#I actually really enjoy complex and morally grey characters
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TUA SEASON 3 SPOILERS
"So you draw the line at SA???"
Yeah, sue me for that, fucker.
#allison hargreeves#tua spoilers#tua season 3#tua season 3 spoilers#Tw sa#I actually really enjoy complex and morally grey characters#Female characters need to be able to be explore in their full potential and don't be always perfect angels or bad bitches w/o remorse#There is a world in between#That said I'm uncomfortable with SA so I have the right to back off and say I draw the line there#I would be uncomfortable with every one of the protagonist committing SA on somebody else#So I don't see why she should get a pass???#I saw somebody say she should get a pass because she's a black queen and I'm pretty much sure that's super racist? Like? What?#You're saying that she done that because she didn't known any better since she's black?! What the fuck?! Usamericans are you alright?!
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I know a lot of ppl ask u abt jason or dick but im wondering now, what do u think about bruce? I find him a very interesting character whose characterization is incredibly feeble, both bc of his 80 years of history and the tendency writers have to project their own male fantasies on him. So i'd definitely love to hear ur own thoughts about him. I personally enjoy depicting him as someone morally grey, although my sympatization for him changes day to day. Wether you think he is a good or a bad person, i believe u need to make him dedicated to gotham and the bat as a symbol, and that comes with all its advantages and drawbacks
bruce wayne is sooooo interesting (derogatory) because like u said, he carries the baggage of every masochismo author that decided batman was too woke and should hurt his kids and that supporting gotham’s infrastructure is for pussies. there’s also the flipside of that, where he’s the perfect father who’s waaaay too emotionally regulated for my taste. both of these interpretations are bad imo, and both functionally miss the point.
i think part of this (in fandom) is an obsession with moral angst — u can either be a good person doing good things, or a bad person doing bad things. think about how some characters are crucified while others are babied. someone always has to be absolutely right, and the other has to be absolutely wrong.
in reality, there are a lot of people who are fundamentally kind and fundamentally want to do good that are really terrible to the people in their lives. bruce wayne being someone who relies on having so much control that it implodes his connections to the people around him is an important part of his character. his profound love for his children, for gotham and her people, for humanity in general and his belief in peoples ability to change, doesn’t circumvent the fact that he’s often an emotionally abusive man who hurts others to achieve his own ends. he contains multitudes.
writing him as a functionally irredeemable, violently abusive person is the anti-thesis to the symbol that he himself created. no, i personally don’t believe he actively beats his kids (even though it’s supported in the text). no, i don’t think he’s an irredeemable sadist (as much as frank miller wants u to believe otherwise). to have people like dick grayson and diana and clark and dinah love and believe in u means that there has to be something there worth caring about, otherwise the whole universe is gonna fall apart.
that’s what makes his relationship to cass so interesting — he sees his neuroticism, his dedication to the cause above all else, and does not find it admirable. he finds it confronting and upsetting. and to be clear, cass (like dick) is very much the moral ideal of what batman should be, but still bruce finds it hard to deal with!!
his abject failures — his treatment of the robins, his crippling guilt about jason, his fears of becoming a killer, the impossible load he gives himself to carry — means that when he’s shown as someone who genuinely cares, it makes him more complex. like yeah, bruce isn’t actually a cold hearted person. he really really gives a shit. too many shits, to be totally honest. he’s a morally grey person that wants to do good, but is so terrified of losing control that he keeps others away and hurts them in the process. there’s a reason why his emotional crutch was a traumatised eight year old fr. nothing is more important than the mission, including bruce wayne himself
#brucie baby (derogatory)#bruce Wayne#cassandra cain#dick grayson#batman#batfam#dc comics#the ask and the answer
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I keep seeing so many people here getting angry that this season is "vilifying Ed", and it's depressingly fascinating to see how others can watch the same show and somehow see something completely different. Is it simply the lack of media literacy? Is it the inability to appreciate and enjoy complex, nuanced, morally grey characters without willfully blocking out anything even slightly unpalatable about them to the point where the character they think they love isn't really that character anymore?
Because, uh... Season 1 already "vilified" Ed plenty. Except "vilify" is the wrong word, of course. It wasn't in any way malicious or mean-spirited, quite the contrary, it was often played as comedic (until the end of episode 10 when it was anything but) - Ed was always meant to be a sympathetic character, he's a protagonist after all, and the show's portrayal of him is very compassionate. It merely refused to sugarcoat or shy away from his darker side. He's literally history's most famous pirate, you don't become one by being nice and treating everyone gently. He ambushed and strangled his own father to death when he was like 9 years old (100% deserved and justifiable ofc, but it still bears saying it out loud like this just to comprehend how unhinged this actually was). He loves torturing and maiming people for fun, and sometimes even animals (that scene with forcing a turtle to fight a crab). He didn't give a fuck about his crew members dying to satisfy his whim to meet Stede. He entirely failed in his role as a captain in ep 4. He effectively played a double agent with Izzy and Stede for a while before changing his mind. He attempted to murder Lucius. And while you could try to argue his punishment of Izzy was at least to some degree deserved, not only cutting Izzy's toe off but forcing him to eat went beyond punishment, it was sadistic torture.
So, yeah, please just read all that and take it in. And then remember once again that Ed is also a traumatised, lonely, depressed, sensitive, creative, curious, deeply passionate person yearning for true love and for something different in life... just like Stede. He loves music and can play the piano. He wrote a very vulnerable song and sand his heart out. He likes his tea with seven sugars. He enjoys fashion and dressing up. He has such a limitless sense of wonder for the world. He went on a trek with Stede just to make him happy, even though he hated nature and was in a shit mood that day. He wants to host a talent show. He wants to become free. He's clever and funny and fascinating. I love Ed.
Yes, it's possible to reconcile those two sides of him and accept both sides as the "real" Ed. You have to reconcile the two sides if you want to enjoy him as a character, because if you don't, you're going to either detest him to the core (which would make enjoying the show practically impossible since he's sort of a main character...), or you'll only be able to enjoy a diminished, crippled, cardboard cutout version of his character, which would be such a pity and a massive disservice to the creators of this show who worked hard to create interesting, multidimensional characters.
Not to mention you'd be missing one of the core messages of the show - the idea that people still deserve love and can be loved even if they're imperfect, or not necessarily good people. Because love is a human condition. It's not a sole dominion of "good" people. "Bad" people can fall in love too - even if, just like them, that love isn't exactly "nice" or "pure", and neither are the relationships that stem from it. They can be messy and exasperating. But "bad" people can also grow and change because of it. That's what OFMD is ultimately about - growth and change, learning to accept yourself but also become better. That can't happen if the character is already 100% perfect the way they are.Ed is far from that. So is Izzy. They can both become better, and they both still deserve compassion and understanding, because that's the environment people need to become better.
So, if you're mad that at the start of S2 the crew are sympathetic to Izzy's suffering and want to help him instead of kicking him when he's down, and what Ed did to him is being acknowledged as cruel and wrong... congratulations, you have completely missed what OFMD is all about.
#normally I hate fandom drama and hate getting involved but I've seen too many of those posts#so unfortunately it needs saying#and tbh there seem to be a few Izzy fans out there who are unreasonably hateful and unsympathetic towards Ed too#so they need to hear this as well#izzy hands#blackbeard#ofmd ed teach#ofmd#our flag means death#our flag means death s2#ofmd s2 spoilers
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Goodbye, My Dear Stranger (6)*
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Pairing(s): (Jake Lockley x Reader, Steven Grant x Reader) (Marc Spector x Reader later on) [Pre-Moon Knight show]
Chapter Character(s): Steven Grant, Jake Lockley
Content/Tags: SMUT +18, morally grey main character, one sided non-exclusive relationship, Steven just being the nicest man in the world and the horniest, Consensual Voyeurism (wink wink), fingering, oral (f!receiving), dry-humping, cum eating, PinV, praise kink, dirty talk, jealous talk, too many pet names, hair pulling, biting, Jake being a munch BELIEVERS RISE.
Word Count: 6.8k
Summary: Wanting to take things slow with Steven, you find your mind going back to Jake, good thing is all in your head, right?
Guess who is back from the dead? YEAH, me bitches! I am so sorry for disappearing for so long, writers block is a bitch, but I needed to deliver this as soon as I could. So, ofc, this has not been edited so I apologize for any errors u might find, ENJOY AND HAPPY HALLOWEEN WEEK!
Your skin feels hot, a thin layer of sweat forms as your head falls back, eyes rolled back as your mouth hangs open. You let out a breathy gasp, your stomach tightening as you feel your heartbeat faster. It’s exhilarating, the warmth of his breath against your pelvis as his mouth is enclosed around your clit, tongue licking slowly, taking his time as he did so. His grip on your thighs is strong, bruising them as your back arches, air leaving your lungs as you start to feel the rise of your orgasm.
You looked back down with heavy eyes as you locked them with him. A dark gaze looks at you from between your legs, his curls soft when your hand runs through them, moving his hair away. The action makes him bite your inner thigh, a yelp falls from your lips, he smirks as he kisses the teeth marks.
You just had to answer the phone, didn’t you?
