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it's funny how terf logic somehow is like "if you say 'people with vaginas' or 'people who give birth' then you're reducing women to their genitals and women are so much more than that so you are actually being sexist by using that phrase"
While ALSO going "your genitals define who you are as a person so I don't care how you 'identify' or if you 'feel like' something else because having a vagina makes you a WOMAN and having a penis makes you a MAN and that is ALL YOU'LL EVER BE"
#its ridiculous lmao#the logic makes no sense#terfs#dni if you're a terf/radfem im not in the mood for a debate#transphobia#text post
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I'm watching a youtube video and they started talking about all the shit in harry potter that just didn't make any fuckin sense, and while I don't believe that the "the books have actually been bad this whole time" sentiment is helpful in the argument against jkr, it is sort of insane that for the like 20 years before she went fully mask off terf everyone just didn't question any of the wild inconsistencies in the books 😭
#I say this as someone who liked harry potter for YEARS and didn't question any of the inconsistencies until she went fully mask of terf#theres a certain amount of suspension of disbelief that has to go into consuming a fantasy work#and it's common among many pieces of media to indulge tropes that maybe don't actually make the most logical or practical sense#but hearing them talk about all the stuff I'm like. Yeah Hey Wait A Second#like I don't think its helpful for critiques of jkrs transmisogyny to include 'and the books always sucked anyway!'#outside from how her transphobia was present in them and the other bigotry throughout the books#because plenty of media is Bad and still beloved regardless (looking at you star wars)#I love plenty of media that just like objectively sucks#but it is insane that so many ppl dismiss jkrs terfisms to defend liking her books as if they're the best series to bless planet earth#when in reality they are full of things to critique the quality of#anyway.#ghost posts#text
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Just heard the news about WB telling Misha Collins to pretend he's bisexual.
I mean there's token representation and then there's "okay no homos onscreen but maybe if we make the actor queer." 🤣🤣🤣
#bishagate#misha collins#good GODS#original#I mean there's been given crumbs and then there's being given a picture of some crumbs XD#holy shit#destiel as a concept drives me insane bc the way it was written and handled doesn't even make sense by the rules of capitalism!#you're supposed to excuse your homophobia by saying that queer characters would lower your profits!!!#it! doesn't! make! sense! to exclude queer characters at the expense of#the biggest profit opp I've ever seen any company leave on the table!#I know homophobia isn't logical but it was and is just cartoonishly bad business sense it drives me crazy#how I wish I could go on national television and personally call this out. presumably after I cover other more important topics but#I just cannot fucking fathom this one it doesn't make any sense men are so so stupid#homophobes are the stupidest people on earth besides terfs
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Honestly finding it funny the “gender critical” witches on tumblr are doing their absolute best to use their spirituality to preserve their ignorance. Like …. Hmmm wonder what that’s reminiscent of
#lokean#Terf/ swerf witches don’t make logical sense in my brain I’m sorry#terfs don’t interact#witchblr
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I’m sorry but in the notes of that post
In what way is being trans a pivotal aspect of the patriarchy. Girl what
#pointlesspointless#i know they are a terf and that’s why they said it#but really what’s the logic there.#doesn’t make any damn sense
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going thru a terf blocking spree and it hurts seeing these somewhat intelligent women throw logic and reason out the window purely to hate people
#like. you could poke holes in their logic and point out that theyre often jumping to conclusions with no evidence or research for days and#they dont seem to realize that just bc theyre smart doesnt mean theyre incapable of being stupid#because often these are intelligent women#theyre smart and they know this but they dont realize their failings#and i know part of it is self defense#the whole leopard eating faces party thing#and thats a bit sad isnt it?#that theyre so willing to forfeit their logic and reason and intelligence to uphold the very thing they hate?#i think about the time i saw a terf argue for something that would be wonderful for trans people a lot#the idea of a world where gender doesnt impact anyone or mean anything#i wonder if that person ever realizes thats what we want too#idk#getting sad over the fact that people choose to be awful even when they have the potential to be good#dont mistake this for terf apologia btw#what they stand for is vile and hateful#and id never go out of my way to interact with any of these women because i know theyll never change their mind like that#but sometimes i wonder if they ever realize#like. do they realize just how far theyve strawmanned us?#do they realize all the examples they give are outliers?#idk im rambling and im not sure all this makes sense#just. god damn these people need to live in reality for a bit
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Gender essentialism is a social cancer.
