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not brainworms as in it’s eating me, brainworms as in it’s aerating and enriching the soil of my mind
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feathersnek · 10 months
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Feather, What On Earth Is Going On With Rays Names and Their Translations?
Why Neo-Eidyia instead of Neo-Idea and Idavoll instead of Isabelle? Why Baldr instead of Baldo as Rays JP spells it? Why have I seen you use Nazar previously but Nuadha now? Why does one name have 3 different versions depending on translation group? And why not just stick with how Rays romanizes it into English, since it's "official"?
Let's talk about why certain translations are chosen by me and parts of the fandom for names and terms in the Rays universe. I know many are confused by the many different interpretations of them, so let's split this into two parts.
First, I'll explain why I use the names and terms that I do as well as why you see certain translations. Second, we'll discuss why some are more loosely interpreted than others and why that's okay.
As it turns out, the intended names of Rays characters is usually very predictable, and aren't pulled out of nowhere. However JP doesn't always know how to romanize things. Not to mention romanization in JP media does not always equal proper translation. This'll be a long one, so I'll explain under the cut.
*Note: There will be Tales of the Rays story spoilers in some of these explanations
Part 1: Translation of Rays Names
So, why is Rays naming generally predictable? Because they often draw from mythology. Not only that but the vast majority of this mythology is Norse/Irish. And for Recollection, they've been pulling in a lot of Greek on top of the Greek we've seen in main plot. We've seen these themes over and over again in the plot, character naming, and character relationships. It's a joy to see how the inspired myths are woven into a new twist in the Rays universe's unique story.
Here are various examples:
Tir Na Nog: In Irish mythology, Tir Na Nog is "The land of the young." And in Rays, for the duration of the main story, Tir Na Nog's inhabitants do not age due to the capture of Chronos.
Fimbulvetr: Another name for the voidstorm in Rays. In Norse myth, this was the death storm that ended all life. In Rays, Fimbulvetr destroyed the original world, Nibelung, and continues to threaten Tir Na Nog.
Ix: Why is he named Ix? What does THAT have to do with mythology, Feather? It's as simple as it looks. Ix is the roman numeral 9. And 9 is a significant recurring number in Norse myth. (This is more of an interpretation than obvious name references, and the writer is ever mysterious in her intentions, but check out the significance of the number 9 in Norse sometime!)
Baldr: A god in Norse myth that was killed by his only weakness: Mistletoe. And in Recollection, Baldr introduces himself as Baldr Misteltein, his last name meaning Mistletoe.
Nuadha: The first king of the Tuatha Dé Danann (People of Dana) in Irish mythology, Nuadha of the Silver Arm. He lost the right of kingship after losing his right arm in battle, but later had it replaced with a silver substitute. That's right, Dana is also Irish. She is the mother god, who is further associated with the land. Considering Dana *is* Tir Na Nog in Rays, well... And not only does Rays Nuadha have a silver arm, but he gains his real body back at the end of Rays, matching the Irish myth where the king Nuadha also regains his flesh arm and takes back kingship.
Balor: An antagonist in Irish mythology that possesses the "evil eye" of destruction. In Rays, Balor's mirrite, Lugh possesses the evil eye and this trait is passed down in Balor's bloodline.
Lugh: In Irish myth, Balor's grandson that kills him. Lugh was said to wield a legendary spear and the battles between him and Balor were often attributed to thunderstorms, leading to speculation that he was a storm god. In Rays, Lugh is the cause of Nibelung's destruction, and therein Balor becomes a pillar god of Tir Na Nog. There is also a very important spear known as "Lugh's spear," and Balor is furthermore known as the "storm god" in Rays lore.
All this and so much more. The vast majority of Rays names are dripping with myth references and are fascinating to compare to how Rays itself nods to them.
So, now that we know Rays certainly consistently references myths, particularly Norse and Greek. Finding the intended namesake is often simple. Because these mythological names already have established Japanese spellings! So, if we were to say, plug in the JP spelling of the capital city in Recollection, Idavoll: イザヴェル, you quickly find the Norse myth it's referencing, and it's *not* Isabelle:
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In Norse myth, Idavoll stands where Asgard used to be after its destruction in Ragnarok. And built in Idavoll is Gimle. In Rays, Gimle is Liwanna's family line.
So why Neo-Eidyia? A couple of reasons. While it's true the JP spelling references the philosophy of "idea," there is already another term in Recollection, the "Idea Value" that uses this. Using Eidyia separates them and fits more properly as a kingdom name. Also both the philosophy "idea" and the myth "Eidyia" are of Greek origin and carry the root meaning "to see." When looking into Eidyia's Greek lore, there are many themes resembling those in Recollection. Of course, the theming of "idea" is also very intentional.