Turns out the café would be back in business two days after your last encounter with Jake. You had gotten the morning shift that week, working through your day with a smile for the customers, preparing and serving them. The ride back was long, or at least that’s how it felt. Lids heavy as you unlock the entrance to the complex, the lift opening to reveal one of your neighbors walking off. All you could think of while at work was to get back to your flat, lay down on your comfy bed and fall asleep for a little. That would’ve been ideal, but as soon as you walked through the door your phone rang.
It was Steven. His voice chimed from the other side, surely with a smile on his face. You closed the door behind you.
‘Hi, love, you on your way home?’ Steven asked, you nodded to yourself.
‘Already am. Just got here actually.’ You sighed as you walked past the living room window, dropping your bag on the couch.
‘Oh really? Yep, just saw you walk by.’ He let out a small laugh, you turn to see him getting closer to his window.
You send him a quick wave before heading to the fridge.
‘Worked early today?’ You ask him, inside the fridge was your beloved wine bottle, you took it and closed the door with your hip.
‘Yeah, actually made it in time, can you believe that?’ You laugh, shaking your head.
‘Hardly.’ You tease, ‘What did Donna say?’
You poured yourself a glass, taking a quick sip from the bottle before placing it down.
‘Well, the only reason I made it in time was because I woke up thinking I was already late. So Donna was very surprised when she saw me walk in thirty minutes early. She even looked worried, I had no clue she could even show any other emotion.’
‘Geez, thirty!? No wonder she did, I would be too, thinking something must have happened.’
Steven laughs on the other end, then he goes quiet for a second. You wait, hoping for him to speak but, there is something about the silence that makes you worry.
‘You still there?’ You ask softly, not wanting to startle him if anything.
A small mhm comes from the other line, you tilt your head to the side, he sounds unsure.
‘Can you go towards the window?’ Steven asked.
‘Sure, just give me a sec.’ You left your glass on the table and walked towards your living room, the curtain was halfway open, allowing some sunlight to peek through.
You pushed the fabric to the side; it was then you smiled. Across from you was Steven, a smile on his lips as he waved at you once more from his window.
‘Wanted to stop by and say hi at the shop, but you know, Donna.’ He scoffed, his voice sounded slower, with weight to it.
Even from a distance the dark circles around his eyes were darker. ‘You look tired Steven. Have you rested?’
‘I have just not been sleeping too well in the last two days, that’s all.’ You frowned but decided not to push it.
‘Try and rest for a little, it helps me whenever I feel stressed.’ Steven shook his head.
‘Can I tell you something?’ He asks, you nod.
‘Of course.’
‘I know I told you about my punctuality issues, but there’s sort of a reason why.’ Steven sighs, you start to worry. ‘I have these terrible nightmares; they feel almost too real. Sometimes I wake up in pain, perhaps I toss around too much. So, I sort of, try not to go to sleep.’
You feel your chest heavier with his words, the implication that Steven purposely avoided sleeping given his nightmares and the physical strain it put on his body was evident.
‘Have you tried talking with a specialist? Not sleeping for long periods of time can affect you, Steven.’ You see him shake his head.
‘Haven’t. I should though, really should.’
‘If it helps, I can research with you, find a good one that can help you.’ You reassure him, trying to let him know you want to help.
‘You don’t have to do that.’ He looks up, meeting your gaze with sad eyes.
‘I want to, Steven.’
‘I’m sorry for calling, I wanted to hear your voice. Is silly, I know.’ You looked down, a soft smile appeared on your lips.
‘Is not silly, Steven. It’s nice to hear that actually.’ You confessed and looked up.
It was hard to fully make out Steven’s eyes, but you saw him sigh, tilting his head to the side to once again look up at you.
‘It is rather nice, I think, talking to each other like this. Wouldn't you think?’
‘Yeah, but if I’m honest, it also makes me think of a prison visit.’ Your words cause Steven to laugh wholeheartedly.
‘That is also a perspective. But I do have a nice view and can see the whole world. I don't think an inmate can say the same, can they?’
‘Not much of a view Steven, my flat blocks any view.’ You saw him shaking his head.
‘Still a good view, I can see you.’ Steven then seems to turn around for a brief second before he turns to look back at you. ‘I really wonder, what made you like doing this?’
‘Like what?’ You asked and Steven gestures to you and him, then at his surroundings.
‘Watching. What caught your attention?’
It was your turn to sigh. You had not expected Steven to forget about the subject, but you didn’t have an answer in mind, a well thought out explanation in your logic and in your possible irrationality.
‘I can tell you; I could probably lie as well.’ You looked at him with a small smile before you looked down, your fingers reaching for the window, your nails drawing shapes on it. ‘It’s stupid, Steven.’
‘You can tell me.’ He responded immediately; his voice was soft, warm.
‘I’ve lived here for almost a year now. The Green Wall is the only place I feel safe, is what I know, is where my only friends are. I followed the same routine for the past year, over and over again.’ You said, you couldn’t hear Steven on the phone, and neither could you see him as you continued staring down.
‘Then one night there was this light across my window starting to turn on during midnight. I saw a shadow pace about, then it would stay still for hours as it sat down to read, it was like watching a ghost, except, it made me feel accompanied. So, I no longer saw the ghost as a lonely soul, but as something I could share my late nights with even if the ghost was not aware.’
Ten seconds passed in silence after you spoke, you feared looking up, not knowing if Steven was even standing there anymore.
‘You thought of me as a ghost?’ Steven asked with genuine curiosity. You laugh.
‘That’s your big takeaway?’ You looked up, finding him leaning his forehead on the window, with his eyes closed and a smile on his lips.
‘One of them. When I saw you at the gift shop, it wasn’t the first time. I knew you looked familiar when you approached to talk to me, but it wasn’t until the next day that it dawned on me. I had seen you all the time on the bus, glance your way more than once, my eyes always following the same path towards you. I’ve always thought you were beautiful.’
You felt breathless, his words careful and sincere. Then he looks at you, his hand on the window, you feel your chest heavy.
‘I wish I knew what you saw.’ He says with a quick laugh, and you feel your cheeks warm.
‘You could.’ You say immediately as you see him tilt his head.
‘Watch you? I don’t wanna make you uncomfortable.’ He sounds worried.
‘You won’t, I will admit that it makes me curious to know what it is like to be on the other end. If you don’t feel uncomfortable then it’s okay. You asked what got me to do it in the first place, I guess it’s easier to find out for yourself.’
‘That sounds easier than it probably is.’ He nervously laughs, and you shake your head.
This man was surprising you, the way he doesn’t even bat an eye does make you wonder what he might truly hide behind those doe eyes of his.
The door shut slowly behind Steven; his body heavy as he moved through the clutter of his flat. He flipped the kitchen switch; light quickly illuminated his space and sighed. He had forgotten to clean the dishes before he left, having already been too late to even do so. He could clean them in the morning, he thought. Right now, what he needed was to lay down, just for a minute or two. Water droplet created a path as the man walked around, tossing his jacket on a chair without care. He dropped his bag on the table, bringing his right hand to his face and dragging it down as he rolled his eyes.
Rain had caught up to him on his way to the bus stop, leaving him all drenched on his way home. It was so late already, the cold of the night sure to do its job if he didn’t shower before bed.
His hair was wet, sticking to his forehead as he removed his shirt. His left hand quickly ran through his hair and scratched the back of his neck. Then he let his hands drop without care, hitting his thighs from weight with a thud.
It had been a long day, Donna had forced him to work an extra shift given the fact he had shown up late once again. Of course his once in a lifetime trick of showing up early didn’t work this time. His sleep schedule had already been a mess, but he had surprisingly woken up only to find himself having the biggest headache of his life, the pain not even allowing him to focus through the day.
He knew his body craved his bed and a soft pillow under his head, but he knew better. Even the thought of falling asleep made his body go rigid, his muscles ached.
Steven made his way towards his couch, dropping himself on the cushions, he took off his shoes and socks. The hardwood floor was cold on his skin, making him shiver. He was about to rest on the couch when in the corner of his eye a light flicker. He looked towards it and realized it was coming from your flat.
He stood there, your blinds were drawn, so it allowed him to see inside your flat, so he stood in the middle of his flat watching as you walked by. His heart jumped, a quick rising as he then saw you return back into view, your back facing him as you seem to head to your kitchen.
It was then he remembered your voice from two days ago, ‘I guess it’s easier to find out for yourself.’
Steven barely realized what he was doing when he had already made his way back to the kitchen and killed the light. The flat was dark now, the only light coming from the window thanks to the moonlight. He slowly walked closer to this one, creeping in the dark of his own home, slow quiet steps as if you were to hear them.
When he was closed enough, he saw you as you drank a glass of what looked to be wine, a very full glass. He frowned, he caught his hand trying to reach for his phone, but quickly stopped. Of course he could call you, ask how you were doing, hear your voice, but he wanted to see if he could know what was wrong just by his own means.
You had told him you had watched him during his many sleepless nights, having accompanied him even during his worst nights unbeknownst to you. You had found comfort through that, maybe he could do the same. Perhaps he would understand you, he wanted to understand, seek for that same comfort you found in him.
But as he continued to watch, he felt his heart pumping loudly. You had disappeared for a minute before you returned, seemingly in different clothes, you were wearing a tank top with what he could make out to be shorts. Steven gulped as he watched you take one more sip of the wine, making your way towards your window.
He felt his heart race, have you noticed him standing there? No, there was no way, it was too dark. Oh no, your flat was higher than his, you could see far more into his flat then he could yours. He had already failed at his poor attempt.
