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inficetegodwottery · 9 months

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So. Werewolf 5th Edition.

Werewolf 5th edition sucks. A lot.

Edit- I made some errors in my initial edit of this post that were fuelled entirely by being underinformed and almost insensible with anger, disappointment, and anxiety.

Some very informative responses have been made that I intend to incorporate into a much better and less rambling post with those updates and corrections. I'll probably delete this one soon as I type that one together, so folks only see the updated version.

Sorry for any mistakes I made on this old version, again, I was in an extremely poor place mentally and thoroughly dispirited by the total butchering of what was supposed to be a less shitty and mean-spirited version of a setting I care deeply for despite its foundational flaws and 30+ year history of exactly this thing happening.

I'm still very, very angry. But it's important to be angry and correct. This post was not made by someone informed of all the facts, and I intend to correct that.

Paradox Interactive has made the brave decision to reboot the controversial Werewolf the Apocalypse setting entirely rather than try and fix it, and have somehow done a worse job than the games studio that released an RPG book titled an ethnic slur.

It's taken me almost a month since this came out to be anywhere near mentally prepared enough to even collect my thoughts on it.

Man, it is rare to see an edition of ANYTHING that pisses off old players, new players, players who want to keep the lore the same, players who want to change the lore, conservative players, radical players, and even powergamers.

How do you set out with the intention of making an infamously dated and poorly researched/outreached setting LESS uncomfortable and racist from a modern perspective.... and end up with something EVEN MORE racist and uncomfortable, but also suffocatingly tonedeaf, insincere, and deeply sinister and corporate in its erasure of existing issues rather than addressing them whatsoever.

We made the Get of Fenris irredeemably evil because some of them in the past were nazis and also nazis like Germanic mythology, so the viking werewolves are all nazis now.

Okay, I understand why you did that from a modern political perspective even if its kind of heavy hand-

The Native American werewolf tribes have been removed entirely and replaced with American Murican werewolf tribes. Renaming and rewriting them to be more respectful was just too much work! Now they're more inclusive. :)

The Irish werewolf tribe is now the Nature Werewolves tribe, like every other tribe of Werewolves also is, but also stripped completely of celtic origins.

The Red Talons are openly genocidal ecofascist malthusians and somehow NOT IRREDEEMABLY EVIL like the Get of Fenris are.

Also the feminist all women werewolves are no longer all women or even feminist. AND ALSO SOME OF THEM ARE SOCIAL DARWINISTS AND THATS SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD THING!?!

Also we entirely dropped the themes about how forcing children to be a part of a war they barely understand while also lying to them about the crimes their ancestors committed that led to the current crisis is fucked up and evil.

Now its actually awesome to be a child soldier born into a repressive apocalyptic death cult with a siege mentality and everything is cool about that actually, you're the Good Guys, and no amount of covered-up historic genocides or internal/external bigotry will ever change that! :)

Also we solved the way people were uncomfortable with the idea that werewolf society is transitioning messily from being horrible ableist assholes that discriminated for centuries against those they view as deformed, disabled, or sexual deviants to new generations that don't care about that stuff, by removing disabled werewolves entirely! Problem solved! No more discomfort or moral conundrums! We are the liberal-est!

There's just something so unbelievably fucked up and suspicious about erasing entire minorities from a fictional universe because they were handled poorly in the first edition, rather than talking to writers and outreach specialists FROM the real world equivalents to those minorities to try and rewrite them.

Don't worry, we removed the group the setting was bigoted against! Problem solved! Just remove the minority!

I've written my own post on why the Metis/Crinos-born should be renamed and probably rewritten, but as a severely disabled individual with multiple hereditary disabilities that severely impact my QoL, outright removing disabled characters in a work of fiction because the prejudice other characters showed them in-universe made people uncomfortable makes me want to tear out someone's throat with my teeth.

Sure, completely remove my ability to play disabled a character fighting back against prejudice and bigotry, rather than rewrite the most uncomfortable aspects of YOUR FUCKING PORTRAYAL OF THOSE CHARACTERS to make it more clear who the sympathetic one is supposed to be.

It's just so unbelievably cowardly and whinging and wretched.

So fuck it, I guess!

Fuck the deeply applicable themes of being born into a well-intentioned but deeply flawed and bigoted society, and trying to create the better world your parents always told you your ancestors fought for, while dealing with the fact that your world is built on mass graves those ancestors helped fill.

