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raedshadowlegends · 10 months

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Why Lore Olympus and Miraculous Ladybug are the Same Thing but in Different Fonts

Good evening, good day, hello and howdy. I am INCREDIBLY bored and I'm here to go on a nonsensical tangent about two pieces of media that I hate and have dedicated a vast amount of my free time to. This is all in good fun and all of my rudeness is intended to be satirical and/or comical unless indicated otherwise.

Now just to preface, if you know me then you know how much I dislike Miraculous Ladybug. Folks in my circle got to watch as I descended into madness writing a 64k word review on season 5. So I've spent an uncomfortable amount of time dissecting this show.

I have also spent an uncomfortable amount of time engaging with the shitshow that is Lore Olympus. And now my ass is gonna try and compare the two because there's a lot of shit going on here.

None of this is going to matter and it's all in good fun. Like I said, I am bored. And sometimes it's fun to compare stuff you hate.

Now let the insanity ensue. FP spoilers and MLB s5 spoilers below the cut btw.

To get a major difference out of the way, Miraculous Ladybug is a tv show. Lore Olympus is a webcomic.

But mediums aside, these two things still have a lot in common. So for the first comparison, I'd like to talk about the insecurity in both properties.

Insecurity

What I define as insecurity in this context is a piece of media that is too afraid to commit or adhere to a certain tone, story, style, etc. In short-- they don't know what they want to be.

Insecurity in Lore Olympus is a bit more obvious than with Miraculous so I'm gonna rant about that first.

Lore Olympus just straight up does not have a story to tell.

There are too many random ass plots being added and discarded on a whim for it to be a coherent story. A good way to explain it is kinda like this-- In this episode of LO, something cool new and interesting is set up and you have to keep reading to see what happens! And then nothing ever happens. Or it happens because the audience won't let the author forget so there's a half-assed attempt to wrap up that plot point.

LO is so insecure about what it is, it feels the need to add more and more to make it actually something. But what it is is a hollow story that lacks substance. So all of these new random plot points are kinda like bandaid solutions if that makes sense.

There are so many unfinished/under-utilized plot points that if you were to count out each and every one, you'd probably keel over dead before you finished. There's that many.

It's too insecure to commit to any one of them in the grand scheme of things.

I don't know how coherent all of that was so here's a shitty tl;dr

LO doesn't know what it wants to say anymore so it's just adding more shit to keep the reader "invested."

Yeah ok I think that makes more sense. As for Miraculous...

God. I fucking hate Miraculous.

It's insecure as hell and you can smell that shit from ten miles away. It's insecure with it's premise, I think.

If it just kept to the simple "monster-of-the-week" formula, I do not think I would have written so many words on it's fifth season.

Miraculous (apparently) had a grander story to tell beyond the "monster-of-the-week revert back to the status quo each episode."

But we don't see any of that in full swing till season 3, really. Which is a long ass time to get the ball rolling imo.

It's a little jarring to see the show go from the stupid kid status quo adventures to a heavy and emotional story??? And I say heavy and emotional with the most sarcastic tone possible because the only emotion I feel watching this shit is rage.

Despite wanting to make that shift to a serialized type of show, Miraculous was too scared to stray from the successful status quo format.

To explain a bit more I wanna talk about my review of the season.

While it is mostly filled with rude jokes and incomprehensible jargon, I bring up a lot of points in it regarding the state of things.

One of those things being the show's hesitancy to move the story along.

The fifth season was supposed to be a grand final battle and a conclusion to this story arc. But it was too scared to commit to that so there's way more episodes that are nothing but shipping fodder.

There are many episodes that season that just... feel the same. Just with different coats of paint. "Marinette is trying to date Adrien but she's awkward and clumsy and oh no! shenanigans ensue!" We've been doing this for 8 years.

If they want to tell a serialized story then they need to grow some balls and cut the shit we've seen a million times before.

Their insistence to stick to the status quo makes the writing exceptionally weak downright painful to sift through. It was too scared, too insecure, to stray from its formula.

That's a part of the reason why I think the season is paced so bad. There's so little time spent on the interesting parts of the story because they had to cram in as much shipping shit as possible. So by proxy, there was less time to tell a good story.

Both of these stupid ass properties don't know what they want to be. There are too many things being added and not enough balls to commit to any of them.

Now with both LO and MLB, we can all agree that the writing is pretty shit. Nothing new there. But shitty writing often bleeds into the characters and making them shitty by exposure. Almost like a spill of toxic waste, infecting anything near it and turning into a rotten pile of sludge and chemicals.

So yeah, the characters are ass as well. But I only wanna complain about the female leads for both of these things.

But just to mention Adrien and Hades, they are pretty similar. I won't go into detail but the short of it is, "Character with deep seated issues that could have been interesting, has a lot of potential, but is just kinda garbage in the end."

At least Adrien Agreste isn't monetizing death and has a bunch of shades in his basement doing his work.

Persephone and Marinette

So I always say that I don't like using the term 'Mary Sue' to describe a character. But as it turns out, I use that term a lot. So I'm not gonna lie about that anymore.

These two characters are Mary Sues.

Persephone first

Oh my god I hate Persephone a lot. She just ticks every box on my list of 'THINGS I HATE IN A CHARACTER.'

Which is funny because her character had a lot of promise and heart in the beginning.

I related to her a LOT when I picked up this comic before my frontal cortex developed. I related with her character and her struggles. Especially after the Apollo incident. That really stuck out to me. It was so powerful.

But all of those tiny things I liked about her character were stripped away. Her ambition to study in school? Poof, gone. Her charm? Not charming anymore. That kindness everyone in the story gushes about? I don't even think it was there in the first place.

Truth be told, I do need to reread this comic because the beginning is fuzzy as fuck in my walnut-sized brain. But I can tell you for certain that the way she was in the beginning is not who she is now.

And this isn't the case of a character going through an arc and developing and changing. She's just getting worse and the narrative treats it as a GOOD THING.

"Oh yeah, Persephone trashed Leuce's apartment instead of talking to her husband like an adult. She threatened to kill this nymph but you're supposed to find that endearing." Like, what??? I will not have a story try and get me to believe this is a good thing.

If this were a good story, Persephone's actions in that episode WOULDN'T BE REWARDED. But she's rewarded with sex for being a fucking psychopath towards a random nymph. Wow.

And that leads into my next point-- she can never be in the wrong ever.

AOW? Retconned, not her fault. It wasn't her fault she killed all those people. It's actually Eris' fault because she gave her wrath.

Trashing Leuce's apartment? She was in the right for that, apparently.

Killing people in a famine during the 10 year banishment? That's never explored, we just know she killed people, burned a library or something, and probably shot the president too. But it's fine, she's the good guy.

And most recently (and potentially the most frustrating);

Persephone causes winter.

Not her mother, Demeter, no fuck the myths. Persephone is the one who caused winter actually. AND SHE DID IT ON ACCIDENT SO TECHNICALLY IT IS NOT HER FAULT CAUSE SHE DIDNT MEAN TOOOO UWU She also probably killed a million flower nymphs in that snap freeze but its ok it doesn't matter.