But you sat down by the window, grabbing a book and opening it. Steven was stunned, had you not caught him?
Steven watched you, leaning himself against one of the supports that were around his flat. He crossed his arms as he rubbed his chin, his eyes taking in his view. You sat with both your legs on the loveseat, one leg closer to your chest. Your eyes running through the words in the book, one hand still holding the glass as you tilted your head to the side.
You seemed relaxed, he noticed. He subconsciously smiled at this, his heart calming down at the sight of you enjoying yourself. Then, he found his eyes traveling from your face, back to that glass, to your hand holding the book. They looked soft, they were, he remembered.
He gulped again, his heartbeat deciding to pick up again, your legs looked so soft. He could almost feel his fingers squeezing them. Steven then remembers your voice as he pushed his fingers inside you, how sweet it sounded, how breathless you were as you clung to him. How soft and perfect your breast felt on his hands, how fucking much he wanted to touch them again. How pretty you looked as you brushed his hair, how tender you were as you kissed him.
Before he realized, he was already hard. He tried to push the thoughts away, he blames his headache for even thinking of you while in such an inappropriate time. You take another sip of the wine and immediately remembers your lips around his cock.
“Bloody hell.” He lets out, closing his eyes, his head falling back against the wood. “The hell is wrong with you?”
His thoughts betray him once more as he sees you stare up at him through your lashes and he groans. Hitting his head against the wood purposely this time. Steven shakes his head, he didn’t understand why his mind decided to show you in such a way. Of course there was nothing wrong with you, he simply didn’t know why it had decided to show him that part of you.
This was supposed to be him trying to understand you, not him getting hot and heavy at the sight of you just doing something so mundane.
He would need to relieve himself tonight, of course, in the privacy of his shower.
Ring.
His eyes opened wide.
Steven fished around his pockets until he found his phone, the screen lit up, your name was displayed.
‘Incoming Call: Dove 🕊️’
Steven stares at the screen, then looks back towards the windows, there you were with your phone by your ear, waiting for Steven to answer you. He looked back again at his phone, his finger just hoovering the answer icon. You were reaching out to him, wanting something, yet, Steven just had to let his mind wander too far from sanity, his thoughts flashing more of those images of you on your bed. He couldn’t do it, talk to you and pretend everything was alright.
“Just got to wait it out, that’s it.” He says to himself, before he lets the call reach his voicemail.
You stared at your phone; you had tried calling Steven 30 minutes ago, but it sent you to voicemail. There was no light on in his flat, so perhaps he was still at the Museum, or on his way home. Yeah, it had to be that. A sigh escapes you as you glance at your glass, you drink every drop in one go before you stand up from the couch. Today had not been a good day at work, some group of older women decided to pay a visit right before closing, only to ask for things you could not make or even sell, then proceeded to ask for them again but talk to you like you were some sort of idiot. Since they could not have things go their way, they started being absolute cunts, a nightmare. You were grateful Rose had not given a fuck and straight up kicked them out, you knew if the incident were to be brought up to the owner's attention, they would understand, which is why you were thankful for your job.
You walked back to the kitchen where the wine bottle stood, there was still some in it, but not for a full glass. You brought the bottle to your lips and drank it. Your muscles were tight around your shoulders, the alcohol not yet doing the trick. Soft droplets started to fall, bringing your attention to the window. The rain was calming down, you were glad you remembered to bring your umbrella to work this time.
It was then you remembered last time, how it had been Jake who swept in and drove you home. Truthfully, as much as you wanted to pretend you had entirely forgotten about Jake, you couldn’t. Sometimes, on those sleepless nights, your mind would think of your night with Steven, but it would be Jake instead. You felt guilty, the sexual frustration ate at you slowly, but you also couldn’t sleep with Steven knowing damn well you would think of Jake.
You sighed. There was a store not too far from your flat you could walk to, restocking a brand new bottle of wine sounded like the perfect thing to do, well, maybe two bottles. And while you are at it, use the time to cool your head. Yeah, that was a nice plan.
Quickly you walked to your room, looking through your wardrobe for a jacket until you found one.
Before you knew it, you were already one block away from the store. Your umbrella in one hand as the other was in your pocket, keeping it warm. The rain was softer now, yet the cold was unforgiving as you felt your jaw tense. You had opted to still go out with your shorts, tank top, and only your jacket to keep you warm, deeming the trip to be a quick one. When you left your flat you had gotten a text from Steven, telling you he had been in the shower and was gonna try to go to bed. You even had the impulse to ask for a pic, of course, you didn’t.
You groaned, something felt like you were about to start your period thanks to how ‘needy’ you were feeling. Or so you wanted to believe.
Suddenly you felt your phone vibrate on your back pocket, you reached for it and looked at the screen.
Unknown. Hesitating for a couple of seconds, you then tap the answer icon, bringing your phone to your ear.
‘Hello?’ You say.
‘Oh, so it is you.’ You feel your blood run cold, stopping in your tracks. ‘I thought you had given me the wrong number, well you sort of did, one of the numbers was wrong.’
Jake’s voice was deep, raspier than you remember. Your heart started beating like crazy, your grip on the phone tightened.
‘I did?’ You say softly, blinking as you try continuing your walk.
‘Sure did. Your fours looked like nines.’ He says a little annoyed, and you can’t help the laugh that escapes you.
‘Sorry about that, I was in a hurry when I did that, remember?’ You dig, getting a scoff from Jake in return.
‘How could I forget, I was called a dick for it.’ Maybe it was the wine in your system, the late night air, or hearing Jake’s voice so close to your ear that got you feeling ballsy.
‘Aww, never been told that before? Was I your first?’ To your tease, Jake laughs, just a deep-dark laugh, your bones shake as you try walking some more.
‘Been called worst sweetheart, and I sure as hell can take your worst.’
‘Don’t make promises you can’t keep. If I remember correctly, I gave you my number once you knew how to act like a grown up.’ You could see the store now, but you stopped dead in your tracks.
There you saw the back of a white limousine with ‘SPKTR’ as the plate, one you knew too well by now. On the right side of this one, you saw a man with an Flat hat, and soft dark curls. Jake was standing with his right side facing you, smoking outside the store.
‘Only children apologize through the phone. I wanna see you.’ You could hear his voice faintly.
He hadn’t seen you, all you had to do was to just turn around and walk away. But you stalled for too long, keeping yourself so quiet it seemed to worry Jake. He drops his cigarette, and looks at his phone, making sure the call was still going. But you tap the screen and end the call, this seems to confuse Jake, he furrowed his brows.
“I guess there is not a better time than the present.” Your voice surprises Jake, his eyes wide in alert, quickly relaxing once he sees you next to him.
“Gotta put a bell on ya’.” He says as he looks at you, really taking you in. His eyes going further down, he raises an eyebrow, not too happy to see your outfit. “You trying to catch a cold or something? What are you doing out this late?”
You roll your eyes. “What are you? My father? I came to buy some wine.”
Jake scoffs, clicking his tongue.
“Long day, huh? Hop in, I’ll get the bottle for ya.” He reaches the car door, opening this one. He gestures for you to get in.
“I can get it myself, Jake.” You tried telling him but he was already walking into the shop.
“Red or White?” He stopped to look at you and ask, you sighed.
“Both.”
After a couple of minutes of waiting inside the car, the door finally opened. Jake got in and placed the wine bottles between you and him, shutting the door. You had already started the car, allowing for this one to heat on.
“Thanks, how much was it?”
“None of that, take them as part of my apology.” You look away and out the window. Jake put on his seatbelt, then he cleared his throat. “Gonna say what got you so stressed out?”
“Old ladies who wanted things their way. Too many demands that were impossible to meet.” At the memory you sighed, closing your eyes.
“Want to head home?” His voice was hard to decipher, you turn to look at him.
Strong nose, clean shave, thick full lips. His eyes were looking straight ahead, the cap casting shadows on them.
“Are you free right now?” Your question makes him look at you, brown eyes even darker.
“Got an opening just for you.” He grins, you roll your eyes. “Where do you want to go? Your wish is my command, sugar.”
You looked away from him, staring at the windshield. The rain hadn’t stopped, nor did it seem it would any time soon.
“Can you drive us around?” Your voice came out softly.
“Sure can.” Jake shifts the gear and the car starts moving.
The two of you drive in silence for almost 15 minutes, you steal a couple of glances every so often. His features looked rougher than those of Steven, your eyes then fell on his hands; concealed under his leather gloves.
You imagined how the material would feel on your skin. The texture would probably be soft from all the use.
It was then you reached for one of the bottles, grabbing it blindly from the paper bag. Suddenly Jake reached into his jacket, pulling out something and handing it to you. You grabbed it confused, it was a swiss army knife.
“Don’t think you can open that with your mouth.” He says plainly and you laugh.
“You would be surprised.” You tease and quickly find the wine opener amongst the many gadgets. “Where exactly are we driving? Or is it just a mindless route?”
Jake clears his throat, adjusting himself on his seat. “Have anywhere in specific?”
“No, just wondering.” Pop. The cork popped, you quickly took a swing from the bottle.
The bittersweetness of the wine immediately hits your system, a sigh of relief leaves you.
“It’s not just those old ladies that have you like this, is it?” Jake asks, you let the bottle rest by your thigh.
