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I’ve contemplated a lot about why Luke was the sort of person that Anakin felt inspired enough to turn his back on Sidious and the dark side for, while Padme, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka weren’t.
While Anakin does become a hypocrite who no one was obligated to forgive after he turned dark, regardless of his tragic circumstances and compromised agency, I think Luke was the one who finally inspired him to turn back because, in spite of as “above it all” as Obi-Wan, Padme, and even Ahsoka wanted to believe they were, they still had many of the same issues Anakin developed of feeling pressured to be people pleasers to corrupt authority figures, expectations, and rules that they knew were wrong out of fear of the unknown under compromised agency, moral hypocrisy, pride, manipulative tactics, selfishness, and/or an exceedingly vengeful side in their anger that they were not willing to pull back on when they dueled him or other enemies that piss him off.
Padme, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka loved Anakin, but they were also prideful, self-centered, and terrified people who were too afraid to admit that their methods flawed, too afraid to take a stand against the standards of these broken systems they were born into, too afraid to admit they were wrong, too afraid to take risks to do better, and too afraid to admit that they weren’t as “above it all” as they pretended to be.
Luke Skywalker being Anakin’s son is definitely one of the influencing factors that inspires him to turn back to the light. However, it’s also because Luke is self-accepting of his bad decisions, flaws, and mistakes. He’s aware that the old Jedi Order was deeply flawed, hypocritical, and misguided, in spite of their good intentions. He’s unwilling to stoop to the same level as his enemies. He won’t let himself get carried away with baiting his father into a fight when he gets angry, and start making justifications of how he’s “right” just because he has good intentions, just because he was fucked with first, just because he’s not a Sith, or just because it’s “too dangerous” to take a risk to be honest, kind, and offer one of his enemies (his father) a better opportunity when he sees that he really is also a victim of Sidious who is still struggling against his darker instincts and searching for freedom and love from family. He refuses to enable Anakin’s slave mentality and ultimately refuses to let his father believe that “Anakin Skywalker is dead.”
This isn’t saying that Anakin is an innocent, that Luke was obligated to forgive him, or that his victims didn’t have valid reasons to fear him and resent him. Of course, they did. The point is that in those little moments where he tries to reach out to Ahsoka, Padme, and Obi-Wan about being unhappy with the Jedi and keeping secrets of his marriage before going dark, backs off, says “Don’t make me destroy you,” or lets them go, they all had an opportunity to refuse to further perpetuate the cycle of abuse by acting in anger and vengeance. They could have refused to encourage his sense of compromised agency. They could have broken the cycle of system sting abuse, crime, and oppression with Anakin in those instances by being the bigger person.
Instead Padme and Obi-Wan encouraged him to continue to stay with the Jedi and/or keep his marriage secret when they knew their systems were corrupt, and knew he was becoming increasingly emotionally/mentally unstable and unhappy in ways that made him a danger to himself and those around him out of fear of the unknown by pretending that he would just get better if they told him he would when he tried to say otherwise.
Instead, Ahsoka ended up declaring that she’d “avenge her master” when he refused to join her right away and told her “Anakin Skywalker is dead because he destroyed him.”
Instead, Obi-Wan egged him on into a duel on Mustafar by using Padme as bait, and refused to back off after getting him to let go of Padme from his reckless blind rage/paranoia force choke before killing her when he thought she brought Obi-Wan to kill him and even got him to a point where he could tell Obi-Wan “Don’t make me kill you.” When Anakin cornered him again 10 years later for revenge that he clearly didn’t want as much as he had convinced himself he did because he still cared about Obi-Wan deep down, tells Obi-Wan “I destroyed Anakin Skywalker, not you,” and even gives Obi-Wan a chance to run away, Obi-Wan allows Anakin to continue to believe that Anakin is dead, convinces himself that he is, and he runs away to compartmentalize his own guilt over how he mistreated Anakin.
Instead, another ten years later, Obi-Wan more or less encourages Anakin/Vader to kill him by just standing there after confronting him in A New Hope, and saying “I’ll become more powerful than you can ever imagine.”
So the reason as to why Anakin can’t be inspired to atone or do better by Ahsoka, Padme, or Obi-Wan isn’t just because he’s a deeply flawed person. It’s because they are too, they live in denial of it, and let him live in denial of it, too.
