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midethefangirl · 9 months

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it’s been long since I made a pro Tony Stark post but seeing someone try to blame the events of Civil War going south on him had me heated. look, I will admit that some of Tony’s actions in the movie where not okay at all like wanting to kill Bucky for killing his mother while under HYDRA’s influence but maybe Steve stans and a lot of pro team cap folks should realize that Steve’s actions also played a huge role in the movie as well.

for one, maybe Steve should have realized that 119 countries banding together to make a document, you feel is threatening your rights, is a serious matter. 119 countries is almost two-thirds of the countries in the UN and the world, if a great part of the world thinks you are doing more harm than good, maybe as a superhero, you should try to reason with them.

two, Steve chose to do nothing when he thought his rights were threatened by the accords. I do think there were some human rights violations in the accords that should not have been avoided, however, Steve chose to do nothing. anyone who has done a bit of activism know how ineffective that strategy is.

three, Steve’s actions were proving to the UN even more reasons why they felt the accords were necessary. interfering with law enforcement when they were out for Bucky who was potentially dangerous was a bad idea. sure, Bucky was his best friend and I don’t blame Steve for wanting to save him. however, let us remember that Bucky had killed people while he was the Winter Soldier and the Romanian government didn’t have the perspective we have and they had every reason to see him as a huge threat.

four, infantilizing Wanda by calling her a kid because Tony decided to put her on house arrest. and yes, I agree that Tony not telling Wanda was a very bad idea but let us not forget that the Avengers were still under public scrutiny after a disaster of a mission in Lagos and the accords. Wanda could have been attacked by outsiders who could have gone the Zemo route because a family member was in Lagos and that would have caused her to try to defend herself which could get twisted by the media and turn more of the public against her and the avengers as a whole. mind you, the Avengers were facing enough mistrust from the public.

also, Steve, calling a huge comfortable compound with a swimming pool an internment is a bit tonedeaf to those whose ancestors have been to actual interments. as someone who had an Asian American on his team, I’d expect he know better.

five, accords or not, maybe the Russian government has the right to know about a man controlling dangerously brainwashed men within their country. sure, it latter turned out to be a false alarm but considering the fact that this was a security threat which many countries would take seriously, Steve for some reason never considered the fact that the Russian government should be alerted to something like that. if this didn’t scream arrogance, I don’t know what else did.

six, resisting arrest and trashing public property while on international borders in the bid of resisting arrest would piss off the very people who are already pissed at you and your American passport would not bail you out of that one. even international passports come with a warning about their holders committing a crime in other countries. the fact that Steve acknowledged that his team could get arrested for that made it even worse.

this one is actually addressed to the whole of team cap, not just Steve, but seven, you cannot commit a crime on international soil with full knowledge that it is a crime and then blame somebody else for why you ended up in jail. sure, the rift and Thaddeus Ross are sketchy in nature but Scott and Clint blaming Tony for why they ended up there was funny to me because they made the informed decision to commit a crime.

eight, which is a major part being that it was the climax of Civil War, hmmm, maybe keeping the secret of the death of the parents of your rich teammate whose money was funding the search of their killer from him is a very bad idea. idk, man, I would be angry too if it were me. sure, wanting to kill Bucky was wrong but if we didn’t fault the Mayonnaise twins, T’Challa, Peter Parker and later Shuri for going after their parents’ (perceived, in T’Challa’s case) killers, maybe we could give Tony too some grace because brainwashed or not, I would have gone after Bucky too.

nine, the apology letter was the shittiest letter ever and I don’t blame Tony for not wanting to speak to Steve during the events of Infinity War. like how can you even write that type of letter to someone you offended and expect the relationship to still be intact?

there was one part I almost forgot but that quote that emboldened Steve is also dumb the more I look at it. oh yeah, plant yourself in front of the 119 countries you didn’t even bother to address at all and tell them “no, you move” is the ultimate height of hubris. when you are already on thin ice with the public? and Steve thought this was a good idea? yikes 😬

