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bucky-boychik-barnes · 3 months

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I really need to figure out religion in Pockets verse.

I don't think there would be any major change to any religion, if only because I am not smart enough about any religion to make that call. But like - if Bucky is Jewish, and Steve is Catholic, what does that mean for Booky and Steeb when it comes time to go to synangogue or church?

Bucky would make sure Steeb would have a tiny kippah out of respect, but does Bucky having a Catholic Pocket cause issues? Does Steeb leave Booky in a safe place outside the church, or just in the doorway, and sit near the back to stay close to him? (Would Steve have to find a church that wouldn't make a fuss about having a Jewish Pocket?)

Midnight musings.

#my writing #pocket soulmates #mcu pocket soulmates #bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky #jewish bucky barnes #catholic steve rogers

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creativealmonds · 10 months

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Steve Rogers: What Was and What Is

Warnings for mention of rape. It’s mentioned and used as an example. I’m not saying the person was right; he was wrong, and nobody deserves that and never will deserve that.

Modern Steve Rogers and Steve Rogers 1930s addition meet.

It could be a dream, or it could be time travel bullshit. Endgame or pre-civil war shenanigans

Steve, 6’2, 240 lb, strong and healthy as an ox and horse, respected and admired; meets Steve, 5’4, 95 lb, a disabled, sickly scrap of a kid with too big a mouth and not enough sense to step down.

The way I see it, in the first movie, Steve wanted to be somebody more than himself. Somebody that people would listen to. Bucky tells him, “You’ve got nothin to prove.” But in Steve’s eyes, he wants to be respected without having to kick and fight for it. People see him and see a weak man; to those people, the weak are not respected.

Post serum Steve has that respect, but it’s respect for Captain America. The personality and persona of the first Avengers movies, “Language!”, of that white, American man, not from anywhere specific to America, just America, that stands up for American beliefs. The people like Coulson want him to sign stuff and speak on behalf of their causes, not because they want Steve Rogers’ opinion but because they want Captain America’s backing.

Steve gets the respect he wanted, along with hero worship, awe, and someone who is not a person but a title, a set of ideals.

In Greek mythology, Zeus sleeps with moral women, with and without their consent, and Hera punishes the women and their children for this. On a moral, human level, Hera would be a victim-blaming shrew, and Zeus would be a serial rapist.

But the Greeks weren’t interested in what these people would be as people. Zeus and Hera are mouthpieces that the authors are using to get a story across. The gods in ancient Greek myth weren’t good; they weren’t ideals to strive for; they were a reflection of the world they lived in.

The Ancient Greeks didn’t treat women well, and Zeus reflected that. Hera was the goddess of marriage. Anyone breaking their marriage vows would have desiccated her domain.

Captain America is like Zeus and Hera in the way his image has been used for years to oust certain ideas and beliefs. He’s respected, and people listen when he speaks.

There’s a purity to Steve in the first movie; he’s an idealist who believes in the good of others. By the time he goes back in time and steals the tesseract from himself, he’s tired and worn out. Slowly, we see him change from an idealist to an idealist that knows that ideals can’t change things on their own.

He knows he has power. In civil war, all he has to do is ask people to join him, and they do. Some of that is Captain America mystique, but once the rose-tinted venire comes off, people see the same Steve Rogers from 1930s Brooklyn.

I wonder sometimes what he thinks about. “Would they listen to me if I didn’t look like this? If the serum had kept me the same size, but I still got the strength?”

Because he was disabled. He wasn’t given the time of day. Some fans speculate that he was premature, and his mother might have been told to let him die. That he was too much trouble, that he would have too many health issues, that he would cost too much money, and that he wasn't worth keeping alive. Some fans speculate that he is an Irish Catholic, the son of immigrants. In that time, being an Irish immigrant was bad enough; add Catholic on to it, and he’s fighting an uphill battle starting at the bottom of a creek. A poor kid, disabled, and part of a marginalized group would crave respect—to be looked in the eye and not seen as some bug under someone else’s shoe. That type of thing isn’t easily forgotten.