“Good observation, Lockley. But you don’t want to hear about it.” You take another sip.
“Sugar, I could have you talk my ear off all night.” The pet name didn’t go unnoticed.
Once more, you let the bottle rest on your thigh, but this time, you turn to face him. Eying his side profile as he drove, there was a glint in his eyes that told you he was enjoying this, more like he was enjoying messing with you. He was getting too comfortable, acting like things were good once again.
“I’ve been debating whether or not I should sleep with Steven again.” The car almost makes a full stop. He tenses at your words. “What? Thought I could talk your ear off.”
Jake pulls over, you feel your blood pumping fast as the car comes to a full stop. There he sits in silence, hands gripping tightly at the steering wheel, he finally sighs.
“What do you want me to do?” The question confuses you. His voice came out deep, raspier. “Want me to get on my knees to beg for your forgiveness? Say the word and I will. I know what you think. That Steven is all sweet and nice, a perfect little boy. You wanna bring him home to mama? Go ahead. But we both know he can’t give you what I can.”
His sudden outburst surprises you, not once did he look you in the eye. Your eyes widen, breath catching on your throat.
“And what exactly is it that you can give me?” You tried to look unaffected, but the liquor was already making your body buzz, warming your skin.
Jake turns to look at you, eyes blow out as his lids are heavy.
“Hop in the back and I’ll show ya’.” His words are laced with lust, you feel your body respond to the insinuation, your falls pulsing with an unspoken promise.
You stare at him, his eyes shifting from yours to your lips, creating a path. “What if I don’t?”
“Tell me to fuck off and I’ll take you home sweetheart.” Unconsciously, you lick your lips, attracting all of his attention to them.
“Is this the other part of your apology?” You tease, causing him to chuckle.
“If you want it to be, it will make a hell of an apology that’s for sure.” He responded.
You take a deep breath. It wasn’t like you and Steven were together, there was never a talk about being exclusive, if anything you and Steven were becoming friends who started under different circumstances. You simply wanted to lay off some steam, all you had been thinking for the past week had been Jake and Steven.
“Better make it worth it then, Lockley.” At that Jake wolfishly grins, turning the engine off.
“Mejor de lo que esperas, ya verás.” He opens his door; you quickly place the wine bottle on a cup holder before opening your door as well. (Better than what you expect, you'll see.)
You quickly get out, soft rain falls on you as you walk towards the back of the limo, it was already getting late, the street was dead at this point. You open the door and step in, sitting down on the comfy seat. Jake closed the door behind him, quickly turning around, his right hand coming towards you as his lips clashed against yours. Immediately the kiss was returned with the same passion, your hands coming to pull the hat off and dropping it on the floor of the limo. Your hands found his hair, gripping it between your fingers as you let out a moan.
Jake pulls away, looking at you. “I’m gonna eat you up, sugar.” His voice came out hoarse. He starts kissing you again, but begins to kiss your jaw, slowly kissing your neck biting at the flesh.
“Got tired of sweetheart? Or simply wanted to try something new?” You say breathlessly. You feel him smile against your neck.
“Can’t a man say things as he sees them? You are addictive, I already can’t get enough of you.” Jake pulls down the zipper of your jacket, tearing it off you.
One of his hands takes claim at the back of your neck, the other on your waist. Quickly, Jake pulls you towards his lap making you straddle him. He bites at your collarbone, the hand on your waist squeezes the flesh there, before sneaking below the hem of your shirt. The leather was cold against your skin, but soft.
You pull on his hair, a breathy whine leaves your lips when he bites you one more time. His other hand squeezes your ass before he smacks it, making you jump.
“What sweetheart? You want gentle? Wrong fucking address baby.”
With his two hands, he grips your hips, pushing you down. It’s then you feel him, hard as he makes you grind against him. He pulls away, resting against the seat as he looks between the two of you. You moan at the friction, breath hitching.
“Jake.” His name leaves your lips, he grins proudly at you.
“Come on, move those hips a little. Show me just how much you need me.” He shifts his hips up, making you hold back a moan. “If you do a good job, I’ll eat you out, just like you deserved.”
You start grinding against him, moving your hips in slow motions as Jake continues to guide your hips. His jaw tenses, with heavy lids he watches you move, a wicked smile on his lips as he does.
He rubs circles on your hip bone with his thumbs, applying small pressure that is almost uncomfortable. Your hands find his jacket, gripping it tightly as you start feeling your body growing hot, heart quickening as your wall flutters against nothing. Your head falls back, trying to grind faster against Jake groin, you are so close you can almost feel heaven, but he stops you from doing so.
“Someone’s needy.” He says, his voice so deep you shake. Jake stops your movements all together.
“Jake please!” You whine. “Please, I’m so close.” You grab his face, leaning in and kissing his lips. “Please.”
“Fuck, never knew I would like to hear you beg this badly.” Suddenly, Jake hugs you, bringing the two of you to the floor of the limo, laying you down slowly.
He pulls away and sits on his heels. Jake tears his jacket off, revealing a white button up shirt underneath. He then grabs his black tie, losing it before pulling it off with both hands with little care. He unbuttons the sleeves of the shirt, rolling the sleeves up to his elbows taking his time as he looks at you, eyes traveling down your figure.
“You’re such a fucking tease.” You spat, eyes his body just the same.
Jake tilts his head to the side with a shrug.
“Just trying to enjoy the view, is not everyday I get to see you like this, do I?”
You roll your eyes, laughing.
“Never knew this was the only way to make you talk this much.” You tease, but are quickly silenced when Jake’s gloved hands make their way to the elastic of your shorts.
You lift your hips, letting him pull them off you leaving you in only your panties. When they were off, he whistled, running his gloved hands up your things, squeezing the flesh as he went. His eyes were heavy, a glint of something on them as he admired your thighs. You watched him lick his lips, the wetness it left on them making you squeeze your legs.
Jake then seems to look beyond you, gaze lost for a second. He seems to space out, the subtle change making you reach for his hand, squeezing it gently.
“You alright?” You ask but the question didn’t seem to reach him. You tried sitting down, your hands going up to his forearms and massaging the skin.
He closed his eyes and took a deep breath, Jake opened his eyes. His eyes made your body tense, he frowned deeply and his jaw tightened before he crashed your lips hard, the motion making you yelp. He pushed you back on the floor of the limo, the kiss becoming more heated, his grip on you possessive.
“Time’s runnin’ out.” He groans, his hands take your knees, spreading them apart to position himself between you. He starts to lower himself, getting closer to your pelvis.
Jake pushes your panties to the side, immediately going in and licking your clit. You moan, one of your hands flying to his head, grabbing a hand full of his curls. Your skin feels hot, a thin layer of sweat forms as your head falls back, the windshields are foggy as the two of you are surrounded by your breaths, your eyes rolled back as your mouth hangs open. You let out a breathy gasp, your stomach tightening as you feel your heart beat faster.
It’s exhilarating, the warmth of his breath against you as his mouth is enclosed around your clit, tongue licking quick little circles. His grip on your thighs is strong, bruising them as your back arches, air leaving your lungs as you start to feel the rise of your orgasm start again.
You looked back down with heavy eyes as you locked them with him. A dark gaze looks at you from between your legs, his curls soft when your hand runs through them, moving his hair away from his forehead. The action makes him bite your inner thigh, a yelp falls from your lips, he smirks as he kisses the teeth marks.
“You taste like heaven, my pretty little angel.” He places one more kiss. “So fucking wet, all of this for me.”
He pulls away and sits on his heels, hands going to his belt to undo it. He gets his jeans unbutton, pulling his zipper down. Jake hovers over you, leaning on one forearm as you hear him pulling himself from his briefs.
“Open your legs wider, sugar.” You do as he says, feeling the head of his cock brush against your clit, making your body jolt.
His hand grips your thigh, bringing it to wrap against his back. Jake kisses your lips as he pushes himself in you, the stretch making you grip his shoulders tightly. You gasp against his lips.
“Jake, fuck.” You shut your eyes as your head falls back, Jake’s nose brushes your ear.
“I’m gonna need you to work with me. I’m on the clock, next time I’ll take my sweet time with you.” The promise of a next time makes your walls flutter, making Jake let out a breathy laugh. “Yeah, you like the sound of that? I’ll fuck you nice and good, make you forget all about Steven with my cock sweetheart.”
“Don’t talk about him.” You moan as you feel his cock pulsate inside you. His pace is starting to speed up.
“Why not? Afraid I’m right?” He thrust hard at that, the hand on your thigh squeezing hard. “Sweetheart, fuck him as much as you want. We both know you’ll come begging for me when I’m done with you.” His thrusts are faster, deeper and harsher. You can feel the limo start to shake at the same rhythm. He starts hitting the spot that makes your body tingle, your eyes roll as you feel your orgasm start to build up.
Your hand flies to his hair, fisting the strands between your fingers as your breath hitches, mouth open wide as you pull Jake’s hair. He thrust faster, the limo shaking as he did, the motion making him go deeper as you feel your walls tighten around him. The sound of skin hitting skin, jagged breaths, moans and whines filled the vehicle. You arched your back, eyes shut tight as you pull even harder on Jake’s hair.
“I’m coming.” Your voice comes out hoarse, throat dry from all the breathing. “Jake.”