Which brings us to another fascinating aspect of Rays naming. The seemingly intentional double meaning of names. While only Miyajima knows if these are truly intended, they have occurred multiple times now. And we'll talk more about it in Part 2.
This is a case where translation is a bit touch and go with decisions! It won't always make sense 1 to 1, so some flexibility is needed at times.
Akin to how the word "Kimin" 棄民 didn't quite translate right as "outsider" or "refugee" in Recollection's world, so I decided on "wastelander." And in the case of "wraiths," I chose it because the actual term 幻影種 directly translates to "Phantom-type" or "Phantom-class" referring to a type of monster. So wraith gets this across more clearly! Not to mention, these are treated as special bracketed (quotation marks) terms in the script and specifically defined in narration.
For better or worse, languages are different from one another, and words often hold various connotations in their original language and context used, (Kanji can do a fun thing where sometimes one spelling can be swapped for another. While the direct translation of the word is the same, the *meaning* is different, which is why the more common/other character was switched out, so using the same word for both versions in English might not turn out quite right) so translation isn't always going to work 1 to 1 or as normally expected. Alas this is a whole topic of its own, so lets leave it at that here.
I want to touch on JP romanization. Do you really think that Ix was supposed to be spelled Ickx? Or knowing what we do of the intentional references, Baldr was supposed to be Baldo? You'll find that even in official content, the JP romanization of names differs.
Off the top of my head, in official JP Rays content, Baldr has been spelled as both "Baldo" and "Bardo." Now that's a simple case of L vs R, but what if I told you there was more? The official Rays JP spelling for Karia N is "Nevan," but do you know what spelling her filenames use in the game? "Nemain." Which is the old spelling of Irish "Neamhain", the myth her name is derived from that the fandom uses this modern Irish spelling of. Phillip has also been "officially" spelled multiple ways in Rays JP.
Unfortunately JP romanization spellings are just not always accurate. Though sometimes they are! Whether that is because they manage to pin it down early or because they're in contact with the localization team and keep them is a mystery to me, and it just seems to depend on what sticks over there, correct or not. This haphazard spelling holds true for many names in many pieces of media. Of course, it is still understandable to lean on them when there is no official translation, which we'll talk about in part 2.
But why does this happen? Because the languages are different and romanization is not necessarily translation! It's simply the romanized version of the Japanese spelling! Let's take a look at a fun spelling in Rays. The spelling of Balor's name. In JP it's spelled バロール.
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As we can see, this is truly representing the Irish myth of "Balor." But how is it spelled in Kana? "Barouru." Now, Balor in Irish myth *is* properly pronounced as "Bah-Lor" (akin to Valor starting with a B, but with more emphasis on the "lor" part like how you would pronounce the word "Lore") which is the pronunciation you roughly get in the JP spelling! This is another reference to the intended name. However, if you were to romanize that rather than translate it, you may not necessarily get the proper spelling of "Balor."
What does that mean? That the spelling of a foreign word in JP is often spelled based on the sound of the word rather than the origin spelling! So when you reverse it from JP... you end up with the spelling of the sounds! And this is what we see in the romanization of Baldr as "Baldo," because the JP spelling of the sounds is Barudo. However, the proper translation is nonetheless Baldr.
(Side note that things like vowels also have pronunciations different than English! For example "i" in Japanese is pronounced "ee" (like the English letter "e") rather than the English "eye." Which further throws a wrench into romanization team's decisions, because it's entirely possible for a romanized name to use an i where you would normally use an e for the proper translation! This is the case for many sounds of various letters that differ between the two languages)
Part 2: A Case For Different Spellings
Having said all that, a lot of spellings are more up to interpretation or easier to lean on! In my opinion, some are less lenient than others, and I get a bit picky about those, but in cases like Nazar (in irl myth, a ward against the evil eye. i.e. referencing Balor's evil eye in Rays' lore) vs Nuadha (The Irish reference we've discussed), you'll notice both of those are appropriate. Nazar is also the romanized JP version, closer to what we hear in game, AND easier to spell. This is a name I consider more flexible.
This is one of those sneaky double meaning names that may well be intentional. Considering this and hearing "Naaza" in the voiced content, well, even I used to use it!
And when you don't know what the real version is, there's nothing wrong with using Rays' official romanizations either. Though I would hope some things are more obvious, such as Ix. (Of course that one was properly localized as well, but regardless.)