#pro tony stark #tony stark defense squad #steve rogers critical #i’m still bitter about civil war #the more i look at it the more i hate it #and yeah i agree that the accords had their own problems too so i am not fully on board with them #but this post is less about the accords and more about steve’s response #the part that had me angry the most is the “plant yourself like a tree as say you move” quote #like my brother in christ #you didn’t even bother to address these countries in the first place #y’all didn’t even bother to have a word with the public and this is the route you want to take?!#now that im thinking about it #this is arrogance at its height #what was steve thinking when he decided to roll along with this quote?#if civil war was trying to get me to support team cap they failed woefully at that #one part was from having steve acting like this.#the fact that even chris evans was not on steve’s side should say something

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wanderingmind867 · 2 months

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I thought Iron Man was my least favorite Avenger because of his early cold war stories, but no. Captain America is the worst Avenger. Anybody with a backstory of drinking a government potion to became a superhuman ubermensch is not a backstory worth having, and him being decked out in the red, white and blue upsets me as a Canadian who's very uncomfortable with America. I know a lot of these problems aren't the characters fault (they're faults with the writers probably), but I can't look past them. Whether we be discussing the Marvel movies (which I know a bit about but never could sit through) or the comics (where I get bogged down in the 60s and 70s), I don't like Captain America. Not one bit. With one minor adjustments I could probably learn to like him, but the character as he is simply doesn't work. I don't even want to read his solo stuff from the 60s, and I usually want to try and make myself sit through everything when I'm reading. But I don't know if I could put up with all the patriotism for a country I'm not from, and that I don't even care about.

#anti captain america #both comics and mcu #marvel #marvel comics #his backstory reeks of eugenics #it really does #mcu #anti steve rogers #steve rogers critical #marvel cinematic universe #tony stark #iron man #avengers #the avengers #there we go!#every possible relevant tag!

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sea-owl · 9 months

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So I'm rewatching the Marvel movies and I just finished Captain America: civil war and I was wondering about you opinion of the movie?

Oh that can of worms. Okay before I start know this is just my opinion and that's okay if your's differ from mine. Just be respectful or you will get the block button.

So my opinion on Civil War, short answer, I deeply dislike it and will never watch it on my own free will again. The only saving grace for me with that movie is the good angst hut/comfort fics the fandom has written after.

Long answer I don't like it for many reasons, narratively being a big part of it actually. I believe the MCU jumped the gun for Civil War. They put it in too soon without doing the work for all the needed buildup for it. I believe they chose the wrong directors for this movie and I 100% believe this should not have been a Captain America movie.

In my opinion this movie was made too soon. One of the core plot points for Civil War in any rendition is that it's a break up between two people that is so bad and so strong it divides an entire community. Those two people for Civil War is Steve and Tony, which the MCU had neglected working up their relationship to pull Civil War that soon. The outside conflict was there, you could see the outside tension rising with each moving but the dynamics of Steve and Tony, hell all of the Avengers was not. Had they wanted to do this in the time frame they did there needed to be crossovers from the two characters into each other's franchise. The audience needed to see them actually liking each other and the movies building up on that and the other Avengers' relationships as a team. Hell even a mini series that connected to the movies to give us those bonding moments would have helped.

Like many others I also believe this should never have been a Captain America movie, it should have been an Avengers movie. Right off the bat it's gonna try to frame Steve in the right which no. If you want to pull this divide off you need to have the narrative neutral or both Steve and Tony need to be right and wrong. They are both two sides to this fight, and personally both should be held accountable to what happens during and after. Which leads me into the directors, the Russo brothers should not have been the directors. By their own admittance they do not like Tony, they are Cap fanboys, and had they had their way Tony would have died in this movie. This type of plot is not meant for a singular franchise character it is an ensemble plot, and you would need a director who knows how to work an ensemble cast and in my own opinion neutral to both sides. Neither Steve or Tony should have been framed as all the way right or all the way wrong. The politics to this movie is actually very complicated without even adding on the whole Bucky side plot.

Speaking of the side plot, it felt kinda unnecessary and was added for Steve's pain/a way to tie up his brainwashing healing (at least the commands) in a nice little bow. I always say Bucky came back too soon and I still hold that belief. Should've kept him a shadow for a while and maybe saved him for Sam. Sam's cap arch is already doing more for Bucky's character than Steve's ever did.