I can see pre-Steve seeing his future self, what he could be, and asking questions. How did this happen, when did it happen, and what changes? The man he wanted to be is standing in front of him.

Post Steve is seeing who he once was. A kid that doesn’t know what the world can throw at him—the world war, fighting best friend, dying, getting thrown in the future, several alien invasions, super hero shenanigans—is green, naive, and hopeful, and he sees how far he’s come. He’s still Steve “I can do this all day” Rogers but that shine has come off the world. He knew it was there before; he lived in America during the Great Depression and World War II and didn’t take shit from bullies. He knows that the world is cruel. And that sometimes you can’t stop people from being hurt, that you can’t fix things, and that no matter how hard you fight, you can lose everything.

I want to see how future Steve would see his past self and how past Steve would see his future self. The wonder and not quite belief that this person is you. The nostalgia and reflection of what made you who you once were.

If a fanfic got written about this or something in this ballpark, I would read it immediately.

#steve rogers #captain america #avengers #marvel cinematic universe #mcu #Irish Steve rogers #Catholic Steve rogers #Irish Catholic Steve rogers #Post serum Steve rogers #Pre serum Steve rogers #Time travel

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aurorasulphur · 9 months

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Got to blow a buddy's mind today by pointing out that Steve Rogers went in the ice to the Latin Mass and defrosted post-"and with your spirit".

And like, woke up ~50 years after Vatican II was done and dusted. The old man priest at your childhood parish who was born in 1915? A contemporary of Steve.

#vatican ii #steve rogers #catholic steve rogers #an aurora original #quit writing steve as matt murdock 2k23

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writeyourdarlings · 5 months

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catholic steve rogers

#casually launching my catholic boy before new year #he’s very dear to me #novembersippedaway #steve rogers fanart #steve rogers #captain america fanart #mcu fanart

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hainethehero · 6 months

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Bucky shouldn'tve been in there. Steve's room.

But the idiot had been avoiding him for three months now. And so he thought he'd pay a visit. Unfortunately, Steve was off doing God knows what so, he thought he'd laze around by the time, wait for his pal. It had been about an hour, when he'd heard something clatter from inside Steve's bedroom.

He quickly put down the coffee he'd helped himself to and gingerly approached the location of the sound. Steve's room smelt of sweet vanilla and peppermint. It looked cosy, soft white walls, a king sized bed with baby blue quilts and even softer looking pillows. The walk-in closet door was slightly ajar, with the sleeve of a plaid shirt poking out and a pair of running shoes just on the threshold.

Must've been in a rush this morning, Bucky thinks with a fond huff.

He walks over to the side of the bed closest to the window where the curtains are billowing like sails in the wind. Steve must've really been in a rush to leave his window open. He reaches out to shut the window when something shimmering on the floor catches his eye.

It's a small book. Leather-bound and tan with gold script embossed on the front. Bucky's mind provides a memory of Sarah Rogers walking with it everywhere she went. Of tiny Steve reading from it while he waited at the hospital for his mother after her evening shifts. If memory served him correctly- and these days it occasionally did- they'd buried the prayer book with Sarah when she died. Steve had told him to.

He must've really searched for this one then, Bucky realizes wistfully. His chest twinges at the thought of Steve waking up from the ice, lost and confused and trying his best to find anything and anyone to reconnect with his past again. Then he frowns. If Steve was so desperate to reconnect with his past, he wouldn't be avoiding Bucky right now. It's a bitter thought that seems too harsh in the soft and peaceful aura of Steve's room, so he quickly picks up the book. He eyes the open Bible on Steve's nightstand, a blue-beaded rosary with a celtic cross resting atop crisp pages.

