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bookcrazysongbird · 1 year

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Because history has variable standards of "useful"

Ok, so like, I've been thinking about King Arthur (not consistently or anything, just sort of as a topic that occurs to me every now and then), and in this case I was also thinking more particularly about the joke that you occasionally see in pop culture about Arthur's return: that if X historical tragedy didn't lead to the return of King Arthur, and Y current events aren't going to cause the return of King Arthur, then uh... wtf is the greatest need he'll be returning for? Like– how much worse can it get?

And like, yeah, alright, that's a funny thought, but I got to wondering... what would actually be a circumstance that would cause the return of King Arthur? Or, more particularly, when would it be useful to get King Arthur?

Because, like, modern Britain would not have a lot of use for King Arthur. Can you imagine? Random man appears, even if somehow undeniably through magic, seems to think he can be "in charge" because of a birthright that we do not acknowledge, yeah, good luck with pulling that off without getting some serious ramifications headed your way. (Also no one would believe the magic wasn't a trick somehow, but that aside)

And, yes, okay, that's why a lot of Arthurian adaptations involve a version of Arthur who is born as a person in contemporary society and "realizes who he/she was" (Putting a pin in the proliferation of female reincarnations for some other rant), but– the legend isn't "He will be born again" but rather "He will rise from Albion," right? (If I'm wrong, eh, fair enough, there's some source for any point and its contradiction in Arthurian myth because the myths don't really have a single canon, but that is also a very long tangent)

So the question then becomes– what skillset does Arthur have, and–to reiterate–when will those be useful?

Step one is get the castle building, chainmail wearing, feudal system controlling, vaguely medieval King out of your head, that's a much later invention. Ok- well, sort of. Historically speaking if Arthur is based on a real figure he would have been in 6th century Briton which is technically the middle ages, but not like that. The Middle Ages span a millennium and unless you happen to be a historian (or someone otherwise interested in the time period) you've probably got a very broad picture of what that was and a lot of that probably comes from the latter part. Castles as we now think of them, for example, probably began (according to a cursory google) in 9th century France.

And, to touch on that variable canon, a lot of Arthurian myths are set way later than any historical figure (the character may have originally been based on) would have actually lived (if he did).

Meaning that original!Arthur is, at his most useful, a warlord. A man skilled at leading a nomadic tribe of people, meaning he would need to be good at things like basic strategy and conflict management, survival skills and physical combat, but not someone with a lot of skills applicable to 21st century life.

I mean, no wonder he wouldn't have awoken for the bubonic plague or the world wars, what the hell could he have done in the face of either? So what could he do something about?

When would the people of Britain Albion need a warlord with those skills? Maybe in a post apocalyptic collapse of society when a warlord who is skilled at getting people to follow him (and hopefully also capable of the kind of diplomacy you'd need to bring about a golden age by uniting feuding tribes of people) would actually have applicable skills? I mean, after all, it's not when Albion most needs divine intervention, it's when Albion most needs Arthur.

#give me a post apocalyptic Arthur #who is genuinely doing his best #because honestly even with his skills #I still think watching him adapt to changed social standards #would be funny as all get out #and also have some really poignant potential #arthurian legend #king arthur #things i think about #musings on history #made by someone very underqualified #i know much less about this topic than i think would actually be useful #but i still find it interesting #pseudo analysis #analysis #verging on a writing prompt #writing prompt

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aunmenosheteroenespanol · 1 month

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2.12 Chimney Begins - 2.09 Hen Begins - 2.16 Bobby Begins Again - 7.04 Buck, Bothered and Bewildered

Tommy's family arc

#911 #911edit #911 abc #911 show #911 spoilers #911 season 7 #tommy kinard #evan buckley #evan 'buck' buckley #kinley #bucktommy #kinkley #tevan #pick a ship name you guys and thanks for picking tevan the most correct name #anyway analysis time!#looking back with Modern Knowledge tm about why tommy acts the way he does in the past... babygirl you were so closeted I'm so proud #babygirl was back there getting into narnia #he was so resistant to letting go of the pseudo-family he'd found at the 118 in chimney begins #even tho it was a good old boys club that he knew he really didn't fit into he was making himself fit because at least it was something #but then he let chimney in and then hen came around and he saw a very queer person being openly queer and not giving a fuck what they think #and I think his behavior in that episode was trying to support hen as much as he could without outing himself #because like. how do you give up years of relative safety with people who do care about you they just won't like you anymore if you're *you #then he meets buck in s7 which is like 10-20 years later timeline is fake and he's like oh. this is what unconditional family is #and he's like oh. maybe I can come back. maybe I can be part of this again somehow. maybe we've both grown enough #or at the very least he'll be close to something he never believed would really happen for him #rant over tevan my beloved tim minear pillow cold both sides god bless #my edits

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paimonial-rage · 4 months

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wriothesley 3, 16, 17 :3 -- @milkstore

[Character Analysis Ask Meme]

What is Wriothesley’s mbti/enneagram?