And since I know this will probably be a follow up question, my opinion on the Accords is that I'm pretty neutral. Yes as they stood amendments were defiantly needed for it, but also the Avengers really had no accountability. The group that was supposed to hold them accountable, SHIELD, was gone. In the eyes of the public they were a loose canon. I don't blame other countries not wanting this American based military like group coming into my home, fucking shit up, and then dipping out. The whole situation needed compromise, but since this is Steve's movie and Steve doesn't know compromise if it bit him in the ass it's not framed that way. Despite the fact we have whole scene in the movie where Steve was proving these people's fears right.

What do I know though, I think the movie is a mess and if I had my way I'll never watch it again.

#I also believe ross should not have been the one to present the accords #that should have been a member of the United Nations #marvel #marvel civil war #mcu #civil war critical #steve rogers critical #just a little bit #I love steve but damn he got on my nerves in this movie #captain america civil war

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notoyax17 · 2 years

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Captain America and the double-edge blade of “Context” from the outside perspective.

So... here’s the thing. The MCU, being a movie, allows us to have and add the context of Steve’s thoughts and beliefs to his actions. The framing of the movies and plot tell us to believe that Steve is “the good, moral man.”

But this is just telling us what Steve believes and what the writers believe. Anyone that’s consumed media can tell you that it’s really really easy for writers/directors to accidentally portray their characters in a way that sends a message that they hadn’t intended on.

And the message that they accidentally conveyed? Steve may unknowingly be a Hydra sympathizer or a fascist sympathizer.

(Not a Nazi sympathizer, which is...close, but specifically a Hydra one.)

That’s sounds horrible, right? Super way off base?

And it IS. That’s kinda my point. They didn’t mean to make it seem like that, but in universe, it would be stupidly easy for any journalist to make that case, regardless of whether or not it’s true.

PEGGY CARTER

Steve’s first love was Peggy Carter. Steve and Peggy are actually strikingly similar to each other, disenfranchised (due to health issues/stature and gender, respectively) trying to prove themselves and needing power to do so. They are both very quick to disregard the law, up to and including committing treason, when convenient to pursue their goals.

It’s important to note that it’s to pursue their goals, rather than just saying to do what’s “right.” Steve committed treason in his multiple attempts to join the army when actually being allowed to do so would have only gotten him and anyone trying to defend him killed. He didn’t need to join the war to help with the war effort. It’s just wanted he wanted for himself (Bucky - “Sure, because you’ve got nothing to prove...”). Peggy, despite no evidence and Howard Stark being her “friend”, decided that Howard intended to use Steve’s blood for nefarious purposes, so she stole the vial, which IIRC was part of government research since SI is a military contractor, and destroyed without so much as talking to him about it first. Supposedly because she didn’t want Howard to profit off of it, never mind any ways that those samples could have help the medical field or the army.

They would both go on to lead their own Stark funded organizations - SHIELD and the Avengers.

Which leads to the next big issue. A desire to have or retain power.

SHIELD should be self-explanatory. Needing their fingers in every pie, secretive, breaking laws left and right to get things done, monitoring and capturing enhanced if they don’t work for SHIELD, etc. SHIELD’s policy’s reflect Peggy Carter’s desire for control of as much as she could get her hands on. There is no reason for SHIELD’s existence outside of not trusting anyone else to get the job done “right” and her distaste for the lack of trust/respect that she got from others in the spy/government community.

Steve ran into the same problem with the Avengers, the unwillingness to let go of his own complete control over the team once the accords came calling. There is something to be said that, of all the people in that initial meeting, the ones considered most intelligent (a super spy, a literal rocket scientist, a genius engineer/most prolific CEO in the world outside of Pepper Potts, an android with the entire wealth of knowledge on the internet at his fingertips) all agreed on signing the accords.

He turns them down but when given the option again, in order to avoid the first sign of real consequences for his actions coming down on his head, he nearly takes it. He only turns it down based on a weak excuse (Wanda’s “internment” in the sprawling compound. He fought in WWII. He should know what real internment is. Tony’s baffled response about her basically being “grounded” makes more sense than internment considering the size and amenities of the compound, Vision’s presence and the fact that the team frequently refers to her as a kid), escapes the moment he has a chance and continues on.

Which brings us to the next point, and also something Steve and Peggy have in common.

