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notoyax17 · 2 years

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Captain America and the double-edge blade of “Context” from the outside perspective.

So... here’s the thing. The MCU, being a movie, allows us to have and add the context of Steve’s thoughts and beliefs to his actions. The framing of the movies and plot tell us to believe that Steve is “the good, moral man.”

But this is just telling us what Steve believes and what the writers believe. Anyone that’s consumed media can tell you that it’s really really easy for writers/directors to accidentally portray their characters in a way that sends a message that they hadn’t intended on.

And the message that they accidentally conveyed? Steve may unknowingly be a Hydra sympathizer or a fascist sympathizer.

(Not a Nazi sympathizer, which is...close, but specifically a Hydra one.)

That’s sounds horrible, right? Super way off base?

And it IS. That’s kinda my point. They didn’t mean to make it seem like that, but in universe, it would be stupidly easy for any journalist to make that case, regardless of whether or not it’s true.

PEGGY CARTER

Steve’s first love was Peggy Carter. Steve and Peggy are actually strikingly similar to each other, disenfranchised (due to health issues/stature and gender, respectively) trying to prove themselves and needing power to do so. They are both very quick to disregard the law, up to and including committing treason, when convenient to pursue their goals.

It’s important to note that it’s to pursue their goals, rather than just saying to do what’s “right.” Steve committed treason in his multiple attempts to join the army when actually being allowed to do so would have only gotten him and anyone trying to defend him killed. He didn’t need to join the war to help with the war effort. It’s just wanted he wanted for himself (Bucky - “Sure, because you’ve got nothing to prove...”). Peggy, despite no evidence and Howard Stark being her “friend”, decided that Howard intended to use Steve’s blood for nefarious purposes, so she stole the vial, which IIRC was part of government research since SI is a military contractor, and destroyed without so much as talking to him about it first. Supposedly because she didn’t want Howard to profit off of it, never mind any ways that those samples could have help the medical field or the army.

They would both go on to lead their own Stark funded organizations - SHIELD and the Avengers.

Which leads to the next big issue. A desire to have or retain power.

SHIELD should be self-explanatory. Needing their fingers in every pie, secretive, breaking laws left and right to get things done, monitoring and capturing enhanced if they don’t work for SHIELD, etc. SHIELD’s policy’s reflect Peggy Carter’s desire for control of as much as she could get her hands on. There is no reason for SHIELD’s existence outside of not trusting anyone else to get the job done “right” and her distaste for the lack of trust/respect that she got from others in the spy/government community.

Steve ran into the same problem with the Avengers, the unwillingness to let go of his own complete control over the team once the accords came calling. There is something to be said that, of all the people in that initial meeting, the ones considered most intelligent (a super spy, a literal rocket scientist, a genius engineer/most prolific CEO in the world outside of Pepper Potts, an android with the entire wealth of knowledge on the internet at his fingertips) all agreed on signing the accords.

He turns them down but when given the option again, in order to avoid the first sign of real consequences for his actions coming down on his head, he nearly takes it. He only turns it down based on a weak excuse (Wanda’s “internment” in the sprawling compound. He fought in WWII. He should know what real internment is. Tony’s baffled response about her basically being “grounded” makes more sense than internment considering the size and amenities of the compound, Vision’s presence and the fact that the team frequently refers to her as a kid), escapes the moment he has a chance and continues on.

Which brings us to the next point, and also something Steve and Peggy have in common.

WANDA and ZOLA

This is actually where the real issues start.

Both Peggy and Steve recruited a known Hydra agent into their ranks with minimal to no real oversight.

SHIELD has a habit of recruiting people based on their “usefulness” rather than their belief in the cause or their goodness of character (I could go on a long rant about SHIELD’s really shitty record when it comes to asset management, but that’s something for another day).

They both trusted their own judgement on these people. Their trusted their own judgement on their new charge’s character, on their ability to handle or control them, etc. And neither are the types to actually fully acknowledge being wrong, as stubborn as they are.