And translators are going to have their own quirks as well, such as my interpretation of Neo-Eidyia which could very well be translated to Neo-Idea instead.
For the more lenient names, many of us have gotten used to accepting multiple spellings, and I think that's fine!
In Conclusion
There's a reason for certain translations. And I value translations that are taken from proper research and consideration. With Rays we have plenty of basis to get proper translations from! However, some select names are sneaking around with double meanings, and regardless of proper basis some translators will still arrive at a different spelling!
Personally, I am moving ever more towards thoroughly researched names and further fitting the terms to match the story intent and environment, even when it strays a bit, such as wraith or wastelander. And I'm putting careful consideration into how I translate such things going forward, as I have some rather ambitious translation plans in the future, as well as a channel for video translations now. Of course, there may be times when the story proves me wrong later, or just terms that are more up to interpretation. Alas, translation isn't easy and often has no single right answer.
So when it comes to my own more officially line by line translated content, I will be settling on as consistent theming and carefully researched name translations as much as possible. As such, I've changed from Nazar to Nuadha and Nevan to Neamhain.
Why? Because the myths fit more properly, and when it comes to Nuadha, and likely many other Irish names, especially with no fandom settled version, I will be trying to default to the modern spellings where I can in order to differentiate Nuadha (prince Woden) from Nuada (the god) in my translations. This is because "Nuada" is the older spelling. Thus, both more god-like and a nice way to differentiate the two of them.
There are so many neat myths tied to Rays, so I do recommend looking into a name or two every now and again to check out the original myth! If you know Rays decently, you'll find some very cool references!
And if you ever want me to talk in more detail about why I choose certain spellings or anything mentioned here, feel free to ask! I tried to keep this post mostly focused on the big picture!
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OH!!! OH!!!
DO YOU SEE THIS??
DO YOU SEE IT??
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SHE'S TOUCHING HIS SHOULDER!!
Oh mah gawd. He doesn't let anyone touch him unless they're his friends.
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If they aren't his friends, he'll either lean away or wipe off his hand. He hates being touched if he's not the one initiating it, to the point of wiping his sleeve off when Lucifer's hat just BARELY grazed against it.
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He didn't wipe his shoulder off when Charlie stopped touching him either.
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AND!!!
And!!!
Before You Say 'He did lean away', or 'She wasnt actually touching him, her hand was just near him', Take A Look At This!!
Look closely at how he moves when she splits them up. He doesn't lean away, she SHOVED him. She actively MOVED him. That wasn't an 'oh she's making contact with me, guess I should lean away', it was a 'well she's shoving me now, I'll shut up for a minute'.
Which also proves she WAS touching him. She couldn't have shoved him if she wasn't making contact.
He didn't lean away from it, he didn't retaliate. The ONLY people he lets touch him are people he cares for. And not only did she put her hand on his shoulder, she actively pushed him back, and he showed no sign of discomfort towards it. So why am I screaming about this?
Because he DOES care! It proves he cares for her. Don't get me wrong, I still think saying he's her 'dad' is a bit of a strech, but he does care enough to let her touch him. He doesn't dislike or even have a neutral opinion on her. She's his friend, even if just a little bit.
Just an edit to clarify; I know 'friends' is probably also not the best word to use, but it's just the easiest way for me to describe it.
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one thing about ik is that she will always reach out
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swordmaid · 9 months
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brienne but she's wearing 1949 cocteau's beauty and the beast inspired fit!!! this is the inspo pic i used if ur curious.
gonna be posting more of this redesign thing (and also jaime's ver) some time in the future but i just wanted to share this one <3
#brienne of tarth#asoiaf#mine.#u know literally just as i finished colouring this i found that some theater made an opera version of this batb#and they made belle's dress BLUE...which is a win for me and also not bc they made it light blue#but here it's supposed to be velvet.. idk if it comes across as velvet but that's the fabric of choice lol.#but im gonna ramble because i really like the concept... i love brienne in pearls!! i feel like pearls will be her jewellery of choice#and i talked abt this before in some post but i think tarth regalia would have a lot of pearls just bc they're an island#and i think they would export pearls alongside marble lol#i love brienne in silver and pearls BUT the reason why the flower thing on her cape is gold bc in the film#the pearl chain was actually a gift from the beast. so she's wearing jaime's gift. and i made the cape more silvery white (leaning on white#to resemble his cloak so it's like... jaime gifting her his white cloak..... hihihIHIHIhhihihihihi......#tbh i drew that concept before too BUT I JUST LIKE IT!!!!!!!! i want it to happen actually....please....thank u..#also the feathers in her hair is bc i want to accessorize her in a brienne way BUT ALSO supposed to be like the plumes knights wore in thei#helm. she's wearing trousers in the fit btw only the upper half of the design is based on beauty but the silhouette mimics beasts' more.#but anyway i really like this design!! bc it's a bit ott but also not in a way that seems out of character for her? idk LOL
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bxnesstuffingz · 1 month
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Are you sure that one bite is worth ruining everything you achieved? I dont think so!