Just saw a post on Lex that was basically a transmasc person asking the queer community at large to stop excluding them because they pass as a cis man. They asked that we maybe stop coming down on trans men, masc NBs, hell, even trans women who don't know they're trans yet.
And…yeah. I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. Tbh I think that should also include cis men who aren't straight, because they are part of the LGBTQIA+ community.
I think what's vastly more important than whether someone has a masculine identity is whether or not they're explicitly being toxically masculine. Wanting more body hair isn't toxic, wanting a flat chest isn't toxic, wanting to enjoy more "masculine" activities and be seen as one of the guys isn't toxic. SIMPLY BEING A MAN IS NOT TOXIC.
Anytime I've seen someone insist otherwise, it's been someone closely tied to—if not within—radfem/TERF circles. The logic that leads people to say masculine traits == bad is the same as the logic that results in having penis == bad, yet for some reason the former is treated as common sense even in queer circles. We're supposed to be rejecting gender norms, not reinforcing them dammit.
What's bad, what's toxic, is possessiveness. Needless aggression. Unchecked jealousy. Entitlement (especially sexual entitlement). None of these are inherently masculine traits.
It's one thing to be cautious of cis men, who more often than not have accepted masculinity as the default rather than a conscious choice, and may have learned more toxic traits as a result. But you don't know who is or isn't trans.
You don't know how that "cis man" actually identifies. Even if you do, you don't know whether or not he's examined his gender identity and decided he's happy where he is. You don't know whether or not he's actually possessive or entitled or aggressive. Making such assumptions is no better than assuming that a woman will be shy and submissive.
You don't know, and it's not your place to decide.
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Poly! Jegulus x gn! Reader - When there is no logic, look deeper
A/n: I decided to go with a different analogy for James's and Regulus's relation than I normally do (and what everyone else normally does.) So have fun with this little drabble!
Summary: Your relationship with James and Regulus through Remus's perspective.
Warnings: Swearing, brief mentions of child abuse, brief mentions of mental health issues (if you squint,) I think that's it? You have been warned!
The Three P's:
[Pronouns used: you/your] [Pov: 2nd person] [Pairings: (romantic!) (poly!) jegulus x reader, (romantic!) wolfstar, (platonic!) marauders]
I do NOT support J. K. Rowling, or any transphobic/homophobic things she says (or anything she says really), or TERFS!
Regulus and James fit together, in a neat messy puzzle. James's darker skin contrasting with Regulus's more pale, like the sun and it's moon. Recently, Remus had been reading some muggle plays of man named Shakespeare, and just by looking at the two, he could tell that he would've written down every piece of their love story, until he knew it by heart.
The enigma, the question, he just couldn't find the answer to was you, because Regulus and James were different sides of the same coin. Slytherin and Gryffindor, light and dark, sun and moon. You just didn't fit as nicely into the big picture.
That's what he used to think anyway, before the marauders and everyone else had gotten to know you. To Remus, he used to think of you as a temporary escape for the two boys, as you were the only one out of the three who had a normal life. It was harsh, but it was the only answer to the equation he could come up with.
Remus's life hadn't been full of answers, maybe that's why he tried to find the solution, so there would be no more variables. So he didn't have to attempt to find the solution later, when they most needed it most. So maybe, just once his life could be left with more answers than questions.
