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#Sirius Black was a bully
roseburning · 5 months
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Why nobody talks about this?!
I never actually read the books so I might be wrong, but why the fact that James was a douchebag doesn't seems to affect Harry in anyway?
When I first heard of it I was excited, usually the dead parent of the chosen one protagonist trope is just a nice, sweet person who was kind and loved by everybody and that's the reason why their deaths was so tragic, after all, why do bad things happen to good people? (See Summer Rose from RWBY, Nadeshiko from Sakura Card Captors and even Lily herself as examples.)
But James is different. He's a mean bully and a sexual harasser. Maybe that's because he's male and all the examples I mentioned were females.
Considering that Harry spends so much time hating Draco for being a bully, why doesn't he have a identity crisis and a reality shock with the revelation that his own father was like that, if not worse?!
• I want to see Harry going through a moral dilema!
• I want him to question if his parents were really the good people he thought they were!
• I want Harry to start looking at Sirius in a different light, realizing that he's may not be who he thought he was!
• I want Harry to get himself mid thought trying to justify his father's actions and then try to apply that justifications to Draco's behavior, and then getting disgusted because nothing justifies bullying!
• I want to see Harry struggling to set a line between pranks and bullying.
• I want Harry to be afraid he turns out like James!
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“but james potter was a bully””he bullied snape!!!” ok? someone had to do it.
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~Here’s a list of good and shitty things Snape did canonically:
Bad:
•Snape was a blood supremacist who called lily a slur.
•invented a curse for enemies (marauders)
I don’t think a good person would make up a curse which mutilates someone terribly. That too, during his time in Hogwarts.
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•oh yeah later on he became a death eater 😋 (the main goal of the death eaters wasto eliminate all muggle-borns in the wizarding world and establish voldemort as its ruler)(magical nazis basically).
Plus when voldy was going to kill lily, Snape was like yk what you can kill the husband and the INFANT just don’t hurt my lily flower teehee like okay james bullied him so him not caring about james made sense but harry was a child bro
•BULLIED CHILDREN DURING HIS TIME AS A PROFESSOR????? he was literally neville’s bogart ffs and not because “some teachers are just scary okay Neville was afraid of almost everything!!!” but because Snape bullied neville on a daily basis plus threatened to kill his pet after a failed potion thingy. plus he made fun hermione’s physical appearance (when draco made her teeth all big and Snape was like hah it’s the same there’s no difference) and he bullied for BEING GOOD AT ACADEMICS LIKE 😭😭😭???? He bullied almost everyone in Hogwarts I just know it.
•sectumsempra’d George’s year off.
•tried to out Remus Lupin as a werewolf for NO reason other than his childish misdemeanour.
Good:
•called Sirius and Remus an old married couple.
•saves Katie bell from a cursed necklace
•saves draco malfoy from a terrible curse that could’ve killed him by the counter charm “vulnera saneteur”
can someone guess which curse Snape saved draco from??? You’re right! It was sectumsempra!
•switched sides or smth
~Here’s a list of good and shitty things james did canonically:
Bad:
•called Snape snivellus (was funny ngl)
•bully snape
Good:
•turned into an illegal animagus at the age of 15 so his werewolf friend (Remus) has company during his transformations.
•took sirius black in after he ran away from an abusive hoursehold.
•SAVED FUCKING SNAPE FROM REMUS IN HIS WEREWOLF FORM AFTER SIRIUS SENT HIM THERE.
JAMES SAVED SNAPE.
•literally died trying to stall Voldemort so Lily and Harry have some time to escape or just live in general.
So my point is canon james was a bit of an asshole but he still did way more good deeds than Snape even though Snape was in all the seven books like one of the good things he did was literally the consequences of his own actions (healing draco).
All of this is canon btw. NONE of it is fanon.
sincerely keep my wife’s name out of your fucking mouth he did what should have been done.
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the-most-faithful · 3 months
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It continues to shock me how much the Snaters really don't know the canon.
First, Lily never rejected Severus the two of them have been best friends for years. The one pestering Lily to go out with him was James.