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salty-an-disco · 20 days
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I just know Shifty would love getting to personally meet the voices.
They were born out of a need for change and adaptability within the construct, after all, and are what molded her vessels, she’d love getting to know more of their unique perspectives.
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notdysfunk · 2 months
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Some random details about Stars of a Feather
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low quality ass picture lol The MC's wing-ears will sometimes emote along with their emotions. For example they might flap when excited, or fold in when frightened. They will also expand and flap just as the other pair would, although they are almost entirely useless in actual flight. Y/N is a fairly level headed person, though they enjoy a little risktaking and new scenery every now and again. They can be skeptic, but are incredibly caring- And try to see the best in most situations.
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Luckily for people like sun, excess wings can oftentimes be tucked away. If they're small enough, people will sometimes just stuff them beneath their clothes. As having 6 wings, as you can imagine for Sun, might get a bit clunky in crowded places. But this also varies on the person's ability and control of their own wings. Sun is a very cheerful, and outgoing individual. He is still as bubbly as you imagine him to be, but more down to earth... Ironic as that is. He can get pretty nervous and flustered pretty quickly though.
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Unfortunately for Moon, his wings are broken. Meaning as of now, he cannot fly- And when the MC first meets him, he is barely able to feel or control them at all. This usually causes them to hang limp, or wobbly-flap when he's subconsciously wishing to take off. But the broken wings makes it difficult for him to fold them up either. Moon is fairly aloof, the opposite of his sunnier counterpart. He finds insecurity in his wings, and his inability to fly. He's very adverse to risk taking. He's kind, even if his stature doesn't seem that way.
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sereinreality · 3 months
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someone sedate me
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law mimicking corazon’s powers is so sweet and yet so tragic. it’s as if he cannot move forward without taking an aspect of corazon with him. throughout this arc it felt like he was gathering up courage to go back out into the world with a purpose this time.
the feathers, the red poneglyphs, and now the silence ability. finding the reason for the will of D is his goal now, he wants answers. he wants to be able to sleep at night.
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akantorrr · 9 months
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Ruffled Feathers
Another old-ish doodle of @size-two-shrimp's fic, cause boi do I love me some fluff (and I love this AU so much) Also a sequel to the 'Anatomizing Your Synthetic Humanity' fic and comic :>
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More stories where romance is not the point but it is a point.
We’re on a quest and I’m liking you more and more.
I’m training to be a wizard and you’re training to be a knight and I hope I can convince you we should get married when we meet again.
We’ve got lives to live and this spaceship to fly and people to help and I love you.
I’m a king and you are my loyal companion who helped keep me alive long enough to take the throne I love you and that could become more than it is.
I trust your rule and I will protect you and I think I love you.
I’m a ruler and this marriage is for heirship and I’ve got a thousand other duties but you are passionate and intelligent and understanding and we could love each other.
The world is crumbling as we know it but we always intended to get married and why should we let this get in the way
We’re both busy fighting schemes and keeping alive but I love you let’s stay alive
Love is transformative but it’s everyday. It happens while you are living. It doesn’t take you away.
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camellia-thea · 1 year
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i know we talk a lot about the isolation of chronic illness and disability, but i really don't think ablebodied folk get it.
i have made one new friend in person since graduating highschool in 2020. she is my housemate's girlfriend. she stays over frequently, and the only reason we are friends is because she stays over and we have shared university papers. i would not have had the opportunity to befriend her otherwise. that is in the space of three years.
i don't go out much. i cannot guarantee that i will leave my house within any given week. technically i have class i need to go to twice a week for an hour, but those moments aren't time for friends, they're time for classwork and i don't interact with people in a social capacity there.
i simply do not get the opportunity to meet people.
i cannot go out with friends and meet new people that way, because my social circle is already so small, and i don't have the energy to go out half the time anyway. when i do, i suffer for it later.
i don't meet people on campus because i'm immuno-compromised, and ableds seem to have forgotten that we are still in a pandemic.