So, despite committing outright atrocities (Zola was experimenting on soldiers in Austria - Bucky happened to be one of the few/the only one to survive that. Wanda unleashed the Hulk on Johannesburg just a day or so before), both were welcomed into the ranks with the slate wiped clean. Zola allowed enough freedom to work directly with Howard Stark and to make something that allowed him to upload his mind onto a computer. Wanda was running missions with Steve, against Hydra, despite being “untrained.”

And, of course, the moment those two were not looking, the world was visibly paying for it - Zola’s Hydra infiltrating SHIELD and the Winter Soldier’s missions, Wanda’s entire thing in WandaVision.

Apparently, fucking half of SHIELD turned out to be Hydra. That’s... that’s honestly an appalling level of incompetence for the so called spies of spies to have missed that, okay.

There is also Steve’s immediate sympathy towards the Maximoff twins in AOU. Something that Maria Hill herself notes as kind of off base, even if she doesn’t make a big deal about it.

Steve, of all people, shouldn’t be sympathizing with twins’ joining Hydra to supposedly protect their country. Not less than one year after the clusterfuck in DC. He should be baffled. He should be shaking his head at people that would compromise themselves in that way.

He should NOT be looking at a pair of willing Hydra agents and seeing himself in them.

(There was no coercion there, they were not tricked. Wanda can read minds and... you know, they were sent after the Avengers.)

(I remember that conversation, that moment, being when the Shine of Captain America, who I had loved in TFA and TWS, started to wear off, and it just got worst as the movie went on.)

And then, Steve, the enemy of Hydra, takes the word of these actual Hydra agents who tried to kill their team yesterday over that of his own team and attacks them when they are in the process of creating Vision.

With no proof outside of Wanda’s word. The word of someone that has no problem admitting that she hates Tony Stark (and would thus have a motivation to lie to turn his team against him). The word of someone that unleased the Hulk on hundreds of innocent people - made worse by the fact that she likely didn’t know about the Hulkbuster armor.

But it’s okay, because Steve trusts her and she totally helped them out in a crunch! (To save her own life and the country she supposedly loves. But not to save South Africa or Seoul, because fuck ‘em, right?)

Steve also, in hiding the truth of the Stark’s deaths to protect Bucky, protected the Hydra agents that ordered the hit in the first place.

And lastly, he returns to live out his life in the past (disregarding all the warnings of not doing shit like that). Steve returns to the past and, despite being the touted enemy of Hydra, presumably ignores the decades of atrocities (against the world, against two supposedly close friends, against SHIELD) that they would go on to commit. He lived and slept peacefully despite knowing full well that Bucky was being tortured. He turned a blind eye to the death of a man he once called a friend, the corruption of his company and near murder of his son. He allowed his girlfriend/wife’s life work to be corrupted by Hydra and didn’t say a word.

STEVE’S FRIENDS (AND THE PEOPLE HE WORKED WITH)

This is the last point. It’s not as damning, but it’s... an itch.

There’s Bucky Barnes - unwilling Hydra agent. He has minimal to no real culpability for his crimes considering all of the brainwashing. It’s more that having your girlfriend and your best friend both have ties to Hydra is pretty awkward.

The STRIKE team. Steve spent somewhere between 1-2 years on a team comprised solely of Hydra agents with the occasional Natasha as his team. While not buddy-buddy (which he wasn’t with anyone at this time), he was friendly with them. They were his colleagues for almost around/longer than the Howling Commandoes were. There is a strong chance that they had some influence on him. You don’t spend that much time with people and pick up nothing from them.

Natasha. For better or for worse, Natasha is a former Russian Red Room (partnered with Hydra) agent that defected to become a SHIELD (partnered/influenced by Hydra) agent that is well known for being duplicitous as a habit and job. One who then compromised the entire US government and its relationships with other countries by dumping all of SHIELD’s secrets (and the secrets they had on other countries, no doubt) online. And of all the people that Steve could have trusted/gone to, he chose her. Whether this was good or bad is irrelevant. My point is that it looks bad.