#Padme Amidala was deeply flawed#Anakin was deeply flawed#Ahsoka was deeply flawed#obi wan was deeply flawed#and they all lived in denial of just how deeply broken and flawed they all were and kept encouraging Anakin to pretend like he was okay#sacrificing his better instincts and happiness to try to conform to these broken systems that they all knew were messed up out of fear#until he finally stopped trying to fight back and became a serious problem for their well-being out of fear of these corrupt authorities too#when he couldn’t get anyone to listen when he DID try to reach out for emotional support and escape to fight back#like in spite of telling them that ‘Anakin Skywalker is dead’ are obi-wan Ahsoka and Luke willing to let him believe that or not?#when he tells obi-wan and Luke ‘don’t make me destroy you’ hesitated to kill them or gives them a chance to reason with him or walk away#are they going to run away act defensively or stoop to his level and try to kill him when he’s hesitating and being vulnerable?#when he gives obi wan ahsoka and Luke a chance to back off in their duels as vader are they going to fight run away or try to reason?#when he tells Ahsoka revenge is not the Jedi way is she going to agree that vengeance is bad or stoop to his level?#it’s because Anakin is desperately looking for someone who is good and self-aware enough to realize that both sides are messed up#and he can feel safe just being the best version of himself rather than throwing away his moral integrity and sense of self to conform#it’s like he’s testing people he cares about to see if they will encourage him to break the cycle of toxicity in the galaxy#to realize that both the old Jedi/Republic and Sith/Empire were deeply fucked up governments and institutions#or continue to enable and perpetuate it themselves#to not stoop to his level and enable or perpetuate terrible behaviors choices or crimes ‘for good’ fear of the unknown or revenge#to these broken systems that enable and perpetuate systematic abuse of power crime and vengeance ‘for the greater good’ out of fear#pt jedi critical#anti jedi apologists#anakin skywalker#darth vader#luke skywalker#Luke was the only one who could inspire Anakin to redeem himself because he was the only one who didn’t get caught up in the cycle himself#and the only one who refused to let his father believe that ‘Anakin was dead’
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Star Wars is really all about how you deal with family members who are kind of shitty. and you should just let qui gon light up in his deader than you old man corner and try to remember the good times fondly and that he was trying
no literally star wars is about how you confront intergenerational trauma it’s about having loved someone who hurt you deeply and continuing to love them despite that it’s about trying to untangle the messy web of complex hurts passed from master to apprentice and parent to child and it’s about understanding that we hurt each other the way we’ve been hurt ourselves
#qui gon was DEEPLY flawed but that’s the POINT#he is so similar to and different from dooku#in the ways that obi wan is similar to and different from HIM#but that doesn’t mean he didn’t care! it doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying!#it just means that he hadn’t yet figured it out#something something no one is beyond rehabilitation#but there’s a very specific tragedy in rehabilitation that never comes to be#not because the person refused it#but because they never had the right opportunity#star wars#asks#anon
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frankly i think if you hate qui-gon for his actions in ja you simply do not have very good reading comprehension skills that man is not the abuser many of you make him out to be. how are yall letting a series for actual children beat ur ass like that
#sree.txt#star wars#jedi apprentice#jude watson; repeatedly: qui-gon is COMPASSIONATE and tries to understand owk's pov and is himself#in the process of healing from the trauma of a massive hurt#& obi-wan doesn't hold that against him nor does anyone else. he is TRYING he cares deeply for obi-wan he's just human and flawed#you idiots: hes abusive and cruel and harsh and mean#no?? where are you getting this from. every other description of his interactions w obi-wan involves the word ''warm'' or ''kind''#i mean to be clear i'm not all the way through the series yet but melida/daan seems to be to many of you qgj's worst offense#and i did finish both of the books set there#i know theres a lot of people who find him leaving babywan behind unforgivable#however have you considered that you're wrong. neither of them were in the wrong for m/d and thats what makes it compelling tyvm#''waa waa he left a 13yo in a war zone'' how old is the series's target audience. quickly. who is this being written for#qui-gon jinn#obi-wan kenobi#paragraph tags
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One of the key features of Obi Wan and Anakin is that they are family in an un-idealized way- they are two people who don't always succeed at being perfect but love each other and it's all very human and …normal, right up until it isn't. They try to communicate, but don't always quite meet the mark. They care deeply, but aren't always the absolute perfect fit for the role. Frequently their flaws cause little issues, but aren't evil or anything, just… the day to day friction of life. These are two people who spent ten years living in each other's pockets, at precisely the age for anakin that you are are noticing that your parent is human while having amplified emotions and being very annoying yourself. It's all just very grounded.
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I'm a different anon, but your answer to that person, about how we all have our own perspectives and such, got me curious if you wanted to talk about your favorite things about Anakin? I really like how he has this earnest passion in everything he says and does, no matter what the consequences are. He lets his instincts and heart influence what actions he takes. I think you could say the same about Obi-Wan too to a degree, but I think Obi-Wan errs to keeping his emotions/intentions concealed until he has the best advantage he can get. And I think that this sort of "two sides of the same coin" contrast between them is part of what makes the ship appealing. Anyway, yeah, I wanted to know what you enjoy about Anakin ^^ And that other anon too, if they want to send another ask about their feelings/thoughts
Oh man, what a question. You've activated my trap card. Anakin Skywalker is possibly my favorite character of all time. It's endlessly fascinating to read stories about him, and writing him allows me to articulate the messy, painful, thwarted parts of myself. He's half my brain, and Obi-Wan is the other half, and resolving their differences brings me deep catharsis.