Second, the scene where Snape goes to Godric's Hollow doesn't exist in the book, it's just an addition in the movie to make everything more dramatic. (If we want to consider movie scenes canon then most of the accusations made don't exist since they don't happen. These people are really too confused) And then what? Or if we take the scene from the film at face value, Snape hugs the woman he loves instead of helping Harry, so what? This poor man was destroyed, can we leave him alone for two seconds to cry?
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ddejavvu · 11 months
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Okokok bully!sirius idea
Hes always calling you embarrassing pet names amd making kissy faces at you and laughs when you inevitably get embarrassed
Or maybe you get up extra early and decide to do your hair and a little makeup and sirius is convinced you wanted to look good for him (maybe you did) and taunts you for liking him even though hes so mean
today is multiverse monday, send me any au you can think of! :)
cw for bully!sirius. he doesn't hurt her, he just teases her, but if you're uncomfortable with that then don't read. this is your warning, your media consumption beyond this point is your responsibility.
You're adjusting the part of your hair when Sirius comes into the classroom, as always, flanked by his friends. His eyes zero in on you so fast that you wonder if he's got some sort of sixth sense for you.
"Woah," He whistles lowly, "You're all dolled up today, angel face. What's that about?"
He saunters over to your desk and leans forward on it, hands braced on the wood, "Did you get all pretty for me?"
"I don't know what you're talking about," You shake your head, focusing on the notebook you're pulling out of your bag. To no one's surprise, Sirius snatches the book away from you, flipping through the pages.
"Got our names doodled in here, love? Maybe you've drawn our initials in a heart."
Thankfully, he's got your charms notebook, which is full of only notes on the subject. Your personal journal, however... well, you're just glad that's kept safe from him.
"Hm. Don't see any," He laments, pulling away from the pages with a pout, "What's that about, doll? Don't like me?"
"No," You shake your head, the curls you'd put your hair into waving with the movement, "I don't like you."
"Ah, that's not what your face says," Sirius purrs, taking your jaw in his fingers. He feels your flushed skin and hears the hitch of your breath as he holds your face steady, a smirk curling onto his lips as he keeps your face mere inches away from his own. He studies your face for a reaction that you desperately try not to give him, and after a moment of what you hope is nothing, he breaks eye contact.
"Huh," He muses, keeping his fingers curled around your jaw, "Thought you'd crack. Oh well," He hums, tugging your face closer and planting a messy, sticky kiss to your cheek with a cartoonish smacking sound, "Class is about to start."
You're frozen in shock as he drops your face, heading to his own seat with no further teasing. You hear the snickers of his friends at his outlandish behavior, and he settles into his chair with a contended smirk on his face. You find it especially hard to turn your attention to the professor when he walks in, the patch of your cheek that Sirius had smooched still tingling with the ghostly sensation.
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v-a-l · 7 months
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The Sirius Black who lived off rats couldn’t survive Grimmauld Place.
The Sirius Black who survived the betrayal of the entire light side couldn’t survive Grimmauld Place.
The Sirius Black who survived Azkaban couldn’t survive Grimmauld Place.
The Sirius Black who survived James Potter’s death couldn’t survive Grimmauld Place
I’m so tired of the ‘he should have tried harder’ value judgements. He’s been trying hard all his life.
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expectopatronum81 · 10 months
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One of the arguments against Snape ( and in favour of the marauders)that bothers me the most is this one:
" The fact that Snape is the only one who despises James while the rest of the cast speak highly of him really tells you about the kind of person James was "
First off, NO
Secondly, ABSOLUTELY NOT
Idk how many of u have actually seen/ experienced bullying, but I always thought it was pretty well known that not all bullies look like ur typically intimidating roadside gangsters. Most bullies, at least the ones I've seen, tend to have a pretty solid relationship with authority figures, even being the ones most trusted/ favoured by them. They're often popular and very well liked by the general masses because they've found confidence in their abilities earlier than most teenagers, and fit into the conventional standards of beauty or being cool.
Now, because they tend to be well accepted by their peers, they make the victim of their tactics to be the oddball, something inherently unlikable coz they're different, while in reality, they're just not there yet (which is why they alone see the worst side of the bullies, they're the only ones who know what it's like to be prey to the bullies' most cruel tendencies.)
This perception of the victim is accepted by the rest of the peers, who are either trying to fit in themselves, or saving themselves from similar treatment, or just happen to believe in this too, because well, why wouldn't it be true if it's coming from the 'IT' group.