Sam. (I love Sam and Anthony Mackie, he was the best part of that movie outside of the fight scenes, honestly.) Steve had known Sam for all of three days before going to him for help with defeating Hydra. He just so happened to have the file on the Falcon wings in his home for reasons. And casually agrees with committing treason alongside these two (in stealing the wings and everything else that happened in that movie). Sam could have been a Hydra plant (just as Sharon was a SHIELD plant) sent to watch him. He didn’t know who to trust but called on Sam of all people, assuming he had no ulterior motives.

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As an aside and final note, Steve’s ability to shift and eventually wield Mjölnir is touted as an undeniably “proof” of Steve’s goodness, which... it’s blatantly not in a way that’s baffling.

Setting aside Thor’s genocidal past (since the spell was placed after that), both Odin and Hela are capable of wielding the Hammer. Hela is...well, still entirely genocidal. Odin’s arc in his movies are mostly about his lies to his sons coming to light, his own genocidal past, and him considering humans to be like lowly animals and Jotun to be monsters.

Being “worthy” is a nebulous concept. Is it being a good person? Is it being worthy of holding the throne of Asgard (a notably warrior/blood-thirsty race of aliens)? Is it being similar to Odin (a list of traits that Odin specifically wanted in his son, for good or ill)? We don’t know!

Remember, despite Vision being the first of the team outside of Thor to fully lift Mjölnir, his opinions on what the “right” thing to do have little to no weight in the next movie.

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“Good becomes better and bad becomes worse,” is the saying for the Super Soldier serum. Abraham Erskine offered the serum to Steve because he wanted a “good man” who could become a better man. After all, look at what happened with The Red Skull.

But... that’s a sample size of one.

So, how does Erskine know that that’s the case?

Or that it’s mutually exclusive.

What if good becomes better and bad becomes worse? What if both the good traits and the bad ones are amplified? What if Steve’s good traits were amplified enough for him to not go all in on the evil side but his bad traits (stubbornness, need to prove himself/be important/have control, his lying to suit his needs, etc) are also increased, leading to string of bad decisions that are worsened by the fact that almost no one actually takes him to task until really late in the game as a result of decades of propaganda?

What if Steve is only considered a Good Man because the writers/story say he is?

#MCU meta #steve rogers critical #peggy carter critical #but not really bashing either #steve rogers #peggy carter #wanda maximoff #arnim zola #hydra #My posts

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buckymilf · 5 months

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marvel for the love of god PLEASE STOP forcing down steve and peggy down our throats, we get it, you ruined his character so they could be together now let us REST, we can't take this anymore.

#anti stevepeggy #anti peggy carter #anti captain carter #mcu critical #steve rogers #what if #what if season 2

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lavenderpanic · 4 months

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It's so insane bc I watched Endgame in theaters right when it came out, I have had yearssss to get over Steve leaving Bucky. Getting into the fandom and getting more into sambucky has been like. A good way to find people who feel the same way about Endgame and also engage with happier stucky or sambucky narratives so I've kinda gotten past it but like. This bullshit "if stucky was het it would be canon" thing that Marvel is doing is soooo frustrating because it really has become so obvious in retrospect that the people who wrote and produced Endgame were so horrified, so petrified that people might think Steve could be queer that they needed to shoehorn in the most out of character ending for a beloved character and absolutely ruin the arc that was started in CATFA and continued in every one of his appearances since.

And ALSO like??? The message it sends about trauma survivors?? Genuinely, the message of Steve leaving Bucky for Peggy was "even if you think you can be loved and redeemed despite your trauma, the people who love you more than anything in the world might (will?) leave you for someone easier" like??? How devastating. It is so abundantly clear that Marvel doesn't know how to deal with characters like Natasha or Bucky who have done bad things in the past. Their answer for Natasha was "have her kill herself to make up for the shit she did in her past" and I'm 90% sure that's gonna be the MCU ending to Bucky's character arc as well.