WHAT?

WHAT THE FUCK? CMON NOW.

She's not going to receive any consequences for anything because she is just too perfect.

She's smarter than Athena, prettier than Aphrodite, better than her mother in every way, all the boys want her, she has a perfect body, she's pink, her eyes go red when she's angy, she has the most power of everyone in the world, she's a super rare fertility goddess, she has all the gifts, all the blessings, and none of the development.

It almost feels like a wattpad fanfic.

"My mom doesn't like me so she sold me to one direction and then I became queen of the underworld."

Yeah, I don't like her.

And the same can be applied to Marinette!

A character who is so blatantly perfect, the narrative fucking BENDS TO HER WILL.

She's a creepy ass stalker and has done some weird ass things to get close to this random famous white boy and it's all excused.

It's literally excused.

There is a rule about character backstories. They are supposed to provide an explanation for a character's behavior, not an excuse for it.

In season 5, episode 14 - Derision, we see a bit of Marinette backstory. Some stupid bullshit happens and Marinette essentially says she isn't going to say 'I love you' to anyone unless she knows literally everything about them.

She says a lot in that stupid ass scene but it's basically just saying that all of her stalking and creepy behavior is justified. Which it is not.

Marinette can do no wrong. The narrative won't allow it.

She's perfect in every way. And even when SHE is in the wrong, characters somehow find a way to apologize to her. Either that or she turns a situation about someone else into one about her self.

She's just the perfect character who ends up saving the world.

Fuck having Chat Noir face against his dad in the finale, Marinette has to girlboss all over the place and save the day but then actually lose because the "plot" demands it.

Oh yeah and she's probably never going to tell Adrien that his abusive dad was the villain they had been fighting for months. Do you think that's a good choice? I'll give you a hint; it is not.

It makes Marinette look like a HORRIBLE character but it's painted in a way that makes the viewer believe this is the right decision.

I don't think I need to get into specifics as to why that is wrong and disgusting.

If I had to make a prediction for this show going forward, she isn't going to tell him. It's going to be forgotten and she's going to be painted as the hero.

No flaws, no accountability, nothing.

Garbage character. Fucking hate it.

Both of these characters will never see consequences for their actions. Their bad actions are either excused or retconned out of existence. And that's not how you write a character btw. If you want them to be real, give them consequences. The world should not revolve around them. They should have flaws and issues that should be explored. But apparently that's too much work.

It's funny how both of these properties claim to be about feminism and somehow completely miss what feminism is

Miraculous thinks that feminism means "Girl power! Girls are better than guys in every way!" And Lore Olympus makes no attempt to be feminist at all. Women hate other women, and they don't get a lot of opportunities to explore and express themselves.

I could get into the whole purity culture shtick but that's a shitty rant for another day.

I've been ranting about this for a while and I got the big ones out of the way, methinks. I do want to get into the creators of both of these things but that is also a rant for another day.

Cause if I got into that now, we'd be here a while.

So let me just make a final comparison and wrap things up here. I don't think any of this makes a lot of sense but I hate both things and I'm passionate about it so I'm gonna keep rambling.

Miraculous Ladybug and Lore Olympus never attempt to grow as stories. They are both scared to try new things and to stick with it. Most of the time this results in rushed writing and horribly done characters.

It's so clear that both of these things are desperate to be something great but they just can't put in the work to get there.

Honestly, they both feel like the product of a team of yes-men. Bad decisions and errors slip by WAY too often and it's kind of embarrassing.

These are popular pieces of media and they have the resources to be great but they just aren't.

They're both too insecure to make something of themselves.

It's honestly really sad and I don't want this for either of these things. I want LO to be stunning and retell the myth of Persephone with the respect it deserves. I want MLB to be a serialized show with focus on the lore. Sure it can start as episodic but it can ease us into a deeper story and intrigue the viewer. But I want it to flesh out the world and be an entertaining experience.

It's sad but it's the way it is.

Who knows, maybe MLB season 6 will be good. And maybe LO will have a 4th season and it'll fix all the problems it has.

I dunno.

Thanks for reading this incoherent nonsense.

#This is a really random comparison between media so if you see this and are confused im so sorry #i got bored #anti lore olympus #lore olympus critical #anti lo #lo critical #unpopular lore olympus #unpopular lo #anti miraculous ladybug #ml salt #ml critical #ml criticism

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jess-the-vampire · 6 months

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what's your opinion on miraculous ladybug?

i consider ML to be kinda a hot mess of a show, it's a show with a lot of cool ideas, but for one reason or another, never quite makes a lot of them work

it's desire to be story focused gets held down a lot because it also needs to be mostly episodic, so events feel like they happen at a snail's pace until s5 where they clearly slammed on the gas because they thought the show was over.

you can tell stuff gets retconned as they go along and that some elements are underdeveloped. Not to mention the elements that are dropped entirely or never touched on.

the show is basically at a constant war with itself, it's got potential but doesn't seem to have the best priorities, especially when it gets more story focused. You can only drag out the romance for so long before it stops being fun, meanwhile you want lila to be your next big bad but she basically vanishes for a decent chunk of the show for example so there's not nearly as much setup as they could of given to make people more compelled in her as one.

and there's more then that, putting what happened with chloe aside, Zoe could be a potentially interesting character if they explored her relationship with her sister more or even with other cast members to get to know her better.

But she's in very little episodes, there's not nearly as much to say about her, and she's given a miraculous so quickly that it all feels like it's there to be a slap to chloe rather then building up a new fleshed out superhero character . That's just an example of not handled well ideas.

so many ideas are good on paper, not handled well in execution.

now that's not to say there's nothing good in it, on occasion, this show can make some good episodes, i loved the paris special, the movie was decent, and the premise of the show is genuinely pretty cool with the kwamis and animal superpowers.

i like a lot of the cast members, kagami, felix, luka, juleka, Nathanial, ect ect

the show can make some great villain and hero costumes

but the show as a whole is still mostly a mess, that even it's highlights aren't enough to save it if you watch it as a complete picture.

HOWEVER, i find the show to usually be an enjoyable hot mess, i didn't go into the show expecting a serious show akin to something like owl house or gravity falls, i came in expecting a ridiculous show that went off the rails more and more as time went on and at this point i watch just to see how bad and crazy it can get. I just don't take it as seriously.

It would be cool if this show had a serious story and handled it that well but i'm in it more for the ride then i am here to be seriously invested in the plot. Even if the show does make me genuinely mad in quite a few places.

Cause this show has a lot of the same problems as like, star vs, like a LOT of the same issues. But star's downfall felt like a betrayal because it felt like the crew cared about handling these things well when you joined that it was more insulting to the audience about how little they did care.