Wriothesley is a 9w8 ESTP sp/so.

What is the best way to win Wriothesley’s heart?

Wriothesley is a simple man, and simple men require simple methods. Simply put, the best way to win Wriothesley’s heart is to flirt with him. He doesn’t need much more than that. Challenge him, tease him, take him by surprise. Play hot and cold. Accept his invitations for tea, then spurn his advancements the next. Present yourself as a catch, dance right out of his reach, and let his instincts kick in. But make sure you’re having fun too. It’s not a game if both people aren’t having fun.

What are Wriothesley’s strengths in a relationship?

Of the many traits Wriothesley was blessed with, two that stand out are his level-headedness and his tendency toward action. No matter what you may go through as a couple, he will not be overcome by stress or fear. You can always trust him to be solid no matter the storm. Not to mention you can trust he will not take the backseat in your relationship. If there is anything wrong, he will address it. But more than that, if he sees the chance to make you happy, he will take it, whether it’d be bringing home flowers or taking you on a date to something you want to see. In a relationship, he won’t let you feel alone.

#genshin impact #genshin x reader #wriothesley #wriothesley x reader #my writing #character analysis #okay! i admit it! because it was you i let myself get a bit lazy with the writing #it’s not as uwu as it normally is #wriothesley’s ivs were so hard here because you can make an argument for any of the synflow types #he exudes pseudo sx vibes but i’m p sure that’s the case bc he’s the typical leather jacket bad boy types being an estp and 9w8 haha #i will say tho that the winning his heart thing isn’t completely accurate #that’s more how to capture his attention and get him to be interested in you #imo he’s not picky you know?#but if you had to ask i’d say he’s attracted to fighters #not in the super saiyan sense or in the love hate relationship sense p #i mean more like…. you don’t simply accept everything that’s handed to you… even things you don’t like #you have enough self respect to stand up for yourself in the way that you can get him to say #‘oho? i like that look in your eyes’#he’s a fighter so it only makes sense haha #but that’s just my opinion he’s pretty open

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polaroidcats · 7 months

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Ugly crying & the marauders generation - a pseudo-scientific approach (my marauders crying PhD abstract)

Abstract

In recent days, there have been a variety of claims as to who the prettiest and ugliest crier in the marauders generation could be. This paper aims to address the recent surge in opinions on the matter, and categorize different approaches as well as add a new approach to the scientific examination of ugliness/prettiness when it comes to crying. I hope to provide readers with an overview of the current state of research and encourage all marauders scholars to add their own and I intend to make a contribution to the discourse by committing to the bit and writing a pseudo-academic paper about it instead of actually working on my thesis.

Introduction

In the following paper, the discourse about 5 marauders era characters will be examined in regards to their various levels of perceived ugliness whilst crying. Scholars who may ask why Peter [Pettigrew] is not included in this analysis are advised to refer to acclaimed marauders ugly crying scholar @lynxindisguise's (2023) original poll on the popular blogging website "tumblr.com" which did not include Peter, but rather two non-marauders characters named Lily and Regulus. This paper will follow that approach, since Peter is the nastiest skank bitch I have ever met, I do not trust him and he is a fugly slut. The characters included in this approach are as follows: James Potter, Lily Evans, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Regulus Black.

Following the scientific criteria for ugly crying, as stated by lynxindisguise et. al (2023), the question of the ugliest crier can be answered by observing the crying person and assessing their ugly-levels on the following parameters: (1) unbecoming facial expressions, (2) facial swelling/blotching, (3) unsettling noises, (4) snot factor, (5) tear volume, (6) general loss of dignity, (7) glistening eyes/lashes, (8) Victorian heroine factor, (9) elegant tear-wiping, (10) post-cry glow (ibid).