WANDA and ZOLA

This is actually where the real issues start.

Both Peggy and Steve recruited a known Hydra agent into their ranks with minimal to no real oversight.

SHIELD has a habit of recruiting people based on their “usefulness” rather than their belief in the cause or their goodness of character (I could go on a long rant about SHIELD’s really shitty record when it comes to asset management, but that’s something for another day).

They both trusted their own judgement on these people. Their trusted their own judgement on their new charge’s character, on their ability to handle or control them, etc. And neither are the types to actually fully acknowledge being wrong, as stubborn as they are.

So, despite committing outright atrocities (Zola was experimenting on soldiers in Austria - Bucky happened to be one of the few/the only one to survive that. Wanda unleashed the Hulk on Johannesburg just a day or so before), both were welcomed into the ranks with the slate wiped clean. Zola allowed enough freedom to work directly with Howard Stark and to make something that allowed him to upload his mind onto a computer. Wanda was running missions with Steve, against Hydra, despite being “untrained.”

And, of course, the moment those two were not looking, the world was visibly paying for it - Zola’s Hydra infiltrating SHIELD and the Winter Soldier’s missions, Wanda’s entire thing in WandaVision.

Apparently, fucking half of SHIELD turned out to be Hydra. That’s... that’s honestly an appalling level of incompetence for the so called spies of spies to have missed that, okay.

There is also Steve’s immediate sympathy towards the Maximoff twins in AOU. Something that Maria Hill herself notes as kind of off base, even if she doesn’t make a big deal about it.

Steve, of all people, shouldn’t be sympathizing with twins’ joining Hydra to supposedly protect their country. Not less than one year after the clusterfuck in DC. He should be baffled. He should be shaking his head at people that would compromise themselves in that way.

He should NOT be looking at a pair of willing Hydra agents and seeing himself in them.

(There was no coercion there, they were not tricked. Wanda can read minds and... you know, they were sent after the Avengers.)

(I remember that conversation, that moment, being when the Shine of Captain America, who I had loved in TFA and TWS, started to wear off, and it just got worst as the movie went on.)

And then, Steve, the enemy of Hydra, takes the word of these actual Hydra agents who tried to kill their team yesterday over that of his own team and attacks them when they are in the process of creating Vision.

With no proof outside of Wanda’s word. The word of someone that has no problem admitting that she hates Tony Stark (and would thus have a motivation to lie to turn his team against him). The word of someone that unleased the Hulk on hundreds of innocent people - made worse by the fact that she likely didn’t know about the Hulkbuster armor.

But it’s okay, because Steve trusts her and she totally helped them out in a crunch! (To save her own life and the country she supposedly loves. But not to save South Africa or Seoul, because fuck ‘em, right?)

Steve also, in hiding the truth of the Stark’s deaths to protect Bucky, protected the Hydra agents that ordered the hit in the first place.

And lastly, he returns to live out his life in the past (disregarding all the warnings of not doing shit like that). Steve returns to the past and, despite being the touted enemy of Hydra, presumably ignores the decades of atrocities (against the world, against two supposedly close friends, against SHIELD) that they would go on to commit. He lived and slept peacefully despite knowing full well that Bucky was being tortured. He turned a blind eye to the death of a man he once called a friend, the corruption of his company and near murder of his son. He allowed his girlfriend/wife’s life work to be corrupted by Hydra and didn’t say a word.

STEVE’S FRIENDS (AND THE PEOPLE HE WORKED WITH)

This is the last point. It’s not as damning, but it’s... an itch.

There’s Bucky Barnes - unwilling Hydra agent. He has minimal to no real culpability for his crimes considering all of the brainwashing. It’s more that having your girlfriend and your best friend both have ties to Hydra is pretty awkward.

The STRIKE team. Steve spent somewhere between 1-2 years on a team comprised solely of Hydra agents with the occasional Natasha as his team. While not buddy-buddy (which he wasn’t with anyone at this time), he was friendly with them. They were his colleagues for almost around/longer than the Howling Commandoes were. There is a strong chance that they had some influence on him. You don’t spend that much time with people and pick up nothing from them.