At least ML has the benefit of not being a show i ever took too seriously, and i think that prevented me from being as angry as i could be. Doesn't mean i don't get mad at it, just means my expectations were always a bit lower from the beginning.

i'm here to see how crazy the show can and will get, and hey, maybe on occasion, get to see the team make some good stuff

#miraculous ladybug #miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #miraculous lb

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emblazons · 1 year

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hey marie <3 I've been experiencing byler doubt as of late for some strange reason?? And you're one of my favorite analysts so what would you say is like ... the moment or thing that made you actually consider Byler would be endgame?

oooh, I'm sorry to hear that! Honestly there are still some days when the weight of discourse in this fandom gives me little flairs of discomfort about the state of their relationship in S5, even though revisiting the show itself almost immediately assuages most of my fears because fuller context for me has always been most comforting? But...hmm.

I think more than anything—and these two points are really what my "favorite byler things" hinge on, more than the moments themselves—I first remember that the entire show can be subjected to the same scrutiny and level of detail as Byler (even independent of it), which helps me remember that seeing and even looking for evidence of the relationship between them isn't just me indulging my desire to ship them—it's digging into something that The Duffers and the 2000-strong ST production team put there.

Things like them reusing the track Girls on Film to parallel an idea between two scenes with Nancy, paralleling moments of depression between El and Max to show us their bond even from a distance and using set design to show a character trait about Jonathan show that the little details I pick up on for byler are intentional the same way the rest of the show is...and I'm not being unduly invested looking for them, the way a lot of byler critics claim when they say byler's are "delusional" and "reading too much into it."

Second, I remember that I am the audience for the show according to the Duffer Brothers—that they've made clear that it's people like me they're catering to, who love movies, filmmaking and indulge their nerdiest interests even when it means being "less adult" than one perhaps should be in the eyes of the people around them—on top of the fact that they have repeatedly said their story is mapped out and intentional, which means what I see on the screen and put together from "studying" it was designed that way, and isn't just a series of random choices or Finn "deciding" to make flirty eyes at Noah (lmfao).

Once I keep those to things at the fore of my mind, it's easier to accept that what I saw on screen even before I deep dived the whole show were 1) designed for me to catch and 2) intentional...which leaves me with the ability to trust that all of these things—

Mike and Will showing repeated and unprompted signs of attraction to each other mutually, while showing signs of deep emotional connection outside of just the simple bounds of friendship

Mike re-prioritizing his relationship with Will, to the point of saying he was over-invested in El, while also asking Will to be closer to him (which he kept up, all the way to the very last shot of the season)

Will's romantic feelings now being blended inherently with the painting, even though the painting could have easily been written as a platonic gesture if the duffers wanted it to be

Mlvn’s communication (verbal and nonverbal) breaking down in S4 without a single bit of promoting from the audience before it dropped, to the point where Will’s feelings are the romantic ones underpinning Mike’s perception of El & El is no longer behaving romantically forward him, even given the “I love you” that was meant to resolve the tension in their relationship

The fact that I can connect these events to several other moments across all seasons, because the concepts and relational dynamics aren’t new to S4—only the context is

—are good enough reason to believe that the story is headed toward romantic!Byler, while actively moving away from romantic!mlvn.

I think, at the end of the day, the reason why I believe in Byler is because I’m familiar with The Duffers as storytellers, have been invested in their show since S1, and Byler makes sense for the show thematically—it fits into the narrative, doesn’t require any wild jumps to recognize (neither does the end of mlvn, to be honest) and—probably most importantly—the details like color coding, where people are standing in the final shot, and even the insanity of that one way sign into the closet Mike has are just details designed to bring life to the story…not what I’m basing my understanding of the story on itself.

Basically: I believe in byler because that’s where the story is pointing, and I feel I have a solid grasp on the story and characters in several sections of the show, not just the byler one. Revisiting the show over the course of the year has only strengthened my sense of that—and even when I do doubt, it’s the show itself that reminds me why I believed it in the first place, rather than anything that goes on throughout the fandom side of things.

I don't know if that helps you, but it's what keeps my confidence steady throughout the ups and downs of fandom! And also...literally nothing confused me worse than vol ii when it dropped...and now I feel like it presented some of the most important moments for building toward romantic!byler, so. I feel pretty confident in my interpretation of the events of the show now lmao.

thanks for the ask!

and also...outside of all this: the moment that made me catch onto byler as an option fully as an "invested GA" was Will and Mike at the airport, because...that shit was crazy to watch for the first time honestly. My jaw was on the floor like "oh shit, they're really doing this?" and it just. never came back up the rest of the season LOL

#...honestly I cannot remember the last time I truly doubted byler like.#sometimes I try to play out versions of the story that don't include them coming together more readily than mlvn in S5 #and no matter how I try to play it out it never makes sense LOL #also...the themes are really what sells me on them.#everything the duffers talk through with rejecting conformity and normalcy and DND and basing love on friendship? ALL BYLER #once will was gay and in love with mike it was a wrap honestly. but...lol. people love to be loud and bully because they don't like it so #what can you do lol #asks #byler #anti mlvn

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phantomrose96 · 2 years

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How did you feel about the tma finale? I thought it was fine but after all of Jonny's warnings that "it will be sooo tragic don't get your hopes up" I was kind of disappointed by how mild it was. Nothing against a hopeful finale but it felt a little bit like it fizzled out. Any thoughts as a Tragedy Enjoyer (tm)?

You know I'm just theorizing, but as someone who has only a fraction of a fraction of the audience TMA has and is a Tragedy Writer, I've seen how a portion of an audience can get really intense and antsy about "if this has a sad ending I can't take it." My impression is the TMA audience was both large and had a lot of interaction with the writers so like, I'll bet Jonny heard that kind of thing hundreds of times. I could easily see that becoming like "the safety of my mental health is your responsibility" kind of message from a lot of people, which could really push someone to err on the side of over-warning about the ending.

My overall thoughts on s5 are... hard to pin down? I do think it's my least favorite season, but not because of any quality drop but because I just kind of didn't love the structure of it, I think. The sort of linear "we're questing to London" structure... I dunno.

A number of the stand-alone horror statements were some of the strongest in the whole series, I think! Rosie's statement about working for Elias all these years and Knowing something was wrong but just remaining complicit--excellent, loved that one. Jared Boneturner's one about twisting people's body dysmorphia against them with flower metaphors really hit. The meat processing plant one with the years worth of lines. The hospital that would try to make you better or worse on a whim each day. And I loved the reveal about The Spider pulling the strings all along. I was totally fooled thinking the tape recorders were just The Eye's way of snooping, but the fact that they were The Spider's web all along *chef's kiss*.

Oh also I loved that Jon could smite people. Good for him.

But it's. hmmm. It reminds me a little bit of a problem with later-season Supernatural, where they'd killed off near the entire recurring cast save for like 4 people. Just steadily lost people to be invested in. Sasha's dead. Tim's dead. Daisy's dead. Bigger antagonists like Peter are dead. Eliajonah spent 90% of the season in the gay baby panopticon (and killing him happened... kinda way too fast and short for me? Jonah was really the main antagonist and planned this for 2 centuries and puppeted Jon into becoming The Beholding's Special Little Boy but he didn't have a countermeasure for Being Beholded by said Special Boy?) Helen was fun but then Jon killed her! :< Georgie and Melanie were gone for most of the season too. Basira was the only kinda-regularly-present central character. And you know it's always kinda been The Jon Show, but there was a little more fun in that when Jon was being a stuck-up curmudgeon. He's... understandably... a bit more of a downer in s5. (Also found myself liking Martin a little less this season, but can't pin down why exactly.) Oh and, VERY much just a personal thing: but the way Jon would need to compulsively make statements just sat uncomfortably with me. Basira was joking about the bathroom metaphor but it really was like that.