#anti endgame #what if season 2 #stucky #anti steggy #anti peggy carter #sam wilson #bucky barnes #steve rogers #stevebucky #endgame #mcu critical

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booksandabeer · 4 months

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Ramblings on Fandom: Peggy Carter, Steve Rogers, Delusional Shippers, and Alleged Misogyny

So with the release of Season 2 of What If…? emotions are once again running high, the outrage is outraging, and people are up in arms about the whole Captain Carter situation. While I do think that some reactions are a little overblown, even needlessly aggressive in tone to the unfortunate detriment of their otherwise convincing arguments, I share the confusion and frustration about the sudden centering of a long-dead & never excessively popular character, the sidelining of the Steve-Bucky friendship, and the as-inexplicable-as-it-is-total exclusion of Sam Wilson as Captain America. However, I’m not here to talk about the show because (1) I haven’t watched this season and have no plans to (why waste time torturing myself with something I know I’ll hate?) and (2) other people have already written dozens of metas about it, so what could I possibly add at this point.

What I do want need to talk about (lest I explode) is something that has irritated me for a long time and that is now happening again: Every time someone even mildly criticizes Peggy Carter, expresses doubts about her suitability as a heroine, or even just questions her disproportionate importance to the franchise post-EG, inevitably a certain section of fans will come out of the woodwork to immediately throw around accusations of misogyny and yell about how we’re all just a bunch of delusional Stuckies who are mad that she got "in the way" of our ship. Sigh.

This is gonna be a long one, so I’ll put it under a cut. Rant incoming. You've been warned. If you don't want to read, simply scroll on by.

First of all, let me state very clearly that I’m not debating the existence of misogyny and sexism in fandom spaces—or in the media from which these fandoms originate. At all. It exists, it’s a thing, I’m not denying that. Which is exactly why it frustrates me endlessly to see these accusations thrown around as a gotcha! argument to shut down any and all critical debate around a female character. All it does in the end is escalate rhetoric and radicalize attitudes.

In the case of Peggy Carter, specifically her treatment by Stucky shippers, I’ve always found 'misogyny as a motive' to be a largely unsubstantiated accusation.¹ Now, I neither presume nor do I want to speak for the entirety of Stuckynation, so I will not claim that there aren't corners of the fandom where people discuss her in ways that I find off-putting and deeply unserious, but I will say this: If you genuinely believe that disliking one (1) fictional female character equals “hating all women” and wanting to suppress and marginalize their presence in fiction and real life alike—then I think we need to take that word away from you until you’ve learned its true meaning.

You might also want to ask yourself how exactly reducing a female character to a mute trophy wife or a heroine who has to act out her love interest’s recycled storylines helps your feminist fight.

As to the “standing in the way of your ship” part of the argument. Very simply put: No character can stand in the way of something if there never ever was “a way” to that something to begin with. “Being mad” implies that there was a reasonable expectation that wasn’t met, a substantive hope that was crushed. Now, I’ve said this before and I’ll gladly say it again a million more times: No Stucky shipper in their right mind ever truly thought that there was even the slightest chance that Marvel Studios owned by the Walt Disney Company would allow Steve “Captain America” Rogers and Bucky “Winter Soldier” Barnes to be canonized as an explicitly romantic pairing in their billion dollar franchise. Be serious. That was never in the cards. I wish we all lived in a world where it was, but we don’t, and it wasn’t. The best we could ever hope for was for Steve and Bucky to get a good, satisfying, in-character ending. And if, in Steve’s case, that would’ve included hints (or more) about a possible rekindling of his, uh, aborted romance with Sharon—then so be it. But we never got any of that. The characters never got any of that. Instead they sent Steve into 1950s suburban hell, literally trapped him behind a white picket fence, and condemned him to a life of passivity and lies, all so he could be married to a woman he barely knew a long time ago in a completely different world; who built and ran a top-to-bottom Hydra-infested organization, but apparently never noticed that there was anything wrong with her life's work. For decades. Great. As for Bucky—well, we’ve all seen the devastatingly grim-faced, utterly lonely, and deeply sad version of him that was presented to us in TFATWS. Happy endings all around, I guess.