Natasha. For better or for worse, Natasha is a former Russian Red Room (partnered with Hydra) agent that defected to become a SHIELD (partnered/influenced by Hydra) agent that is well known for being duplicitous as a habit and job. One who then compromised the entire US government and its relationships with other countries by dumping all of SHIELD’s secrets (and the secrets they had on other countries, no doubt) online. And of all the people that Steve could have trusted/gone to, he chose her. Whether this was good or bad is irrelevant. My point is that it looks bad.

Sam. (I love Sam and Anthony Mackie, he was the best part of that movie outside of the fight scenes, honestly.) Steve had known Sam for all of three days before going to him for help with defeating Hydra. He just so happened to have the file on the Falcon wings in his home for reasons. And casually agrees with committing treason alongside these two (in stealing the wings and everything else that happened in that movie). Sam could have been a Hydra plant (just as Sharon was a SHIELD plant) sent to watch him. He didn’t know who to trust but called on Sam of all people, assuming he had no ulterior motives.

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As an aside and final note, Steve’s ability to shift and eventually wield Mjölnir is touted as an undeniably “proof” of Steve’s goodness, which... it’s blatantly not in a way that’s baffling.

Setting aside Thor’s genocidal past (since the spell was placed after that), both Odin and Hela are capable of wielding the Hammer. Hela is...well, still entirely genocidal. Odin’s arc in his movies are mostly about his lies to his sons coming to light, his own genocidal past, and him considering humans to be like lowly animals and Jotun to be monsters.

Being “worthy” is a nebulous concept. Is it being a good person? Is it being worthy of holding the throne of Asgard (a notably warrior/blood-thirsty race of aliens)? Is it being similar to Odin (a list of traits that Odin specifically wanted in his son, for good or ill)? We don’t know!

Remember, despite Vision being the first of the team outside of Thor to fully lift Mjölnir, his opinions on what the “right” thing to do have little to no weight in the next movie.

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“Good becomes better and bad becomes worse,” is the saying for the Super Soldier serum. Abraham Erskine offered the serum to Steve because he wanted a “good man” who could become a better man. After all, look at what happened with The Red Skull.

But... that’s a sample size of one.

So, how does Erskine know that that’s the case?

Or that it’s mutually exclusive.

What if good becomes better and bad becomes worse? What if both the good traits and the bad ones are amplified? What if Steve’s good traits were amplified enough for him to not go all in on the evil side but his bad traits (stubbornness, need to prove himself/be important/have control, his lying to suit his needs, etc) are also increased, leading to string of bad decisions that are worsened by the fact that almost no one actually takes him to task until really late in the game as a result of decades of propaganda?

What if Steve is only considered a Good Man because the writers/story say he is?

#MCU meta #steve rogers critical #peggy carter critical #but not really bashing either #steve rogers #peggy carter #wanda maximoff #arnim zola #hydra #My posts

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calliope-saga · 2 years

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Can i please have some legitimate criticism of steve rogers

So I’ve been scrolling in the anti steve rogers tag (I know, I know--maybe my first mistake) for a project I’ve been thinking about (fixing the MCU), as I needed some good flaws to give the character a titch more nuance and the wiki wasn’t being very helpful. I’ve noticed that a lot of the time, antis--even if I don’t agree with them--have very well-thought out points with evidence from canon and long explanations. That’s what I thought I’d be getting. But I didn’t.

Most of the posts in this tag are along the typical anti lines: “I don’t like this character because XYZ.” But I noticed two things. First, there’s almost never any evidence for these claims. A poster will claim that Steve is entitled or selfish, and that’s just the end of the post. WHY is he selfish? What, specifically, can you point to in canon that supports that? Because I need something like that, and if you can point me to a scene that supports your point, I’d love to hear it--like I said, I need it!

Secondly, a ton of the criticism of Steve is very tied up in other characters. It’s not that these posters are talking about Steve’s character and his flaws and actions as it relates to him--it’s all “he treated Tony bad!” and “he left Bucky behind!” Like, my guy, Steve isn’t just his relationship to these two characters. He has a personality that is separate from them.