Everything you said about him is so true, his earnest passion is so deeply appealing. Obi-Wan called him passionate, fearless, forthright, and he is the embodiment of those traits, but he's flawed too, and flawed in ways I feel in my bones, and regrets the same things that I regret. He's so beautiful and so damned, a fallen and risen angel, you know?
Stover wrote that the brightest light casts the darkest shadow. He ends up at just the nadir of cruelty and violence, but he begins from a place of pure generosity and light. His intentions were so good, and he was so impossibly brave. It seems like arrogance, that cocky assurance of what he was capable of, but the universe bends around him to fit his will.
He's more than human, he's half-divine, a mirror and barometer of the entire galaxy's mood. His life is coextensive with the rise and fall of an empire, his personal tragedy from greed is both archetypal and relatable, and he is the scaffolding the narrative rests inside. Luke is the hero of the story but Anakin is the embodiment of the world he strives against.
He is painfully earnest and a liar, a villain and a victim, naive and jaded, brilliant but foolish, perfect and deeply flawed. It's so easy for me to understand why he was so beloved. He's absolutely the other side of Obi-Wan's coin, the heart to Obi-Wan's head, the passion to his reason, the instinct to his experience. The Team together is one complete and fully realized being, separation means incompleteness and disaster.
Vader is just one of the most iconic villains of all time, and Lucas defied all expectations in the prequels. He used his character to tell a cautionary tale about greed rather than give excuses for why he became such a monster. He is intentionally shown to be so generous and kind as a boy, handsome and daring as a man, with infinite wasted potential for good, it's incredible.
Idk man, I like him and I love him, I hate him and I want him; he's one of the best characters of the modern age.
#anakin skywalker#darth vader#long post#sorry#i really do mean trap card#hayden is also gorgeous. that is part of it. but it will keep my extolling of his physical virtues to dirty fanfic lol#sw
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Can we talk about the fact that when obi wan was listing off the qualities Leia got from Anakin he listed the ones that were so commonly seen as problems to the Jedi. To them he was too outspoken, too reckless, and felt too deeply. But not to obi wan. He names the qualities that made padmé fall in love with Anakin in the first place and the qualities that always made him so proud. He sees Anakin as passionate because he loves deeply and hard, not because he was too attached. He calls him fearless because he was ready to do anything to help others, not because he was reckless. And he sees him as forthright because he stood for what he believed, always, not because he was outspoken or out of place. Obi wan doesn't see these qualities as flaws, but gifts and calls them that to Leia so she knows that they aren't to be ashamed of and that she should be as proud of those qualities as Anakin was, and I think that's so beautiful.
#disney this is my hill and i will die on it#obi wan finally accepted that anakin was dead so he keeps him alive in memory#obi wan needs a hug#uncle obi wan#obi wan kenobi#anakin skywalker#leia organa#padme amidala#padme naberrie#obi wan show#obi wan series#obi wan and anakin#star wars
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Star Wars fandom is so interesting to lurk in because it's so divisive in a way I haven't experienced before- specifically in the way people interpret the text of the media?
Like I walked away from watching the OG Trilogy understanding that the Jedi philosophy was deeply flawed, that it was Luke's attachment to and love for his friends and father that saved the day. Everything Yoda and Obi-wan tried to say was best for Luke was wrong. He needed his friends and his father by his side to truly end the threat of the empire, not cast his friends aside and kill his father for the greater good.
#like are we just forgetting the fact that its when luke STOPS trying to kill his dad and begs him for help that makes vader turn on palps?#rook babble#the jedi are deeply flawed and ill go into why that matters in another post#at some point anyways
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The thing about Luke is that his actions are driven by personal affection and relationships just as much as it's driven by a moral cause. When he needed to leave Tatooine he refuses bc he couldn't leave his aunt and uncle. He decides to become a Jedi to follow in his father's footsteps. He sincerely believes in and follows Obi-Wan Kenobi and is devastated when he dies; when he learns the truth about Vader he decides to turn him to the light side instead of killing him.