So. Am I mad that Steve didn’t get to ride into the rainbow-colored sunset with Bucky at the end of EG? No. Because that was never going to happen anyway. Would I have been mad had he ended up with Sharon or another female character in the 21st century? Also no. Granted, I wouldn’t have been ecstatic about it, but mad? No. But am I mad that Steve ended up with this specific female character under these specific circumstances as presented in canon? Fuck yeah, I am.

The thing is: I personally believe Steve and Peggy to be fundamentally incompatible when it comes to the way they view the world and their respective places in it; their morals and values; their capacity for compassion and empathy; their ability and willingness to compartmentalize, compromise, and collaborate with people and institutions whose ethics and/or politics do not align with their own. I have a real hard time believing that a relationship between these two (or worse, a hasty marriage) could be either happy or long-lasting.

I don’t believe Peggy to be inherently evil, I don’t hate her, I simply think she operates within a different moral framework than Steve (and even genuinely believes it to be a righteous one).² Your mileage may vary, but I personally happen to find that framework reprehensible, even indecent, and ultimately dangerous. After all, over the course of the 20th century, we have seen exactly where that kind of “the ends justify the means” brand of pragmatism leads—over and over again. Not to mention that the people who use this line of argument to defend characters like Peggy (or real-life politicians for that matter) never seem to want to look too closely at who gets to define what "the ends" are in the first place and who decides when they've finally been met.

(Never. The answer is never.)

And to be clear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with depicting, and even centering a narrative around a morally (dark)gray character—oftentimes it’s actually the more interesting option—but you cannot at the same time claim that they are purely good and should be only admired as such when their actions literally tell an entirely different story.

So, no. I will not accept Peggy Carter as the shining aspirational heroine that the MCU so badly wants to sell her to me as—while simultaneously continuing to reveal things that paint an increasingly darker picture of her character. And I will certainly not celebrate seeing one of my favorite characters of all time—whose defining trait was that he couldn't ignore "a situation pointed south"; who used to fight for the little guy and against the establishment; who once said about the very organization that Peggy Carter helped build that it was so corrupt, it all needed to go—rendered morally inert for some hollow happy ending that may as well be a conservative’s wet dream full of false nostalgia for an America that never really existed. I cannot find it in me to be anything less but mad about that.

But that does not make me a misogynist. It does not make me a delusional shipper. It makes me someone who looks at what the MCU has been telling me about Peggy Carter for years now—over and over again—and takes it at its own word.

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¹ If you’ve actually read a a fair number of Stucky(!) fanfics you will have noticed that the reverence afforded to and "page time" devoted to her character and her relationship with Steve is somewhat disproportionate to anything that's backed up by canon—well, up until EG, where she was suddenly reanimated as The Great Love of Steve’s Life—and in my experience, it's highly unusual for any fandom to put so much (mostly) positive attention on another character, let alone a potential love interest that is not part of the endgame ship.

² I also want to emphasize that if you love Peggy and she's your fave: good for you! I genuinely have no beef with you. People can agree to disagree. All I ask for is that we maybe stop willfully ignoring the less savory aspects of her character. You don't need to pretend she's perfect to justify your affection for her. I LOVE Steve, and yet I have no problem conceding that he is FAR from perfect.

#*drops post & runs away* i may regret this but it's my blog and i rant if i want to #i know some people will roll their eyes & i debated posting this at all but i simply had to get it off my chest once and for all.#so there. now i can be free. or something.#also i have no idea what to tag this & i personally find 'anti' tags silly bc why is critical discussion automatically labeled as 'anti'?#but whatever i'll play nice. so i guess:#anti peggy carter #anti steggy #anti endgame #hope that covers it #wading into the dIsCoUrsE

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steveandbuckysdaughter · 4 months

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You know what? I just realized what Peggy’s whole constant inserting in others’ stories reminds me of.

It reminds me of the Y/N povs on TikTok, like, the bad ones.

