at the league (I’ll even take the all caste), his “under the red hood” era

2) Jason comes back to the family fics (or even just Jason and Dick, Jason and Damian, or Jason and Bruce or Jason and Alfred or Jason and Duke)

3) Jason leaves the family fics

4) dealing with Jason’s trauma, be it dying and coming back changed, his time on the streets, his death/the joker, the batarang slicing his throat, etc.

5) competent Jason or magic Jason or Jason and the outlaws (this can be Roy Kori Artemis Bizarro Eddie Rose or even his Kyle and Donna days)

6) Jason and Gotham city (so like. The city herself, or the alley kids, the ladies, the people of crime alley, the ppl who work for him)

7) Jason doesn’t come back to Gotham after the pit

8) Jason centric case fics

9) Jayroy or KyleRoy or RoseJay

Any fics that like, fit those would be great!!! All I ask is that they don’t include the fanon Tim Drake characterization who is always so sad and whose canon angsty backstory has been maximized and exaggerated (No hate to ppl who enjoy that btw it’s just not my cup of tea but it’s his most consistent characterization in fics and I find that version popping up even when I filter Tim Drake out!! I’m fine with tim showing up tho just not this version—im sorry Tim just isn’t my favorite 😭)

PLS, Roy and Stephanie would NOT be into Jason Todd. That's the man that almost murdered their little siblings. FREE THEM!

Green Arrow (2001) #72 & Battle for the Cowl #2

jason todd has so many underrated canon love interests. essence, isabel, artemis, and rose are all characters i love with him. like those are good ships. why is everyone ignoring them?

Sigh...

Another day, another fic on Tumblr that uses Roy Harper's addiction to demonize Ollie in order to pair him up with Jason Todd and erases Dinah Lance and Hal Jordan from Roy's life yet again.

Jason Todd and Roy Harper together in the New 52 are to DC what Fukiko Ichinomiya and Rei Asaka were for Dear Brother.

...no, that's not a good thing.

For many, many, MANY reasons.

WHOOO, DICKROY LIAN CO-PARENTING!

An online friend literally haven't spoke to him in a YEAR got hacked and sent me a server for free nudes. I helped him change his password after he got back in and what not but like then we srat talking abt dc, i show him some tim art. He tries to explain how Robin isn't gay. Not just Damian but like all Robin's arnt gay.

Whole convo bc because of Tim Drake art.

Tell me why this collagekid was so pissed I 'made' Robin gay??? Like sir! Sir! May haps shut your mouth? I explained the the queer coding and shit and a whole rant about JayRoy aswell.

Also, what's wrong with JayRoy, theres an age difference. But they're adults. In their 20s. They don't injure eachother often. And let's say you do hate the ship. Guess what? SALT TAGS EXSIST dot flood the tag with spam and fuckin' censor it like is a severe curse. Like "stop posting J*yroy 🤬🥺🥺" like Jason Todd killed your newborn puppy and fucked Roy over top of the the dead dog. Like. Get a life you're so fuckin pressed. Over 2 criminals holding hands like they're gonna nuke an orphan preschool or somhing like. Touch grass. And the concrete, see family, log off Tumblr die idc just shut up

anyway the Tim art in question.

I just saw the worst jayroy post ever please save lian and roy from this crap omg

you made a post months and months ago about Jason needing a himbo boyfriend and mentioned both jayroy and jaykon in the tags so what about TWO himbo boyfriends?? (only sending this because I want someone else out there to realize and know that the ship name could be joykon)

That is such a good ship name anon, you’re hired and steering this ship 🚢

In all honesty I’m a heavy jaykyle shipper mostly, but the mixture of Roy and Kon dating Jason at the same time makes my heart warm a little knowing Jason is annoying both Dick and Tim by dating one of their BFFs. Like he already annoys them regularly as a brother should, but Jason is out here living his wattpad life in this scenario. He can have some sibling chaos as a treat.