In my view this is exactly what happened with Snape and the marauders. Was his ambition to become a death eater and his interest in the dark arts a reason for the bullying? Yes, we have canonical evidence for it. Was that the only reason for the bullying? Absolutely not, we have canonical evidence for that too.
And besides, making such claims is literally gaslighting the victim, aka Snape. This is another thing which typically happens, PPL go 'oh it's no big deal, it's just a joke!' while only the victim knows the true depth of their pain, and the fact that entertainment gained from their humiliation certainly wasn't very funny for them.
Now, i wanna make something pretty clear. I wholeheartedly despise Severus Snape as a character. However, that does not mean that i ll ignore or downplay his trauma to uplift my favs( yes i do love the marauders and Sirius happens to be my fav character in the entire series). I sincerely hope that anyone spewing this argument is just trying to justify their liking for their fav fictional characters, and doesn't hold this opinion on bullying in general.
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moonlightdancer26 · 9 months
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Snape antis: What do you have to say about Snape making fun of Sirius at Grimmauld place?
Me:
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pearlynia · 4 months
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I saw someone say "the marauders fandom is for bullies"
Bebe no, the marauders fandom is for delusional gays
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vomits0cutely · 26 days
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Sirius: what did I do to be this short, like why do I deserve this??
Peter: maybe it’s revenge from something you did in a past life
Sirius: you think I did a crime in a past life?
Remus: you do crime in this life, you definitely did it in another
Sirius: ..
Sirius: I guess..
Peter: what crime do you think it would’ve been?
Lily: break and entry
Peter: murder
James: arson
Remus: aggravated assault
Marlene: he ain’t a pussy guys (!!)
Sirius: thank you Marlene! I cannot believe them-
Marlene: he definitely did them all
Sirius: …
Marlene: and probably more
Sirius: okay thanks let’s move on-
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soup-of-the-daisies · 7 months
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i’ve talked about this before but i just LOVE the sheer potential of a james-sirius-severus trio?? especially with the three of them in the same hogwarts house.
they’re all geniuses and they’re all feral and they’re all a bit cruel. they’re canonically SO smart it’s annoying. they become animagi three months after first opening a book about it—not for remus necessarily, but just because the three of them are bored and wanted to challenge themselves (severus becomes a fruit bat and sirius suggest they call him ‘count snapula’). they’re inventing new spells left and right by their fourth year. the map is more interactive than it is in canon because they just really enjoyed continuing to tweak and improve it as they continued to learn.
having (at least) two frighteningly loyal Boy Buds behind him, one of whom has incredible parents, severus doesn’t end up falling down the far-right pipeline. severus also never ends up losing lily, so he’s not particularly bothered by james and sirius’ soulmate-ish behaviour. he gets included in their shenanigans so much that it’s rather stifling anyway, and he invents muffliato solely because their dormmates are completely done with the unhinged, evil cackling coming from their side of the room when they’re figuring out a new prank.
the potters are a safe haven for severus, just like they are for sirius; and severus adores his mum, he really does, but after she dies young the potters are the people he flees to. euphemia hugs him and kisses his temple, takes him into the backyard to practice duelling. fleamont is ecstatic to have a potions prodigy under his roof and they spend many a days brewing away. james doesn’t mind, is happy to share with sev and later sirius, then gets infuriatingly smug when lily visits and emerges from the potions lab with flushed cheeks and bright eyes, because i bloody told you she’d love my old man, sev, didn’t i? (no james, i told you that)
i’m not entirely sure where remus and peter fit into this au, mainly because i imagine that this trio is more possible if james and sirius are sorted into slytherin and i don’t think remus and peter would willingly end up there. i also don’t want to ‘replace’ remus with severus here; they’re very different people, though fanon!remus is similar to how i imagine severus here.
regardless, harry (should he come to exist) ends up with another uncle—reluctant, yes, and strict as all hell, but endlessly protective. also nobody dies because sirius and severus together? nothing will happen to james and lily.
like?? i think those three would’ve made such a good fit under different circumstances. both sev and sirius have an acerbic sense of humour, and james seems to have that as well. sirius is shown to respect intelligence, something that sev has in spades. the three of them as friends is, from the outside, just a rapid-fire exchange of witty barbs, interwoven with academic theories and seemingly devastating insults. nobody understands how they became friends because james is so annoying and sirius looks so mean and severus seems to dislike literally everyone, but they are friends and not one person can do anything about that.