Criteria (1)-(6) can be categorized as the ugly crying parameters whereas (7)-(10) are pretty crying parameters, creating a false binary between ugly and pretty crying, which may be problematised and addressed in another the paper. In contrast to lynxindisguise’s original 10 criteria to measure the aesthetics of crying, this paper proposes to add (11) explosiveness of cry as another ugly crying parameter, in order to get a more clear assessment of where on the ugly-pretty crying scale a character falls.

The ugly crying parameters

(1) Unbecoming facial expressions

James Potter is mentioned in this category by several marauders scholars: @jaylienpotter talks about his red face and ugly sobbing, @artbyace mentions his “scrunched up cry face” and @sectoren claimes “james (…) is that one handsome guy that when the waterworks get going becomes like. Cartoonishly ugly”, raising the question of upkeeping toxic masculinity in order to avoid having to witness more of James Potter’s crying “mug”.

Though James Potter features heavily in this category, another character who is also mentioned just as often is Remus Lupin: @kaaaaaaarf, @appreciatedmoron and @http-starboy all emphasise that Remus Lupin is the one with a red and blotchy face.

(2) facial swelling/blotching

While there is a definitive overlap between the categories of facial swelling/blotching, unbecoming facial expressions and snot factor, Sirius’ and Regulus’ victorian heroine complexions, which give them an advantage in the homonymous category, may be to their disadvantage in the “blotching” category. This will require further research by other scholars.

(3) unsettling noises

James Potter is mentioned in this category by Jaylienpotter (2023), claiming he not only hiccups when crying but also that “his cries are one of the most heartbreaking things you’ll ever hear” and similarly, artbyace states that “James loves and feels so loudly”, whereas “Sirius is silent”, both sentiments are reminiscent of znelda’s (2023) statements that James “was allowed to feel his emotions freely in a loving household” and “Sirius (…) [is] used to hide [his] feelings and [has] become stoic”.

With several other scholars, among them also @jamesunderwater (2023) raising the point that James may be the ugliest crier due to him being “the only one well adjusted enough to have access to his feelings” this raises the question of possibly introducing another category, maybe of emotional awareness/stability to be able to measure this parameter more efficiently, though emotional vulnerability may also just be a part of the unsettling noises parameter, suggesting that there is a correlation between noisiness and the existing environment being welcoming to and accepting of various expressions of emotions.

(4) snot factor

The most popular winner in the snot factor category seems to be Remus Lupin, with several scholars agreeing that his sobs are the dampest and snottiest out of all the candidates. kaaaaaaarf (2023) writes “he turnes all red and blochty and snot drips out of his nose (…) he cant (sic) not cry with his mouth open as well so there is a lot of spit”, and appreciatedmoron (2023) agrees with kaaaaaaarf on this.

It only seems right to me to include spit in the snot category as well, seeing as they’re both crying-related bodily fluids that add to the ugly-cry factor. http-starboy (2023) also mentions snot in regards to Remus Lupin, which compared to both their comments in (1) opens up the question of how unbecoming facial expressions, more particularly redness of the face and snot factor may be related, as several authors seem to write about both specifically in relation to each other. Whether this is just pure coincidence or not would need further research, for which we currently do not have enough funding. This is only one of the many research gaps in the relatively new field of marauder’s ugly crying studies, which cannot fully be addressed in this paper.

James Potter is also mentioned in the snot category, namely by the marauders scholar artbyace (2023).

(5) tear volume

Artbyace (2023) claims James Potter is “full on bawling” which can only be assumed to refer to tear volume, but the most convincing argument for tear volume comes from the acclaimed marauders scholar @fruityindividual (2023), stating that “tsunami warning tones go off in sirius’ brain anytime remus is close 2 (sic) tears” which already indicates high levels of tear volumes. The author then goes on to specify the volume by claiming that “indeed the ocean wishes rj lupin would jump in and help contribute 2 (sic) rising sea levels”, further emphasizing the volume of Remus's tears.

(6) general loss of dignity

@pastaplatypus (2023) writes about James Potter not being able to do a Melodramatic Bollywood Cry, which is perceived as inherently racist by the crier.

I would like to argue that Sirius Black also deserves to be mentioned in this category. While as of today, with less than 1 hour left to vote, 15.5% of voters agree that Sirius is the ugliest crier, the more outspoken voices all argue for different ugly criers. Due to their upbringing, I am tempted to name both Black brothers in the “loss of dignity” category and look forward to reading future contributions to this discussion.