Fuck a game that deals with intergenerational trauma and the ethical hellscape that is a highly religious society devoted to the very same ideals it often violates just to win fights against the enemies it created through its own arrogance and prejudice.

Fuck a game that lets you play someone born different, born strange and sickly, bouncing constantly between people who pity you and people who view you as subhuman, before finally finding the people, the family who love and accept and fight alongside you for a world that has never accepted you, but WILL FUCKING KNOW YOUR NAME.

That's not relevant to the real world at all!

There are no kids born in deeply flawed and hypocritical societies, who grew up on stories of the glorious future their society would create, forced then to reconcile the hopeful dreams of a better world with the comprehensive list of horrific things done in the name of that future.

There are no children born confused and alone in their navigation of the maze that is past atrocities, ethnic conflicts, religious prejudice and dogma, or modern propaganda attempting to erase the histories of all of those things.

There are no disabled teens who spent their lives believing they didn't belong in the world, kept going only by the connections they forged with other outsiders and people who fought back against the kind of wretched bigotry that suffocates children to death, who found homes and families they could trust outside the pissant communities they were born into.

Apparently those people don't need a game! They don't need to explore those feelings!

Just throw some more nazis in, so we can pretend we care about social issues or understand the redeeming threads of a deeply flawed gameline, ostensibly so we market it to leftist youngsters, but while we also erase the entire point of a game WHICH IS ALL ABOUT BEING PUNKASS YOUNGSTERS DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIND THE REDEEMING THREADS OF A DEEPLY FLAWED AND PREJUDICED SOCIETY THAT CONSTRAINS THEM, FINDING A WAY TO REBEL AGAINST BOTH THE EVILS OF THE RACIST BASTARDS WHO RAISED THEM AND THE POMPOUS SHITHEADS WHO WANT TO DESTROY THE WORLD OUT OF GREED.

No! We want a squeaky clean, sterile white game that AmericanTM parents can be proud of their kids for playing! A marketable game, that advertisers will gladly pay Revenue to put their products in! Play the good guys, everyone! You're the good guys! Be a big werewolf UwU!

Don't worry about historical atrocities or the flaws of the society that raised you! That's Pentex propaganda!

Fighting bad guys means you can't do anything bad yourself! The Emperor told me so! Deus Gaia Vult!

A hollow, performative, offensive jizzstain that should've been scrapped in its crib. I have no idea how this edition got past a quality assurance team.

Hell I have no idea how it got past a legal team, given the number of real peoples' likenesses they used without permission.

Devoid of artistic integrity or merit.

#werewolf the apocalypse #W5 #wta #owod #world of darkness #I'm just so tired man #putting most of this under a TLDR so I don't flashbang people with tabletop rpg drama #I genuinely thought the new writers would be better at this stuff than the old White Wolf #Nope.#turns out they're just as bad #I shouldn't have expected anything more from them after the V5 Chechnya bullshit #but I guess I just had the dumb notion of hoping they'd gotten better #how the fuck do you do worse than a company that wrote a sourcebook about the Holocaust???!?

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tricoufamily · 1 year

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he's too hot to be called greg. you gotta call him gregory

#tbh i have never paid one ounce of attention to the werewolves why did no one tell me greg's human form was a large old man in a suit #i assumed he was just some boring looking young adult in a flannel #we could have all been writing steamy vladgreg fanfiction this whole #i thought i could makeover his werewolf form too. hubris describes a personality quality of extr #i was like i can't believe there's literally no alpha werewolf horror cc that makes them look actually scary how have we not done this #like ohhhhhhh i see they're literally unfixable got it never mind #ts4 #ts4 cas #the sims 4 #townie makeover #does he have a tag?? what would it even be hashtag greg

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carnivorousyandeere · 5 months

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Got to go to work but thinking about scruffy old man Mason in the morning. Dark circles, beard and hair all mussed… old plaid pajama pants, a white tee you can see his nipple piercing through… absentmindedly drinking coffee with one hand, scratching his belly with the other, unintentionally lifting his shirt so you get a glimpse of his happy trail…

#been too long since we Sexualized That Old Man!#oc Mason #werewolf #werewolves #oc werewolves #yandere werewolf #werewolf pack #my thoughts #yandere #yandere oc #yandere imagines #yandere scenarios #yandere x darling #yandere x you #yandere x reader #yandere cw

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stellarsightz · 9 months

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Dear Sithis,

Is it gay to let your boss put lipstick on you. Time sensitive pls answer. Thanks. Yours faithfully, Cicero.