He's decisive in his compassion and love - he doesn't drag his feet trying to decide if it's the right thing, he just goes where his heart leads, and he cares very deeply about the people he meets and saves and befriends - that was the fatal flaw that led to the downfall of anakin, yet luke, free from palpatine's influence, free to realize himself on his own time, doesn't base his whole sense of self on another person. Unlike anakin, who relied so much on other people to make himself whole, luke becomes an individual before he leaves his nest, before he experiences loss. And that's the difference; Luke doesn't see himself as needing other people to be good. He's a person on his own right. He doesn't question, what am I without my loved ones? He'd still be luke.
And then he meets darth vader, who needs someone believing in him to be whole, and Vader meets luke, who has an abundance of love to give. It's a miraculous turn of events that leads to palpatine's fall down the reactor shaft, but it happens anyway. And Luke buries his father, but he still carries on - because he's still luke, after that loss. And that's the person that resurrects the jedi order, a person driven by personal affections; a person who experienced firsthand what belief in a person can do. Of course he'd change the jedi teachings in some ways. Not because the old jedi way were wrong, but because that's how he interprets the light side.
That's how luke becomes first of the new jedi; by interweaving his own attachments and affections and compassion into the light side.
#where was i going with this? anyway heres this word vomit#byeeeee#luke skywalker#star wars#star wars meta#my ramblings
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no because anakin was never dealt with a winning anything, my dude spent years as a slave’s kid working in the junk shop building droids as a form of fun.
i always enjoy the whole “Anakin just expected Obi-wan and Padmé to trust and listen to him?? Asshole” discourse because like… yeah??
not trying to self insert here but as a mentally I’ll individual 🫡 who in a fit of mania sometimes believes they are absolutely, 100% right and has the irrational thinking of; “im right, and you love me, you’re the person I love most, you should get it” & is totally irrationally emotional when they DONT, yeah… I GET THAT SIR!!
Even if it’s completely understandable, deep down I know they’re not at fault for not getting my own emotions, I’m in control of those — not others. I know this. Still, when my partner says something that goes against me it’s like nails against chalkboards sometimes
Again, when looking at Anakin he had nothing. He was a slave all his life, just to a different master each time. on Tatooine, to the Jedi/code, Palpatine and even to the Darth vader suit, he is never of his own free will. It was Qui-gon’s choice to win Anakin, to take him from his mother and home to what he thought would be a better life. granted it is, but he also finds himself isolated from what is imo what is supposed to be his “placeholder family”
MORE IMPORTANTLY Padmé is the love of his life, telling him that what he thinks they need, what he’s done for her and their family etc to be at peace/alive was actually WRONG!! BAD!! All meanwhile he doesn’t have any of his support at his side; Rex is off with ahsoka, obi-wan is fighting grievous on utpau meanwhile Palpatine has puppy Anakin at his every whim and call ((lets not forget that Palpatine had to have been grooming Anakin from a relatively young age)) They don’t get it, they didn’t see Padmé die before their very eyes, they don’t know what’s waiting them. Anakin is trying to save his family. Obi-Wan going against him is salt in the wound, even if Anakin himself knows it’s wrong and against the code and just completely evil.
I mean, Padmé FORGAVE him for the whole tusken massacre smh is it such a stretch to believe she would stand by his side as he waged war against the galaxy? i mean… isn’t that what love is…..? selfish, passionate, narcissistic, messy? she herself is a politician who often prioritized Anakin over her own duties I bet my man expected some “if you have a body in your trunk I’ll bring the shovel” type beat which also, i reiterate, WHY WOULDN’T HE when his wife forgave him for mass genocide, children included?,
he is emotionally/mentally fragile, he just recently slew younglings and killed Mace — you think this mf is thinking logically? Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt; he was a mess throughout the series, not once did he ever have his feet on the ground. He isn’t suddenly going to make the “right” decision, especially if it means sacrificing his loved ones. He’s an extremely flawed character, stop expecting him to make the right call.
The blocks of Anakin’s character have been set up to fall, Obi-Wan and Padmé are two of his most beloved relationships aside from his MOTHER that are completely dogging on his only hope of SAVING THEM. Anakin was never simply, “you have to do what I say or else I’ll get upset!” that’s a disrespect to his character — he can think logically. He isn’t a child. He is strategic, effective, in tcw he is the most efficient victorious warrior making Palpatine’s efforts look even better as leader of the republic. He builds droids from the time he is a young child all throughout his formative - adult years to the extent where knows how to understand their bleep bloops.
Anakin is flawed deeply, he was doomed from the get-go, never had a chance. His feelings are complex and deep and he questions the faith he swore to follow/protect. His character is so interesting to me and I have such a difficult time depicting the raw duality of man he wears on his shoulders everyday. Our desire to do good, yet to be evil; our desire to be unselfish, yet we are selfish.
