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sohotthateveryonedied · 2 years

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while were on the subject how long was jason dead for / how long before came back to gotham

Alrighty boys it's time for some MATH by a person who is very bad at math:

First things first, Jason died on April 27th at the age of fifteen.

Batman: A Death in the Family

He remains dead and in the coffin for six months. (There is a comic that shows Jason in heaven, but this comic came out in 2001 which is long after Jason should have been up and about if we follow the timeline, but I’m chocking this up to Jason still being dead as far as the writers knew at the time.)

Green Arrow (2001) #7

Six months after Jason’s death, he is resurrected when Superboy-Prime punches reality in Infinite Crisis and unravels certain events in time, one of these events being Jason’s death. Instead of changing it so the death never happened, Jason’s decaying corpse is reanimated.

Batman Annual #25

Jason wakes up in the coffin and digs himself out with a belt buckle from his funeral suit.

Batman Annual #25

Jason still retains the injuries from the crowbar and explosion, so he suffers from some pretty intense brain damage which has him stumbling around Gotham for twelve and a half miles, completely catatonic. Some people find him and take him to the hospital where he falls into a coma.

Batman Annual #25

Jason stays in the coma for a year before he wakes up. Still relatively brain-dead, his instincts kick in and he escapes from the hospital.

Batman Annual #25

Then Jason spends a year (or five months, if you prefer the timeline established in Red Hood: The Lost Days) on the streets, running entirely on instinct from both his Robin training and from the years he spent on the streets before being adopted by Bruce.

Batman Annual #25

Talia al Ghul gets word of Jason being alive and has him taken to the League of Assassins compound. He stays there for another year, still catatonic and running solely on instinct. His body is in perfect fighting shape, but his mind is mush.

Batman Annual #25

To restore his mind, Talia dunks Jason in the Lazarus Pit, healing all of his injuries (and erasing all of his scars, according to RHATO).

Batman Annual #25

Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016) #50

Jason spends further time with Talia, studying from a multitude of trainers Talia hires to prep Jason for when he confronts Bruce. We can assume this takes a year or so? It’s said that Jason spends more or less a month with each trainer, so I’m going with a year. Over this time, Jason hones his skills and stokes the fire of his resentment for Bruce not avenging him by killing Joker/replacing him with a new Robin.

Red Hood: The Lost Days #2

Red Hood: The Lost Days #4

Then there’s that weird thing where Jason and Talia sleep together, but we’re ignoring that. Jason takes off for Gotham to go beat up his dad. He meets up with Hush and teams up with him in exchange for telling him Batman’s identity. This is a moment fans tend to get confused about: Jason was there for the 2003 Hush storyline. Yes, Clayface was pretending to be Jason, but only for the end of the fight with Bruce. Everything before that was all Jason. He kidnapped Tim, confronted and fought Bruce, and then fled, leaving Bruce to assume that the whole thing was a ruse and Jason was still dead. However, Bruce knew from this point on that Jason’s grave was empty and his body was missing.

Batman #618

Jason lies low in Gotham for a bit before the Under the Hood storyline starts in 2004, which I assume is anywhere from six months to a year in canon? It’s unclear exactly how long the gap is, but Hush happened a year prior in real time, so I’m working around that. It’s finally revealed to everyone that Jason is back from the dead, he confronts Bruce, tries to kill the Joker, etc. And the rest is history.

Batman #648

Taking all of this into account, we can determine that Jason regains consciousness roughly 3.5 years (or just 3 years if you go by the RH:LD timeline) after his death, he returns to Gotham 4.5 years after (or just 4 years), and Jason being alive is revealed to everyone around 5-5.5 years after his death, which would make him roughly 19-20 years old.

#lay it on me papa bob #jason todd #red hood #robin #batman #batfamily #batfam #under the red hood #red hood the lost days #dc comics #bruce wayne #talia al ghul #soho reads comics #get your comic references kids

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iphoenixrising · 11 months

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Masterlist 3

Tim-centric con't

Red Robin tweaks: BatDad & Boomerang | Fallen (What if Dick didn't catch Tim | Kon catches Tim

Tim Drake Week: Day 2: Sick Bird| Day 6 (Firefly fusion) | Day 7 (Injury/Healing)

Whirlybird!!!! BABE MADE ME A WHIRLYBIRD & HC

Kid!Tim: De-Aged!Tim: Not trusting the BatFam ... but the Titans | Kid!Tim works (Different ways Tim joins the Bats earlier):Tiny!Tim au on Ao3 | Kid!Tim is discovered by Robin!Jason & Window Seat & Tiny!Tim au: The Fever & Tiny!Tim and the Secret (for 500 Followers!) & Tiny!Tim and The Wrong Bus | Tiny!Tim and Tiny!Peter ask | Home for Tiny Birds (Convergence w/ NHFDB!Tim): One & Two | Jason's Death (HCs): One & Two & Three

Converging the AUs:

"Feels" by iphoenixrising , a graphic by Miss Coco Chips | Convergence

Home for Tiny Birds: NHFDB!Tim visits Tiny!Tim

Fracture!Tim meets Talon!Tim & Dr!Tim | Sated (NSFW HC)

Fracture: the Multiverse & Future!AU

Boy All the Bad Guys Want:

Pamphlets: One (based on this ) & Two

Joker Junior: One & Two

Jean Paul One & Two

Talon!AU: in which Tim is a Talon & RR without Tim & Mindfuckery & Titans on the Hunt | Gray Son must Die (in which babe wrote most of the thing) & Functionally Immortal & Brainwashed, Hurting, Dissociating, Angry, and Lost & the Assassin & the Talon | Refuge w/ Shiva & A Killer | Rebuilt & vs Fracture!Tim

Dr!Tim (DickTimJay; in which Tim is a trauma surgeon and DickJay are vigilantes)

Meta: on AO3 | Art in which I cry with joy | How it all Began (light NSFW) | Follow-Up

The Submissive & Safeword (HC) & Safewords Out & Sub-Drop | Not Safewording Ask | Annnd Consequences

London Bridge: is Falling & (Missing Scene) & Afterward w/ guest star, Tony Stark!

