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cryptar · 1 month

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hmm, I'll have to check it out! i mean, where would society be without our pretty boy figurines lmaoo.

I've actually never bumped into the Klee & Diluc dynamic in the wild, but now I want to dig my fingers into it! pyro characters are always so fun to explore.

Gosh, I've been seeing that as well, there's such a rush to be ‘in’ these days, people dropping fandoms because they're not popular enough never used to happen, or if it did, I haven't seen it.

Yeah! These tropes do have the potential to be written well, if they weren't, they wouldn't be so popular in the first place. I just don't know why someone would want to make fanfiction in the first place if it wasn't… y'know, fanfiction.

While I've done my fair share of getting into canon through fanon for a good portion of my fandoms— I always try to fact check.

Wanting to write accurately is actually how I started reading the Batman comics in the first place. I had heard about the stark contrast but I'm not exaggerating when I say it's a hugeee tone shift!

Then I see people just winging it, and I have no idea how they do it without going insane? then i feel guilty because they’re free to do whatever they want and they're just having fun but also are they even?? sure doesn't look like it.

Do they even like the characters in the first place? the ship? the story?? ugghh it drives me crazy.

oh, also, as a coffee enthusiast myself, I too can agree, there is no place more sexless than a coffee shop. a single step between those pearly gates of stale pastries and weeping, sleep-deprived single parents is enough to reinvigorate even Genghis Khan's maidenhood.

ohh diluven… I've got a wip for them that is just sitting in my docs, they make me so insane. but yeah i feel the same! That's a big reason why I made this post in the first place. I don't feel as much as a shipper so much as someone who wants to put two characters in a room and see what happens.

I'm lucky enough to have gotten into GI post-ayato’s release, but that sounds absolutely miserable! i relate to you with kavetham— it's such a shame that fandom can turn you off of what otherwise could be a very fun character. took me a while to start liking him and kaveh (as individuals) for the same reason.

oh YES, honestly a lot of ships that people claim to be toxic are… regular relationship shit. not even inherently romantic relationship shit just straight up regular friendship between two characters that have, well, flaws.

fandom has a habit of demonising anything that doesn't fit the same brand of, as mentioned, oh-so-repetitive-college-coffee-shop-fluff aus. and i mean demonising. any conflict makes a relationship abusive and it's… actually pretty concerning on the authors part when you think about it.

what you said about there being more platonic dynamics than familial stuck me to my fucking core because that is so real…

Again, part of why I don't feel like I'm much of a shipper, is that mostly, i just like intreasting dynamics! which isn't always romantic. which isn't always familial either. There's more than two ways to mean something to someone.

while at the end of the day i have no problem figuring out chemistry between two characters who have basically never met— as a rarepair lover it would make me an absolute hypocrite—

It's really more about how stubborn people are on fanon-declared ‘canonicality’ that rubs me the wrong way. especially when it's used as an excuse to shit on other ships.

I definitely agree with you on wriolette! i like them as much as the next guy, but god knows if one was a woman people would be clutching their pearls and ‘don’t ship them! It's familial!’-ing them. and that's if they weren't calling the shippers out saying ‘they’ve barely even talked!’

Hey, I think it was a great rant! but yeahhhh, It's getting quite late for me as well, this was a nice chat! Have a good night.

(ohh ok ok! very relatable tbh.)

yknow i say im a huge multishipper but i wouldnt actually consider myself much of a shipper at all. just open to the idea of trying everything once. the term has typically romantic connotations and follows the assumption that i think, and want, these characters to be good for eachother.

I'm, personally, less interested in the prexisting chemistry than i am in the puzzle of figuring out what differing circumstances could potentially cause two characters who have seemingly nothing in common to become eachothers everything.

This could explain my favorism towards rarepairs and more convoluted dynamics, and my aversion to popular, fluffy pairings that have already been explored a thousand times over, there's no work for me to do there.

Not to mention that when a ship becomes too popular it starts cannibalising itself, and lots of good, interesting characterisations are lost in the sea of people bending characters into pre-orchestrated, saccharine dynamics. alot of which are usually downright fetishy in nature, particularly in mlm pairings.