The pretty crying parameters

(7) glistening eyes/lashes

Undoubtedly Sirius Black deserves to be mentioned in this category. I believe his dark lashes and glimmering eyes are part of what makes him the prettiest crier. Whereas Remus’s eyes also sometimes glisten or appear red, and it is usually attributed to be caused by drug consumption, which more often than not is a wrong assumption, but he happily goes along with the pretense of being a weed-smoking bad boy in order to hide his ugly crying damp tendencies.

(8) Victorian heroine factor

It almost seems superfluous to even mention Sirius (and, to a lesser degree, Regulus) Black in this category. This category was made for Sirius, as is apparent when reading lynxindisguises (2023) description of the victorian heroine factor, in response to a question by the scholar @plecotusauritus:

“the Victorian Heroine Factor is a deeply scientific assessment of the Vibes. Is this person giving tragically beautiful, windswept Victorian Heroine, sobbing gently into their hands while sprawled across a boulder or a well or a fountain of some sort? When they look up at you, do their tear-plumped lips part elegantly as a single tear slides down their cheek?”

(9) elegant tear-wiping

There hasn't been a lot of research in this area, but I would like to propose handkerchiefs with embroidered initials and family crests as another potential factor in favor of the Black brothers scoring high marks in this category as well as the Victorian heroine factor.

(10) post-cry glow

Artbyace (2023) claims “lily is always beautiful (…) even when crying”, which is echoed by znelda’s (2023) earlier claim that “Lily (…) [is] a woman and no woman is ugly when crying.”

Sirius is the other popular choice by marauders scholars for this category, with @in-flvx (2023) stating that he “handsomely handsomes while dying after 12 years of torture hell and another year in shackles”, which would mean that “a few tears would[n’t] stop him from being the hottest person in the room at all times” (ibid).

Additional parameters

I am suggesting to introduce an additional metric in order to further specify and better assess the ugly-crying levels:

(11) explosiveness of cry

@felixantares (2023) introduces the idea that Remus “is the type that very few people have been seen cry because he ignores every difficult emotion hes (sic) ever had (…) and it all explodes at once and its horrible to watch when he breaks down”, a sentiment shared by several of the other authors mentioned above in various other categories.

Further opinions & conclusions

The most popular consensus seems to be that Sirius cannot be the ugliest crier, sometimes also in direct comparison to his brother: @spindrifters (2023) answers the question of the ugliest crier with “obviously it’s regulus”, elaborating that “at least [it’s] definitely not sirius bc (sic) reg is canonically less handsome in all ways” which brings up the question if regular beauty plays into ugly crying. This is contrasted by lynxindisguises argument, that Sirius may be an ugly crier because he’s so gorgeous, and his ugly crying subverts the expectations of beauty:

“the most beautiful man alive looks hideous while crying, and his deeply awkward and perpetually damp bf (sic) is literally in his element while crying – dampness becomes him, you might say.”

This statement raises yet another question – does regular crying make the crier more or less ugly? Can an ugly crier become a pretty crier by practice or are we all born either ugly or pretty criers, condemned to this fate for life?

While this paper has given an overview of the current state of research to ugly crying/pretty crying, it has also raised many more questions. Other topics which may be addressed in future papers also include the philosophical question whether ugly crying is in the eye of the beholder and if it is possible to ugly cry without being perceived, and if it is possible to ugly cry if the person perceiving you doesn’t find it ugly. Since the research field of ugly crying is a relatively new one, we can only hope to read many more opinions on these and other topics in the future, and I look forward to reading different scholar’s approaches to these highly relevant topics.

#marauders #idek what to tag this as lol #i don't write fic i only write pseudo scientific papers on fandom analysis (apparently) lol i had so much fun writing this #even if just 1 person reads it i'll be happy i know it's ridiculous #scientific analysis of ugly crying #akso i tried to tag everyone i mentioned to make it feel more like i'm actually quoting them (which i am) but if anyone doesn't want to be #tagged in this lmk and i'll remove it haha #anyways okay i'll post it now #this is what happens when i go on tumblr during work hours and then keep thinking about how much more fun editing papers would be if they #were about the marauders instead of the things i have to read/edit at work #hp #remus lupin #sirius black #james potter #lily evans #regulus black #(this thing has almost 2k words and i wrote it in 2-3hours)#idek what that says about me #that this is how i chose to spend my tuesday evening #but i love it

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purplecelestial-buddy · 1 month

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It's so funny to me that the fandom has come to see Hirano as a Sasamiya promoter of sorts because while he is, it took him some time to get accustomed to the idea of them together. And while he was never a hater Sasaki's actions towards Miyano certainly used to get on his nerves.