That whole thing at Arkham Dr!Tim and Arkham Riots: One & Two | Arkham Breakout | But, that's not all Dr!Tim and Fear

Tony Stark in Dr!Tim: The Surgeon, The Captain, and the Soldier (for 600 followers!) | SteveTonyBucky (for 700 followers!)

BatFam Prompts, Drabbles, & Thoughts

Interest (see also "DickTimJay: Destroyed")

SuperBats

Fic Recs: Funeral & Dr Oz by awkwardbluefish Calling It by reallyautomaticvoid

Damian

Headcanons: on Tim & Shiva | Characterization | as a Boyfriend and NSFW specifically w/ Jason and also with Dick

Dami and ...: Dick & Tim at the Arcade | Tim & Don't panic, but we accidentally got marries | Comfort | Robin's Redemption (for 400 followers!)

Fic Rec: DamiTim by hauntedlittledoll

DamiTim Nurse Tim! Robin!Dami WIP on Ao3 | Concept | Alph!Dami/Alph!Jon/Omega!Tim: The original ask| Tim & Dami

Night Sky

Jason

Jason Todd's mouth & Languages (HC) | Jason's Accent & its inspiration

v. the Pit and then I saw Counting Bodies like Sheep

Misc: Jason, the Outlaws, and the Joker | Crochet | RHatO #25!UA | Silence (tw warning: major character death) | Bottom Jason Todd Week: Daddy Kink, Rare pair Jay/Thomas Elli Heavy in your Arms: One & Two (Angst; Based off the song with the same title by Florence + the Machine)

Marvel

Misc

Miraculous Ladybug Play | The Way to His Heart

Check Please!Check Please WIP | WIP 2

Voltron: all because of satire-please Team Dynamics | Left Behind | Waking | You, Not the Lion

#masterlist #masterlist 3 #winter writes #we have some fics here

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suzukiblu · 5 months

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you have so many wips that it seems unlikely, haha, but do you have any timkon ideas that you want to see written but don’t want to (or haven’t been able to) write yourself?

. . . technically there IS a very concrete Timkon idea in my head I haven't tried to write any of yet that is very well-developed and fully plotted out, I just don't know if I wanna invest the time in it 'cuz a) it's pretty bittersweet and b) it'd probably end up kinda long unless I cut a bunch of stuff. But the basic idea is Kon gets dumped in an alternate reality where he did NOT come back to life after Superboy Prime happened to him, Tim did NOT fuck up the re-cloning process, and it does not occur to literally anyone there that he might be, like, himself and not just borderline-supervillain Tim's latest attempt at making a clone who's "Kon" enough. Including, like. Tim.

Also maybe that "Kryptonian mating cycle meets Timkon" idea we were talking about on here in a few asks, I like that one a looooot and it's fucking cute, haha. Or maybe just a Timkon clonebaby AU in general. Otherwise, though, I don't THINK there's any other ideas currently circling my brain?

Generally speaking the fandom could always use more bottom or omega Kon just all the time, though. I'd LOVE to see people write more of both of those, hah. Or just like, more Kon-centric stuff in general in the Timkon genre, because don't get me wrong, I love Tim, but MAN it is a lot easier to find fic that's about HIM than it is to find fic that's about Kon or equally about both of them, it feels like.

#astralscar #meta ecetera #omegaverse

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michaeljoncarter · 8 months

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NEW KRYPTON SAGA READING ORDER

because the new krypton tpb only collects one of the several books this story ran across after the initial crossover arc ends, and i haven't been able to find a reading guide anywhere that actually includes all the comics from this era, which is a shame! this story was fun and is (imo!!) a pretty good place to start with the superfam (... though i may just be biased because it's where i started)

so here, for posterity, to maybe help somebody not have to struggle their way through this on context clues and prayer:

first and foremost, a bit of leadup so you know how we got here, who these people are, and wtf they're talking about

first, Superman: Last Son for the introduction of the new, post-infinite crisis version of general zod (& christopher kent):

Action Comics #844 - 846, #851, Annual #11

Action Comics Annual #10 is not usually considered an actual part of this arc, as far as i can tell, but i HIGHLY recommend reading it specifically for the 2nd (Who Is Clark Kent's Big Brother?) and 4th (The Criminals of Krypton) stories, which are the post-infinite crisis origins of mon-el & general zod, respectively. they're both major players in the New Krypton saga, and their backgrounds will be referenced quite a lot

then, Superman: Brainiac for the introduction of post-infinite crisis brainiac, kandor, and all the setup:

Action Comics #866 - 870

much less crucially, we also have the Coming of Atlas arc in Superman #677 - 680. it introduces atlas, a way less important villain who kicks around for the first little bit. he's... generic. you can read these issues if you want. they are technically leadup to New Krypton, but you really won't be missing much if you just skip straight to the action

and now on to the main event:

Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen Special #1

Superman: New Krypton Special

Superman #681

Action Comics #871

Adventure Comics Special Featuring the Guardian

Supergirl (2005) #35

Superman #682

Action Comics #872

Supergirl (2005) #36

Superman #683

Action Comics #873

Superman #684

Action Comics #874

Superman #685

from here, everybody kinda splits off and does their own thing for a while. and i personally find it much less confusing & annoying to read each character's little arc in its own chunk rather than bounce between the issues in the order they were published, SO:

Superman: World of New Krypton #1 - 5

Action Comics #875 - 879, Annual #12

Superman #686 - 690, Superman Secret Files 2009, Annual #14

Supergirl (2005) #37 - 43, Annual #1

the Codename: Patriot crossover:

Superman: World of New Krypton #6

Action Comics #880

Supergirl (2005) #44

Superman #691

Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen Special #2

and then back to individual arcs:

Superman #692 - 695

Superman: World of New Krypton #7 - 12

Adventure Comics (2009) #1 - 3, #5 - 6 (kon joins the fray. #4 is a superboy prime/legion-only issue, and #7 is a Blackest Night tie-in. you can ofc read them you want, but they are both unrelated to everything going on here. also, in #5, kon's story is the SECOND feature instead of the first. feel free to skip straight to it if you're not interested in the continuation of the superboy prime story)

the Hunt for Reactron crossover:

Action Comics #881

Supergirl (2005) #45

Action Comics #882

Supergirl (2005) #46

kara goes off and does her own thing, and the action comics & superman titles enter their own little crossover:

Supergirl (2005) #47 - 50

Action Comics #883 - 885

Superman #696 - 697

Action Comics #886 - 889

World's Finest (2009) also fits in here… somewhere. i can't figure out exactly where, but it's definitely before everything that comes after this, so... we're just gonna put it here and hope for the best

and from that, on to the finale:

Adventure Comics (2009) #8

Superman: Last Stand of New Krypton #1

Supergirl (2005) #51

Superman #698

Adventure Comics (2009) #9

Superman: Last Stand of New Krypton #2

Adventure Comics (2009) #10

Supergirl (2005) #52

Superman #699

Superman: Last Stand of New Krypton #3

Adventure Comics (2009) #11

Superman: War of the Supermen #0 - 4

after this, Superman #700 serves as a sort of epilogue, and that's it! you're done! you survived New Krypton! congrats 🎉

#comic recs #superfam #long post #i think i got everything in the right order??#but let me know if you find anything off #because i am nothing if not dyslexic

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connanro · 10 months

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i’m sure someone has made this list before. but i’ve recently reread the robin (1993-2009) comics and realised how Batshit Crazy tim’s time as robin was. here’s a list of major events that happened during his tenure:

obeah man???: still not clear on exactly what happened here, but his parents are both poisoned, resulting in his mom’s death and his dad’s long-term coma.

knightfall/knightquest/knightsend: the iconic arc when bane breaks bruce’s back and azrael (derogatory) temporarily becomes batman then quickly goes off the rails and tries to kill tim, forcing him to go solo and work with huntress (hashtag girlboss) before bruce returns and handles azrael

contagion: the incurable Apocalypse Virus™ threatens to wipe out gotham city and tim naturally catches it and nearly dies before bruce returns with The Cure

the final night: a sun-eater tries to Eat The Sun. tim meets impulse! robin and spoiler defend gotham city on their own during the crisis! tim’s girlfriend’s crazy mafia uncle tries to kill him after finding them in bed together (not doing the sexy. but it looked like they were gonna do it.)

cataclysm: a massive earthquake levels half of gotham, throwing the city into crisis and causing some problems in tim’s personal life as his father relocates them to keystone briefly before tim’s misery convinces him to move them back to gotham

no man’s land (a personal favourite): gotham’s post-earthquake crisis worsens and the government decides that the best solution is to declare it no man’s land. shockingly, this causes Even More Problems. there’s a whole thing where tim’s dad realises tim snuck off into the city, and the news about it makes people sympathetic enough to gotham’s (cough a rich white family’s) plight that the government decides to actually help. cass becomes batgirl!

young justice/teen titans drama!: so much went on here. i don’t even know where to begin. the whole imperiex/our worlds at war apocalyptic crisis. tim quits young justice after the thing where the justice league discovers batman’s Super Paranoid Contingency Plans™ causes the team to distrust him. he returns to the team, which is disbanded after a team-up with the titans goes badly. the teen titans is formed. general fuckery involving tim’s civilian life!

unmasked: tim’s dad finds out he’s robin, confronts batman in the batcave with a gun and forces tim to quit. steph becomes robin and cuts off contact with tim. superboy tries to convince tim to come back to teen titans, but tim insists that he’s Totally Happy Just Being A Civilian, Kon. Really. He’s Less Stressed Now That He’s Not Dealing With Constant Crises! (lying)

war games: oh god. we all know this one. gang war! gotham in peril! steph dies! tim meets evil!future batman!tim who murdered the entire rogue gallery with the gun that killed bruce’s parents. tim seriously considers killing himself to prevent this future.

identity crisis: a Mysterious Villain begins targeting families of the justice league. because tim is not allowed to have anything remotely nice, his dad is murdered (by captain boomerang, which is frankly adding insult to injury). tim invents an uncle to avoid getting adopted by bruce (really, kid? really?). bruce finds out and helps him solidify the fake uncle's identity (bruce no)

robin: to kill a bird: jason todd returns all crazy and nearly kills tim at titans’ tower (dressed in a version of his robin costume) and signs his name in tim’s blood. theatre kid much, jason?

infinite crisis: c’mon dc, you’ve done like four world-ending crises in the last decade. chill your goddamn tits. the teen titans, doom patrol, and justice society of america team up to take down superboy prime. normal superboy dies due to the fight, despite tim’s desperate attempt to find a cure. also bludhaven got nuked and tim’s stepmother gets a traumatic brain injury and is permanently hospitalised. then bruce, tim, and dick go on vacation and tim accepts bruce’s offer to adopt him! yay!

one year later: cass is briefly evil! the league of assassins tries to recruit tim, who barely escapes with his life after turning them down. then he goes a little crazy with grief, tries to clone kon, and has a brief relationship with extreme violence before deciding to break it off.

the resurrection of ra’s al ghul: damian arrives in gotham! and tries to kill tim multiple times! ra’s tries to seduce tim to the Dark Side with the promise of resurrecting his parents! tim refuses! ra’s tries to force bruce to sacrifice either tim or damian to become his new host body! tim tries to sacrifice himself but is convinced by dick to Not Do That at the last minute!

batman r.i.p.: bruce dies, but not really! fun times!

battle for the cowl: i like to pretend this doesn’t exist, because it is Stupid As Fuck. jason nearly kills tim again, but damian (!) rescues him.

red robin: dick makes damian robin. the end!

but not really

and then of course the whole red robin series (which i love) is just like. tim is passively suicidal! tim loses an entire important organ while working with the loa! tim becomes ceo of wayne enterprises then blows up the loa and ra’s almost kills him! tim is nearly raped by one of ra’s’ daughters because ra’s really wants tim’s babies! this is not dealt with at all!!! love that for him

#tim drake #robin #red robin #batman #batfam #dc #conpost

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dc-polls · 4 months

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"That Really Happened?!" DC Comics Tournament Round 3 - Match C1

[ID: Two images of cropped comics panels. The first is Superboy Prime punching through a glass-like barrier with gritted teeth. The second image is four versions of Donna Troy Wonder Girl looking annoyed. /END]

Moving on from their rounds against Young Justice and Disappointment we have...