“Hazlo.” He says against your ear. “You deserve it, you take me so fucking well. Me vuelves loco, muñeca.” (Do it. You drive me crazy, doll.)
You feel your lower stomach tighten before you feel your high hit you. Your body tensed, shaking from the stimulation as you came around Jake’s cock, screaming his name breathlessly. While you felt it pulsating, Jake’s pace became messy trying to work with your fucked out state.
“Perfecto, justo así.” Jake’s face comes into view, one of his gloved hands comes to your jaw, making you look straight into his eyes, his mouth is now a thin line as he frowns in pure pleasure, a moan comes from the back of his throat. “Mira qué maravilla, tan perfecta. Estas hecha para mí.” (Perfect, just like that. Look how wonderful, so perfect. You are made for me.)
Then he pulls out quickly making you moan at the sudden emptiness. You remove your grip from Jake, allowing him to sit on his heels once more. It’s then you see him pump his cock at a fast pace, eyes not leaving yours as he comes, his spend landing on your belly.
His frame shakes slightly, body slouching forward as he takes deep breaths, both of his palms on either side of your waist. His curls flow down, you bring your hand towards them, pushing them aside, you can feel the sweat at the root of his scalp. When you do that, he looks up at you, his features slightly softer and you feel your chest tighten.
He looked just like Steven for a brief second, for a second you thought your mind was trying to play a mean little joke with you. You tried seating down as Jake pulled away from your touch, putting his cock back inside his briefs and started to zip down his jeans.
“How was that for an apology?” He teases, buckling his belt.
“Not bad, but you do need to stop bringing Steven into things.” You reach for your shorts and put them on.
“You started it, I just went along.” Jake fixes his curls, pushing his hair back before putting his cap on. You look at him, ready to defend yourself, but you stare instead.
With only his white dress shirt sleeves rolled up, his black gloves, cap and black tie undone makes you want to burn the image into your brain. Store it for another of your restless nights.
“Take a picture, it’ll last longer.” He chuckles, grabbing his jacket from the floor and opening the door. “Vamos, que te tengo que llevar a casa, muñeca.” (Come on, got to take you home, doll.)
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Why Helluva Boss Fails Where Villainous Succeeds At Making A Morally Grey World Questions The Moral Spectrum
I think what makes Helluva Boss fail at it's depiction of a morally grey world where things aren't as traditionally defined by good and evil is that the biggest thing it's supposed to be in hell. While Vivziepop claims she wants to reclaim hell, she also wants to make it a place of torment where the worst goes. The series implies that it's heaven having strict standards but on the other end we do see the types of sinners that populate it. Also another thing that makes it fail is that instead of showing moral grayness they just make apologies for character flaws that protagonists like Stolas and Blitzo have. While we are supposed to see them as complex, the same can't be said for antagonists who are clearly made to be one dimensional like Stella and Striker. The former is made into a stereotypical bitchy, abusive wife who is getting in between Stolas' happiness, while Striker is derailed into being labeled a supremacist when he really has a point about how corrupt the system in hell is.
There is also the fact that certain moral greyness doesn't make sense when you think about the fact that the Sins like Beelzebub and Asmodeus which call for moderation and consent which makes them seem counter to their sins. While it's supposed to supposedly give them moral greyness, it just completely misses the point of sins which is unlimited hedonism not matter what the cost. Also it doesn't help you can blatantly see which ones are Viv's favorites and as a result they get the sympathetic treatment that colors their portrayal. And from the leaks we see Lucifer is also getting neutered so that heaven looks worse than him including Adam who is supposed to be the first man but is depicted as sexist and enjoying slaughtering sinners. Again in that instant all that moral greyness is just bs and we know what side is really getting that fake greyness which is hell because she has a misguided idea that they can reclaim it for themselves. By making things too nice, it's obvious she really isn't making it hell but just some fantasy land with inconsistencies which sucks.
This is where I think Villainous succeeds because it plays around with the superhero genre which is ripe for looking at what is considered wrong or right. The premise is that superheroes are hunted by an organization that helps villains defeat heroes. The premise instead of trying to apologize that they are not so bad reminds us they are villains and can be ruthless. If you see all the stuff in the orientations, commercials, and other materials you can see the characters except 505 have even killed people. However, even with the characters not being good you can't help but love them because of the fact they are people with feeling while still being evil. You do feel a certain closeness with each other that prevents them from being totally unlikable.
Also the setting just being in the mortal world with villains and heroes doesn't have to adhere to the standard of hell which is how far can you go to make it still be hell. Nope, it's in a superhero world where supers are focused more on fame, fortune, and clout rather than helping people. They are even shown sometimes not to be so different than the villains with many of them having complex and sympathetic backgrounds. The true pure evil being is Black Hat who unlike how the great demon lords in Helluva Boss is blatantly shown as unrepentant and has no qualms about being depraved. He truly lives up to his image of being the embodiment of evil unlike Beezlebub and Asmodeus. While you can make Demencia and Flug sympathetic, you can't with Black Hat since that would go against his image of being the master of supreme evil.
Overall, I do think Vivziepop could take some notes how to really make a grey moral setting actually be grey. It can help her with her work.
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What you prefer bonnie going dark with kai or kai being redeemed for bonnie?
I think, and forgive me, I feel like I’m always picking answers that are kind of in-between (I’m a “little” bit of an indecisive person lmao) but I like when they’re sort of a mix of both.
What I mean by that is like for Bonnie’s character, -I think she’s not as “good” as the show tries to convince us, and don’t get me wrong I think this is a positive because it makes for a more interesting/ complex character, -well it would have if the writers actually acknowledged it and did something with it, instead they kept her boxed away as some sort of “saint-like” figure (with none of the respect) but I think they did that in order to keep her away from any of the fun action in the show that the other leading ladies were allowed to be apart of, -like getting romantically/ sexually involved with villains, being careless/ misusing her powers for selfish reasons (like how the vamps in the show got to be reckless/ indulgent with their powers) without consequences, going to parties/ balls whatever and just being there to look pretty in a dress and have fun etc. and I think the writers liked to describe her like she’s “too good” as an excuse to leave her out of storylines that would allow more development for her character and to neglect writing for her character unless they needed to use her as a plot device.
But even though Bonnie is selfless etc, she’s still done plenty of morally questionable things in order to protect her friends (who are mostly killers) so the “too good” thing the writer’s tried to pin on her is pretty stupid and an obvious ploy to keep her away from being a part of more interesting storylines.
So because of that I think although Bonnie is kind of a mostly ‘good’ character, she’s also at least a little bit morally grey? As well as a little dark at times (considering her expression arc, -we know she’ll go to great extremes to do what she believes needs to be done).
Though with Kai I do think he brings out more of that darkness in her and that’s really fun (this concept has been explored in a lot of fantastic BK fanfics and I LOVE IT).
And with Kai, I think that he doesn’t need to be redeemed and actually I think this applies to other characters as well, -like should they even be redeemed ? Do we need to ? I think it’s perfectly fine for darker/ morally grey characters to exist without any sort of redemption arc. I’ve enjoyed redemption arcs before so I’m not against them or anything but I think on TVD it’s been done a lot (though I wouldn’t say they’ve done it well,- also TVD focussed on the ‘her lOvE redeemed him’ trope which I’m not really a fan of, I think it can be one of the reasons a character is redeemed but not the sole reason).
I liked that Post-merge Kai still seemed to have kept his pre-merge traits. I would have hated if they turned him into some sort of strangely good version of Luke, -even though some people insist that’s what he was post-merge and that’s why he was apologising to Bonnie, although that doesn’t make sense since the merge is not supposed to erase him- Kai’s meant to just be himself but with emotions now and Luke really did not have any serious connections to Bonnie to make him care that much about her.
One of the things I like about BK is the intense way they affected each other even when they didn’t want to be affected, even when they tried to act indifferent to the other it was obvious how they were still influenced by each other.
The type of redemption arcs that TVD focussed on had one person changing because of / for the other person. I think with BK they would change each other, both for the better and worse tbh, and that would be so delicious to watch -some of Bonnie’s good bleeding into Kai’s bad and vice versa.
And it would be an unwilling change for the both of them that they would probably try to fight tooth and nail, but regardless of what they want, their mutual obsession would inevitably lead them there.
So all that to say... I'd prefer them to mutually destroy each others perceptions of their own self-concepts and egos 💖
And I mean if that isn't ✨️True Romance✨️ then what is 💕
Thanks so much for the ask ! this was interesting to think about, I tried to answer this earlier but I couldn’t decide which I preferred and ended up kinda in the middle after all anyways… 😭
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I'm so curious as to what your thoughts are on acomaf/Rhys. Personally, the reason the second book infuriated me was bc SJM completely shifted Tamlin's good traits onto Rhys, while erasing the fucked up things the latter did (like breaking Feyre's arm 😅), and thus clumsily erasing chances for interesting complex grey-morality characterizations for both characters. Also Feyre forgot about Tamlin so fast it almost made the first book seem useless lol. idk, I just liked Tamlin and feel he was done dirty with the weird lib-feminist makeover acomaf got. I did continue reading the series though. I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable speaking about this, so feel free to ignore this ask. Have a lovely day 💖
Phew! So my issues with the series are NUMEROUS and some day I will go into all the reasons I quit ACOMAF 3/4 of the way through, but for now, let me sum up my problem by comparing it to another modern phenomenon: Frozen.