#very loosey goosey sketch sorry 'bout that #pluto stop sexyfying that old man challenge failed #also eughh i know growing your nails out wouldn't work very well for an assassin but. a girl can dream ok #something something he's a werewolf so they grow fast etc etc. or lyn is just fancy like that what do you know #tried drawing cicero w an aquiline nose bc he's from fantasy flavoured roman empire but im not sure if its very noticeable lol #oh well. practice makes perfect #wip #sketch #cicero skyrim #stellar.artz

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dent-de-leon · 18 days

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RESURRECTION MAGIC IS BACK?? WE ARE SO BACK BABY--

#SHAKING THIS LITTLE ELDERLY WEREWOLF #YOU BETTER LIVE ANOTHER 100 YEARS OLD MAN #critical role spoilers

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mothlau · 8 months

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modern wolfstar but sirius is a scam tarot reader at small town fairs (he got the cards from a thrift store for a few pounds, watched one video on how to read them and he decided it's his best shot at making some money to survive). cue the fair where he's working ends up in a small town from wales where, lo and behold, he keeps pulling the moon and the death card for everyone. a small child that can't be older than 5? they get the death card. an old lady who wanted to know how her tomatoes will do this summer? death.

now, sirius does know that the death card means new beginnings and it's not as bad as it seems but everyone just starts calling him names and his clientele lessens by the day because everyone finds out about his cards and how he's the bringer of death (literally no one died since he got there so he finds the new nickname a bit overkill).

he's too worried about his scamming abilities though. he just can't shake the weird feeling he gets when he pulls moon out again, even after he takes the damn card out of his pack because he's sick of seeing it (he leaves the death card in because he does find it funny)

but then, on the night before the full moon, when he's just getting ready to pack his cards and cheap props and call it a day, a farmer comes to get a reading. he's still in his overalls because he came straight from the farm here to check out the card reader who the villagers keep saying is predicting deaths on the full moon to see what the fuss is about.

sirius is smitten as soon as the farmer opens his mouth, but imagine his surprise when he hears that he's been slowly making people fear him again, after he just convinced them that he's a kind guy. and imagine his bigger surprise when the cute farmer with hay stuck in his hair and mud on his overalls tells him he's a werewolf.

#my man would be stressed because hello??? what do you mean a werewolf buddy im a SCAM!!!!#meanwhile remus is patiently waiting for him to calm down so that they can make a plan on how to clear this up #because believe it or not #its hard making business when people think you wanna kill their 5 yo child and their tomatoes on the full moon #he just wants to tend to his sheep #sell milk and make cheese hes not asking for too much #somewhere along the way sirius realises oh maybe im not such a scam after all whoops #because i did just predict meeting my soulmate through these thrifted cards hehe #and the old ladys tomatoes did die in the end but thats because the soil wasnt optimal for them and instead she started planting #*spins the wheel* pumpkins and my god they thrived #sirius black #remus lupin #wolfstar #marauders #wolfstar au #wolfstar fic #harry potter #marauder era

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rhetthammersmithhorror · 2 years

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Dracula (the dirty old man) ✧ 1969

#Dracula The Dirty Old Man #William Edwards #monster movie #werewolf #wolfman #lycanthrope #Dracula #monster mask #Hammersmith Horror #horror

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see-arcane · 4 months

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Your 'Ghouls are Deaths hunting dogs' idea reminds me of the one guy who, when accused of being a werewolf, said that werewolves were the hounds of God who battled witches and demons. Anne Rice (yes, she of vampire fame) wrote at least two books with a similar premise (wolven shapeshifters that can smell evil and hunt only the wicked. The books are called 'The Wolf Gift' and 'The Wolves of Midwinter' BTW.)

Vampires VS Werewolves has always been a tasty concept. I could especially see a grudge happening in the Dracula canon, considering how happy the Count is to make slavering puppets of ordinary wolves and muscle them into danger and violence against their will. I've seen it done well in tons of monster mashing media, but it's kind of lost its flavor to me as a 'gimme' of supernatural horror.

But it'd be very fun to abuse the werewolf foe assumption based on 1) A lupine profile in the head and 2) Being seen munching on a corpse...

Only for the observer to realize that's a canine (even jackal or hyena-ish) head on those misshapen shoulders and that corpse it's ripping apart isn't a fresh kill. It's full of maggots. Or worse.

Dead, but not done being sentient.