Steve had never been as religious as his mother, but perhaps the future had changed his mind. Bucky knows it had changed him. Maybe Steve thought that going back to his Irish catholic roots again would somehow bring some closure. The thought doesn't comfort Bucky nearly as much as it should, because he knows Steve's been avoiding him, the one person who could probably share in his despair and loneliness and grant him some closure.

He sighs, moving to rest the prayer book back on the nightstand when he notices a word just barely concealed beneath the raised cover of the small prayer book.

Bucky. It says Bucky.

He frowns, reaching for the book again, every voice in his head screaming at him to leave it alone. That this was Steve's private stuff and he shouldn't be prying like some crazy obsessed person. But a part of him- the part that sort of resented Steve for avoiding him like the plague- won out. He opened the book.

Bucky's Prayer, it said, written in Steve's semi-neat scrawl.

The next line is a subheading that reads, "Prayer for Forgiveness."

It goes, "Jesus, forgive my sins. Forgive the sins that I can remember, and also the sins I have forgotten. Forgive the wrong actions I have committed, and the right actions I have omitted. Forgive the times I have been weak in the face of temptation, and those when I have been stubborn in the face of correction. Forgive the times I have been proud of my own achievements, and those when I have failed to boast of your works. Forgive the harsh judgements I have made of others, and the leniency I have shown to myself. Forgive the lies I have told to others, and the truths I have avoided. Forgive me the pain I have caused others, and the indulgence I have shown to myself. Jesus have pity on me, and make me whole."

Bucky knows it from the many times he'd go to church with Steve. Prayers for forgiveness were particularly popular during war-times as many women, children and men who weren't able to join in the war effort were encouraged to pray for their soldiers on the front lines. Steve used to tell him how he knew his mother would go to confessional, to pray for her husband and her ailing son. She often asked for forgiveness. As if it was her fault the way things had turned out.

He reads a line from the prayer again, one that Steve had underlined in blue ink, an anger building within his chest.

"Forgive me for the pain I have caused others, and the indulgence I have shown to myself."

Did Steve feel that way? And why the hell was it called Bucky's Prayer?

He turns the page and sees another subheading, "Intercession." He knew that as the part where the preacher would ask the congregation to say specific prayers for certain things and people they'd wished to pray for, or intercede. The next few lines make him sick.

"For Bucky,

I pray that his mind is healed in totality,

I pray he feels whole again,

I pray he feels loved again,

I pray he never feels alone again,

I pray he never has nightmares again,

And I pray he forgives me for my transgressions, for the pain I've caused him, though I don't deserve it. Amen."

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catholic-character-tournament · 1 year

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Hi, sorry, this is about Steve Rogers one - he's technically supposed to be Jewish, but the mcu changed it so he could be "more relatable." This wouldn't be the first time they did it.

Nope! IRL context, Captain America was created by two Jewish men to be war propaganda to get Americans to join WWII. He's was created as the All American guy because (surprise!) Americans in 1940s did not care about the holocaust, that was Europe's problem. (x) (x) (whaaat? Americans were[are] anti-semitic/racist/homophobic?? Can't believe it). The US did not enter WWII because they wanted to stop a great evil. They entered because their colony-- sorry I mean, military base got bombed. The best way to get americans to care is to make a guy just like them fr.

I asked some friends about this and they said "Steve is Catholic with a recessive trait of written by Stan Lee so Jewish coded anyways somehow bc Stan Lee can't stop making everybody speak Yiddish"

In universe context, Steve's parents immigrated from Ireland in the 1920s. There's debate on whether he's protestant or Catholic but I'm on team Cap-is-Catholic. @historicallyaccuratesteve has a good post about this

Avengers #14 2019

(2009 Ultimate run, pre Avengers movie)

#anyways he lost to a cat #long lives the cct tradition of actual catholic losing to a cat #captain america #steve rogers #asks #anon

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amarriageoftrueminds · 1 year

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Joseph Rogers & America:

Follow up to this ask about Steve and Bucky’s extended family from pre-war.