Like ACOTAR, I have many specific dislikes about the Frozen series, but my main problem with it is the way it cynically uses fairy tale motifs against the audience, but then still wants to claim it is a fairy tale. Frozen's setup gives the audience absolutely zero reason to doubt or distrust Hans (other than the arrival of Kristoff). In fact, Hans and Anna have one of the best insta-love songs from the Disney collection, and it galls me TO NO END that it's a trick, a lie. And then the rest of the movie repeatedly mocks the audience for believing in fairy tale love ("You can't marry a man you just met!"), as if to say everyone who has enjoyed Disney fairy tales up to this point is a sucker. Yet then it expects us to invest in the Anna-Kristoff romance after punishing us for the Anna-Hans one. And meanwhile, Kristoff is about as interesting as stale bread (sorry not sorry, it's true. I love you Jonathan Groff, it's not your fault sweetie.).
So anyway, back to ACOTAR. Book 1 is a straightforward Search For The Lost Husband. Taken on its own, it honestly rules as an example of this Cupid & Psyche tale type. It has the hunter-huntress motif, the jealous sisters, passage into the otherworld, hidden/cursed prince, supernatural helpers, three trials in the underworld, and even resurrection from death. It's literally perfect, other than Rhys marking her and just generally being creepy.
And then the next book PUNISHES the reader for enjoying that. HAHA you fool, you sucker, you got taken in by an abuser! Actually that whole book was a f*cking waste of time and a lie, and what Feyre really needs is this dude who's secretly perfect and who has all the aesthetics of a tormented prince but none of the actual psychological damage (like, say, Tamlin had). And who pursued Feyre not because of any natural affinity but because he knew she was his predetermined MATE (ew ew ew and I repeat EW). And who dictates every f*cking plot point and then magnanimously gives Feyre the OPTION of participating and we're all supposed to cheer because he says "It's your choice" before repeatedly using her and endangering her.
And to the extent that this is another Search For The Lost Husband, why would I want the same story told again, especially when the narrative wasted my time and mocked me for investing in the last romance? I just... really resent the author using those motifs without signaling sooner that she's going to deliberately undermine them (which can be done, in fairness, but it takes more skill than SJM has displayed).
So yeah, that's my issue. It really seems to come from this faux feminism that has a lot of antipathy toward traditional fairy tales, but doesn't know how to critique them without mocking the protagonist and audience alike.
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fuck it, i'm feeling generous today so i'm going to listen out some of the few things i do like about spop.
the theme song. i usually skip the intro when i watch a show but holy shit, this one SLAPS i could never skip it.
entrapdak. the only relationship in the show that was actually healthy, well-written and had good chemistry. if only we got more of it.
s3 and s4. while there were still a few unsavory moments in those seasons, i did enjoy them for most part. mostly because we see adora actually giving up on catra and focusing on herself and her friends for once. and we see catra spiral into a mental breakdown, which is always fun to watch.
catra as a villain. yeah, catra was a pretty effective villain. she had an interesting conflict with adora, she was a foil to glimmer and she was slowly turning into the same person she feared and despised. she was everything that horde prime was not a.k.a an intimidating villain who actually served a purpose to the plot. the only complaint i have is that she was overpowered, but i've talked about that enough already.
double trouble. i know there's some problematic implications with their character design but i can't deny this, i really do like double trouble as a character. they're fun, they're morally grey, and they're just there to stir shit up.
animation and character designs. despite the lackluster worldbuilding, i do think the scenery of etheria was beautifully drawn and i really like some of the character designs as well. a lot of the side and background characters were beautiful.
shadow weaver. i know everyone loves to talk about how shitty she is but i really enjoyed her as a character and i loved how morally complex she was. heck, she might have been the most morally grey character in the entire series.
the voice acting. gotta say it, the VAs did a fantastic job of voicing all the characters, especially catra's VA. while i dislike catra herself, i do think that her emotional outbursts were really well done.
i meant to have at least ten things on this list but i can't think of any more. but hey, eight isn't too bad for a show like this.
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PROPAGANDA
Vriska Serket
vriska
"Vriscourse"
this is her tournament
She fits all four categories. Also it's Vriska
people have been arguing about whether shes pure evil or an innocent baby for like 14 years straight. nobody can fathom that shes NEITHER. like yes she is a product of her environment and the reason she killed all those people was because her spider mother was forcing her to and also due to her position in society she was encouraged to act that way and was literally a 13 yr old child just doing what was expected of her by the world around her so it isnt her fault for being in the role she was raised to be in when she didnt know there was any other option. that being said shes also just kind of a dick and put stairs in a paralysed guys house even though she knew that was a cruel thing to do cus she thought it was funny. like shes a child thats a product of her environment and she did a lot of awful things but a lot of it can be explained by the fact that she had a neglectful literal giant spider as a mother and that she was also being manipulated by an omniscient cue ball god to hurt her friends. but that doesnt EXCUSE how she acted and many of the things she did were just cruel and unnecessary like how she treated tavros. so in conclusion she is NOT an evil irredeemable bitch because she’s literally a preteen when she does all of the bad stuff + when she was messaging john she finally was away from alternian society and could finally reflect on how killing made her feel and how she realised she didnt enjoy doing it even though it was what was expected of her. HOWEVER she also isnt a sweet angel because it doesnt EXCUSE her actions it just explains them, she still did cruel shit and hurt people and acted selfishly etc… putting vriska in a box is a huge disservice to her as a character because shes like one of the most important characters in the story because of the way she’s constantly trying to steal the spotlight and insert herself into the story etc but instead of people doing any kind of interesting analysis on one of the most complex characters in the story they instead argue for a decade and a half about whether or not she did anything wrong… which goes against the whole point of her role in the story
c'mon. it's vriska.
Gon Freecss
It's ALWAYS the beef between people saying he's actually a monster and the ones saying "he's just a kid and he never did anything wrong in his entire life". The first ones won't accept the fact that Gon is kind with his loved ones. That he's hurt and did bad things when he was hurt. That he cares for his friends. That he is naive and really acts as a child. That the monster he is inside isn't ALL that he is – only a part of what he is. That a big part of how he acts was caused by the fact all of the adults in his life never saw the red flags and pushed him to keep acting like that because "haha quirky kid". The second ones won't accept the fact that Gon is selfish – it's literally said multiple times in the canon that he is but you know, selfish is an "actually bad flaw that only bad people have so he can't be". They won't accept the fact that his naivety is the thing that makes him morally grey because he can't tell the difference between good or bad. That he doesn't really care for anyone except him and his friends / family. That he was literally called a monster, canonically. That he would destroy the world and then himself with no hesitation because he's hurt. That him being young is, yes, a point, but that doesn't mean he's "just a little angel uwu". That's simply NOT how his character is written. The worst problem I think, is that none of these people seems to acknowledge the fact Gon is supposed to represent the yin part of yin and yang (while his best friend, Killua, represents the yang). Gon is supposed to be "in light there is darkness". How the light can actually be monstruous, maybe more than darkness, but it is still light. While Killua is supposed to be "in darkness there is light" and how darkness can be pure, maybe more than light, but it's still darkness – they seem to get the yang part more for some reasons ? The yin and yang analogy is my favorite trope ever and it's so sad to see this fandom watering it down because they won't accept the fact Gon is morally grey.
#misrepresented morally grey#round 2#bracket c#both bracket#homestuck#vriska serket#hunter x hunter#gon freecss
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REPLIES TO SAFFY LAMBASTING LIAM
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Wow! There's Saffy's backbone.
Yeah she's not known for holding back!
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She's with a boy her own age that she actually likes. Be gone worm!
@ivorycrayon
Man, you write shades of grey so well. It’s hard to root for anybody, but it’s also hard to condemn anybody completely because all your characters’ actions are way too complex. “He’s wrong but..” “She shouldn’t have to deal with this but..” I could use your characters if I ever taught ethics class 😂 (except for Anita, that is, I always struggle to find any redeeming qualities in that lady :P)
Thank you so much Ash! I love writing morally grey characters who have questionable (but hopefully relatable) motives so it's extremely heartening to read your comment. And I love how steadfast you've always been in your opinion of Anita, lol!
@keoni-chan
I don't like this one bit. I hope Liam's brand new backbone doesn't evolve into an "if I can't have you..."-situation 😱
who knows what might have happened if fate hadn't intervened....
@dresdendarlin
Oooh it’s his snapping moment. He’s gonna do something drastic and crazier next.
@batsheba
Ok, now let's see if he, the creep Liam, can process this information?! Whatever happens I hope Saffy will be ok... I'm worried Liam will do something utterly stupid and potentially dangerous.
@oasislandingresident
Ooooh shit's about to go down!!! 🍿
@kimmiessimmies
I'm with @batsheba, this is not going to go down well with Liam...
@wannabecatwriter
Be careful, Saffron. He's in a weird mindstate now.
@bool-prop
Oh no. He's going to snap.
@muses-circle
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@muses-circle
Liam will either have a meltdown right there, in the parking lot, or he'll wait until he's in the middle of class and doing something worse. I'm worried about what his breaking point will look like.
@muses-circle
And Saffron, men DO leave their wives. It's call divorce, honey. Life isn't as black and white as you think.