Action reaction, like getting bit by a werewolf - he was one of them now. Finding Sirius, James, and Peter on the train - becoming friends. Gaining feelings for Padfoot, confessing them and becoming a couple. (Okay, maybe there were multiple steps to that equation.) Everything had a solution, something he liked to find to keep himself sane. When everything else in his life was swirled with insanity.
You fitting into the equation didn't follow a path of logic, it was completely and utterly crazy.
Now, he sees what he didn't before, the way you would stay with James even when the smile slipped from his lips. How you would listen to Regulus, and give him space to talk about his family troubles, why he stayed.
You would let James cry, and make Regulus giggle, the planets didn't just revolve around the sun now. Now the moon and it's star revolved around you.
You were a nebula, because when a person looked at you, they gasped in wonder. Everything unknown and beautiful was you, a glittering cloud of normalcy and love. Nurturing but fleeting if need be.
One time, Sirius said he and his brother were the stars, and you only laughed, shaking your head.
"Regulus is like the moon, for so long we thought we couldn't reach him, until we did."
Remus's boyfriend looked startled, Remus could agree with the feeling. How had you, just made sense of someone so complex, with so many strings and layers, with just a sentence?
The werewolf wanted to see how you would respond if he asked you about everybody at Hogwarts, about the ministry, his family. Instead, he asked you about your other boyfriend.
"James?" You smiled softly, and for some reason it warmed Remus's heart, that when you thought about his friend, you immediately were happy. As if just thinking about him was enough to revel in his sunlight.
"James is the sun, he's bright, but sometimes his brilliance gets the peoples eyes, it can annoy them. Until he gets farther away." You still had a pleasant look upon your face, but your eyes were brightly alight with sadness. "Then it's winter, and they long for summer again, because then the sun could be there to warm them a second time. Regardless of its blinding sunlight."
Remus thinks, that was the moment that he started to understand why James and Regulus had both fallen for you. You were the beautiful unknown, a nebula, out of reach, but oh, so beautiful to gaze upon.
Remus still didn't quite comprehend how you fit into the grand scheme of things, but he thinks, he starting to see the big picture.
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Hp Taglist: @regulusblackswhorecrux
#delusion writes#jegulus#starchaser#wolfstar#marauders#marauders x reader#platonic! remus lupin x reader#poly! jegulus x reader#poly! jegulus x gn! reader#jegulus x reader#james potter x reader#james potter x gn! reader#regulus black x reader#regulus black x gn! reader#james potter x regulus black#james potter x regulus black x reader#james x regulus#james x regulus x reader#marauders era#harry potter#fuck jkr#hp#harry potter fandom#harry potter x reader
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One Challenge For People Who Deny Transandrophobia
I have one challenge for anyone and everyone who denies transandrophobia for any reason that has to do with transmasc advocacy allegedly harming trans women. Seeing as you all are very adamant in your stance against trans men demanding basic respect in queer spaces, this should not be difficult for you to do if you have thought about your reasoning for holding such opinions.
My challenge for all of you is to answer this one question:
What is one way that transmasc activism harms trans women directly, or is transmisogynistic in some way?
Now, because I know that some people will put together words that don't make sense to avoid answering the question but sound intellectual, here are some logical fallacies that your answer must avoid for me to consider it completing the challenge:
You must not include any criticism of the word transandrophobia that does not meaningfully engage with the activism and discussions that trans men have been having.
No comparisons to any sort of hate groups (MRAs, TERFs, etc). Point out the specific ideas that you disagree with instead of saying "this is just like [x]."
You cannot cherry-pick the concept of intersectionality or cite any particular white woman's interpretation of the ideas proposed by Kimberle Crenshaw to discredit transmasc advocacy without engaging with the new ideas we have put forth.
No whataboutisms; do not base your argument around the idea that trans women should be centered in trans men's spaces and discussions.
Avoid making use of a strawman. Try to think of the most compelling argument you've seen for the existence of transandrophobia and refute that instead of trying to attack the weakest possible argument (that probably hasn't been made in good faith).