Also THIS part is inevitable and there would be literally no way to avoid this - so much of TMA was built up as a mystery and now that we have most of the answers in s5 there's just. less to be intrigued about. We have most of the puzzle pieces so there's not much left to theorize about. And besides The Spider reveal, there wasn't really anything in s5 that was able to surprise me. The ending felt very straight-forward. And I figured from just about the beginning of the series Jon wasn't gonna survive to the end so that didn't surprise me. I was kinda thinking it might do one of those "we take the 3rd option!" things where they neither follow The Spider's plan nor Jon's plan but.

Anyway! I relistened to Angler Fish yesterday and it DOES hit much harder with retrospect

#chrissy listens to tma #ask #tma spoilers

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veterveter · 5 months

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Finally gathered teh courage to watch the Berlin trailer and... big cringe. i don't like the whole vibes of it, i don't believe them when they say its gonna be better than lcdp. i don't care about the new gang and andrés? i have a feeling they gonna ruin his character with this. i'm honestly glad that sergio and martin are not part of this. the only thign i'm looking forward is ralicia. (sorry for the negativity, maybe it's gonna be the best show of the century lol)

Heyheyhey!!!

Let's talk about your thoughts before I talk about mine: thank you first of all for popping by ♥️ Do come back if you'd like once you've seen the show, I'd love to hear if you still feel the same 👀 And I pretty much agree on everything you said. I don't feel like Martín would fit the tone they're going for with this show, they'd probably relegate him to being like, a fun sidekick cracking jokes or something - pass. Let me keep one half of the ship I still really like as a character. Ralicia could have actual potential though, their history seems of interest, so I hope they at least give us something there.

Other than the incessant need to turn everything into a franchise and milk audience goodwill until it runs dry, I think there's very little need for this to be about Berlín or set in the LCDP universe, if they don't really care about following up or building up on... anything, really. But I hope I'm wrong! Maybe I'm misjudging them! Maybe the advertising has done them dirty! In which case I'm so sorry to be a downer. I'm trying my hardest to not hate it on principle.

And for want of something positive to say, the smallest compliment sandwich you've ever seen: the bit they posted a couple days ago at Fontana di Trevi seemed a little promising? That was more of the vibe I wish this show had, haha.

They really want to hype up the new banda and I'm always unironically heartbroken when they call this Andrés's golden era and his dream team (I cannot remember the wording but you know what I mean). Maybe I'm overly invested and clinging too hard to the parts of pre-established canon that I like, so sue me. I know I should be taking this much less seriously and I might even enjoy it; instead I'm fretting over how I can possibly fit all these different Andréses into one person for writing purposes - let alone remaining invested in him as a character. I've already said this before, but S5 already did a world of harm in how much I like him, so.

I've had nightmares about this show, actually :D In one, they declared in the advertising that his third wife was the love of Andrés's life and if I want to know how he really felt about Martín, I should watch the show - and then proceeded to never mention him again 🔪

And haha you needn't apologise to me for the negativity - if the show turns out to be amazing, feel free to call me a fool :) Though I'm sure Pedro can carry quite a lot even if it's bad. I watched Gran Hotel last summer.

Anyway, I hope you take care, anon!! Do come back to me if you'd like, and have a lovely rest of the year :)

And buena suerte.

#asks #anon #Berlín 2023 #still calling it that yes

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safflowerseason · 1 year

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How are you liking maisel s5 so far?? I love reading your takes on everything :)

Hey! thank so much for the ask! I miss getting asks!!

I enjoyed the first three eps, although admittedly Maisel isn't a show I'm deeply emotionally invested in. With ASP shows I feel like you have to make up your mind to take the good with the bad/wonky/weird/uneven/random, because for every gutting Midge/Lenny scene that feels so real and raw or gorgeously whimsical entertaining set-piece, you have to put with whatever Abe's doing at the Village Voice or Moishe and Shirley yelling at each other at Joel's nightclub for ten minutes. I liked the flash forward conceit, except for the laughable age makeup they put on Rachel B (I'm sorry, no amount of hat-wearing/face-cream could protect a woman in show business from the excesses and physical ravages of the sixties and seventies). I liked ASP finally interrogating--in a very mild way--Midge's approach (or lack thereof) to parenting and its costs. I think there's probably something to be read in Mei telling Joel she can't have it all alongside Midge's clearly tense relationship with her adult children. I'm sad to see Stephanie Hsu go, although I'm happy it's because her star is ascending, and tbh ASP is *not* the writer to address the complexities of Joel and Mei raising a bi-racial child in the sixties.

With ASP I'm always girding myself to be disappointed romance-wise, but if we don't see Susie and Midge reunite in the future I *will* be gutted, as that's the only relationship that truly matters on this show. Of course I am enjoying Reid Scott striding around as a smarmy, cocky, soulless talk-show host (instead of a smarmy, cocky, soulless political strategist) exchanging banter with Rachel Brosnahan (I loved the bit where he ripped up the pages and tossed it over the balcony like confetti). The space the two characters were given in Ep 3 to just shamelessly flirt makes me yearn for an alternate universe where Reid Scott and Anna Chlumsky got to do the same thing for more than thirty seconds at a time. I feel like probably something will happen between them but it will be more "eh we're both hot and bored/lonely and this would be fun so why not" variety (that certainly seems to be Gordon's vibe) as opposed to the star-crossed earth-shattering comedy soulmates connection that links Midge and Lenny. (this sets aside the gross power imbalance between Gordon and Midge, which ASP seems to think is fine because we know Midge eventually succeeds.) Based on how Midge mentioned the Gordon Ford show, it doesn't seem like the man himself will be a big and/or complicated *relationship* in her future life/career, so I guess we'll see what happens there!!

As for Midge and Lenny...as I said, making Til There Was You their song is just, like, such a tell on the significance of their connection from the POV of the writers. I know there's apparently some angst out there re: the show's portrayal of Lenny Bruce and whether the show has made him into too much of a romantic hero or whatever when in reality he was a very complicated man who had a complicated and violent relationship with the women in his life. It seems like he really won't be in this final season much, which I guess is one of the show's (inconsistent) nods to reality. I'm sad to see less of Luke Kirby if that's the case, and there's nothing wrong with historical fiction, but I think the show is on safer narrative ground keeping Midge primarily surrounded by other exclusively fictional characters.

As for Joel and Midge's family...they are by far the dimension of this show I have cared least about since its inception, in spite of consistently fantastic performances from Tony Shalhoub, Marin Hinkle, Kevin Pollak, and Caroline Aaron, which makes me a little sad, but that's ASP for you. I did love seeing Kelly Bishop for a bit...an ASP icon. She should be in everything.