At first he was so worried and probably even felt a little guilty because (as mentioned in the following screenshot) because the only reason why Sasaki knows which class Miya is in, is thanks to him.

But like, that's not the face of a friend that's happy to play cupid and get their two acquaintances together. Not at all, that's the face of someone who puts his sempai-kouhai relationship with Miyano over his (pseudo) friendship with Sasaki.

Hirano from the first chapters would have jailed Sasaki if he were allowed to. (And he has his reasons, Sasaki has been something since the first chapters)

Anyway, the progression of events is really interesting.

He started, quite literally, shielding Miyano from Sasaki.

Then, he came to accept their relationship.

And at the end he really was rooting for them, to the point he ended up outright lying just so Miyano could meet Sasaki and they could talk it out and confess.

#I know the point of Sasaki to Miyano is watching how their relationship develops #but I think Hirano is really important as an spectator of their relationship #everyone thought the pair was and odd couple #him too #so watching him come to terms with their relationship and finally even rooting for them is super sweet #since it shows that he let go of his prejudice (mainly against Sasaki lol)#also I love the message he leaves Sasaki #he really did his everything to give them that last little push that they so needed #and he didn't have to!!!#like two pages before that he curses them both for having never exchanged number #and still he helps them out #idk I just love to ramble about him #he gets angry easily and he lacks patience but he always does his uttermost best to help his friends #even when he isn't particularly close to miya or sasaki #the (pseudo) in pseudofriendship comes from the fact that they are som weirdos that consider each other just classmates #but that's a talk for another day #got sasamiya brainworms again #does this count as a character analysis? (lol)#Hirano might not know of relationships and social dynamics but he really cares about everyone regardless of what those people are to him #both his kohais and his classmates are people he considers precious #and people for whom he would make sacrifices #I'm sorry I just love him very much #sasaki to miyano #if Hirano Taiga has no fans I'm dead #meaning that I'll defend him till my last breath

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saionjeans · 4 months

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akio isn’t actually anthy’s father but due to his age, status, and power, he acts as a pseudo-father to anthy (and others), mimetically performing patriarchy without truly embodying the primary patriarchal role (although approximating it to functionally the same effect). this idea of the Mimesis of Patriarchy is in fact the mechanism upon which the entire Narrative (which is to say, akio’s frame) is predicated, from the shadow girls to the projections from akio’s phallic panopticon tower to the entire discourse of dueling that is ostensibly the primary stage upon which the show’s telos is reached—although of course this idea is illusory as well, a more palatable mode of violence serving to distract from the true violence upholding the narrative.

the notion of illusion acting in conversation with and artificially upholding modes of power is a key theme of the show. the matter of projection, performance, trickery, and masks is illustrated symbolically; the modes through which the text facilitates these ideas pervade every mechanic of its storytelling, most notably through everything about the shadow girls, as the shadows (on the cave walls) of performers in a choral role (often imparting digestible yet not particularly trenchant moralistic fables, both vague enough to provoke, yet shallow enough to maintain order). mimesis as a form of hollow power underscores the entire framework of ohtori and what it signifies.

the point being that the roles we feel we have no choice to inhabit within an agreed upon status quo are ultimately illusory, held together through a collective logic enforcing them for no other reason than that the collective will must go unchallenged. there are no real rules set in place that a girl cannot wear a boy’s uniform, that a girl cannot leave her abuser, that a girl cannot love another girl. but these rules are nonetheless enforced through more covert social codes that uphold themselves for no ontological reason besides the expectation that they must be.

the very world itself is the coffin, the egg, the dueling arena of mist and shadow. akio counts on the mimetic integrity of his maintained performance to continue to enforce his power, and anthy’s final act is to reveal the artifice of his semblance of power once his players no longer choose to continue participating, once they realize that the conditions they have been forced to accept are actually unacceptable. by simply leaving, by stepping out of frame to an existence beyond her coffin, she shatters the facade that presents the site of her abuse as being the entire world, as all there is and all that can ever be.

the metanarrative actively critiques its own mimetic mode not only to undermine akio’s constructed drama, but to remind us of the larger purpose of storytelling, beyond one singular framework. dios is an illusion, a cave shadow, but so is akio. he is not patriarchy itself, he is a sign, and patriarchy is the signified. the fact that he is not really a Father, but anthy nonetheless likens him to one, reminds of us this fact. the world of ohtori is a fiction, both literally and figuratively. the shadows on the cave walls are projections, the systems we uphold are arbitrary, the narratives we construct are illusory. akio may not be a real father, but he plays one on tv.