if they’d joined forces they would’ve been unstoppable. voldemort is annoyed that they won’t join him. dumbledore is annoyed that they won’t listen to his orders, because apparently they ‘know better than him’. severus calls lucius an unbearable pasty white slug during a battle and james, hyped up on adrenaline, cackles so uncontrollably sirius has to yank him out of the way of spellfire. they’re that ‘on a leash’ meme in no particular order and it’s so great
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whoopsiesnodaisies · 10 months
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Jegulily fluff oneshot for you <3
“James, if you have coffee right now you won’t sleep tonight.” Lily warned, knowing that he wouldn’t listen, he never did.
“You never tell Reg off for having coffee with dinner.” James rolled his eyes, already sipping from a mug that was probably evenly filled with coffee and sugar 
Regulus looked up from his book for just a second, “That’s cause I don’t bounce off the walls.” 
“I do not bounce off the walls!” James protested, while already unable to stand still. 
“Already honey, but if you can’t sleep, then you can’t keep Reg and I up.” Lily warned, and James just rolled his eyes. 
“I’ll be fine Lily! I’m an adult you know.” James defended and Reg just laughed.
Regulus woke up to tapping on his left side and snoring on his right, “Hey Reg.” James whispered, trying so hard not to wake Lily. 
Regulus sighed, knowing what was coming, “Yeah?” 
“Can’t sleep. Are you up?” 
“Yes dear, I am clearly awake, now that you’ve woken me up.” Regulus was not someone who enjoyed being woken up and was fighting the urge to bite his lover's head off. “Do you need something?”
“Guest room?” James said with a smile, trying to seduce Reg, which would probably have worked at any time besides 2am. 
“No. Go to sleep.” Regulus reprimanded.
James groaned, “Just talk to me baby, you’re voice helps me sleep.” 
“Are you calling me boring?” Regulus asked, eyes closed.
“No, I just like your voice.”
Regulus hummed, falling back to sleep. 
“Reggie, come on.” James peppered kisses all over Regulus’ face, knowing it was his weakness.
Regulus whined, “James, not now. I’m tired.”
Lily woke up then, just barely and just long enough to slap them both with her pillow and mutter “Shut up, both of you.” Before turning away from them, Lily loved them, but was definitely the angriest when tired. 
Regulus also turned away from James and wrapped an arm around Lily. James ran his fingers through Regulus’ hair to occupy himself. 
“James, what are you doing?” Reg mumbled, half asleep.
“I just love you both so much.” James burrowed his head into Regulus’ neck and placed more kisses there. 
“Go to sleep!” Lily cried out, apparently being woken up by him again.
“I can’t.” James whined. 
Lily could not take it anymore, “Follow me.” She instructed and he did so, an angry Lily was not to be messed with. She got out of bed with a huff and went into the kitchen. Made a special tea to help him sleep, and then she tucked him in on the couch. 
“I have to sleep on the couch?” James raised an eyebrow.” 
Lily kissed his forehead, cheek, and then mouth. “Yes, you do. Because I warned you, love.” 
“That’s not fair, Lily! You can’t just-“ but he had drank some of the tea, and his eyes were drooping, he was out like a light a second later.
Lily went back to the bed Regulus was in, “He’s asleep now, bloody idiot.” She insulted with affection.
“He’s our idiot.” Regulus added.
“That he is.” Lily kissed Regulus, before curling up into him and going to sleep.
And that is how James Potter swore off caffeine, or rather had the coffee hidden from him in his own house.
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impishtubist · 1 year
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saturday ficlet
Dinner had gone well.
Too well.
Kingsley had done everything right--he’d used the proper cutlery for every course of the ten-course meal, he’d kept the conversation flowing smoothly, he’d even held out Sirius’s chair for him when they first sat down.
Harry doesn’t trust it. 
So when Cedric gets up to help Sirius with the dishes, Harry leans over and says, “Minister, I’d like a word.” 
Kingsley simply inclines his head, his expression betraying nothing. “Of course, Mr. Potter-Black.” 