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In CATFA, Steve said his dad was injured by mustard gas in WWI, but was in the 107th infantry, an American regiment, not an Irish one.

On the face of it, that makes it look like Joseph Rogers must have been in NYC from at least March 1917, possibly as late as Oct 1917 (since America only joined WWI in April 1917, but didn't deploy until 20 November).

However...

If Joseph was living in Ireland between 1914-1918 then he would’ve been drafted into a UK Regiment before he could emigrate to America (since Ireland was then still part of the UK). Even as a resident alien in America, if he hadn’t already declared intent to become a US citizen he would’ve been subject to the UK’s draft instead.

So even though America didn’t join the war until 1917, to have avoided the UK draft altogether Joseph probably has to have been in New York since at least 1914... unless, as said, he emigrated later but had already declared intent to become a US citizen.

(My first thought was that Sarah must have been with him, but not necessarily... She and Joseph could’ve married in Ireland, then he could have emigrated first, before her, to earn enough money to bring her along. Her alienation from an extended family network could’ve been because of this, or some other reason.)

Joseph and Sarah would’ve known from April 1917 that Joseph was going to be deployed with the US Army.

So if you believe the DOB for Steve being July 4 1918, then we know Joseph and Sarah must've been in the same place on Oct 7, 1917.

(Or a little later, if Steve was born premature, which is another possibility. Unless Steve’s real DOB is something else in 1918. But which months it could’ve been are severely limited by the dates of Joseph’s potential deployments.)

Which puts the date of Steve's ‘official’ conception right before Joseph could conceivably have first been deployed (Nov 1917).

That to me suggests a certain urgency.

If Sarah wasn’t already with Joseph in NYC by then, she definitely emigrated at the very latest in October 1917.

It’s a potentially quite bittersweet scenario of Sarah going by boat all the way to America to be with her husband, only for her husband to be almost immediately shipped off to Europe to fight in the war. 😕

#historically accurate stucky tag #irish steve #steve rogers #steve meta #joseph rogers #sarah rogers #joseph rogers meta #sarah rogers meta #mcu meta #meta #mcu #barring visits she would’ve been alone for the entire term of her pregnancy #(and it’s possible Joseph received his injury before Steve was born too just to make matters even worse!)#like to think of them as being a star-crossed protestant/catholic couple #hence the apparent lack of family/community support for single mum sarah #apropos of nothing I also like to hc that their real names were seosamh and saoirse but they anglicized them when they emigrated #it's also possible that she and steve were alienated from the local irish catholic community...#by the antisemitism rife (but not universal) among the irish-catholics of nyc at the time #(see 'neighbors in conflict' by ronald h. bayo for more info)#not sure where I'm going with this I just thought it was interesting...#my meta

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introspectivememories · 2 years

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i hate it when people make the joke like "oh steve rogers is a right-wing conservative" like shut up shut up Shut Up!!! just say you know nothing about steve rogers and go! steve is actively cussing out his landlord for putting the rent too high. steve is beating the shit out of neo-nazis. the first time steve is talking about the 40s at like colombia or whatever and some dude asks "what do you think would've happend if hitler won?" he's halfway over the table, about to beat the shit out that man, before he realizes that civilians are off-limits. tucker carlson hates him! steve rogers is at every anti-war protrest he can find. the first press confrence the avengers do, steve leans into the mike unprompted and says "unionize. they wouldn't hate it so much if it didn't work." then two seconds later leans in again and says "also, i dont agree with what we're doing in the middle east. stop using my image as propaganda. i will sue." stevie, babyboy, get behind me.

#none of you get him like i do #that man is a full on leftist and to portray him as anything else is a diservice to his character #his side of the room back in the 40s was plastered with pages from the catholic worker #he cried the first time he met dorothy day #pepper tries to do damage control but steve just looks her in the eye and says 'im not apologizing'#also he does sue #steve rogers #comic.rambles

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gay-jewish-bucky · 1 year

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I have a soft spot for Bucky re-embracing Judaism, becoming more observant than he was before, with Steve wholeheartedly supporting him through his journey, not just engaging with observance at home, but also coming with him to Shul for Shabbat and holidays and Steve seeing how important faith is for Bucky's healing and identity being a driving reason why he reconnects with Irish Catholicism; which he totally abandoned after losing Bucky the first time.