Superboy-Prime Punches Time

Bob Haney Doesn't Know Who Wonder Girl Was Supposed to Be

Make sure to follow the links above and check the notes to read more about each event!

Which one is more shocking, unbelievable or just plain wild?

As always you can find all posts related to the tournament using #dc-polls-trh

#dc-polls-trh #dc comics #superboy prime #donna troy #wonder girl

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floof-writes · 1 year

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Officially Declaring War On The Canon V Fanon Debate in DC (it's fundamentally flawed, they are interdependent)

"Actually in canon" "fanon always gets this wrong" "Dick's the golden child" "Jason's the golden child" "In canon Alfred's an enabler" "Actually Bruce is abusive" "Hate when people pretend Tim cared about Jason as a kid"

Look, if being in the DC fandom has taught me anything, it's that canon has so many retcons and reboots that they made up an in-universe mechanic for when the world resets. Why are we pretending that Fanon is anything less than another branch of this world? Golden Age, Silver Age, Pre-New 52, Fanon. Who are we to say that if Superboy Prime punched reality hard enough or Flash fucked up enough, we wouldn't end up here anyway? Comics as a medium are messy and worked on by hundreds of people across the decades.

DC comics is almost a century old. The Justice League wasn't always called that and Batman wasn't always part of it, there's a Batman rogue named 'Condiment King' and one of his most recent appearances was in a fucking LEGO movie, Dick is named Dick. These characters and their stories are living artifacts- time capsules of decades long gone, but also undergoing constant and soul-deep change.

Moral of the story: If DC canon is your golden standard then you're measuring against a piece of cooked spaghetti.

And we expect canon to evolve, to be inconsistent. When they made Dick they didn't know about Jason, when they made Jason they didn't know there would be a Tim, and when they made Tim they didn't know Jason would come back. These characters are inherently fluid because they weren't created with each other in mind, so when the Batfam is all together today, their characterizations are adjusted to make them a more interesting group for the given storyline and genre. Canon has always just been an attempt at expanding on and experimenting with what has already been built, and it has always been influenced by the fans of the time. The most famous example being the phone in vote on Jason Todd's death that literally defines canon today. Characters are killed and resurrected and given comic runs based entirely on popular demand. Fans and fanon have power- and rightly so.

DC canon is simply the constant interpretation and reinvention of the work of hundreds of artists and writers over the years, all compiled into this conglomeration of Stuff- and guess what? That's exactly what fanon is.

"Fanon loses their mind when they see actual complexity" Guess what? Storytelling is based on archetypes. Fanon isn't a 'dumb it down' machine- it's a purifier. It boils things down to their essence. It takes the contradictory, awful, beautiful mess that is canon and turns it into something usable. Fanon characters tend to be an approximate average of all the different interpretations, and they separate the characters into the parts that people find the most compelling. It identifies the pieces of a character that define it to the audience and gives canon something reliable to work off of the next time they decide to rewrite the universe.

And yes, often times Fanon doesn't make it out without a heavy dose of optimism. The erasure of certain abuses, the resolution of certain arguments. Because let's face it: moral grayness is Uncomfy. And people engage in fandom largely for comfort- that is one of the main functions of all entertainment. In other forms of media, problems are given finality. Complexity is given a rest with an ending, happy or not- but comic books don't do that, and in the next run with the next writer they may just ignore it happened at all. Fanon's rose tinted glasses aren't always rose, sometimes they're a sickly green- it's just that to write the next story with nuance you have to have a solid starting point.

I'm not denying the power of working within the restraints of a predefined timeline, nor the power of something being officially canon. Returning to the source material can inspire new nuance, new details, new opportunities- but using the source material to disqualify nuance made by fanon is counterproductive and frankly dumb. We're all building off of eachother- why are you retconning something that existed only as an experiment? It's important to acknowledge that an audience is half the art, and once something is published, there's no way to take it back and make it definitionally pure again. It is the property of all those who consume it.

TL;DR- 1. Canon is absolutely fucked anyway. 2. Fanon and canon have always been and will always be intertwined and interdependent.

#dc comics #dcu #batfam #meta #discourse #fanon vs canon

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stealingyourbones · 2 years

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With your explanation of Darkside in another post, some things have occurred to me...

Darksiders real body is in the ghost zone, it could be Paria Dark's subconscious when she is in the sarcophagus or even something hidden in the darkest depths of the zone...

The only way to completely stop Darkside is to find the original body.

if you wanna simply ignore what I say and read an explanation much more concise and to the point than my own: take a gander at this website.

What you first got to understand is this: "Darkseid is". That isn't me cutting myself off. Darkseid is everything that is, has been, or will be. Darkseid is all encompasing and all powerful. Darkseid. Is.

Darkseid is quite literally infintely powerful. Dude has no power cap in his true form. he is the Ultimate Enemy. He is the Anti-Life Equation. He is The End. His body exists outside the universe itself... It depends on the version but Darkseid exists in either two places: The Source Wall or The Sphere of Gods.

Let me pull up a snazzy little diagram.