I get that a lot of the time, character relationships and interactions inform a character’s personality, but it’s always these two characters. And a lot of the time, it’s pretty clear that, reading between the lines, the people who are bringing up these same two characters are stucky fans or tony fans. So it seems less like a criticism in good faith and more like stans that are getting mad that their fave isn’t being treated as well as they’d like. More character relationships would be beneficial. How does Steve treat the Howling Commandos? Team Cap? Wanda, Sam, Clint, Peggy, Natasha--all of those characters inform Steve’s character just as much as Tony and Bucky do, and I haven’t seen people talking about them.

I’m not here to just complain about people treating Steve badly--I went to the anti steve rogers tag, I knew what I was signing up for. I’m here for a call to action--does anyone who might see this have any good faith criticism and/or some better tags for me to explore?

#mcu #criticism #steve rogers critical #anti steve rogers #should i tag that?#i want people who don't like him #i like him #i have that pov and i want another #steve rogers #captain america #trying to cover my bases #i need ppl to see this lol

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moontheoretist · 2 years

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This is how "sometimes we cannot save everybody" talk should go. Not the crap that Steve said to make Wanda feel better. They should have talked what they could have done differently in that situation. If it was in their capabilities and if it would help them avoid the tragedy. And if tragedy still happened despite them doing everything they could to prevent it, then they should have admitted that they were powerless to stop it and accept that people sometimes die. Then and ONLY THEN saying “that sometimes we cannot save everybody”.

#young justice #young justice spoilers #young justice season 4 #young justice season 4 spoilers #mcu critical #hero's trauma #mcu steve rogers critical #steve rogers critical #trauma

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buckymilf · 10 months

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everyday this meme i made in 2021 becomes more real, thanks rogers the musical

#bucky barnes #bucky #stucky #steve rogers #captain america #stevebucky #marvel #wintershield #steve x bucky #winter soldier #anti disney #marvel critical #mcu critical #anti steggy

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wiyu989 · 8 months

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"Bucky was happy for Steve!"

Yeah, totally.

#no I will never get over this #FUCK endgame #everyone say thank you sebastian stan for affirming our misgivings about steve's awful ending lmao #steve rogers #bucky barnes #avengers endgame #endgame critical #stucky #stevebucky #nearly 5 years and I'm still not over it!#never will be #ok bye

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hurtspideyparker · 12 days

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Bucky: God I hate that trope where a character chooses a love interest over their best friends.

Tony: Yeah tell me about it.

Bucky: ...

Bucky: So do you wanna beat me up again or

#if steve rogers has no critics tony and bucky are dead #tony stark #bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky #marvel mcu #incorrect marvel #incorrect marvel quotes

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lavenderpanic · 4 months

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It's so insane bc I watched Endgame in theaters right when it came out, I have had yearssss to get over Steve leaving Bucky. Getting into the fandom and getting more into sambucky has been like. A good way to find people who feel the same way about Endgame and also engage with happier stucky or sambucky narratives so I've kinda gotten past it but like. This bullshit "if stucky was het it would be canon" thing that Marvel is doing is soooo frustrating because it really has become so obvious in retrospect that the people who wrote and produced Endgame were so horrified, so petrified that people might think Steve could be queer that they needed to shoehorn in the most out of character ending for a beloved character and absolutely ruin the arc that was started in CATFA and continued in every one of his appearances since.

And ALSO like??? The message it sends about trauma survivors?? Genuinely, the message of Steve leaving Bucky for Peggy was "even if you think you can be loved and redeemed despite your trauma, the people who love you more than anything in the world might (will?) leave you for someone easier" like??? How devastating. It is so abundantly clear that Marvel doesn't know how to deal with characters like Natasha or Bucky who have done bad things in the past. Their answer for Natasha was "have her kill herself to make up for the shit she did in her past" and I'm 90% sure that's gonna be the MCU ending to Bucky's character arc as well.

#anti endgame #what if season 2 #stucky #anti steggy #anti peggy carter #sam wilson #bucky barnes #steve rogers #stevebucky #endgame #mcu critical

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amarriageoftrueminds · 10 months

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Gay ships getting screwed over by homophobic producers/writers as soon as they get wind of it is nothing new, but what has been done to stucky really is uniquely cruel.

I’ve never heard of a gay ship having one member’s importance to the other simply... written out of the show/film? (Has this been done?)