This beautiful, scarred, monstrous mosaic of a man who from the very beginning, had a huge amount of pressure on him was meant to be so horribly dismantled. What other choice did he have? He is the chosen one, how could he be wrong? How could his idea of saving his family be any less honourable than the Jedi of the Galaxy?
He isn’t simply angry at them for not agreeing with him/falling with him, he feels betrayed. Personally. Obi-Wan and Padmé are pieces of Anakin, people that he loved so fiercely he labeled them as his enemies once they hurt him, he is too far gone to give them any semblance of second chances
anyways yep happy Thursday guys
#star wars#rambling#holy shit I wrote this over 8 hours#rambles#ooc#hc#headcanon#headcanons#obi wan kenobi#anakin skywalker#padme amidala#obikin#anidala#writing#brain go brrrr#brain go brr#the clone wars#revenge of the Sith#being wistful#phantom menace#star wars feels#star wars headcanons#Star Wars headcanon#star wars rots#star wars the clone wars#talking 2 myself#it’s ok don’t mind me#im fine#like fine when ur running on 5 hours sleep#and the bipolar mania sits in in waves of up and down
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Does anyone have any fic recs where Anakin realizes Qui Gon is deeply flawed?
Also I have incredibly vivid dreams and sometimes I dream I’ve read a fic that doesn’t exist. Did I invent this or did I just lose this: Darth Vader tried to prove everything would have been better if Obi Wan had died and Qui Gon had raised him. He ran it through some Force doohickey to project different timelines, and starts angrily/frantically flipping through them when he sees how much worse it is if Qui Gon raises Anakin.
I remember a cave of kyber crystals being by very important and each alternate timeline reflecting off a different angle of the crystals.
I can’t find it and I’m starting to suspect my subconscious once again had me dream that I was on my laptop reading AO3, a sure sign I do it way too flipping often given that I’ve had multiples of these types of dreams. If I didn’t dream it I want to read it again very badly lol
#fic rec#fic search#Star Wars#obi wan kenobi#darth vader#qui gon jinn#Qui Gon jinn’s a+ parenting#anakin skywalker
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Just saw a comparison between Sabine/Ezra and Obitine as ships and like. There are quite literally zero similarities between these ships besides the male character in the ship being a Jedi and the female character in the ship being a Mandalorian.
Sabine and Satine, despite the unfortunate similarity in their names, are nowhere near even being similar characters. Sabine, obviously, is very much not a pacifist. Sabine also appears to actually be competent at the things the show tells us she is competent at, recognizes when she probably shouldn't be a leader because she just doesn't have the qualifications for it, and is allowed to have flaws that she can grow past. Satine manages to be completely and insanely incompetent at everything the show says she is very good at, is a leader despite seeming to be pretty shit at it, and never has any of her flaws acknowledged so they come across less as intentional flaws to make her more nuanced and more like just horrifically bad writing and she never gets to grow at all.
Obi-Wan and Ezra DO have more similarities, primarily because both of them follow the same general code with similar values and priorities due to Ezra having learned from Kanan who is passing on the same values Obi-Wan would have grown up with.
But Ezra's dynamic with Sabine is so wildly different from Obi-Wan's with Satine that it isn't even funny.
Obi-Wan and Satine have zero chemistry, all they do is take pot shots at each other mean-spiritedly and never end up being able to understand each other when they're not facing a life or death situation. What little romance they manage to have in their scenes is melodramatic and generally inappropriate to the situation they are in and they're never both invested in the romance at the same time (for example, Satine tries to have this big moment with a romantic confession that Obi-Wan actively tries to argue her out of because holy hell is this not the time for it). They also seem to just actively make each other worse. Satine seems to have far more understanding and tolerance towards Padme's views and priorities than she ever does towards Obi-Wan's, despite Padme and Obi-Wan having similar positions. Obi-Wan gets incredibly unprofessional in front of a lot of important political people just to argue with Satine and gets nearly misogynistic towards her.
By comparison, Ezra and Sabine, whether you view them romantically or not, actively make each other better. Yes, they tease each other. Yes, they sometimes disagree and argue. But there's never that feeling that they just don't like each other or can't truly understand the other person's feelings and are unwilling to even try. They always come back to talk things out and work to be better with each other afterwards. Both are allowed to be wrong and have to admit to as much. They never truly have any big romantic moments with each other since most of the "romance" that's more explicit exists in earlier seasons with Ezra being very awkward around Sabine and Sabine gently rebuffing or ignoring him when that happens, but they have big emotional moments together where they seem so in sync with each other and completely on the same page. Again, regardless of whether you view that as romantic or not, it's undeniable that Ezra and Sabine have a very strong, deep connection to each other that allows them to work as a really good team.