This is the DC multiverse. Feel free to take a gander cause some of these color choices are raw dogshit like cmon'. White on yellow? really fun and easy to read right there.

anyways. What we gotta figure out is where the Ghost Zone goes in this map. I heavily believe that the Ghost Zone would exist in the Underworld since it's an afterlife. You could advocate that it may exist in Limbo.

My main issue is that I really don't get the comics that say that Darkseid's true self is in the Sphere of Gods cause like,,,, where the fuck is he then? He isn't on Apokolips because that's where his avatar is.

I much prefer that his consciousness is within the Source Wall. What's past the Source Wall you may ask? Your answer? Very fucking convoluted. Added a link that will explain it better than I ever will because there are so so so many variations to what's past the Source Wall. Superboy Prime, with the power of the AntiMonitor, punched the Source Wall so hard that it caused ripples in the fabric of reality. It basically was to fix DC continuity plotholes, merge every universe into a singular universe to simplify comic lore, and to bring Jason Todd back to life. That's a tad off topic but my point is that The Source Wall is fucking powerful. If Darkseid is inside the Source Wall then attempting to destroy Darkseid would be detrimental to every universe.

Ok now with that out of the way, onto Pariah Dark. Fun Fact: Pariah Dark was based on Darkseid. The parallels aren't even subtle. My thought is that Pariah Dark is most likely an avatar of Darkseid.

If we entertain the idea that Pariah Dark is the True Form of Darkseid, why did he allow himself to get defeated? He Cannot Be Beaten. Was it to trick Danny into letting his guard down while he takes over the Ghost Zone stealthily? If his true form is Pariah, well Danny already dispatched the guy. If his true form is just somewhere in the Ghost Zone, how does Danny defeat an All Powerful being?

#danny phantom #dp x dc #dc comics #writing prompts #dp x dc prompt #bones replies #mikami1992 #Darkseid Is #sorry for correcting you my dude I hope to god this doesn't sound rude #Just wanted to clarify how powerful Darkseid truly is and where he is in the universe #bones ramble

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givemewallywestorgivemedeath · 2 years

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The first episode of Dick's arc was figuring out the case. I bet that the second one will be getting there (ending with them entering the zone). The third will be them finding Conner. The fourth and fifth will be the final battle and them escaping.

On the PZ side of things, I bet next episode things will get bad for Conner and Phantom Girl. Phantom Girl is in a perilous situation and she has to be extremely careful how she handles everything. Something will go wrong. She'll explain the situation to Conner and they'll overhear her or she'll try to escape with Conner and they'll fail. Then the third episode will be them in extreme danger or them trying to escape. They'll meet up with the gang and from there the PZ plot will merge with Dick's plot.

For the Legion plotline next episode Lor will be trying to get the Kaiser Thrall. I really don't think Bart will just sit back and let that happen. I think, together, Bart and Bioship are going to attempt to take down Lor before they get there. I can see a situation like this happening:

In the comics when Superboy Prime attacked and killed Conner, Bart ran him into the speedforce to trap him there. Barry emerged out of it (back from the dead) to help Bart.

There isn't a speedforce in Young Justice but I think that subspace could work in a similar fashion. All Bart and Bioship need to do is open a hole in the floor and shove him in. Bart would probably get stuck in there as well. I can see that being the ending of the next episode.

I'm not sure if they would make it immediately obvious that Wally was in there or if they would wait till the next episode. Regardless, I think we have Bart stuck in the time stream and finding Wally alive in the third episode of Dick's arc (Zenith and Abyss). Lor either manages to not be pushed in by Bart and travels to the Phantom Zone via the Kaiser Thrall or he is in there and he escapes with Bart and Wally when they inevitably make it to the Phantom Zone as well. Once in the Zone I think that the plotlines will merge into one for the final two episodes.

#dick grayson #nightwing #Robin #conner kent #phantom Girl #superboy #wally west #kid flash #the flash #bart allen #impulse #lor zod #young justice season 4 #young justice phantoms #yjs4 #young justice #yj spoilers #yj theory

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ao3feed-timkon · 1 year

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Papa Don't Preach

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/LyUJqCr

by IDontUnderstandThatReference

When Conner died fighting Superboy Prime, he left more than just a heartbroken Tim behind.

Faced with being a single teen parent, Tim has to struggle between the loss of his father, his two closest friends, and the love of his life. Then Bruce is gone, and Robin is taken from him as well.

Betrayed by what remains of his family, Tim happily stays away, vowing to his son that he will never have to be exposed to the Bats. After all, they never cared for Tim; why would he think they would care about his child? So far, he's been lucky, not having run into any of the Bats despite still living in Gotham.

Sure, his luck was bound to run out eventually, but he hoped his son would at least be old enough to talk when it did.

Or; 5 times Tim has no choice but to introduce his son to a member of his family, +3 times he does so gladly.

Words: 3485, Chapters: 1/8, Language: English

Fandoms: Red Robin (Comics), Batman - All Media Types

Rating: Not Rated

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: Gen, M/M

Characters: Tim Drake, Kon-El | Conner Kent, Original Child(ren) of Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Damian Wayne, Titus | Damian Wayne's Dog, Dick Grayson, Stephanie Brown, Bruce Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Alfred Pennyworth, Roy Harper, Lian Harper, Leslie Thompkins, Duke Thomas, Ra's al Ghul, Bart Allen (mentioned), Legion Of Super-Heroes (mentioned), Diana Prince (mentioned), Hal Jordan (mentioned), Clark Kent, Ma Kent (mentioned), Jon Lane Kent (mentioned)

Relationships: Tim Drake/Kon-El | Conner Kent, Roy Harper/Jason Todd (Background)

Additional Tags: Mpreg, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Angst with a Happy Ending, Time Travel (Mentioned), Childbirth, graphic childbirth, Child Endangerment (briefly), Single Parent Tim Drake, good parent Bruce Wayne, Secret Relationship, but it isn't the main focus of the plot, Tim Drake is Red Robin, C-PTSD, Tim Drake has C-PTSD, Fight me on it, can be read as trans Tim Drake, because there's never a specification to him being cisgender, so can be seen as tmpreg, tmpreg, don't come at me for that author is trans masc FtM, not great brothers dick Jason and Damian, but they make up for it later, they're all good uncles tho, Cass and Duke are the only unproblematic bats and we stan, Creepy Ra's al Ghul

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#IFTTT #ao3feed #fanfic #timkon

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havendance · 6 months

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Infinite Crisis Thoughts

At long last, I am sitting down and writing these out. Under a cut because it's a big event and required lots of words.