Those are my immediate thoughts...what did you think about the first three eps??

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I just wanted to say that I love your blog! You seem like such a lovely person. I wanted to ask what is one thing you really want to see in season 6 of 911 and one thing you really don’t want to see in season 6?

Hi Nonnie! Oh, thank you SO MUCH. That is SO kind of you to say. I really do just want my little blog to be a nice, cozy place for anyone coming to it. I’m so glad if it is to you! *hugs endlessly* Thank you for letting me know, and just know that you’re lovely, too!

Oh, one thing I want to see in s6 is anything that makes the feelings of one of our guys for the other canon. Even if it’s not said explicitly, but anything where we can tell from a look, a lingering touch, that oh expression that lets us know one of them now realizes how they really feel about the other one. I fully expect that if 911 lets Buddie go canon, it will do so understanding that Buddie are a slow burn goldmine, so it will take its time with them. So I tend to think we’re not gonna get to the point of both of them expressing their feelings too soon. If both are finally aware of how they feel, it erases tension when it comes to the audience. Sure, Buddie won’t know that they both feel the same, but we will, so the only question for us would be when will they get together, not if. Which is a route the show might take, but the suspension is so much greater if only one of them is aware of how they feel at first, and silently pines away. It keeps the audience guessing and engaged... So yeah, I want us to get that little bit of canon that still doesn’t tell us whether Buddie, as a couple, are going canon, but it lets us know that the possibility is real.

One thing I really don’t want is any other love interest for either of them. Meaning, even if the show doesn’t go canon with Buddie just yet, I think Ana and Taylor were difficult relationships for us as viewers who love the characters to get through because the boys were so obviously miserable with them. And I think any other love interest brought in now would pale in comparison to Buddie anyway. So even if the guys don’t get together, I want them to get to be single and growing as people, and as friends / a family unit with Chris. I would normally think this would be impossible, ‘coz... A show which is quite invested in the emotional side of things for its characters, and only has two single main characters, why would it keep both single for a whole season? Yet, that’s exactly what 911 did during s3. And what golden material we got thanks to that! I’d rather have them single, then have to deal with the show feeling that it has to give them a love interest. I do think Buddie learned and grew from ending their relationships in s5 (and don’t get me started on how in s2 they both had a r/s ending not of their own choice and in s5 they both chose to end their r/s, the perfect parallels of their love lives is making my head spin), but having them hop into something new in s6 will feel, well. Probably even more forced than the relationships they just got out of. I feel like if 911 gives us another season of Buddie being single like in s3, that in itself will supply us with even more golden material as well!

I hope I managed to answer? Thank you so much, darling! Please never hesitate to reach out! *sends tons of love* xoxox

(If you're looking for my ask replies, here is my ask tag! xoxox)

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Unofficial Tips for Endgame Players (Late S3-S4) and How I am Preparing for S5

Hey there!👋 It's been a while since S4 ended, and most endgame players like me are bracing for S5...I thought it would be good to share the things I learned to advance in the latest chapters (including hard mode) since I saw some people struggling on the difficulty spikes.

Some context/disclaimers: I've been playing Obey Me on and off for almost three years now. Over the years, the Devs had given us plenty of resources, birthday URs, etc so I'm aware I might have more advantage in raising cards than newer players. That said, this guide is not for everyone. I only wanted to share how I'm dealing with the possible difficulty spike in S5. Just because this method worked on me doesn't mean it would work or be enjoyable for others.

Skill-ups Vs Skills?

Short answer: Memory and demon skill-ups >>>>>>>>>>>> actual useful memory skills

Long answer:

Skill procs are very random; though I did notice in my gameplay that higher skill-ups heighten the chance of a skill proc'ing, tho that is debatable. Not sure yet if higher skill-up makes the duration of the skills longer.

As long as you get one busted card for each sin that has decent skills, the supporting two memories don't matter. Just focus on daggering the one with the highest skill level as skill-ups are good as it gives a card higher power levels, which make a big difference in endgame. Here is a sample footage of some hard mode gameplays I had for higher levels nodes: one of them with memories with higher skill-ups, and one with better skills but lower skill-ups.

Higher Skill-ups: Envy Team (Memories)

Lower Skill-ups: Sloth Team (Memories)

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Higher Skill-ups: Greed Team (Demons)

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Lower Skill-ups: Lust Team (Demons)

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Tips on Daggering Cards (Memory)

Based on my own experience, I only felt the need to level more UR Memories at S4. Around S3, you can get away with just one or two good Memory URs so long as you have one for each sin. (Lonely Devil is your friend!)

Tips on Daggering Cards (Demons)

For Demon Cards, it's a bit trickier. But general rule of thumb is cards with second skills/reflect are always better to raise than cards without.

Indispensable second skills: paralyse, stun, poison, skill ban

Indispensable first skills: almost any skills that apply a status effect to an enemy, luck, skill ban, refresh, speed up

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**cards with poison and luck are usually slower than the other cards. If you want to use cards like this and you have higher skill-ups, it would be better to team them up with other slower cards too/(or cards with speed up such as Art Solomon UR+)! (ex. Diner Solomon, Anniversary 2 Solomon, Pastry Chef Lucifer from Anniversary 2, the free Asmo UR+ etc.). The time difference may seem little in an event node, but that one second can save you in hard mode and S5 chapters!

Skills such as counter ban, berserker, speed down, etc. are lower priority. I don't really find any good use for them so I tend to avoid raising cards with these skills unless they have high skill-ups.

Saying that, if you have favourite demon cards, consider investing on them, and pull for more copies if they're in the gacha. If you really like an event Demon UR, considering getting more copies by:

Ranking in Events

Ranking can be really scary, and I definitely understand that this method is not for everyone. But if you're like me and you only have one favourite character, investing in getting more copies of them by ranking had been really helpful. My two experiences of ranking for Solomon's event UR cards (Circus and Bunny Boy. I didn't really rank for his Cyberverse card since I already have a skill 5 envy UR+ of him) had been amazing! I have only really vied for getting the lowest tiers that offered his card copies, but they've made a great difference. (Lowest ranking rewards that will give you card copies will guarantee you at least skill4-skill5 of the UR Demon card!)

Of course, only do this if you are really set on getting more copies of a character Demon card in the ranking rewards, and you like the gacha cards enough/you think the gacha cards have decent skills that can give you more reasons to get their skill-ups to accumulate more event points which will be great in ranking (for those who are ranking, I found that around >250 points is a decent point per node to keep up with ranking)

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The gacha cards I got to accumulate points for ranking have actually been really helpful in completing my Sin teams! (especially the Luke and Diavolo URs!)

Plus, if you rank...you will also get copies of the UR Memory. Before I grinded for more shards for the Circus Memory UR, I got it up to Skill 7. The Bunny Boy was a better investment imo, as due to the Celestial Boxes, I got the Memory UR card at Skill 10!

If you look at the strength comparison of a level 100 card with only skill 2 to the Bunny Memory UR I got at Skill 10, the difference in their main card strength is quite high.