Not the ones with good editing, characterization and all that jazz, those where the perfect most beautiful and powerful girl who has the same powers as Wanda but stronger and in another color and is somewhat related to Tony or experimented on and has a relationship with either Steve or Bucky or Loki. That’s who she reminds me of.

Because a perfectly healthy, wealthy and respected white girlie with very predictable features having some main avenger’ powers (who casually enough is the only avenger whose storyline is about being a disable poor ass immigrant, but I digress) and being somewhat stronger and better than them, and then going around saving other characters and solving their own arcs really is some Y/N type of shit.

Like, if I told you “random girl who’s a supersoldier and beautiful and amazing and everyone wants to be her gets teleported in another universe as the savior of said world by the most powerful being in the franchise (who is apparently not powerful enough but random girl is)”, would you tell me it’s an actual marvel storyline, or would you think it’s a fanfiction or a pov?

I swear I’m losing my mind over this, it gets funnier every second I think more about it.

#anti peggy carter #mcu critical #what if season 2 #anti what if #what if spoilers #like… how is Peggy the savior instead of literally any other magical avenger?#marvel bffr #Stucky #tagging Stucky bc my people will agree with me

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otp-holic · 10 months

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The Big Dude-Bro aka Marvel keeps watching and erasing Steve and Bucky's relationship, their history, moments... and even Bucky himself.

Don't let them win and SPEAK STUCKY: Create content, reblog content, read fic, read meta, look at old interviews, or show creators some love... but don't let them think we're not here till the end of the line. We are.

#stucky #marvel critic #steve rogers #bucky barnes #anti marvel #i'm tired of reading abour more places where they erase them #that's why i did this silly manip #big brother is watching and rewriting history #dont let them #manip by yours truly #painfully created by me #this is crack #but also true #anty peggy carter

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bedlamsbard · 4 months

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bad sign about CCverse Steve that I, a known Steve girl, have literally no thoughts on him as a character. like...none.

#because he doesn't have an identity outside peggy in this 'verse!#what a disservice to both characters #and honestly framing cc's whole arc about romance is pretty fucked up #just a complete disinterest in engaging with anything interesting that might actually come out of the AU #*or* anything interesting that they could carry over from canon to the AU #or even the very interesting structural differences between the two #bedlam watches the mcu #bedlam watches marvel's what if #(apparently I had a tag for that)#mcu critical #this is a captain carter hateblog

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valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn · 4 months

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Episode 2 of What If Season 2 poked the Peggy hornet’s nest and did exactly what I thought it would.

So, for context, in this reality Yondu actually handed Peter Quill over to Ego when he was supposed to, and within just 6 months Ego was able to corrupt his son into a conqueror, so they invade Earth together. Peggy is director of SHIELD at the time, and she and Howard work together to assemble a proto-Avengers team to stop them. The team consists of Hank Pym, Bill Foster, T’Chaka, Thor, Wendy Lawson (who I think is from Captain Marvel), and… wait for it… the Winter Motherfucking Soldier.

Yes, for real.

And because I know you’re thinking it, the excuse given is that he is in the hands of the Russians during this time, so Peggy and Howard couldn’t possibly have known about it UwU. Anyway, when they see him there’s a super drawn-out moment where they both think they recognize him (and it’s while he still has the mask on, so while this probably wasn’t intentional I actually read that as yet another middle finger to Steve, as Peggy could apparently recognize Bucky even under his disguise while Steve couldn’t). And then, Howard says, I shit you not: “I'd heard the rumors, but even if they’re true, the man we knew is long-gone, Peg, and we have bigger fish to fry.” And then later in the episode, with no segway from that to this, there’s a scene where they’re all together and the Winter Soldier has his mask off, and actually speaks.

So, at least in this universe, Howard and Peggy are 100% aware that Bucky Barnes is in fact the Winter Soldier. Later on in the episode Howard attempts to get through to him, but only when it becomes a necessity to save the world (because he is about to kill Peter Quill while Hank is trying to convince him to turn on Ego), but it’s still pretty damning. And then at the end of the episode, rather than trying to rehabilitate him, they just let him go. Like, it’s not the same situation as Steve where he was out cold and unable to do anything, they could have taken Bucky in and tried to break his programming, but they didn’t. It’s left ambiguous what will happen to him after that, so it’s not like they sent him back to Hydra, but Hydra is still out there in this universe, so my hopes aren’t high.