Overall I had fun and I’m glad I read it. It was huge and sprawling and had a couple hundred tie-ins of varying relevance that doubled back on plot points. It felt like the embodiment of everything a comics event could be and it was epic for it. It’s got a scope to it! Crossover your entire universe! It’s the sort of thing you can do with comics and the interconnectedness of it all.

In terms of plots I read the OMAC project stuff and the Villains United stuff, and largely ignored/didn’t seek out the Rann-Thangar War and Day of Judgement plotlines

The Wonder Woman storyline was by far the standout. (Greg Rucka my beloved. I am looking forward to getting to his run in my Wonder Woman readthrough).

Something that I did think was interesting was the fact that it ends with Themiscyra gone, sealed away, and Diana left alone in Man’s World. Rucka pulls the same move in his rebirth Wonder Woman run. (Though that one was also doing some heavy duty work to retcon whatever was going on with the new 52 amazons. (I don’t know, I didn’t read it. But I can that it was bad from how much they had to retcon it away.)).

It is, I think, a very compelling place to put Diana in. At least, I find it compelling. And he was able to build off of the idea more in his rebirth run whereas I don’t know how it’s followed up on in post-crisis.

Anyway, if I had a nickel for every time…

The OMAC stuff was also fun (Thanks again Rucka.) We get more Sasha. We get Bruce ruining things for everyone.

Just the whole ‘Everything’s going wrong for everyone at once.’ that was going on the whole event. That’s what makes it a crisis! It was just really neat seeing how it built up bit by bit.

And then you also have the meta aspect with the earth two heroes and them watching everything go wrong and using that as their basis to rewrite everything ever.

Superboy prime is punching reality and there are clearly retcons going down in real time but sue me if I can’t figure out what any of them are.

Uhhh what else

RIP to Ratcatcher for being the first random person to get killed off in Infinite Crisis #1. No one’s going to miss you.

My favorite superman comic from the event was the one where got nuked and it did this thing I absolutely love where they put the in universe characters alongside the actual creators in the credits:

Of course it was written by Lois Lane… Rucka just gave her a voice…

I read exactly one Firestorm issues (#20). I found that I did not care about the new Firestorm (unsurprisingly) but this was also the first time I’d encountered Animal Man and I came out of the comic seized by the need to read more of his comics

Anyway I’m like 7 issues in Morrison’s Animal Man run and while I found his JLA run boring and have heard, uh, many things most of them poor about his Batman writing, his Animal Man writing is very fun so far!

Animal Man tangent over

I did not get around to reading the Green Arrow tie ins which I probably should’ve. Oh well, I’ll come back to that whenever I get around to reading Green Arrow Comics again.

I also skipped the Aquaman (some day I will figure out how to dip my toes in there) and Hawkman comics

And also probably others but those are the ones that come to mind

I also liked the teen titans Nightwing and Superboy team up issue.

I am confused as to what all went down with Bart and the Flash side of things but also maybe some day I will read flash comics

So many comics to read so little time

I am curious as to the logistics of the swapping out Kon to die for Nightwing thing that I know happened. Because in Infinite Crisis #6 Superboy directly stops superboy prime from killing Nightwing. But then Nightwing also jumps in front of Bruce to save him later which also could’ve been a prime moment for him to die. Don’t know if anyone knows anything about that.

But yeah! Infinite Crisis! Now it’s time for me to meander my way through one year later stuff.

#dc #infinite crisis #havendance reads comics #carthago delenda est

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thevindicativevordan · 1 year

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What is your opinion on Injustice Superman becoming a canon immigrant? Do youthink is a good perspective on the character or a figure who has damaged the perception of the wider public on Superman?

Most popular DC Elseworld since Kingdom Come getting canonized was inevitable, but shouldn't come as a shock I'm not jumping for joy. We've already seen a "normal" Clark come face to face with Murderman, and the Earth 0 incarnation has faced down countless evil versions of himself, Murderman is small time compared to Superboy-Prime. Only crossover potential left at this point is what they're doing, with Jon being the one to go to the Injustice Earth.

The Superman who lost his wife and son, who went nuts because of that, coming face to face with the son he lost who is Superman himself? Probably alongside Taylor's OC Superdaughter Lara, who is Superwoman for her world, and thus she shows another potential future he was denied? Sure that could be poignant but it won't be. Either Murderman sees the two of them, cries, and gives up like he did in the animated Injustice movie (the one great improvement they made on the source material imo), or more predictably he freaks out. Jon and Lara will tell him to stop, Murderman will attack them while screaming that all the people he killed he did in vengeance for them, then they beat him up and put him in jail. Either it's something we've already seen, or it will end up being another affirmation that Murderman is irredeemable.

One theory I saw is that this will be what causes Jon to abandon his "why don't we do more" attitude (which Taylor already did nothing with). He meets a version of his dad who tried to change the world in the most horrific way possible, it causes him to give up his slacktivism ways, and he settles for operating the same way his dad has. Sadly that's probably exactly what will happen, it's almost funny that Clark himself has lived up better to the idea of being "the Superman who does more" than his son who was advertised with that exact tagline. Jon faces the eternal question of "are the only two endgames for Superman to be a feckless bystander or a despot?" and I'm afraid that the answer Adventures of Superman will give will be "yes and I choose to be feckless."