On Daggering Demon Cards

I would have to be honest: I daggered my favourite cards first haha.;; But I did invest some skill-ups on the cards I really liked which would make them stronger and will give me more advantages to dagger them (so they won't ever leave my team xD) .

Just dagger who you want first and then work on making your teams even levelled, whether with cards that have higher skill-ups or cards that have useful skills.

Again, for demon cards, imo the

skill-up>>>>>>>>>skills is mostly applicable especially for main cards (the one that takes higher priority to dagger)

Completing Demon Teams

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Unfortunately, for later lessons...completing your teams is a necessity. If you look at the video I shot, I already have full demon teams at level 120+ but I still struggled at S4;;;. :( You can get away with just two Demons at 120+ as long as you have glowsticks and good RNGI guess? I'm planning on getting my final Greed and Gluttony (and possibly replacements for my Wrath Mammon and Lust Levi)in future banners/birthday banner reruns I like for skill-ups.

Skipping Events

This is advised if you want to catch up on getting a card that will complete your teams and you're not particularly interested in the event rewards. I'm already satisfied with my current teams (save for some specific teams which I feel needs more skill-ups on memories and demons).

Andddddd that's about it! This is how I'm preparing for S5! c: I hope this helps even a bit! Feel free to ask questions and I'll do my best to answer you. ^^

Summary

Make full teams per sin (With most of the cards at least 120+)

Skill ups >>>>>>>> skills (daggering should also consider skill ups. You can add cards with good skills as secondaries/backups)

Consider ranking in events (celestial blessing events are advised) for memory and demon card skill-ups.

Skip events you aren't interested in to have more time to strengthen your teams. (Consider grinding in latter hard mode nodes for Grimm during Leviathan's Boot Camp).

Try to get cards that can counter known common enemy status effects (such as paralyse for Sloth, stun for Envy, poison for wrath, etc.)

I hope this helps! Good luck to everyone on Season 5! <3

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Hi! First of all: Love your theories and analysis of ST! :) So, I have something I wanted to see your take on. Ever since volume 2, I've been wondering about the probability of Byler being canon or not, but most of all, I've been thinking about Mike's character and how he has been written in s4 especially. First I need to say that I didn't come from any particular biased (or too heavily invested) point before watching volume 2 'cause I don't ship Byler or Mileven, but as a regular fan of the show I always felt that Will was gay (that point has been clear since s3 for me), and after paying closer attention to Mike's character in volume 1, I felt for sure that he was being written as queer coded/ struggling with his sexuality. There are plenty of analysis about this online (some of which I think are reaching a little bit, while others I definitely agree with), but seeing as the show went with the whole I love you declaration / motivational coach speech from Mike to El (which to me kinda cements that Mileven will probably be the endgame tbh); what are your thoughts on the queer coding of Mike and his weirdness towards Will and just his weirdness in general? I'm so conflicted right now, 'cause to me it just doesn't make sense to build this up and not offer it any pay-off. Could you maybe help rationalize this? 'Cause something feels off with the way he was written when comparing vol1 to vol2. TLDR: Is Mike a closeted gay or is he just a lousy friend? What do you think were the Duffers' intentions with his character...?

First of all, I'm glad you like my posts! (: Second of all, it really depends on the direction they take Byler in during S5. I think a lot more people thought Mike was queer after Volume 1 and that can be seen by the influx of followers in the Byler tag. His inability to say that he loves Eleven despite the fact he was able to say it before combined with the way he was acting about Will led a lot of people to think he's actually interested in Will. It seriously makes so much sense for his character for him to be gay and if it turns out he is, that'll be some amazing writing and foreshadowing and some of the best initially subtle queer rep ever.

But I'm really conflicted on canon Byler. I don't want to be a party pooper, but I also don't want to give false hope and I'm going to say I'm skeptical of it, but I really hope to be proven wrong. Volume 2 felt like the perfect opportunity to start making Byler canon but they didn't go down that route and I feel like there's only so much milkvan that I can wave away as platonic. If it happened now, it would feel a bit rushed and fan service-y to me. I will continue to make Byler theories and try to bring some hope to people because I believe it can happen, but I'm also not going to lie about how I feel. I have the disappointed but not surprised outlook on Byler, as in it's a missed opportunity if they don't do it and a shame for the show, but it's not shocking.

So that leaves us with two possibilities. One and the one I prefer: Mike is gay and repressing his feelings for Will by projecting them onto Eleven like Will pretending Eleven asked for stuff but he is starting to work this out so he pushes Will away with the comments like it's not my fault you don't like girls. Two: after S2 without the will they won't they aspect to Mike and Eleven's relationship, the writers didn't know what to do with them so they created random conflicts and breakups so we could have an emotional moment at the end of each season with them. They wanted Mike's friendship with Will to be challenged by the relationship to show Mike is growing up and moving on but Will can't because of his sexuality and because of the loss of his childhood.

I don't think the second option is inherently bad but they've not written it like that. It makes Mike seem like he doesn't love Eleven and that he's an awful friend to Will and a lot of the Mike hate is a response to this poor writing. The actions are very realistic for a teenage boy so I get they don't have to justify it but if you see Mike in the earlier seasons and just how loyal he is, I'm not sure that's something that goes away with puberty. So either they're working towards the goal of Mike being gay and having a big realization coming out arc in S5 or they tried to write conflict into his relationships and it didn't click with a lot of the audience.

But don't lose hope because of that! It does make a ton of sense for Mike to be gay and he's clearly very queer coded. There's a reason so many people cling on to that aspect of him. So if the writers make Byler requited, it does explain a lot of stuff and a lot of analyses are super convincing so who knows. But it could also be weird relationship writing, I'm not going to lie.

Hopefully this post is ok! I'm not trying to be controversial but this is my account created for sharing my opinions on a show I love so I'm not going to pretend that there is a possibility Byler won't be canon although equally there is a possibility that it will be. Thanks for the ask and the compliment :D

#stranger things #byler #mike wheeler #mike wheeler is gay #anti mileven #st4 #st5 #st5 speculation #st5 theory

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I hope they explore more will dynamics in s5 since in seasons 2-4 we mostly see him interacting with the same people (exluding s1 since he was stuck in the upside-down for most of it). It makes sense for his character since compared to the rest of the party he's quieter and more introverted but still. In s2 he's mostly seen interacting with joyce, Jonathan, Mike, Dustin and Lucas with a few others but mainly these 5 and maybe hopper and even though max was introduced this season we don't get to see that much with them. In s3 will mostly interacts with the same people and compared to the rest of the party he doesn't really interact with characters like Steve, Nancy, Robin or El and he interacts with max a bit more but still not that much. In s4 the byers moved to California and we get to see him interact with el but other then her and I guess argyle (Suzie and Murray too but those are very breif) he mostly sticks to the same people again. He was also the only og party member to not really bring anyone in since Dustin, Lucas and Mike (but mostly mike) brought el into the party in s1 while it was mostly Dustin and Lucas bringing max into the party in s2. Sorry if I ranted in your inbox but this just popped into my head

I think the main problem is that he's quiet and introverted. He's not just gonna immediately start vibing with people like Steve or Robin for example, he'll need some time. I can see him getting along fine with Nancy though, he's known her for many years so he wouldn't feel that awkward about it. Plus she's dating his brother.