I mean i would say being able to get ooc and self indulgent is downright mandatory for making a good fic, but there's only so many times i have to read a fic about a big, overprotective, manly-man top who does all the work and the shy, small, swoony, softhearted femme-wifey-bottom before it starts to just be lazy.

I actively have to go out of my way to search 'switch' tags if i want true-to-the-character, mutual emotional reciprocation. which i really, really shouldn't have to do as an ace person who actively skips through nsfw.

And it's not that popular wlw pairings aren't guilty of these problems aswell, but those tend to lean more into the 'soft lesbians who can do no wrong' stereotype, which always completely (butch)ers all nuisance that makes the ship worth shipping in the first place.

As well as that's if they're even the focus of the story at all and aren't just shoved to the side by the main mlm couple. mlw pairings can be culpable of both these things, with the added risk that you find out the author made a twitter post with the characters in front of the 'super straight' flag.

Though i also wonder if me being aspec plays any part as again; im not as interested in the romantic aspects as i am in the possible hurdles they may face throughout the potential relationship.

Anyone else feel like this?

#long post #cryptic ramblings #fandom crit

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cryptar · 1 month

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Ah, a fellow Neuvifuri shipper! don't apologise at all!! I'm really happy someone shares my thoughts on this!

Xiaoven, Thomato and Kaebedo are all such good examples that I'm shocked I forgot to add them in the first place. and I've never heard of Touken Ranbu before, but from what you've said i am very interested!

I agree on the gen focus as well, ironically i was actually reading through a Diluc and Diona fanfic when i got this notification. Simply put, in a genfic you're far more likely to find something organic and fresh— since there's no romance involved and it focuses on the characters and the story being told.

That said, i also relate VERY hard to loving a ship so much that you'll grit your teeth through the worst fic imaginable, hehe.

I feel the exact same way with what you said about feeling like a contrarian!

For a while, I was genuinely concerned I was being a dick, or had somehow suddenly become wildly homophobic just because I could never get into the popular, beaten to death, mlm ship it feels like every fandom has.

Though, since then, I've obviously realised i just prefer rarepairs! and for the exact reason a lot of people don't like them in the first place; there's a lack of content for them, and thus less of the character is lost in the hustle and bustle, and is free to be explored.

Speaking of the degeneration of canon in the face of fanon, alot of people tend to get into media through fandom, which while isn't necessarily a bad thing, greatly increases the generation loss phenomenon.

The post you sent captures my thoughts on this perfectly— i actually lost my mind at ‘the college coffee shop au’ line because both my hands and feet wouldn't be enough to count how many times I've been scrolling through ao3 and thought: ‘not another fucking college au by someone who only knows the characters though fanfiction.’

One in particular that comes to mind as I'm writing this that you may, or may not, know is the Batman fandom, which, even as a community with an unusually high abundance of genfic, nearly every single characterisation remains the same; absolutely nothing like the true source media.

It's such a prevalent problem that comic fans and fanon fans are nigh complete opposites when compared, and most of the other batman comic fans I know outwardly despise the fandom!

And while I do genuinely enjoy reading some cliche, fanon nonsense every once in a while, I can agree as well that these are simply just not the same characters. and that really grates on you after a while.

Related to the issue of people only knowing these characters through fanon and the misinformation it causes— is people using widely known headcanons as ‘gotcha!’ on posts. Fans presenting fanon like it's fact.

A good example of this would actually be Neuvifuri, with people claiming they're related when that's just… blatantly false. you're perfectly free to have a headcanon, but you've got to remember that it's a headcanon!

ah, went on a ramble there, guess i wanted to outdo you on the wordcount, ehm? anyway, my point is. yes. I absolutely agree on everything you said. 100%. my comrade in arms for REAL.

((ps: also on a side note, aspec means anyone on the asexual and/or aromantic spectrum! asexual-spectrum specific is acespec, and arospec is for those on the aromantic spectrum respectively. So i myself am 'maybe' aromantic as well, ehe!))