He's still not tied to the faith to the degree he was before he lost his Ma, he doesn't think he ever will be, but attending mass on the major holidays is still important to him in feeling connected to his roots. Bucky supports him just as wholeheartedly (and he tries to find ways to honour that while raising their kids as Jews), though from the comfortable distance he's always kept due to halachic requirement, instead encouraging him to branch out and him finding kinship in his faith struggles with Matt Murdock.

#marvel #mcu #bucky #bucky barnes #james bucky barnes #james buchanan barnes #jewish bucky #jewish bucky barnes #jewish!bucky #jewish!bucky barnes #stevebucky #stucky #catholic steve rogers #matt murdock #Assorted Jewish Writings - Marriage/Family/Home

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evilhorse · 8 months

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Is the Pope Catholic?

#captain america #nomad #steve rogers #serpent squad #is the pope catholic?#duh #steve englehart #frank robbins #marvel comics #comics #70s comics #bronze age comics #dat rack

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chekhovs-slinky · 2 years

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guys you don’t get it Steve speaks Irish he does we just haven’t seen it yet because everyone forgot to tell him Irish people aren’t oppressed anymore bro trust me please—

#steve rogers #marvel #irish catholic #Irish Steve Rogers #he’s canonically the son of Irish immigrants #why wouldn’t he know Irish #also Bucky is Jewish in my canon but that’s unrelated

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yesand87 · 2 years

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💪Why Heroes Pick an Alley Fight

To Stop Bullies: Steve Rogers, Oliver Queen

To Eat: Venom, Peter Parker*

To Look Tough: Dick Grayson

To Have Fun: Harleen Quinzel

To Protect Cats: Selina Kyle, Starfire

To Punish: Clint Barton, Frank Castle

To Punish Himself: Matt Murdock

*Peter gets free food from Wade on patrol

#and now i have to tag everyone #steve rogers #oliver queen #venom #peter parker #wade wilson #dick grayson #harleen quinzel #selina kyle #starfire #clint barton #frank castle #matt murdock #catholic guilt

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bedlamsbard · 1 year

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I spent too much time having to look up information on WWII dog tags and now I can INSTANTLY spot when someone (artists, pin makers, fic writers, people who make novelty dog tags) has used the wrong format for Steve’s WWII dog tags. :/

The U.S. Army changed their format for dog tags -- officially identification tags -- several times over the course of the war, including changing the order of the name, whether the home address was included, forms of service numbers...the screen-used dog tags from Camp Lehigh somewhat infamously have a nonexistent service number (probably because they didn’t want to accidentally use a real one), but Steve would have gotten a new service number when he was commissioned anyway (by 1943 officer service numbers didn’t begin with O-, but his would begin with 0). Steve’s Camp Lehigh set might have still had his next-of-kin’s address on them (the screen-used ones do not), but he also does not have next-of-kin, so there’s that. (Not his home address, his next-of-kin’s.) His later ones would not have because they stopped putting the address on in July 1943. Unless he got new ones issued in mid-1944, all of those would have his name as STEVEN G ROGERS, but if he had to get a new set issued after March 1944, they would have his name as ROGERS, STEVEN G. They would have the date of his last tetanus vaccine (T42 or T41, whenever), plus the booster if applicable, his blood type, and his religion (P (Protestant), C (Catholic), H (Jewish, the H stands for Hebrew), NP (no preference), or blank). They would not have his rank or his branch of service or the fact he’s a super soldier on there.