Acknowledge the fact that closeted, non-passing, and passing trans men exist, and do not treat non-passing trans men as having a less legitimate male or trans experience than those who pass. Don't bring up passing trans men to say that all trans men have male privilege, because just like trans women, trans men who pass still face transphobia.
No projection of cisgender dynamics of gender and sexuality onto trans spaces, as while those aren't totally irrelevant, they are irrelevant to whether or not transandrophobia is a thing that exists.
Acknowledge that trans men are oppressed by misogyny, just like trans women and transfems are. Also, acknowledge the existence of intersex trans men and trans men of color.
Don't bring up individual trans men who have done certain bad things that do not implicate the entire area of transmasc activism or transandrophobia theory.
Do not mention Israel or Palestine, or bring up other irrelevant issues that you may disagree with me or other prominent trans men in these spaces on.
As stated, all that I am looking for is one (1) argument. I have searched through a lot of posts, a lot of articles about this subject, yet I have not found one coherent argument that avoids basic logical fallacies and doesn't just throw words together to sound like it's refuting anything. I can and will respond to all of the arguments that I get that fit this criteria. You can send them to me in asks or in the notes of this post.
#wentz.txt#transandrophobia#queer discourse#intersectional feminism#feminism#long post#i'd love to see people attempt this#i'm willing to have a good faith discussion if you are able to outline literally one talking point that makes any sense + avoids fallacies
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One of my Twitter moots from a previous fandom has gone full TERF.
For some reason they’re still following me even though I tweet about trans stuff, and I’m still following them because I’m morbidly fascinated by their unhinged takes and the takes of people in their orbit.
Like, there’s some tweet from a trans woman about how she carries tampons in her purse because some of her trans masc friends might need one and they don’t usually carry tampons, and the reaction from Terftown is “this is manipulative and predatory male behavior because men want to feel powerful by rescuing damsels in distress.”
Or like, there’s a news story about a masculine nonbinary (presumably afab) person who now gets mistaken for a man after a double mastectomy and has been confronted when they try to use the women’s toilet, and the reaction is “Clearly this person is actually a secret man. They look male to me. Men can get breast cancer too! They say they found the lump when they were playing with their own breast? No REAL WOMAN would do that!” (uh, what?)
It’s a rabbit hole of paranoia and anger and seeing deception and predation everywhere. But the thing is, a lot of it doesn’t sound that different from the unhinged takes I hear from trans-friendly “normal” feminists. It’s just that "normal” feminists (the more extreme ones, anyway) direct this anger and paranoia exclusively toward cis men. The disagreement between them and TERFs is merely who does or doesn’t count as a man. The core attitude of “this group is out to get us and we must be constantly vigilant against them” is the same, and results in the same kind of moon-logic where every innocuous gesture or individual action from a bad actor becomes a sinister psyop of the collective.
If you believe that men as a class are constantly scheming ways to control and subjugate women and invade their spaces and make them doubt their own perceptions of reality, it makes total sense that some men would pretend to be women in order to do this. In a way, TERFs are more consistent about this than other radfems. But they’re consistently wrong because the premise is flawed to begin with.
And yeah, I’ve also seen plenty of this stuff directed toward women in the more toxic MRA and redpill circles. I’m just more familiar with the feminist manifestations of this attitude.
Seeing an entire gender or entire sex as an oppressor/enemy class is the mindkiller.
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Left in response to this post.
Just to make sure I'm following your logic, the fact that a fascist government of a country I do not live in or have anything to do with on the other side of the world says that it represents all Jews, I as a Jewish American citizen, am complicit in said state's war crimes?
Why? Do you hold all diasporic Indonesians responsible for the genocide that country is committing in West Papua? Do you hold all Buddhists accountable for the genocide of the Rohingya in Myanmar? Do you think an international cabal of Jews plotted to make sure Germany lost World War I and agitated for its territorial dismemberment 1919? Do you think I, as an American Jewish person born in 1989, must answer for that Jewish stab in the back? Are you a proponent of collective responsibility and harassment directed at The Jews, to be understood as a body loyal to each other above all else across international lines?