TLDR; this episode attempts to handwave away the very strong possibility that the Howard and Peggy of the Prime Timeline knew what was happening to Bucky, but in doing so unintentionally made them look so much worse.

I don't... I can't even... WTF did I just read? (not you of course, I mean, what is wrong with Marvel?) 🤦‍♀️

So they use Bucky while brainwashed and/or still with Hydra's BS in his mind, and they don't even care to help him out after? They see a victim and they use him and then turn away from him, not caring about his well-being? And, I assume, Howard and Lady Brexit are still framed as good guys? And how are they any better than Hydra in that story?! The absolute nerve...

Once I read the spoilers a few days ago and saw they were going to have her as Director of SHIELD, I just knew they were going to absolve her of everything and never have her answer for any of her actions. And of course the only one who says he had "heard rumours" was Howard, not her. She's an angelic glorious being incapable of doing anything wrong. What in the absolute narrative protection is this...

Howard and Miss Brexit couldn't possibly know about Bucky... yeah, right. Except for the fact that they knew what Zola had done, because Steve told them, and they still willingly worked alongside him, even gave him a nickname. Oh Arnie, my beloved, wasn't it fun when you tortured Steve's best friend? Let's have some beer. I don't see how Miss "I shoot innocents when I'm jealous" Brexit could have recognized Bucky considering she didn't give a damn about him after Steve risked his own life against her wishes to save him, but apparently in this she can tell who he is even with a mask on? Damn girl, did you inject the serum in him yourself?

And I'm sorry but what is this... “I'd heard the rumors, but even if they’re true, the man we knew is long gone.” Excuse me? Oh, good enough to use but not good enough to save? How is the everloving hell is that even a line?! Oh my god, Marvel, just say you hate Bucky and go. I don't get it, what, he's the guy who ruins their beloved Steggy nonsense and they can't help themselves, they have to drag him through the mud for daring to be more important to Steve than Miss Brexit here? (And I say that as a non-shipper but holy crap, this is nuts.)

Not even in another timeline are these two somewhat redeemable. And Bucky is fucked up no matter what. Typical.

So the Infinity Saga had Stark as their golden boy and now it's Agent Brexit's time to shine... Will the Hero Cinematic Universe ever provide any heroes of narrative protection or are they going to choose the bad ones only? Oh, you're a soldier kidnapped, tortured and brainwashed? Go ahead and make amends, you monster. Oh, you willingly worked for the TVA and tortured and killed because you wanted to? Poor you, let us frame you as good and pat you on the back, you sweet thing.

Wow, I got mad in this one. Sorry. I have the Bucky feels right now 😜😂

#I'm so happy I'm not watching this series #anti peggy carter #mcu critical #what if spoilers #pro bucky barnes

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gay-jewish-bucky · 11 months

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As much as I'm glad Daniel Sousa got away from Peggy because he deserved so much better than her, I won't ever forgive Marvel Studios for proving Agent Krzeminski's ableist, misogynistic ass right when he said, "No girl is gonna trade in a red, white, and blue shield for an aluminum crutch."

What a great message to send to disabled people in the audience, "You are only ever good enough to be the second choice to an abled person, you don't deserve a have a happy ending."