The current format for dog tags has changed since WWII, so if Steve had new tags issued in 2012, they would not be the same as his WWII tags. (Presumably the ones he is wearing in the last scene of CATFA are a replica of his WWII tags, but if the Army issued him new tags after that, they would be different -- they would also actually not be the same as those used today, because the format has changed since then. more options for religion now too.)

#steve's tags in horizon 17 are a u.s. army set issued in 2012 #which natasha says but you can tell because they have his ssn on them not the dod id number used after 2015 #steve's tags in home are a new set issued in 1945 and thus have his name surname first name middle #and he makes the 'they finally got my religion right' crack on the page because tbh the army DID screw up a lot #where I fall on the great 'is steve rogers catholic or protestant' debate is covered in home #adventures in accountability #anyway may I recommend doing a normal amount of research for minor details?#can't relate #right now I am looking up vintage tiffany engagement rings from the 1940s

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side-b-bumblebi · 1 year

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Side B Steve Rogers headcanons:

Steve had crushes on guys from a young age, but he never realized they were crushes and it confused him why he felt pretty much the same towards men and women. But because he didn't want women to think he was hitting on them out of nowhere, he was shyer around them, so he figured that meant he was perfectly hetero until—nope.

Steve's mother ended up finding out about him being bi. She decided to be a good mentor to him and loved and supported him. That made losing her even harder.

Steve had a crush on Bucky for a time and it wasn't until he got over the crush that he finally came out to Bucky. Bucky was just like, "Bro, I know, did you just realize that??" Bucky keeps Steve's secret faithfully and accepts Steve's choice to stand by his religious beliefs.

Even though Steve is Side B and therefore doesn't have relationships with men for religious reasons, his experiences with being bi have made him vehemently anti-queerphobia. He ended up getting a reputation for standing up for gay soldiers in the military. While some of the soldiers were stuck in their ways, others came to talk to him and educate themselves and became allies to the gay soldiers, even though they were straight. Steve became something of a counselor for gay soldiers during the war — and their biggest ally. The U.S. government didn't dare try anything when Captain America stood up for the little guy. He was the country's darling.

Steve has a green rosary with a little golden crucifix that his mother brought over from Ireland and gave to him. When he misses her or is having a PTSD episode or has fallen back into depression, he pulls it out and kisses the crucifix. It makes him feel closer to her and to God. He keeps it on him at all times. Some days when he feels exhausted and lonely and thinks nobody will understand his being Side B, he gives it a little squeeze and remembers his mom.

One time when Natasha was trying to set Steve up, she jokingly suggested a man. Steve said, "No, but it's nice to see you're picking up on my type." Natasha was confused for months.

Steve is very open about his sexuality at his local church because he knows how much the taboos of the day negatively impacted his mental health. He serves as a mentor to many Side B people not only in his church, but in other churches in the area. He ended up starting a Side B club at his church where they watch movies and eat snacks and read books and discuss their experiences. Steve is proud of being able to give these people what he never had, especially young people since he doesn't want them to be saddled with the years of unlearning toxicity that he was stuck with. But he also finds it's incredibly healing for himself as well. Young LGBT+ people at his church look up to him and often go to him for advice and understanding. He's their biggest hero.

Feel free to add on!! :)

#side b catholic #side b christian #side b lgbt #side b bisexual #side b positivity #side b steve rogers

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princelycannibal · 1 year

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a little sketchy boy of texan!steve and bucky drinking together :) its been a long day for both of them

#cannibal.me #the avengers #Bucky Barnes #steve rogers #stucky #texan au #buckys family has a dairy farm :) and chickens #mcu fanart #my brother said steve looks racist and i almost cried #steves still irish catholic hes just... in texas now

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endgame-steve-is-not-real · 2 years

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and i love gay jewish bucky and his queer irish-catholic husband steve in this chillis tonight/this morning

Same story every morning/night. I will always love them🥰🥰

#stucky #stevebucky #gay jewish bucky my beloved #irish catholic steve my beloved #nice ppl #steve rogers #bucky barnes

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