Also, just so you know, I'm a bi woman who has been harassed in this space by TERFs who were furious over my insistence on the term "gender history," over "women's history." But however strangled their logic and violent their language, their nonsense still made more sense than this comment.
#leftist anti-Semites can keep simping i guess#but hitler and tsar nicholas ii would still have them shot
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the funny thing about terfs/radfems is that they'll tell you that you "can't be aromantic/asexual because it goes against human nature," but isn't that *exactly* what homophobes say about gay people? that you *have* to be attracted to someone of the same sex, because otherwise you won't be able to have kids, and that goes against the laws of nature? According to their logic, gay people shouldn't exist either.
Continuing to use their logic, this means that if a lesbian was attracted to a trans woman, that would be okay, because "according to basic biology", they're just "men dressed as women" (false), so they could have kids. but a lesbian being attracted to a cis woman is not okay, because they can't have kids together without extra steps involved.
The fucked up logic of terfs and radfems quite literally doesn't add up. None of it makes any sense, because it all goes against each other.
So yeah, aromantic/asexual people are totally valid, just as valid as lesbians and gay men.
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TERFs will go "when I hide my opinions in terminology that non-radfems don't see for what it is, they agree with me! It just shows my ideas make sense and they're only against me because they got convinced I'm bad for no reason!" as if that's not the exact same logic that neo nazis use.
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Ok listen to anyone reading tho, Voldermort? What the fuck even was that? Rant incoming, keep in mind this is over the top because of how tired I got after 10+ years of people constantly claiming what a fucking good villain Voldermort is just for being from HP. And also the absolutely obnoxious amount of people who used constantly compare literally any "ebil politician from eeby deeby" to Voldermort, before JRK went full mask off terf and misandrist weirdo.
What a shitty ass villain is Voldemort fr fr? Dude gets hyped since book 1 to be some kinda super charisma mastermind, then you meet his edgy emo teen version, people fucking raving. Then? Then book 4-5? One of those, drops one of the most boring ass bitch villains with a shitass excuse. What the fuck was that geriatric snake tiddy sucking fella? Where's the charisma everyone claimed was built up in the previous books? That dude had the charisma of a wrecking ball hitting the local orphanage puppy bakery for nice lil grandmas. If there is something lower than underwhelmed, that's me when I heard about that insult to our beloved snek kind. Leave me alone, snakes are fucking baller. 🐍
No charisma, and his world domination plan was fucking stupid. What the fuck? What a underwhelming villain. The logic for his weird magical racial purity shit was not consistent. Like you'd think a genocidal ethnonationalist maniac would make for an intimidating villain, but that dude couldn't walk up a set of stairs without falling flat on his ass from incompetence.
I'm not surprised that pink cat lady Umbridge is seen as a worse person, yeah yeah you could have a teacher who's a bitch like her, but you'll probably never meet a genocidal dumbass like Voldemort. But fr, Voldermort is just not fucking intimidating and so much of the things that JKR wrote him doing and planning are just fucking stupid. Like, all his lil edgy masked sidekicks have more evil energy, while he's just kinda there, failing. And then they ain't even loyal, because they were fucking kids when they joined him, congrats your army of edgy mask wearers can't even deal with a school of teens.