Comparing Ezra and Sabine as a ship to Obitine is really the most skin deep of comparisons you could possibly make. Obitine make each other SO miserable if they have to spend more than about 10 minutes together. Ezra and Sabine are family who chose each other, in whatever way you choose to view that. They make each other happy, they make each other better, they understand each other so deeply and respect each other's values and priorities even if they aren't the same.
#ezra bridger#sabine wren#ezra x sabine#star wars#star wars rebels#swr#anti satine#obitine critical#anti obitine#anti satine kryze#satine critical#satine kryze critical
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Why do you care about Vader's feelings so much? He doesn't deserve dignity. I hope Lucasfilm makes a story where he's captured by the Rebellion and brutally tortured until he's crying for Shmi. They'll use force suppressing devices and make him feel like the worthless slave he is
I care because Star Wars is primarily Anakin’s story, whether you like it or not. I care because Luke’s entire character arc in the OT films is pointless if Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda were always meant to be the perfect mentors, who did nothing wrong. I care, not just about Anakin’s feelings, but the feelings of every other Jedi recruit who had serious issues with the way the old Jedi Order and Republic operated.
I care, because if the Jedi are supposed to be the good guys, in spite of their flaws, then we should ultimately be rooting for them to rise again with Luke Skywalker. Because Anakin’s arc and feelings in the prequels are no longer treated as valid in the Disney era of Star Wars, that means Obi-Wan and Yoda are treated as being completely right all along, and the new Jedi Order cannot grow with Luke Skywalker in the current canon. The same bad choices and mistakes keep being made in the current canon because he follows his blatantly misguided predecessors, which was not implied at the end of the OT movies at all. While I would never agree that mass murder/genocide is the answer to deal with stopping them, because the current canon narrative ignores all the serious issues Anakin and his predecessors had, at least in part, because of the blatant corruption within the Order and Republic they grew up amongst, I’m also not too thrilled that Luke rebuilt the Order because he’s repeating all of their misguided choices and practices in current canon as a result.
#anti disney star wars#Star Wars anon#why do I care about Anakin’s feelings?#because the current canon writers chose not to treat the criticisms and issues that others had with the old Jedi and republic as valid#and as a result it’s not really a triumph for Luke to have rebuilt the Jedi order in canon#because he’s just a carbon copy of obi wan and Yoda in Disney wars#so he keeps making the same mistakes and the Order fails again#except now it’s not really a tragedy anymore but a disappointment#because we were previously given the impression that luke was supposed to know better than his predecessors#since he got the healthy childhood and upbringing that they never did before becoming a Jedi#anakin skywalker#darth vader#luke skywalker#obi wan kenobi critical#yoda critical#I mean it’s not really me being against their characters#they are canonically deeply flawed#but because Disney refuses to acknowledge that Anakin and many of their recruits had valid issues with their treatment in the order#there is no longer a point in Anakin dying and Luke rebuilding it because he just goes on to make the same mistakes#it doesn’t mean they ever deserved mass murder to be stopped or eliminated#but why should I be rooting for Luke to rebuild the Order when it has all the same issues as the one that helped fuck up his father?#pt star wars#ot star wars#jedi council fuckery
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I would like to request anakin with a highly sensitive reader :) Like very emotional!
Thanks for the request!
Warnings: Yandere themes
Some people might think an emotional darling would be difficult for Anakin considering his story and his personality, but an emotional darling would be easy for him.
Yes, Anakin Skywalker is known to be blunt, sarcastic, and cocky to everyone who meets him. He's reckless and impatient more often than not.
However, when it comes to those he cares about, Anakin Skywalker is also known to be gentle and kind.
That's always been his fatal flaw. He cares deeply for those closest to him. Even in canon, we see this with people like Obi-Wan and Padme.
So when he grows obsessed with you, being loving and kind to you is practically second nature. It doesn't matter who you are, this guy is whipped for you. He's willing to burn the universe to ensure you're happy and safe.
Sometimes he might accidentally upset you. He's still Anakin. He's sarcastic and reckless and said sarcasm and recklessness have the capacity to make you upset.
He doesn't really think before he says or does things. He doesn't stop to think if it'll hurt others' feelings or get himself hurt too, and most of the time he's okay with that. He does it first and apologizes later.
And that can be true for you as well. If he thinks it's in your best interest (like kidnapping you), he'll do it even if you're not happy because of it.
However, when it comes to something like one of his stupid remarks or reckless behavior upsetting you, Anakin's fully willing to tone those habits down. He hates the idea of causing you pain.
But when it comes to others? They don't have much of a chance if they hurt you. They can apologize and try to rectify their mistake, and he might not start a fight.
As soon as he turns to the dark side, his lack of mercy becomes even worse.