Never heard of a gay ship having decades of important source material about them deliberately sabotaged just to spite a gay ship (that wasn’t even canonically gay or ever going to be so, anyway?)

Or having the (heterosexual-ising) female character literally put into the male character’s canon place, using his gay-inspiring scenes, with any other ship.

I’ve never heard of an actor’s brilliant performance, which made certain lines iconic; whose skill as an actor is the very reason they’re iconic... simply being taken away from him and credited to an untalented actress who never said them.

Just to damage an un-canon gay ship?!

Imagine they brought out new Trek shows with Kirk and Spock and said ‘anyway, Spock never meant anything to Kirk, every Spirk thing he said was actually said to/about his new wife Spacky (Woman who joined the Hating-Vulcans Society and hired guys to torture Spock) and here’s a flashback to Spacky as Kirk’s Chief Science Officer all those years. Also we will be buying up other media and editing all tie-ins to reflect that they are nOT GAY.’

It’s unprecedentedly monstrous.

#fuck disney #mcu critical #antipeggy #antisteggy #homophobia #stucky #mcu meta #meta #steggy is hydra trash party #steve meta #bucky meta #stucky meta #steve rogers #bucky barnes #also I genuinely didn't know I was posting this next to a spirk post #some poor shipper's about to come into the tags telling me 'they did that to my ship!'#I have never heard of a gay ship getting shivved in the specific way stucky has #maybe I've been lucky 🤔#I BET I know what they're going to do for WhatIf season 2 #I BET YOU they're going to say BUCKY co-founded SHIELD and let the Nazis in #If they're already trying to claim Piggy did all the good things Bucky did...#I BET YOU they're gunna start claiming HE did all the bad things SHE did #they're SO threatened by this ship and SO LAZY and SO CREATIVELY BANKRUPT #and steggy is such a WEAK ASS piece of writing...#look at how they treat ie. loki and thor by comparison #they JUST kill one off #they DON'T go back through all of thor's history to make sure to undo every single thor/loki moment that ever happened and put some heifer i #they didn't go back through TONY's history to make sure it was ALWAYS PEPPER who ever said anything to him ever #they JUST do this to stucky #cynthia glass

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luna-rainbow · 7 months

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So…I saw a Blu-ray featurette on Bilibili where the writers and directors talk about Bucky, with key quotes like:

Cap 1 and Cap 2 both show that Cap’s allegiance, more than anything, is to Bucky Barnes, his best friends since when he was Steve Rogers, the 100 pound weakling. (Nate Moore)

The Winter Soldier has such a complicated history. We wanted that to have a real presence to it, to see the harshness with which he was treated. He’s both good and bad, hero and villain. (Joe Russo)

That’s the most heartbreaking scenario in his life, Bucky was the guy who’s always been there. Those are the scenes that make the action scenes worth it. What are you willing to compromise and sacrifice and forfeit for the greater good? And that is close to home for Steve. (Chris Evans)

Here’s Bucky Barnes, who’s been the Winter Soldier for 80 years, who in his own way was a Prisoner of War (Nate Moore)

Members of Hydra in Russia secreted him away to a missile facility in Siberia. He was treated with the same level of security as a nuclear weapon. (Joe Russo)

Suddenly, the main guy you have to defeat is your best link to the most pleasant memories you have of your childhood and of your past. (Kevin Feige)

We all know what happened between “Bucky is Steve’s strongest allegiance,” “his biggest sacrifice,” “his best link to his most pleasant memories” and Steve needs to retire into another timeline.

But what exactly happened between “Bucky Barnes was a prisoner of war and treated very harshly by Hydra” to “he needs to make amends for what he did under Hydra”?

#bucky barnes #steve rogers #anti endgame #tfatws critical #stucky

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pandagirl45 · 6 months

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Woman: stark should really date someone his age, those two are far to young for him

Bucky: *holds a hand out* I am capping in on 100 plus years old

Steve,: I am hitting 100 quite soon myself, good evening *holds his hand out*

Woman: *embarrassed hurrying away*

Tony: stop. Intimidating. People. *holds their arms* but you both are getting a big fat dinner tomorrow

Bucky: yesss *kisses his cheek*

Steve: *kisses his other cheek*

#i dont know what this is #i keep thinking about that one blog post #and the amount of times people would say that about them #pfft #tony stark #bucky barnes #winteriron #steve rogers #tony stark x bucky barnes #steve rogers x tony stark #stony #stuckony #its silly #the true age difference #the truth #i dont take criticism

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steveandbuckysdaughter · 4 months

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Have you ever noticed that ever since season one of What If introduced Captain Carter, she's been showing up a lot more than Sam Wilson as Captain America? I once queationed it, which pissed off some Peggy stans on this site to the point where I had to alter the tags so I wouldn't have to deal with them.