#superman #jon kent #injustice

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parallelunivrses · 3 months

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Superboy (1994) #91

I cannot stop thinking about this issue

[ID: The first page shows Guardian and several soldiers on a battlefield. In the first panel, Guardian is standing tall in front of the battlefield. Text next to him read, “Instead… I find the voice, the one I’ve kept to myself since my first war... and I do my job. I say the words soldiers need to hear when they feel death whispering on the back of their necks. I talk to them from my blood about honor. Sacrifice. The families who will not survive if we try to return home unsuccessful. I convince them that it is perfectly acceptable for young men in the prime of their lives to die for their country..." Several panels show close ups of the soldiers listening intently, one of whom is crying silently. Guardian continues, "...and they thank me for it." The last panel is of all of them charging into battle together.

The second page shows them being shot down in a series of close up images while Guardian narrates what is happening. One soldier is shot through the chest, a look of shock on his face. Guardian says, "We run. Yards fall behind us, marked with blood." Another soldier is blown up through the chest as he is running, and he is yelling. Guardian says, "Though I know it's of little comfort, I can tell you with confidence that your son died quickly. Honorably. He feels no pain." Several more soldiers fall, blood and shrapnel surround them. Guardian continues, "He does not cry out." Guardian stands along surrounded by fallen bodies as he is continuously shot at. A look of determination is on his face. He says, "He closes his eyes and goes to sleep with the rest of the boys. D-Company falls fifteen yards short of target." End ID]

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random-movie-ideas · 5 months

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Superboy (Movie Outline)

And now for the last of our planned Superman movies set within a cinematic universe as of right now. This movie follows shortly after Steel, and pits Conner Kent/Superboy against our young Clark, displaced from another universe, and documents said young Clark’s fall to evil as Superboy-Prime, setting the stage for Infinite Crisis to take place.

We begin with Conner Kent in his bed on the Kents’ farm, tossing and turning as nightmares fill his head. He sees images of an angry fist punching at an invisible world between their reality and the other realities that no longer exist. With every punch, he sees flashes of another world, including images of a Lois, Jonathan, and Martha that aren’t the ones he knows, a white dog, a man building toys, a pink-skinned parasite, and a girl with lightning powers. Finally, he sees an angry but familiar face and jolts awake.

We then cut to the next day, when a ship is being launched from Earth, with the express purpose of returning to the ruins of the planet Krypton, to see what could be salvaged of the history of their people, as well as to attempt to terraform it and make it habitable again. Conner is there, with bags, being seen off by Jonathan and Martha, Lois and baby Jon, and John Henry and Natasha Irons. Emil Hamilton sees him off too, giving him a pack of “sun charges,” which contain collected yellow sunlight that will allow him to have powers there if he needs them.

Among those also departing are Conner’s “uncle” Zor-El, a human scientist named Anthony Ivo, a leader from the new Kryptonian colony of Daxam named Lar Gand, and the young Clark Kent from another universe. Conner greets Clark like a friend, while Clark acts shifty at first, but puts on a good smile, and they pair sit together as the ship takes off.

We will probably have a few scenes while on the journey, of Zor-El and Lar Gand telling stories from ancient Kryptonian history, and Anthony Ivo talking about researching all of the fascinating Kryptonian technology he hopes to find there. Ivo and Clark seem to know each other, but Conner just brushes it off. He still deals with the same nightmares on the way.

Once they arrive on the planet, we get a scene of them all stepping out onto the barren wasteland. Conner goes first, and he gets to explore the real Kryptonian homeworld for the first time. Clark follows after, and starts wandering out on his own while the others start setting up camp. He works his way up into the mountains, accidentally stumbling across a white Kryptonian dog turned feral after all these years alone. Believing it to be Krypto, Clark tries to chase it, and in the process, stumbles across and activates an ancient Kryptonian robot called the Eradicator.

The Eradicator immediately detects and targets the camp around the ship and heads for them. It attacks, prompting Conner to activate one of his sun charges, gaining his superpowers back and facing off against the Eradicator, quickly defeating it and ripping out its power core. Anthony Ivo shows an almost concerning fascination with the machine, while Clark is awed by the sun charges at Conner’s belt.

Zor-El and Lar Gand both explain what an Eradicator is, ancient robots built by a militant warlord to “wipe out corruption” which they ended up interpreting as nearly all Kryptonians, and were ultimately shut down and buried. It seemed that some had been unearthed. Later that night, Conner goes to sleep, and deals with intense nightmares again, only to be awoken by someone wearing armor that looks a lot like the Anti-Monitor. The armored person quickly produces a shard of Kryptonite and places it on his chest, then steals all of his sun charges. Thanks to the Kryptonite, Conner is unable to go after them.

The next morning, Conner is found by Zor-El, and he tells him what happened. Lar Gand, the leader of the camp is disturbed by this news, that someone in their camp would do such a thing. Clark seems confused about it all, but sympathetic to Conner’s plight. Conner decides to investigate.

Several days go by, and their project seems to be working. Zor-El’s attempts to terraform the planet prove fruitful, and the crew all work together to expand the camp and make strides to revive the planet. We see several scenes of Conner and Clark becoming close friends and bonding with each other. Clark tells Conner stories about his old universe and how much he misses everyone he cared about. Conner is taken aback a little when some of the things he describes match elements of his nightmares. Meanwhile, Conner’s nightmares become more and more intense as the days go by.

As they work, Zor-El starts to notice strange readings cropping up around the planet, like several Eradicators being activated every night, then just as suddenly going offline. He also detects readings that seem similar to the fluctuations between universes during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Conner looks into this more and more, noticing strange behavior from both Clark and Professor Ivo. He decides to investigate a lead-lined part of the ship normally closed off (Ivo had consistently told them that was the engine). Inside, he finds Clark and Professor Ivo working together on what Conner recognizes, from reading about it, as the device Ultraman had built in order to tear a hole between dimensions. It seemed to have been repaired by them. He also notices the Anti-Monitor suit hanging on one wall.