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Sorry to message again, but I loved your answer to my ask so much, now I’d love a follow up to how post-ROTJ luke acts once he decides to get rid of the no attachment rule and pursue you 😅
Please don't apologizeeee, I'm having a great time with this!!!! I'm so happy to (hopefully) make you happy with this as well🤠
• it differs from person to person of course but I, for one, am not exactly enthusiastic about the Jedi's no-attachment-rule
• and Luke isn't either
• to leave behind everyone he deeply cares for would pretty much mean to leave behind a big part that defines him
• one of Luke's biggest strengths IS the way he loves and how he is able to see the good in people, no matter what
• it's how he defeated Palpatine and saved his father
• so naturally he struggles a lot with the concept, especially when it comes to you
• on one hand he really wants to honor and correctly carry on a thousand year old legacy, ask well as respecting Obi-Wan's and Yoda's teachings
• on the other hand he is aware of the many flaws they had and has his own ideas and thoughts to add
• I like to think that in building his new Jedi Academy, Luke overhauls a lot of what was before to make it fit with his own beliefs and experiences
• he won't stray too far away from the old code but recognizes that much of it can be rather harmful too
• though this is a process and especially in the early stages, Luke finds himself yearning for something to hold on to, to lead him in his new quest
• even if that means turning a blind eye to his blooming feelings for you
• this, he will later realize, not only hurts himself but you as well
• stuck deeply in his thoughts and with a guilty conscience, neither does he notice the ways in which you look at him
• it aches you deeply, to see him so conflicted when before he was acting so differently towards you
• at the same time you respect that he needs his time and space to figure things out for himself
• you too spend a lot of time thinking and re thinking about the no-attachment-rule and what it means for your life
• (and are ready to immediately throw it out of the window should Luke decide to return your feelings)
• possibly you view the old Jedi code in a more critical light than Luke does and that's what rather often leads to heated discussions that you can't help but take to heart
• at this time you are still very much unaware about what has been going on though
• Luke does not want to drag you into his personal struggle so he doesn't tell you anything at first
• the only thing you notice is the way he's rather hot and cold with you, often leaving you in confusion
• one time he's charming and flirty, making you blush and your heart race
• the next day, however, he suddenly acts as if none of that ever happened and with time you grow really frustrated
• to you it seems like he's playing with your feelings
• but how are supposed to know that he's trying to do the opposite?
• (please cut him some slack, he's doing the best he can)
• Luke often lies awake at night, thinking about you, contemplating what it is that's leaving him so conflicted
• again and again he vows to not let you too close to him and his heart, deciding it's for the best
• he truly thinks he's doing the both of you a favor, even while your confused and pleading eyes make him want to cry
• at the same time he can't stop himself from sharing exciting news with you, can't help making you laugh and can't ignore how deeply he enjoys to just be around you
• after a while of this going on, you corner him during a quiet moment, demanding to know what the hell he thinks he is doing
• no matter how blinded by love you may be, you won't have him treat you this way
• Luke is horrified by what he hears, he hadn't realized how erratic and hurtful his behavior had become
• he was so convinced he had been fighting his battles in silence and without the knowledge of those around him
• this is when he, very much ashamed, admits to you what has been troubling him recently
• you feel like something punched you in the gut when he reveals to very well returning your feelings but doing his hardest to push them away
• in the end you will yourself to be patient
• whatever choice Luke is going to make, you will accept
• and if that means he will never think of you as more than a friend in order to preserve the peace and the New Republic, so be it
• you cry yourself to sleep that night
• you can't look him in the eye the next day nor the day after that
• thankfully Luke finally decides to listen to his heart
• and was it not the Force that brought you together in the first place?
• how can his feelings be wrong?
• desperate to make up for everything he put you through, he realizes he has no idea how
• he doesn't even know if you like him back
• (I truly believe he can be this dense sometimes)
• I'm sure he'd turn to Leia, who's all too happy to help after suffering through all that drama along side you, listening to your endless tirades about her stupid brother
• after properly setting him straight, she assures him that in no way will you turn down his advances
• still unsure but feeling decidedly better he seeks you out
• you talk for a very long time
• you get the heartfelt apology you deserve
• Luke is still struggling but makes sure to tell you in detail about everything that has been weighing him down and how much, despite it all, he cares for you
• both of you end up crying
• it's almost, almost, a love declaration
• when you describe your point of view he is genuinely upset and apologizes again
• in fact he can't stop apologizing until you tell him to shut up
• in the end you both admit to your feelings but agree to take it slow; it is more than you ever dared hoping for
• and while Luke is not able to let go yet, his thoughts still plaguing him, they are in the open now
• when you are about to leave he takes hold of your hand and kisses you for the first time
• it's clumsy but sweet and you hug after
• you hold each other for a long time, neither of you wanting to let go
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Ah, here we are again. After sitting through all that jedi fell to the empire because they did things wrong rhetoric, I am now sitting through the mandalore fell to the empire because Satine weakened it with her weak weak pacifism or Bo weakened it with her mistakes-
I’m not playing this blame game. I get that this is somewhat invoked by Bo Katan herself with her multiple speeches about the self-defeating nature of mandalorian infighting, and it’s deeply resonant because of her own history of being part of the problem, and it’s deeply resonant because they are fighting amongst themselves now, however-
It’s noticeable that despite that, her brief description of what happened when they lost the war is curiously devoid of mandalorian infighting. The opposite even- when they fought the empire, they may have been the most united they’d been in a long time. They appear to have just... lost. They weren’t betrayed by a mandalorian in the end, they were betrayed by Moff not honoring their agreement. So there.