If the whole team is going to be less segmented this year, maybe Will will be getting a lot of time with his siblings (Jonathan and El) and in doing so, he'll get to spend a lot of time with Nancy?

Nancy is the only one on that hill that can tell all of them exactly what happened while they were all away. Nancy, being the smart lady she is, can also probably put the pieces together and realize Will is in danger just like Max was.

We only got a little bit of Nancy and Max content, but I really love that exchange they sorta had.

Max: Try not to miss. Nancy, later: I won't miss.

She's even directly confronted Vecna multiple times now. Would be cool if she took an older sister stance like "Nah. I'm joining the Will Byers protection squad and I won't let Vecna touch him. -loads gun-"

That would also be a shame though cause we'd end up with Nancy acting like more of an older sister towards Will than her own little brother so I dunno about that 😂

If my theory about Will being able to go into Vecna's mind and interacting with the souls trapped there is true, I think that could introduce a lot of opportunities for Will and Max scenes. At least a couple of them, if he's able to act as the liaison between her and the real world. They made a point to show that El couldn't find her, but maybe Will can? Max and Will have a lot of the same grief regarding their family life (though luckily Will's big bro isn't an asshole towards him), would be nice if that gets acknowledged.

If Will and Robin gets some scenes together, firstly, I hope it doesn't overpower and scenes with Jonathan. Like, I want Will to come out to Jonathan or Joyce first period end of story. But it would be interesting if we got indications that Robin is picking up on signals Will isn't even aware he's putting out and goes out of her way to try to be friendly with him? Like the extroverted kid adopting the shy kid dynamic. But Robin herself is in the closet and is terrified of being exposed so I don't think she'd go out of her way to be super obvious that she knows or cause him more anxiety than he already has.

LUCAS. I DEMAND LUCAS AND WILL SCENES END OF STORY. LUCAS, EL, AND WILL ALL TRYING TO SAVE MAX FROM VECNA. I NEED IT NOW. LUCAS AND WILL HUG NOW

It would also be really cool if Dustin and Will were the dnd consultants and had discussions on theories with each other. Other than Dustin, Will is the most invested in dnd. Like I know he gave away his manuals and whatnot, but he obviously still loves it dearly. I would like to see Dustin turning to Will for his opinion to see if Will's knowledge on Vecna lines up with some kind of dnd lore or rules. Or Will suggesting something and Dustin backing him up. Stuff like that.

There are many opportunities to be had here, but who knows if they'll actually follow through.

#stranger things #will byers #headcanon #ask

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I agree with you that having Kacy in their honeymoon stage somewhat balanced out this Marina SL a little. I feel like that’s one of the things we always ask for when it comes to representation because no one(or at least not me)is asking for all happy all the time(I mean I did drop Station 19 but because I got bored, Marina was extra lol.). We just want range! Although, with lesbian/bi womens history we would need like 500 Kacy’s to balance out the usual BS we’re given.

Hahaha, imagine 500 Kacys. I don't know if we'd love that either... But tbh, it works for Kacy because that's the genre. It's not the type of show where people get into the kind of relationship drama they do on Shondaland. The NCISes tend to be more plot and team-based, with a little extra bit of time for personal lives.

For me the bigger problem is "happy" f/f in shows where it doesn't really suit the genre, where they're only like that because the writers can't be bothered to give them more than a minute or two every once in a while, so they literally can't have any conflict. As we get more f/f, a good amount of it falls into this background category. I can still appreciate that, it's still nice to be visible, often little lines or actor choices can still elevate those relationships but definitely, more central relationships just offer so much more scope to be invested in.

Tbh, Marina suffered from that same backgroundedness as well, during season 3, where they got all the happy moments in tiny increments, and then when they did finally delve into Maya's issues with her dad, we got the cheating. And then immediately back to "happy", right, no organic, earned forgiveness arc. I honestly though s4 handled them better and then s5 was a bit back and forth, the show giving them a plot, sure, but earned? It seemed far more led by outside factors once again, which ended up the worst of both worlds, tons of angst that just didn't seem to fit the characters we knew. But I don't mind angst in general on S19, look at every other character. It's just when they get sidelined for someone else or the narrative does something ugly without even realizing that I don't like it.

I just want thoughtful storytelling that fits the show. It doesn't have to be all happy or all angst, like, the new Quantum Leap has a rather sweet central m/f romance with some but not overwhelming conflict, which fits their show. It doesn't have to be an extreme, it just has to show the writers are thinking of us with the same consideration as the rest of their characters, which I guarantee they hardly ever are, no matter how many times they declare "but ANY character can die!"

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kiirotoao · 1 year

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S2 rewatch highlights pt 2

Episode 3

AWW Dustin falling asleep reading about reptiles, invested immediately

“I need my paddles!” I quote this too much LOL

Oh the compilation of Hop and El cleaning up and the diorama she makes of it in s4 HJFDJFHHJFJ

Mmm Nancy can’t say, “I love you.” Ends up breaking it off with Steve. Mike can’t say, “I love you” to El until under extreme pressure. Result…?

LOL Mike’s the only one not grossed out by d’Art

Mike is such a good advocate for Will wtf my heart 😭 he just knew exactly what was going on with d’Art. Barely any questions asked.

“Things just can’t go back to the way they were” Hop and Joyce have similar conversations as Jonathan and Nancy this season :,) wow I love the endgame ships

HAHA omg Bob cutting blue and yellow wires. Heck yeah.

I wonder how in the world the video camera can capture the outline of the Mind Flayer - ooh hold on, what if they use video footage to find clues or something next season?? Maybe that can be Jonathan’s role???

Interesting how Mike just misses seeing El a second time! And a third time, twice at the school! Man they were so close to running into each other

“Because you’re annoying!” Mike says, snootily and annoyingly to Max, LMAO. I’m so glad these two got some screen time in s3.

“I’m not gonna hurt you.” DESPITE THAT BEING THE VERY THING HURTING YOU. THE WORLD NEEDS MORE COMPASSION LIKE WILL HAS WTFFFFF

Episode 4

Mike be clutching that walkie-talkie for dear life

The spinning shot of Will being taken is so hauntingly good oh my goihshkkkkd

“But it got me, mom.” THE LITTLE VOICE BREAK HAS SHATTERED ME COMPLETELY HELP GODJJK OMGJGJGLFK

“You put us in danger” awww Hopper is so protective. He’s not just mad at her. He’s mad with her. This isn’t fun for either of them 💔.