Harry leads them into the library. He motions for Kingsley to have a seat in an armchair in front of the fire, but then he remains standing. He clasps his hands behind his back.
“What,” he says, “is Sirius’s favorite color?”
Kingsley blinks at him, and then says, “Red.” 
Correct answer, but Kingsley had hesitated for a second. Harry decides to count that against him. “His favorite Quidditch team?”
“He’ll tell you Puddlemere United, but it’s actually the Montrose Magpies.” 
Damn. Kingsley had said that without missing a beat. 
“What makes Sirius happy?”
“His motorbike. Remus, Gideon, and the baby. His brother, whether or not he likes to admit it. Muggle rock bands.” Kingsley’s expression softens. “But what makes him happiest is being your dad.” 
He’s too smooth. It’s time for Harry to pull out the big guns.
“I have your resume,” he says, pulling a thick sheaf of parchment from his pocket and unfolding it. Kingsley finally looks somewhat surprised.
“How did you get that?”
“Uncle Regulus stole it from your office,” Harry says. It was his price for keeping silent about the fact that he’d stumbled upon Uncle Regulus in a cupboard with Bill Weasley at Sirius’s annual solstice party two weeks ago. “Very impressive resume, Minister.”
“Thank you,” Kingsley says.
“I have a question about this part, though.” Harry points to some dates at the bottom of the second page. “1985. You were in charge of finding escaped convict Sirius Black and bringing him to justice.” 
“Ah,” Kingsley says. “Yes. I was.” 
“Bringing him to justice means delivering him to the Dementors for the Kiss, correct?’
“Harry--”
“It does, doesn’t it?”
“It did, yes,” Kingsley says.
“And now you’re dating him.”
“Well, now I know he’s not a mass murderer. That does change things, Harry.” 
It is a fair point, not that Harry wants to admit it.
“Can you cast a Patronus?”
“I can.”
“How are your dueling skills?”
“Even better than Moody’s,” Kingsley says. “And I’m re-certified twice a year.”
That’s good, Harry has to admit. That means that Kingsley has the skills to protect Sirius if necessary.
The door to the library opens, and Cedric and Sirius come in. 
“There you two are,” Sirius says cheerfully, but Cedric looks exasperated.
“Harry, we talked about this,” Cedric says. “Sirius is a grown man. He can make his own decisions about who he dates.” 
Harry glares at him. “I have two words for you, Cedric. Gilderoy. Lockhart.” 
Sirius rubs the back of his neck sheepishly. “Not my proudest moment, that.” 
“Besides, if the Minister is going to propose, I have to make sure he’s worthy of Sirius.”
Sirius’s eyes snap to Kingsley. “Propose?”
Kingsley buries his face in his hands. “How can you possibly know about that?”
“Lucky guess.” Harry grabs Cedric’s hand and drags him out of the library. Neither man notices them leave. “Come on. That’ll keep them distracted for a few hours. Let’s go snog in my room.”
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the-most-faithful · 4 months
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“Harry was also abused but he didn't turn into Snape”
This argument is likely, once again, to blame Snape. With a speech that sounds a lot like: "Harry also had a bad childhood, but he didn't become like Snape, he could have chosen to be good too" Do we really want to compare them? Let's go in order, I partly understand where this phrase comes from. Harry and Snape are in similar situations as children, as is Tom Riddle. Recluses in the Muggle world, poor, halfblood, misunderstood, treated badly by parents and peers etc... The similarity is fitting up to a certain point and fascinating BUT from the age of 11 onwards it no longer holds.
When Harry arrives at school he is no longer poor, he discovers that he has a mountain of gold left by his parents, to put it in a refined way: he is filthy rich. Snape never will be. Once Harry arrives at school he makes friends with Ron and other Gryffindors, makes positive friendships, is welcomed by the Weasleys, and finds people ready to protect him. Snape, on the other hand, had only one true friend (we will return to this point in the next chapters), Lily. Everyone else in his house wasn't really friends with him and had a bad influence on him over the years. He never had the support of teachers or other responsible adults. No one ever defended him, in fact he was heavily bullied for years in the place where he should have welcomed him and no teacher, no one defended him. Indeed he was blamed.