Oh yeah I did, trust me, you’re not the only one. Many Sam or Steve or Bucky stans and, yk, Peggy antis here on tumblr noticed it, but her stans are just too stubborn to accept it.

In my humble opinion, I think Peggy is simply a better character for marvel to sell as cap (and not for the right reasons), which is why Sam’s cap hasn’t appeared in 2/3 years and all of Steve’s appearances were butchered.

Steve is noble, all about freedom and doing what’s right. He was a disabled son of immigrants who knew struggle and, in his own words, didn’t like bullies no matter where they came from, which means that doing what was right to him was more important than any government, any authority. Civil War is all about this characterization of Steve, and it’s why he was the perfect man for the job.

Sam is like Steve. He is a noble man who knew struggle and suffering growing up, who lost loved ones, his place in the world the moment he chose to follow what was right instead of what was ordered to him. He was ridiculed and beaten down, and risked losing it all multiple times, but that never made him back down. Plus, to add fuel to the fire, the higher powers would have never accepted him as Captain America because he’s black, no matter if Captain America himself passed the mantle to him, they wouldn’t have accepted him and still didn’t right up to the finale of TFATWS. Sam is perfect for the job and mirrors Steve as the perfect Captain America of his time.

Peggy is… well, she’s nothing of these things.

Yes, she’s a woman, and so everyone would be expected to find sympathy for her, to root for her, but aside from her stans no one actually does. Peggy has a support system and respect, like it or not, and she was relevant. She’s arrogant, she’s headstrong, and she doesn’t go against the system because she is the system. She’s not a minority, she never knew struggle, hell, she lived a comfortable life up until the war and after. And marvel can use her more than Sam or Steve because she’s not troublesome like them, she’s not going to rebel the system if not for selfish reasons or plot points. She’s not Steve, she’s not Sam, and she shouldn’t be, but at the same time Peggy should not be a Captain that marvel should enforce in their media over and over again.

As Erskine said, “Because the strong man who has known power all his life may lose respect for that power, but a weak man knows the value of strength and knows... compassion.” And while Steve and Sam don’t know strength in the sense that Erskine disregards, Peggy does. And if anything, she resembles John Walker.

Not to mention she is no character of her own, she’s simply the mixture of some characters thrown together in a cauldron, and in addition she’s a Mary Sue. She is a villain masked as hero, one that is convenient as a character and can be thrown from side to side as if she was some Y/N insert in an avengers fanfic.

Not only she has made more appearances than the current Captain America, but she managed to insert herself in the majority of What If…’s storylines, even more than actual main characters. Like, you want to tell me people actually want yet another episode about Peggy or with Peggy being a major character instead of Wanda, Loki or the main six avengers? No one does, not even the stans with a functioning brain. But Marvel will not stop, and whatever chokehold Hayley Atwell has on them will last until she’ll be satisfied with the colonization of all the possible marvel projects.

So ultimately, to answer your question: yes, I did notice Sam is being overshadow by a dusty side character that should have stayed dead back in 2016. You’re not alone, and I’m glad I’m not either. If you scroll on my profile you’ll soon find an old post of mine from last year, during the MoM era, where I was talking about this issue, and a Peggy stan went ballistic and on a rant on how I was using Sam as an excuse to hate on Peggy and justify Stucky. (Btw nice move altering the hashtags, I’ve done it too and it’s been a blessing for me.)

Feel free to check that post and come back in the asks, I’d love to discuss that and maybe share some posts regarding the issue (if I can find them lol)

#rant #anti peggy carter #Steve rogers #sam wilson #Captain America #the falcon and the winter soldier #mcu critical #what if #what if season 2 #Ross rants

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