Rest in pieces, Count de Ville. 🍽

#though frankly I'd like to play with as many monsters as possible in this bloodstained sandbox #just got to dig up some more old school stories on the subject #the main stuff I've seen has all been post-1900 and vaguely The Wolfman/Wolf Man-flavored #(yes I do have to force homework into my Rules-Free Imagination Land writing. I have to get a good grade in Referencing Old Lit or I'll die #werewolf #vampire #ghoul

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addaxus · 2 years

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“The Werewolf of Colombia” Chapter 3 “The Beast”

Is finally out! Sorry for the long wait!

I did two versions of this one since I loved both. One is the parallel reflection and the other is just his reflection as a werewolf.

#encanto #encanto brainrot #bruno madrigal #the werewolf of colombia #encanto werewolf au #old man werewolf #werewolves #digitalart #art #myart #his struggle is real #reflections

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wereh0gz · 5 months

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Thinking abt old man Sonic again......

I have this image in my head of Sonic being all excited and visibly happy abt something and is rambling on and on (probably abt an old book he re-read recently that he had forgotten the plot to) and going really fast and stumbling over his words and stuttering bc his mouth can't keep up with his thoughts but he doesn't care and just keeps infodumping

Meanwhile Tails gives him his full attention, making sure he knows he's listening bc he missed seeing Sonic so.. Alive. Like, really, truly alive. Which doesn't happen all that often now that he's over 200 years old and his countless near-death (and actual-death) experiences have taken their toll. It's just nice to see him be so happy and more like his younger self again. And of course Sonic himself is happy to feel this way again bc he's free of any worries and pains if only for a little while

They both treasure these little moments for eternety

#ramblings #old man sonic au #ouuughhhh #it's the little moments. when you've been through so much hell you appreciate the little things that bring joy so much more #scruffy old werewolf demigod hedgehog and old kitsune mechanic my beloveds #i like to think sonic stutters a little more in general when he's older but it gets really noticeable when he gets excited #sometimes he just struggles with speaking in general. like just coming up with what to say. words are hard y'know #but he starts rambling abt random things sometimes and it's fun and makes him happy to ramble in spite of that #he's just happy to talk and get his thoughts out and tails is happy to listen and see his bro smile like he used to again

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towards-toramunda · 7 months

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I think the shard is gonna go to fearne because it makes sense with her powers and being a wild fire Druid, but I think it’d be funny/cool as fuck if it went to chetney

#critical role #cr spoilers #fearne calloway #chetney pock o'pea #just think about the flaming werewolf old man for one second

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carnivorousyandeere · 11 months

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uh uh i hope you dont mind that I might spew some stewing thoughts i have as i go through your ocs cause my brain goes brr when i read about your ocs

but after reading Mason's abc's I just wanna go and tease him so bad! Like, i'd bring him a packed lunch regardless if he packed on anyways or not, and go into his office dressed all cute and nice "Just wanted to look nice to come see you and deliver hot food for you!" just innocent little domestic bliss

Then I'll tease him to hell and back. Bending over in front of him to pick something up, rubbing his shoulders and whispering little bits of ✨spice✨ when he is trying to do paperwork or take phone calls

and when someone comes to visit his office and Mason has to struggle to keep a straight face and calm composure while i suck him off underneath his desk cause i missed him too much and couldnt wait for him to get back to the lodge and because im a menace and like bothering this old man

Under the Desk

( MDNI )

CW: oral/deepthroating, public/semi-public sex

Of course~!! This ask was so good already, wasn’t sure what more to add ;)

Imagining him fighting back a blush and clenching his fist on the desk while a deputy is trying to explain that they’ll need new training courses soon. He’s trying to concentrate and focus, but your tongue running up the underside of his cock is making it so difficult.

He buries his head in his hands, sighing like the whole world’s on his shoulders.

The deputy stops. “Somethin wrong, Chief?”

“Just a little headache,” Mason growls, making sure your eyes meet his before he closes them again.

“Oh, sorry Chief. I’ll come back later.” You think the deputy’s left, but then he pops his head back into Mason’s office. “You need ibuprofen or something?”

You choke on a laugh around Mason’s cock, which he quickly covers up as a cough.

“No, thank you. I just need a few minutes.”

(‘Protect and serve,’ my ass. Rn the only thing he’s protecting is his reputation, and the only one ‘serving’ is you 😏)

#this made me so happy ngl #love messing with that old man #mail 📬#oc mason #werewolf #werewolves #yandere werewolf #my thoughts #yandere #yandere oc #yandere imagines #yandere scenarios #yandere x darling #yandere x reader #yandere x you #yandere cw #mdni #nsft

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