I didn't write Saffy's speech very well...what she was trying to say was that it's a well-known fact that married men never leave their wives for their side-pieces! She was actually quite enraged that Liam turned out to be the statistical anomaly, lol. That was the last thing she wanted to happen!
@echoweaver
Woo. Saffron's right, but wow she's still got so much growing up to do. OTOH, Liam seemed to be with her in large part because she verbally abused him. It's such a messed up puppy.
Yeah, he seems to derive a perverse satisfaction from being the victim and indulging in self-defeating behaviour. It's also not an accident that the two women in his life routinely humiliate and criticise him.😬
@sweetnovember77
Saffy's words can devastate ANYONE with strong emotions toward another person. It's like a knife to the heart.
Yeah, Saffy can be very acid-tongued. He probably deserved the wake up call but Saffy can count herself very lucky he didn't snap or do something as drastic as Stephanie.
@anamoon63
😮 This is not going to end well. I wish Saffy had been a little more diplomatic. 😔
It definitely did not end well, but fortunately for Saffy she was not the one who was impacted the most! I hope at the very least she learns some important life lessons from this whole sorry experience.
@simsaralove
I really hope this will make Mr. Yucky realize he better go live in the Twinbrook swamps and not make him do something stupid and ruin Saffy’s happiness 😭
@justanothersimsblog
I'd tell her to slap him but I think he likes that so... maybe knee him in the balls then lol
lol he is such a pathetic masochist that he would probably enjoy that too!😆
@greywardenconsort
He's a monster thru & thru
A sad, spineless, loser monster.
@streetlites
That's gotta sting. Bwahahah. Also, what did he think she was going to do? Leap into his arms? She was never like that toward him to begin with.
@mysimsloveaffair
They are both better off without each other. Saffy is doing him a favor and he doesn't even know it. SMH
Liam was always doomed by his poor life decisions and victim mentality. I'm also thinking that it was possible he had affairs as a passive-aggressive form of revenge, but didn't count on falling so heavily for Saffy. In any case, I think he got what he deserved.
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Poll: What is Thrawn?
So, this poll is inspired by my mom. She recently finished all six canon Thrawn books, but her first experience with him was the original Thrawn trilogy when it first came out. So she's been a (casual) fan of him for a while. She loved seeing him in Rebels, and so before Ahsoka comes I convinced her to read the new books. (She says she has a hard time with the tie in books because they never match her headcanons and how she interprets their personalities; indeed, Alliances, being the book with the most mainline Star Wars character in it, was her least favorite.)
We were talking last night, and she mentioned that she's glad I pushed her to read the books, she really enjoyed them, and she really loves a complex and morally grey villain.
"I don't know, I don't think of Thrawn as a villain," I say, "to me, he's too complex to be labeled hero or villain."
"He's absolutely a villain," she replies. She states that Thrawn is complicit in what the Empire does, and no matter how noble and good his goals are, no matter how heroic his actions are in the Ascendancy trilogy, he's still a villain because of that.
So, that made me start to think. I know a lot of Thrawn fans in the circles I run in think of him as at *least* an anti-hero. I've been on Chisstwt for a year or two now, but I'm fairly new in the Tumblr Thrawn fandom (Thrawnblr? Chissblr?), so I wanted to get some actual numbers. I'll still be asking on Twitter, too!
And please, feel free to elaborate on your answer!
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a very bisexual confession here but I think Ava is actually super hot. she's layered! complex! has interesting if still unclear motivations! (it would be too obvious for her to actually pose a threat in the way the protagonist's jealous instincts want her to, and I'm glad you're not just making her te other woman, sincerely). Anyway, she's fun, she's playing games, she's shady as fuck, and I'd say I'm sorry the other readers don't appreciate a shady and morally ambiguous woman like I do, but that means more for me <3
Love this ask! And I have a feeling you are going to enjoy today's chapter 🙊🩷
I want to flesh out Ava in a believable way. She's essentially an OC at this point, so I feel really attached to her 😅 someome did bring up that BG3 does a great job showcasing morally grey characters, and I wanted to attempt doing that! Crossing my fingers it pays off hahaha
And feel free to indulge in Ava 🙊 🩷
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Irt you post about the archives- Have you read any of the novels? I feel like some of them, like Joey's autobiography, help give a bit more insight to these characters, at least a little.
As for Nathan, I think it's supposed to represent that, unlike Joey, he really was a self made man with good intentions, and that highlights that Wilson was trying to live up to the shadow of his father and instead of being the kind of man his father would have raised, Wilson chose to be as vile as he is.
Memory Joey on the other hand, really is just a representation of this flawed idea people had of the man, only the good parts of Joey that he chose to show. The idealized version of himself that he saw, rather than who he really is. It makes sense to have that contrast there, but he really is just a plot device rather than his own character and it's a shame.
I can't say much for the others, because they feel very lacking. They have a lot of good moments, like the "I'm beautiful." "Always were." scene for example, but outside these moments they feel somewhat empty.
It's unfortunate, because if they had the time, team, and resources, they could have had an incredible story to tell, but limitations with money and staff because of the irl studios layoffs and TheMeatly & Mike Mood making really, really bad choices with their business caused the game to fall short of what it could have been.
we must have read different books because it felt to me like batdr completely ignores book lore
honestly i just feel like the books have been made irrelevant and theyre just kind of telling us stories about these random characters? like adrienne is doing her best to describe these characters but im not gonna lie, as there was some potential to them batdr has been a huge turn off for me for reading anymore (plus that upcoming book is gonna have a yet another completely new character as the main protagonist and im just... bruh how about yall expand upon the characters you already have because this universe is just becoming very messy and full of shallow characters instead of having fewer but interesting ones?? im not against new characters being introduced but they just keep on adding then and then it feels like what we're reading doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things, that sucks)
sure we get an insight to joey... the only character that actually HAS a lot of complexity and screentime in the games so like yea i like joey and i enjoyed his book but again it felt more like an extra rather than anything that helped expanding the story or the world, i dont really understand their strategy for these...
nathan's and wilson's relation is just uninteresting and shallows wilson's character in my opinion, like what he says to you in game makes out nathan to have been some sort of a horrible father and that'd be kinda interesting and would make wilson a morally grey character
but no he's just a spoiled brat or whatever his archetype is supposed to be and we can throw away the entire symbolism about nathan and bockswell lotsabucks (that cartoon cat from the comics) and the fact that there is supposed to be nathan arch junior and senior making it clear that they changed their minds about the plot just to surprise people (even worse, they ADMIT to doing that in the interview that recently came out... as if it was a good thing ToT) but by doing so they just contradicted clues that existed there before that we could have gotten away from the damn books! like this just makes me not wanna buy any other books anymore because its a clear message that it doesnt fucking matter if we read them, theyre just there to tell us stories about random characters that also wont even appear in the games anyways but we will get 200 more audiologs from other randos we wont care for
again i gotta be sorry for being so negative but im just SO disappointed with batdr and with what the archives had to say
like whatever they are telling their story, its not a sin to be bad and scummy at writing (scummy as in not understanding that youre baiting people into buying extra things for understanding the lore and then making sure you surprise people anyway)
so basically
there is no use for theorising because the message is that they just want to surprise us so if we guess where theyre going they will just change the story no matter how much its gonna suck and contradict what happened before
i cannot comprehend how meatly sees that as a good thing but i guess thats how he wants to tell his stories and whatever makes them happy man
but i find it incredibly shady when you advertise your game as a mystery to be solved and personally this kills my enjoyment of the franchise
#im not saying im gonna leave the fandom but you wont see me theorizing anymore#its headcanons now only baby#and im probably not gonna get any new books#as much as i have a lot of respect for adrienne kress and enjoy her writing#i still didnt even touch the lost ones book tho i have bought it when it came out#and at this point idk if i will#im currently undergoing an awful state when im still kinda fixating on bendy but i dont have anything to power my fixation#in an enjoyable way#and it sucks!!!#ive been trying to get into other things and ive been enjoying different stories but it isnt the same man#bendy hit those very specific things i like about stories but then it started to hit the things i hate#and that is even not to mention all the controversies#its just a real shame#halfask#halfpost#bendy and the ink machine#bendy and the dark revival
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To be honest,RE isn't that morality gray complex as it presented to me since in our view it's just your typical original story that has bad writing and et cetera. To those who want to read a good smart FL who doesn't have slavery on it,go read my in laws are obsessed with me(compare to navier,pereshati the FL has flaws and also has someone by her side as she does it by gaining their trust and helping them in her own comfort way. Also,pereshati so a sweetheart I'm serious),I abdicated my title as empress(the setting may be similar to RE but trust me,the FL is smart and doesn't love the emperor and doesn't want to take the throne,the ml is a green flag,the emperor has mommy issues and the antagonist is a very smart noble),don't come to the villainess stationary store( the FL doesn't want revenge and opens a stationary shop so children can enjoy the joys of being a child,a green flag ml who is chil,la bodyguard who considered the FL and FL considered the bodyguard as just a brother figure), raising my fiance with money(the FL is smart and has broke off with her cheater,helps the ml to again confidence and also has a wholesome family also bonus points the father of the FL is such a cute chubby teddy bear)
I agree! RE is my favorite train wreck, it's like those 'the hated child becomes hybrid princess' gacha mini movies, horrible writing, characterization, and plot holes everywhere, but it's fun! RE is NOT a 'Oh.... we're morally grey' It's a lot of bad writing, hypocrisy, and self contradicting. I think that helps me enjoy it. Although, I think Rashta is the only well written character, besides the cartoonishly evil things the author makes her to.