Later that night, Conner invites Clark to sit and chat with him. Clark does, and they talk. Conner gets onto the topic of Kryptonite, mentioning that he’d done a little reading and figured out that Kryptonite from this universe doesn’t affect Clark, and points out that he hid the shard under his chair. Lar Gand and the other Kryptonians surround them, telling Clark that he’s under arrest. Clark looks scared and panics, screaming at them that they don’t know what it’s like to lose their home and family forever. Zor-El says that he does. Clark points out that he still has his people, and that he’s out here, trying to restore his old home, so why is it so bad if he tries to restore his. They try to remind him of the devastation that had happened in the Crisis, but he doesn’t care. He pulls out a Sun Charge, uses it, and knocks everyone away, flying off into the distance.

The Kryptonians try to march on Ivo’s lab and destroy his work, but Ivo reveals a secret project he’d been working on behind Clark’s back. He had been taking the destroyed Eradicators, that he’d been having Clark awaken and destroy for their cores, and rebuilding them with his own tech, to create an army of machines called Amazos. The Amazos attack the camp, completely overwhelming the de-powered Kryptonians and humans. Ivo says he cannot let them destroy his work now, not when he’s about to become more powerful than any superheroes or supervillains ever were. He activates the machine and starts ripping a hole in the universe.

The Amazos take all of the camp hostage. Conner tries to fight them, but without his powers, he is helpless. He ends up running, an Amazo chasing him up into the mountains. Just as one’s about to catch him and kill him, Clark sees it and is about to step in, when the white feral dog leaps out and defends Conner from it. The Amazo pauses, then vaporizes the dog without a second’s hesitation. Clark flies into a rage, launching himself at the robot and letting Conner escape. The Amazo is able to overpower him for a moment, but Clark calls in the Anti-Monitor suit, which he had found at the same time he found the multiversal generator, and uses it to destroy the Amazo. Unbeknownst to him, one of his sun charges came loose and fell to the ground.

Clark flies back to the lab to see that all of the Kryptonians and crewmen have been taken hostage by the Amazos. Clark goes to Ivo and demands him to stop, saying they’ve gone too far. Ivo refuses, having suited up into an Amazo exoskeleton of his own, connected straight to the machine and drawing out multiversal power. Ivo tells Clark about a vision he experienced during the crisis, showing them that in one of the universes, he had been the most powerful man on Earth, and that he had overthrown the Justice League and killed them all. He had pretended to be helping Clark get his home back, but in reality, all he wanted was that.

Clark and Ivo fight, and eventually Clark manages to break through Ivo’s defenses, break his suit off of him, and fly him out of the compound, miles above the ground. As Ivo struggles in his grip, Clark remembers sparing the Toyman all those years ago, and all the other monsters and criminals he had spared because of his parents’ influence. Parents who were now gone, as well as all the criminals and all the people he’d been protecting. He finds himself unwilling to care anymore, and drops Ivo to his death.

Clark flies back down, destroying all the Amazos and telling the crew to run, to savor what is left of their existence because he’s going to get his universe back one way or another, and he doesn’t care what happens to this one. His universe will be the prime universe, and he will be the prime Superman. Lar Gand tries to fight him, but Clark powered by the yellow sun and the Anti-Monitor suit blasts him away without a struggle.

Zor-El and the others rush to the mountains, where they encounter Conner tending a wound. Zor-El tells him what happened, and Conner feels furious and betrayed. Zor-El talks him down, drawing from his own experience, remembering the things he felt when he learned his home was gone, imagining it must be so much worse for Clark because there is nothing left of his world, while he still had his wife and daughter. Conner realizes he needs to stop Clark but not kill him, pulling out the sun charge that Clark dropped.

Conner flies to the compound as Clark does his best to control the machine. Flashes of the universes wiped out in the Crisis flash by, including the 50s universe and several others. Conner arrives, punching Clark away from the controls and trying to shut it down. Clark fights him, the pair clashing back and forth. Clark mostly overpowers Conner, thanks to his Anti-Monitor armor. Getting the upper hand, Clark gets to the controls and manages to find his universe, seeing Jonathan and Martha and Lois and Krypto and Leslie and everyone he loved. He tries to cross through, when the world around him starts warping, as does the world where all of his family is. He tries to touch the portal and is thrown back by the sheer power of it.

Conner tells him it’s not going to work. He’s just going to start another Crisis, and then both of their universes will be destroyed. Clark shouts that there’s a chance that his universe will be the one to survive, and Conner replies that they don’t know that, and even if it is, then this universe and all the people in it will be destroyed, and this time, the blood will be all on his head, and all those people he loves will know exactly what he did. He asks if they’d be proud of him, what they’d want him to do? Clark tearfully says he just wants to see his family again.

Cursing, Clark launches himself at the machine, trying to destroy it. The universe keeps warping, and the energy given off is too much for Clark to handle alone. Conner helps him, the two working together to shut it down. Though Conner manages to work the controls and get it down, they need someone really powerful to cut off the stream of energy. Clark decides to take it, getting bombarded by multiversal energy and falling into the gap between universes just as it closes, disappearing forever. Conner remains behind, seeing that Clark is gone.

A short time later, Krypton is now flourishing. Emil Hamilton arrives on a new ship, as do Martha and Jonathan. They greet and hug Conner, asking him if its all true, what they heard about the alternate Clark. Conner nods. He says Zor-El has ideas about what happened to him, and that he might be alive, but there’s no way to get him back anymore. Conner tells Emil that he wants to find a way to restore Clark’s universe without causing another Crisis. Emil says they’ll figure it out together.

A post-credits scene shows Clark in his Anti-Monitor armor, glowing with multiversal power, floating in the world between universes. His eyelids flicker, and he wakes up.

And that's it. Now I want to work on the Batman series of movies, starting with Batman and Batgirl fighting the Mad Hatter.

#superman movie #superman #clark kent #superboy #conner kent #kon el #superboy prime #anthony ivo #amazo #lar gand #zor el #the eradicator #emil hamilton

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