El is so relatable right now lmao isolation indeed drives a person mad. She’s so real for her anger and they way in which it manifests with her powers is such a cool use of her character

NANCY OFFERS HOLLY TOAST 🥺

Jancy has a bit of hesitancy but they’re ultimately in it together! I really enjoy the pacing that you can see they’re slowly starting to understand each other but aren’t perfect just yet

Okay quibble like idk if the American school system changed? but I did not learn physiology in 8th grade lmao

Geez just Billy is written so well. Hate him with every single encounter

The psychological repetition and sound with Jonathan and Nancy at the park really gets me ughh the discomfort. They’re so bold to go through with that

Now-memories = tunnel visions

True sight = Upside Down episodes

“Maybe we can help Will.” - Mike’s final words to Lucas and Dustin before he goes to the Byers’ 💙

I love Nancy glaring at Dr. Owens and Jonathan being just 🧍

“I have to stop the truth from spreading, too.” Ooooohhh and the different level of fire in Jonathan and Nancy’s eyes as they behold the gate is so omg I need fanart of them in that scene

Quibble number 2: there is no way in all hell that Hopper and Joyce connected those tunnel drawings in under a day let alone what looked like under an hour, I call bs

MAN the intonation and delivery of the fight between Max and Lucas is just so good. Like the anger could be acted so much differently with subtle differences but something about their back and forth was just great

“We’re family now” NOW, Billy??? Yeah as if she wasn’t your step sister for years before?? Geez and that’s not even the worst part of what he says

Okay I’m crying what the heck, UGH Millie is so good. Those sobs my HEARTTTTTT

“Let’s burn that lab to the ground.” S5 PLEASE LET NANCY COMMIT ARSON ON THE LAB. PLEASE!!!

OH NO skipping the Mews part. RIP buddy. RIP 💔

The tunnel flips upside down and THE CLOCK CHIME OH I GOT THE CHILLS

#st rewatch

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sometipsygnostalgic · 2 years

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Bow for the character bingo

interesting >:)

When it comes to Bow, he's sweet, but his impact is very limited even though he's one of Adora's best friends. He serves the purpose of the foil to Adora and Glimmer, because I think if Bow wasn't around at all, those two would never get along.

While Adora and Glimmer are having these deep arcs, Bow is just.... There. Like Swift Wind and the Princesses. The Horde side does a great job at using every character to enrich Catra's story, neither Entrapta nor Scorpia are Glimmer levels of deep but they get the jpb done. However, the Alliance side seems to be bloated because it only wants to focus on Adora, Light Hope, Mara, and Glimmer.

I actually like Bow a lot more towards the end of season 4 and within season 5, which is when he starts to... actually interact with other characters for once???

He gets into his conflict with Glimmer and finally stands up for himself and you get an investment in that relationship whereas you would take it for granted before. When Glimmer formally apologises to him, you can't help but cheer. It's nice that he got his time to be angry at her rather than just taking it and trying to smooth over every conflict.

Bow gets lots of 1 on 1 time with Adora, and they have a wholesome friendship. These two are remarkably similar and s5 is easily the best showcase of this. I like how he looks out for her during her time of need. They were overshadowed by Glimmer and Adora for most of the show.

Bow also gets lots of screentime with Entrapta and these two are so funny together (especially when Entrapta and Adora have a chaotic synergy and Bow is tearing his hair out), it was nice getting that friendship payoff - Bow had spent the whole show trying to get Entrapta to join the Rebellion, and Entrapta had spent the whole show searching for true friendship, and they finally teamed up and got what they wanted. They were able to relate just a little bit over their struggles, too, and during his own crisis with Glimmer, Bow helped her have faith in friendship again, which saved her life. Very sweet. Also shout out to Don't Go -"I learnt the hand thing from Bow!" - do you think she goes to him for friendship tips and tricks?

And there's their "son" Wrong Hordak. I do think of the entire season, those three got some of the funniest moments and probably made it easier for kids to watch.

Bow and Catra is a fun dynamic, as is Bow and Scorpia, we only got a little bit of time with these two but I would be more than happy to see more especially as Bow is a good foil to Catra and he and Scorpia are like-minded middle-man friends, lmao.

I don't know why he only wears crop tops and I'm afraid to ask.

I think Bow gets done dirty by fans because he is unequivocally just There as the extra friend, hell if Glimmer and Adora get into a fight Bow is always incredibly passive no matter who is obviously right and wrong. I know there’s precedent for this in the show but sometimes fic makes Glimmer go waaaay too far and Bow is still acting neutral, and then I do feel bad for him if I’m reading a fic where Glimmer and Catra have a lot of romantic tension while he’s dating Glimmer. Also a couple months back I got into a huge fandom argument cos I said he was smarter than Hordak. I don’t think enough fanfic takes advantage of Bow’s friendships with Adora and Entrapta, even if the fic is using those characters a lot.

#she ra #spop #bow

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emblazons · 1 year

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You seem to view the show very differently than I do, so it made me want to ask how you perceive El and what you think are her strongest and most defining characteristics?

This has been sitting in my ask for a few days now, and I've not been avoiding it so much as I've been trying to formulate a coherent answer...so. Apologies for the delay, and the fact that this might still be a little all over the place (esp since I don't want to write a whole novel for an ask lmao).

To be completely honest, there are kind of "two sides" of El to me—there is the side of her that is processing her own identity as someone who was denied self-understanding (of her past, of her powers, etc), and the side that is processing herself as a relational and interpersonal human being. I don't think they are inherently "separate" parts her, and there are a lot of things about both sides that crossover, but...at the end of the day, there is a side of El that no one else in this show understands, because (even different than Henry) she is the only character who (before the events of the show) never knew an existence outside of the lab, and therefore came into the main narrative of our story from a place without many of the preconceived notions about what life should or shouldn't be that define most of our other characters.

Of course that is no longer true as we move into S5—El has enough experience and even wisdom to start making educated decisions about what she does and doesn't want, both in terms of relationships (familial, platonic and romantic) and how she wants to utilize her powers—but that aspect of her is something I always try to factor into my understanding of her character, and her overarching arc as well (especially considering that, from the pitch of the show, she was separated from every other description and called the outsider). If anything, the fact that El's entire journey has been about an inherent "outsider" finding home (shout out to the og pitch ET comparison) is one of the more fascinating parts of what defines her character—and what I hope to see come full circle in S5.

As for her "characteristics:" I think she is inherently curious, intuitive and insightful; she has a deep sense of justice and loyalty, as well as a ferocious protective streak for those she cares for. She is somewhat weary and a bit withdrawn, though time with people she trusts have slowly chipped away at the fears that her upbringing brought out in her and made her more courageous as a character. She is prone to being somewhat deceitful and even jealous at times, but she is also a quick learner and highly adaptable—on top of being strong mentally, emotionally and physically (even without her powers—looking at that Angela concussion & it taking several doctors to take her down at Nina when she first saw Brenner lmao).

As time has gone on, she has also grown into someone who is highly invested in her self-actualization—defining herself on her own terms, and "making her own rules." Its what makes her journey from someone completely dependent on others/used to serve other people's interests into someone self-defining & autonomous all the more powerful, imo.

I hope that answers your question! And thanks for the ask. :)

#I didn't touch on any of her interpersonal stuff really? but I've made several posts about that before (and can expand if desired lol)#hope you see this anon??#and also curious as to how you perceive the show so differently lol #el hopper #in this house we love el hopper #the me tag #my st commentary #asks

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