#marvel #mcu #anti marvel #anti mcu #marvel critical #mcu critical #fandom ableism #anti peggy #anti peggy carter #daniel sousa #anti agent carter #agent carter critical #anti endgame #endgame critical #i hate them #i hate them i hate them i hate them

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comicsiswild · 3 months

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Avengers Forever (2021) #14

#avengers forever #avengers #captain america #captain carter #peggy carter #those are all steves #steve rogers #steve criticality #marvel #marvel comics #doctor doom

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florida3exclamationpoints · 9 months

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I think Peggy and Daniel are really cute together I just can't hardcore ship them bc all that energy is stored in steggy. I'd be happy if they said Daniel was Peggy's husband in the main timeline. But it's so wild to me that Daniel ended up with Daisy. And I LIKE it?? Like. If you had told me in 2016 when I started watching marvel.... when I had just discovered my love for Peggy Carter and Daisy Johnson.... when I was watching AC and AoS for the first time..... that AoS would end with Daisy Johnson in an endgame canon committed relationship with Daniel Sousa (introduced in the last season which was shorter than usual already so there was not much time to develop it) ?????? And that I would Love it????? That is the fakest sounding thing they could've done and they pulled it off and I still think about how wild it is daily

#oh and its not like i just went along with whatever they said !!#ive had many critiques of aos and i was veryyyyy worried about the last season #i actually. kinda hated a lot of it as it was airing until we got to the end #bc of the time travel misunderstanding. and i dont like how they disrespected peggy but that's another conversation #but i was fully ready to hate it i was soooo critical of every second of it #and then???? they made me love it?????? they pulled a crack ship out of nowhere and said You Will Ship It #and i was like YEAH I WILL!!!!!!!#daniel sousa #daisy johnson #peggy carter #agent carter #agents of shield #aos #peggysous #dousy #marvel

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amarriageoftrueminds · 3 months

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Really, how hard was it for the directors to hire an American blonde actress to play the comics version of Peggy Carter??? Why hire a British actress who acts ao snobby irl??? Why couldn't they keep Peggy's comic version appearance and make her the awesome American rebel that she is? Why make Peggy a snobby British woman who acts like she's better than everyone else, and she's possibly a Hydra spy? I. Just. Don't. Get. It. 😕

There are several possible reasons...

Could be Christopher Markus having an English wife who looks exactly like Hayley Atwell, and wanting to do a creepy Matthew-Vaughn style 'putting his wife in a movie she doesn't belong in' roleplay. Could be Joss Whedon's sad Colonial/Upper Class English fetish. Could be that the director was involved with Indiana Jones movies where the trope of the sexy Nazi babe is a standard, and he isn't as creatively original as Steven Spielberg. Could be someone higher up the chain has a Mary Poppins kink and insisted on swapping in the bossy nannyish English love interest over all the other American love interests Steve has had in the comics (including brunettes!)

None of which justify forcing the (in my opinion) quite sexless Captain America story into a compulsorily-heterosexual shaped hole. That story was built to be a Band of Brothers tale, not Casablanca. It needed to be that.

Which is why CATWS works better, emotionally speaking, than CATFA. Because CATFA expects you to expend emotional energy on the potential-straight-romance-lost plot... when a lifelong best friend whom Steve went to war for just died for him. A film can only carry so much emotion before it collapses under its own weight.

CATWS didn't have that problem. In fact, it would've been even more moving if they'd cut the pointless Peggy schmaltz scene for another Bucky or Steve-and-Bucky-in-flashback scene, as the original script intended. Or better yet, had another 'Steve actually calls out the other white woman for her actions' scene!

#toAyourQ #dat's me #hey nonny #antipeggy #antisteggy #cynthia glass #p*ggy meta #mcu critical #steggy is hydra trash party #meta #mcu meta #other notes: I've never been able to substantiate it but I've always suspected that comics peggy...#was inspired by real-life american spy heroine virginia hall who (like her) was undercover in nazi-occupied france #virginia had a peg leg = peggy from virginia #I've never been able to prove it but it seemed like too much of a coincidence!#and the entire reason WHY peggy's surname is carter is because the carter family are important in virginia's history #calling an english character (of the wrong class) carter is an ignorant nonsensical choice #it's also dumb that they label 'appreciating steve BEFORE serum' as the ultimate sign of a special relationship...#but then pair steve off with a character who barely knew him at all before serum in the comics...#when OTHER comics had pre-serum steve given a whole ass fiancee??#they REALLY wanted cynthia glass in it 🙄#yet each man queues the thing he loves

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