Another thing is, I'd say adding slavery to a story can really mess it up. Unless you're going to have your Mcs solve it (or at least try to) it can just ruin their characters, because it makes them seem immoral if they don't fix it, and it can make the whole story sound trashy. Usually, slavery, is just one super small plot point that gets ignored after that. In RE they try to justify it,
Also, I love Pereshati!!! Her and Therdeo are so cute and well written, I love how it's such a sincere slowburn, Pereshati has so much compassion and sympathy, but she isn't dumb and being nice to whoever, over and over again. I feel like if another author took her up, she would've had a long time romantic rivalry between Schiff and Therdeo for her affection, and Therdeo would've been smitten in two seconds. The princess was actually so freaky as a villain too, oml. The art style too! I feel like the art style makes me feel like I'm looking at actual independent adults.
Do you know where I can read 'I abdicated my title as empress' off Webtoon? I'd rather die than daily pass. I read the first few episodes, and they seemed really good. Art style and story hopefully work well together! I haven't read any of the other ones, so I wanna check them out, TYSM!!! :DDDD
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Hello! I really enjoy reading your posts, especially the Jiang Cheng posts. I'm actually noticing an absurd pattern regarding many blogs who post about him. When referring to people who use Jiang Cheng's pain and grief as an excuse to justify him torturing innocents and leading the siege, they are referred as "JC stans."
However, should they not be called as anti-fans or toxic fans? Because in whitewashing his character, they are doing a disservice by making him an uninteresting or a one-dimensional character.
Jiang Cheng is a likeable character because although we can understand the depths of his grief and suffering, we cannot justify his actions as trauma responses.
What am I to call myself, then? I'm someone who enjoyed the complexity of Jiang Cheng's character and like both canon and fanon takes, but I also do not excuse his horrible actions.
It's confusing liking a morally grey character, after all.
(Additional note: I'm currently reading TGCF, and have not begun MDZS novels. I have watched the donghua and Untamed and know that his character was softened.)
Hi! Glad to hear you enjoyed my posts.
Honestly, the reason why I call them JC stans is because that is what they called themselves first. They were happy to say it when there weren’t as many people calling them out for whitewashing the character and demonizing the others around him because of how they responded to their actions, I got called an anti and a hater for not approving of this course of action especially as Jiang Cheng himself became unrecognizable to the character they put forth, it is very much a form of stanning. It goes far beyond a regular fan status and starts to take on almost obsessive qualities. A stan is a toxic fan, it’s not really a label you want to bear with pride.
(Admittedly calling them antis would probably be funny, but I just don’t have the energy to continue to embroil myself in fandom fights and I prefer to stay in my corner. But your point stands that they are not exactly fans of the character himself, given that all of his actions are excused, erased or justified away and many of his personality traits are stripped to make a more palatable flat character instead of the rich one with depth in canon)
I would say just call yourself a fan. I respect people who like him as he is. He is not without his interesting qualities, he serves the story incredibly well as a personal antagonist to Wei Wuxian and he is not without depth. There really isn’t anything wrong with enjoying fanon. I have enjoyed some jc fanon takes in my day and will probably enjoy more in the right stories. You’re aware of him as he is, so what’s wrong with calling yourself a fan of him? Own the word with pride. You like Jiang Cheng, both in his canon form and with some fanon around him. What’s so wrong with that?
(Welcome to MXTX fandom! It’s an interesting place at times, sometimes a little stressful. I hope you enjoy tgcf! If you’d like access to the Exiled Rebels Translation as well, just send me a message and I can hook you up with another translation)
#mdzs#asks#jiang cheng#canon jiang cheng#I don’t have a problem with people who like him#I just have a problem with people bashing other characters; especially the leads for not wanting to deal with him
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Heey I really like your Stolitz and Helluva Boss Takes! They are very insightful and interesting to read. Your circus theory is adorable :)
I’m wondering, why do you think this fandom in particular is… so rabidly against media literacy. I too am an old trooper from the Destiel days and I remember the days when internet fans would beg for more complex characters that have grey morality. Also when people would BEG for gay representation like this. I’m so confused man. The “vivziepop critical” hashtag just makes me depressed. So many people seem obsessed to criticize this show and I don’t get it. I haven’t seen this much hate since Twilight. Also did the mistake of checking twitter… Also, why do people act like one person did everything when animation is a highly collaborative medium and there are 100+ creator names at the end of each episode? I’m so confused because I’ve enjoyed the show so much and went online to find fanart and fanfics and found… insane levels of hate and projection?? Why does everyone and their dog want to cancel this woman for making an animated TV show with millenial style sensibilities? Why are they saying the writing is horrible and atrocious when I personally think it’s better than Family Guy, Big Mouth, American Dad and many other adult animation show’s writings? I’m so curious because I’m from Eastern Europe and it feels like something particular about american culture doesn’t click to me in all of this…
Thank you so much Nonnie! If nothing else I might illustrate Blitzo’s little circus with everyone in their roles. I’m working on a Stolitz piece I am VERY excited about but maybe after that.
As far as your question. Whooboy is that a question I have both given a lot of thought to and found no real satisfactory answers, but I have some ideas.
I think it’s a mix of things and I think a huge part of it is the medium and the accessibility of the creators combined with the show reaching a huge internet audience other fandoms don’t really normally touch.
The audience numbers for both of the Spindlehorse/Vivziepop properties are ENORMOUS. On the main channel alone an episode will reach 20+ million views. This doesn’t include other channels that take the same episodes and put them on their channels and reach several million as well. The Nielsen numbers average around the 18-20 per episode but Nielsen ratings are a flawed metric especially with internet based media. We’ve seen some of the Amazon numbers as well and they are insane.
We also live in a time where people are under an extreme amount of scrutiny all hours of the day, the likes of which we really don’t have a comparison for in human history and we have a independent creator who was largely available to that fandom for a long period of time. A lot of media properties are corporate, are sanitized and managed by large PR firms. I think VivziePop said some things before she had fully grown and developed as a person that people latched onto as a core belief system, something the internet is really good at. There also isn’t a lot of grace given to people who change their views after taking in other viewpoints and information. If you say something it will live on in infamy and I think some of the hate stems from that.
I went into it a little in this post here that I just don’t think people are aware of the creative process that goes into making such a thing. An indie creator has to be way more transparent than a corporate entity to get the funding they need and that transparency builds expectations with people who can’t grasp that plots and characters change as the story actually develops. They are very used to prepackaged, sanitized and complete productions and this messy and chaotic realtime creative process is very foreign to them.
Critical thinking skills are also a precious resource in humanity in general, and when you’re dealing with a fandom this large you have more people who lack those skills than normal. These two shows do not spoon feed their audience, a lot of things are in the details and hidden under character complexities and I genuinely believe that they aren’t used to not being told flat out “this is what is happening. This is how the characters feel about it.” By the media they consume. We’re also dealing with two different shows with similar visual elements and comparisons are made between the two while ignoring the actual shows themselves. A great example is the chains in Hazbin for Angel and Husk being compared to the chain in the drug hallucinations in D.H.O.R.K.S. They are not remotely the same, or for the same reason but because they are visually similar, being from the same team people really thought they were on to something while ignoring the actual content and dialogue of the scene itself. Meme culture used for wrong imo.
Having characters that do “problematic” things, say “problematic” things and behave in realistic and nuanced ways is hard for people to separate from the creators or the fans. Any whiff of perceived “toxicity” is jumped on like rabid dogs. They believe it’s a reflection of what the creator and fans actually WANT in real life. It’s purity culture run amuck and it’s a HUGE issue. Like actual fascism in action and it’s extremely concerning to me but what can I do but continue to engage critically with what I like and provide analysis while enjoying it?
There is also this sense of competition in fandoms. My ship is less problematic than yours. My blorbo is a better person. Etc. It’s the silliest shit.
There is also a huge wait time between episodes. In a binge watching culture, or a serialized tv culture where seasons are completed and then released all at once or on a regular schedule with maybe a week or two between it is hard for the audience to retain what they saw previously and connect it. They also build up expectations and have months to sit with them only to be disappointed when it doesn’t play out how they wanted. The Sherlock fandom was notorious for this. The years long gap between seasons let things fester and rot and now we have a show like HB that will go months between episodes and take years to tell a story.
Being completely honest almost all the criticism I’ve seen is not rooted in actual problems with the show but people saying “if they had done X and X and X it would have be a better show” but because the show didn’t deliver what they specifically wanted it’s “not good”. Or they don’t realize it is delivering that, just at a very slow pace.
I think it can best be summed up by a lot of the internet are what me and my partner call “baby brained”. I don’t mean to be dismissive of real criticisms but I haven’t seen any that hold water yet that aren’t rooted in the things I’ve mentioned above. If I’m presented some I’ll engage with them logically and will use the text to determine their validity.
I have more thoughts on this but this is already pretty long so I’ll save it for specific posts on this subject. But like I always say, just block them and do things that make you happy with the things you love. You don’t owe them your time or your attention and the creators don’t owe them anything either.
#helluva boss#Hazbin hotel#anonymous#fandom critical#like so critical#some of y’all need something#love#therapy#a new show to focus on#I dunno
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