The similarities between the two disappear once they arrive at Hogwarts, Harry is famous and popular, Snape is not. Harry is respected, Snape is not. Harry has real friends, Snape doesn't. Harry has people protecting him, Snape doesn't.
So out of the love I have for Morgana, let's avoid making comparisons that don't hold up. If and I mean IF Snape had found himself in the exact same situation as Harry perhaps he wouldn't have become who he became and vice versa. Harry found support, if he had been alone, bullied and marginalized he would have made decisions and a different path.
I'm putting all the Snaters' false accusations into a Wattpad collection, if you have any other points not yet covered let me know in the comments or privately COLPE e MERITI - G. Monti E. - Wattpad
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ddejavvu · 11 months
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hi i know u literally just wrote this, but could u please do more bully! sirius? i just loved it so much!!
maybe he sees u crying cause u failed a test or something and he’s comforting u but doing it in a teasing/forceful way?? like him pretending he’s being mean but saying heaps of actually nice stuff about u
thanks so much!!
today is multiverse monday, send me any au you can think of! :)
cw for bully!sirius. he doesn't hurt her, he just teases her, but if you're uncomfortable with that then don't read. this is your warning, your media consumption beyond this point is your responsibility.
You're already more than ashamed to be crying in the back corner of the library, and that's before Sirius barges his way in. You're not sure how he found you, you'd tucked yourself away snugly behind a shelf. He seems to have a scarily terrific ability to find you wherever you are in the castle, much to both your dismay and delight.
It's not delightful now, though. Not when you want to be alone.
"Well, what have we got here?" His tone is unfortunately sharp today, more so than usual, "Oh, poor thing." He crouches beside you, peering condescendingly at your tearstained cheeks, "Lemme guess. You raised your hand, and the professor didn't call on you. Is that it?"
"Go away." You plead, turning your face away from him against the back of the bookshelf. He scoffs, reaching for your face and turning it back towards him.
"C'mon, out with it. Really, what's got you crying?"
"It's none of your business," You try, but he tightens his hold on your face ever-so-slightly, and you quiet down.
"Your business is my business," He murmurs, "That's why I'm always in it. Spit it out."
"I just got a bad grade! Okay? I got a bad grade, and I don't feel good about it. And I'm not used to not feeling good about my grades," You sniffle, wiping beneath your nose with the sleeve of your robe, "It's just new and I hate it."
"Bollocks," Sirius studies your face for a second after you confess, trying to decipher if you're lying. But you're not, and he knows it.
"You got a bad grade? Little Miss Fuckin' Perfect got a bad grade? What's bad to you, a 95? Is 89 enough to send you to your grave?"
"I got a forty!" You barely refrain from wailing in the quiet library, hissing miserably instead, "And it was a really important exam. Just leave me alone, you're making this worse."
"You can't possibly be crying over one 40%," Sirius gives you a disgruntled look, "You think that's gonna change anything? You're annoyingly smart, this is never gonna happen again and you'll probably raise the grading curve for the next exam just like you always do. Suppose I should be thanking you for lowering it this time, actually."
"Sirius-"
"Pull yourself together," He narrows his eyes, leaning in so close that you can feel his breath hit your skin, "Dust yourself off, and get off the floor. You're a big girl, yeah?"
You nod in his grip, "Mhm."
"Then act like one," He lets you go, "Come on, off your arse. It'd be a pity if you flattened the thing, 'might have to pitch myself off the astronomy tower."
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Someone brought up the question of why the Marauders might have opted to distort “Severus” into “Snivellus”, so I just decided to look up the definition and these were the first that popped up:
: to run at the nose.
: to snuff mucus up the nose audibly : snuffle.
: to cry or whine with snuffling.
: to speak or act in a whining, sniffling, tearful, or weakly emotional manner.
In summary; it seems that “to snivel” means “to cry so hard one runs at the nose”.
That is so sad. To me this implies that they bullied Severus so cruelly that he sobbed uncontrollably, and then they gave him a nickname over it. Perhaps he cried on the Hogwarts express after what James and Sirius said to him or when they tried to trip him. Either way it’s heartbreaking to me that he endured this insult of vulnerability all his life. Like “hahaha you cried so hard your nose is running” how sad. How freaking sad.
@automaticcroissantbatsludge this post is really for you.
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