And as for Satine? I’m guessing a certain subset of fans have a vision of what Mandalore would have been like without her dastardly ways, that it would have been a shining military power capable of holding it’s own against anyone- that’s a pie in the sky, obviously. The reality is that Satine didn’t inherit a gloriously strong world she dismantled bit by bit, the mandalore she was chosen to lead was a severely depopulated and fractured fractured society that killed more than half it’s own in bloody civil war, a world moreover that lacked crucial resources like, for example, food, it’s ecosystem being long since ruined, reliant on imports and/or raiding. Her administration rebuilt those cities, that infrastructure, those schools, that trade, after war had left rubble and corpses in it’s wake. Mandalore without her most likely would have looked much like it did after she was murdered in a coup: infighting, not any less vulnerable to outside attack. We know ‘traditional’ warrior mandalorians could lose to the empire; that’s exactly what happened.
But it’s not like her Mandalore would have survived by virtue of being virtuous either! I mean, the jedi didn’t, the Lasat didn’t, the nightsisters didn’t, Alderaan didn’t, lots of people got wiped out. And anyway, that would rather defeat the purpose she was arguably introduced into the narrative for, back when mandalorians didn’t have quite such a whole mythos of their own, and her and mandalore’s role was mostly to do with being a foil to Obi Wan (and anidala. many hats.) and the jedi. After all, the question of should the jedi have been neutral in the war, should they have been pacifists whose solutions were diplomatic only, etc, was a common one both in and out of universe, and the story, imo, answers it with: different story, same ending. Hence, Satine is murdered by the Sith, and there are clone troops in the streets of Mandalore when the republic graduates into empirehood. If Palpatine had fallen then, the empire not solidified, had things worked out, Mandalore might well have been able to rebuild from there, again.
Whose fatal flaws caused what in that tragedy were the same as for the rest of the galaxy. By a quirk of destiny, it all ended up resting on the shoulders of one Anakin Skywalker and his critically endangered decision making capabilities.
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reading this is the equivalent of being gut punched 4 times. anakin is constantly bringing questions and his combative feelings to obi-wan, which to obi-wan might feel like being attacked by anakin for things out of his control or things that have nothing to do with him (or things that actually are obi-wan's responsibility), but really it's an expression of anakin's need for obi-wan's validation and obi-wan's guidance, and it obviously hurts him deeply when he feels dismissed
and obi-wan has been anakin's master for 14 years now and he STILL feels like the second choice, like a replacement that is meant to fail his padawan somehow. even tho now anakin is a knight and a general, this old insecurity of obi-wan's has not gone away. qui-gon's shadow is looming over him as his shadow looms over anakin and no one can reach the place they are attempting to live up to
(this is because qui-gon is a flawed man and obi-wan is a flawed man and anakin is, surprise, a flawed man, so they are constantly leaning upwards towards a version of someone they love that is not accurate to who they truly are and impossible to emulate because of that. and even if their perceptions of each other were not themselves inherently flawed, obi-wan constantly comparing himself to a dead man and anakin constantly comparing himself to obi-wan means no one is being Themself and is instead caught in a cycle of pain and also nonsense.)
but then yoda just saunters over, rips open obi-wan's chest, and just moves on with the conversation. yes he wants to ease obi-wan's worries because he does care about him, but he is still yoda so he just casually has to acknowledge obi-wan's eternal burden and stifling sense of duty (and it is no accident he says so right after obi-wan is thinking about not being good for qui-gon's memory OR for anakin who he loves like he is his brother, because it is true that obi-wan thinks big picture and cares about the galaxy at large, but the specific feelings about qui-gon and anakin are heavy enough to weigh him down) and then they move on, back to the war and uncovering conspiracies, without obi-wan's response. because what would he say? there is no defense or denial. this is the same book with the infinite sadness line. obi-wan knows who he is and what he carries, and so does everyone else.
(labyrinth of evil by james luceno)
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