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again -- when zionists, conservatives, or terfs use bad logic, it's because they fundamentally don't care what the logic says, whether it's internally self-consistent or even at first glance reasonable. the ONLY things that matter to them are whether it makes their in-group look good or their out-group look bad, and whether it has utility to get them closer to their goals or not
everything they say depends only on whether it supports their preselected goal. truth, accuracy, nuance, and material implications of the matter are irrelevant. it's not a philosophy that allows for revised perspective based on new information, that would be seen as a display of weakness
this is one of the most meaningful distinctions between the logical structuring of totalitarian vs liberatory politics and every day i see it getting glossed over: circular-reasoning, garden-path, thought-terminating cliches are very effective at their intended purpose, which is, very simply, to make author and audience feel differently about the topic, so that they can morally absolve themselves of continuing their reprehensible behavior. in many cases this is openly stated! the doubt and confusion attendant to circuitous logic are cast as the devil's brainwash, a dangerous fire to be comprehensively and immediately stamped out. you have to feel it in your chest, the obvious "common sense" truth of the thing you already wanted to believe, and remain steadfast, and obliterate anything that gets in the way of that, no matter the lengths you have to go to get it done
and this is precisely what's capable of persuading people to discard it. isn't it exhausting? this doesn't have to be your circus. you wouldn't need to keep forcing yourself into contortionist acrobatics to constantly devise insubstantial, convoluted and ridiculous talking points to counter an endless litany of obvious facts, you could develop a solid moral core, and the easy, clear, righteous certainty that comes along with it would stand in stark contrast to everything you've ever known. it would be a lot of work, so much that the stress might quite literally cause your heart to fail or your mind to falter, because of how deeply entrenched you have allowed it to become, because you're so steeped in it and unfamiliar with any other habits -- but it is possible
of course the most effective method is being brought to face the way this philosophy hurts someone they love. that's not something that can be engineered through discussion, they have to make the choice to go and face it themselves, and many have been so primed by it that they would rather disown someone than face it. i don't think there's any hope for those people, and there's no point mincing words about it, because the alternative is to waste time on long-lost causes
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hello, terf. i call you a terf because not once, in all the asks you sent to both vrooms and me, did you ever object to being called that, which gives me a pretty clear indication that you know you are a terf, and even more despicably, are happy to be one such. let that be your moniker then, while i tell you a couple of things that you're due to hear, given your audacity in coming into my inbox to slander my friend.
i won't publish your vile ask. it is full of outright lies and slander towards my friend, and it's also filled with the disgusting biological essentialism and dimwitted logic that your kind likes to use to pretend that your bigotry and hatred are justified. i also want the option of blocking you if i so choose :) i will, however, reply to some things you've sent, both to me and to vrooms.
firstly, you absolute piece of shit, vrooms is not a "she". their pronouns (they/them), are in their bio, and this misgendering that you continously do throughout all your asks is the first disgusting clue as to what kind of person you are. (a lousy one, if you haven't gotten that from what i've already written. you can also attach hateful, loathsome, vile, wretched, etc.)
secondly, the fact that you had the audacity to come into my inbox to slander my friend tells me two other things; that you don't know anything about me, and that you aren't very bright. both are a detriment to you, i guess.
thirdly, the fact that you came into my inbox 24hrs after your little terf jerkfest in vrooms' inbox with this bullshit tells me you don't have much of a life, which makes sense. i wouldn't want to spend any time around you and your hatefullness either.
fourth, learn how to argue. learn how not to eat your words in the span of a single sentence and you might then realize that everything you've said is absolute nonsense. you came into an inbox of a psychologist and someone who studied medicine and you're arguing biological essentialism and cognitive differences with us? not the sharpest tool in the shed, huh.
fifth, i saw all your asks. they're as stupid and as nonsensical as i would have expected from someone who subscribes to terf ideology. pathetic.
sixth. if you're going to lie and accuse people of things, maybe don't leave a written trail that can be screenshotted and put out for everyone to see and judge for themselves.
seventh (i like seven, it's a cool number, so it will be the last) - fuck off. fuck off and unlearn your hatred and your bigotry and do some actual work on not being a waste of space and oxygen that you now are, and try and be a better human. because you're a pretty shitty one now.
#some of yall are genuinely stupif#there is no other word to describe this#anyways. this is my little addition to the whole thing and i wouldnt have said anything else if this pos didnt come into my inbox#effervescentdragonrants
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