i don't go to clubs or go out for the sake of going out because i can't. i've grown agoraphobic, because i am so worried that something health related will happen and i'll get stuck somewhere alone. i hate leaving the house because of the guarantee of an anxiety attack which leaves my body more likely to flare. it's a vicious cycle of isolation.
i am not the only one who has experienced this -- i can still leave the house, i can still go and visit friends with assistance. i struggle, but at the end of the day, it's still an option. there are others who are completely isolated.
the worst of it is that people leave. people get tired of the 'i can't come, i'm sorry', of the 'hey, i'm sick, can we postpone?'. even people who you love and hold dearly will stop trying. and it's awful. you have to sit and watch these people who you love walk away because they can't deal with your disability. i don't have words to describe how much that hurts.
it really is impossible for ablebodied people to understand, because for the majority of us, this isn't temporary. this is just how we have to live. and your social circle can only really get smaller.
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Help me, I'm running on 4 hours of sleep and Alastor's 'Fuck you'.
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Candace Flynn in Nerds of a Feather. The way she spends the entire episode explicitly terrified of anyone finding out about her secret then happily reveals herself at the end. The way she worries about everyone thinking she likes kid stuff then, when they do laugh at her for it, she basically says "eh, them's the breaks." The way she flees from Suzy Johnson the whole episode and then tells her "Ducky Momo loves you too, Suzy" at the end.
Correct me if I'm wrong but up until this episode, we don't see Ducky Momo mentioned at all. Afterwards, Candace is apparently comfortable enough to bring her Ducky Momo plush into public sight and hunt for a Ducky Momo collectible at a flea market (although she half-heartedly pretends it isn't for her) and go to a public screening of a Ducky Momo movie (although when Vanessa catches her she pretends it's ironic).
Candace is a nervous wreck in a lot of ways but it's nice to see her grow (mostly) out of insecurity over liking "kid stuff". You go, girl.
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'Kicking my feet and giggling while updating my CW in my bio to a lower number'💓💓
Manifesting it for the rest of you guys too🤍🤍
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puppetmaster13u · 4 months
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*slams hands down*
TELL ME ABOUT THE BACKROOMS AU
*Rapidly Vibrates*
OKAY!
So it's still in it's infancy right now, but the idea is that Bruce is a Backrooms entity who sometimes wanders the darker areas of other levels. It's the equivalent of him going on a walk whenever Alfred tells him to go outside.
The batkids are wanderers, specifically kids who have no-clipped into the backrooms and into various levels at various times. Actually have a lil blurb of Bruce's behavior according to other wanderers
  "While normally neutral towards any wanderers and a majority of other entities, it will become hostile the moment it is attacked. Batman will not become hostile immediately if aggression is shown, and may be made to retreat to darker areas if there are too many aggressors present."   "If you see it wandering it is best to stay out of its way. Only approach if you are in danger or another entity is pursuing you. Most entities will avoid entity (??) if they can and may stop pursuing you."    "A different behavior is noted towards those under the age of eighteen (though may be up to nineteen) who are not with a group. If it spots an unattended minor, it will purposely approach, even in an area with large amounts of light, and attempt to coax the child closer."    "It will then pick the child up, and retreat into the shadows, after which it may not be seen for months at a time. It is unknown what happens to the child."
Now what happens is Bruce sees a child, either actively in danger or all alone, and gently coaxes them over where he can make sure they're safe. And well, most levels are definitely not, so he'll pick them up and use the shadows to slip back to his home level. Which is pretty much Gotham, with two sublevels. One which is the manor, but very liminal and actively shifting around and is straight up controlled by Alfred, who is also an entity. Just one that looks completely human. But is immortal. The other sublevel is pretty much the Batcave systems and has so many exits to so many different levels.
But he'll bring them home to the manor. And well, it's the Backrooms, chances are they don't exactly have a caretaker. So he just kind of... takes them in.
But again, it's the Backrooms. People become entities. Hounds if they get bit, Wretches if they get too exhausted and starved and dehydrated. That's not exactly the case on Level G and it's sublevels.
Not that Alfred would ever let any of his wards be anything but well fed and rested.
So the children usually don't exactly stay human, just like how Bruce didn't stay human when he first fell down into the levels. It isn't exactly noticeable to them at first, but it happens.
And well, again, the backrooms aren't exactly safe, nor are there easy access to food or water, while with Bruce and Alfred there is. They get three meals a day, alongside snacks whenever, and their own rooms, and Bruce brings them knickknacks from other levels too! So why would they want to leave?
Though again everything is in the very early stages of figuring things out lol
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