#u #akio #anthy #shadow girls #analysis #manalysis #this was supposed to be 2 sentences. as always #thinking abt the role of pseudo-fatherhood w/in the framework and metacritique of the show ….. and it spiraled into this of course

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another-clive-blog · 4 months

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Oopsie daisy

#Please don't pay attention to my pseudo or to the time <3 I'm doing great #Do pay attention to the parallels and the trauma tho !! It'd be a shame to miss this D:#So yeah. I was uploading screenshots to Discord and this happened. I'm sure I could/should write an analysis here !!#But I don't have one on hand so I'll just say that I put Flora through the Clive treatment in one fic <3 Flora I love you I swear #clive dove #flora reinhold #hershel layton #professor layton and the unwound future #professor layton and the lost future #unwound future spoilers #lost future spoilers

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smol-soop-spoon · 1 month

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absolutely LOATHING the fact that you can just tell when the tiktok algorithm pushes up tsh recommendations because the flavour of new tsh tumblr posts is straight up cold wet garbage

#go back to tiktok im begging you #posts going from breathtaking fanarts and in-depth analysis to most lukewarm pseudo hot takes #not to mention the “Actually 🤓👆” posts that are just basic reading comprehension #congrats suzy you understood words on a page c'mon everyone clap for suzy!!#murder is bad??? Omg no shit could've never figured that one out without you!!#good thing is i know exactly who to block <3 #the secret history #tsh

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shirkers2018dirsanditan · 7 months

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i hste this video because besides kim’s abandoned cathedral, these homes aren’t even minimalist. wtf are you talking about. it is not a Rich People Thing to clean up and stage your house before a guy with a camera comes in to video your house. maybe try analyzing the actual concept of home decor - which is class-based - rather than arguing against “curated spaces” which are really just…tidied and stylized homes.

#i hate pseudo leftist pop culture analysis #its never talking about anything real or important #its random postmodern rambling

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ceramicdove · 6 months

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People online always dunk on theater kids or band kids or whatever (through bits and caricatures oftentimes hinting towards a wider sense of bigotry, though that's another subject) but I mean it when I say that the most ontologically evil extracurricular group is people who do debate. I say this as somebody who did debate and also technically won a regional debate competition.

#if a debate club doesn't explicitly lay down an ethics boundary right off the bat #trust that it is a tar pit #I don't want to get into pseudo-psychological analysis but most kids who go there only do it to have catty dick-measuring fights #without any degree of care for the sensibilities required by Real problems

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bookcrazysongbird · 2 years

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I am not a Mom Friend. A Mom Friend has a just-in-case First Aid kit that they don't actually need because they already convinced you that the reckless thing was a bad idea.

I am an Older Sibling friend. It means I'm running after you with scotch tape, paper towels, and one singular bandaid unearthed from the depths of god only knows where, and my pleading to "Just think this through!" is actively encouraging you to do the dangerous thing.

#mom friend #but also not #bc that would imply a competence which i do not possess #also #as an older sibling #when did you get faster than me?#it makes this all much more difficult #friends #pseudo analysis #things i think about #older sibling friend

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not-souleaterpost · 7 months

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Fire Force as a One Piece ending prediction?

During my "research" for the iceberg, I did read all of Fire Force and thought quite a lot about it - a lot of the thoughts connect to Soul Eater, so I leave them for the Iceberg - but this specifically is such a weird thing I noticed, that I had to write it down - guess spoilers for both One Piece and Fire Force

Before we really start, I wanna make clear this won't be one of these 2009 "wow this generic story is like this generic story images"

But some comparisions that are simmilar to that will be needed (while keeping in mind that they may be common tropes and or cultural ideas, picked up through osmosis - which may even count into the more "plausible" explanation in the end)

So anyways, the whole premise of Fireforce at the start is "hero kid who everybody sees as a devil and can't stop smiling" - and one can ofcourse make the whole "Pirates with Devil fruit that smile comparison"

You may ask why I chose those images to represent that - because they tie in with my next point - because at the beginning of both stories the smiles had quite different meaning - Shinra's anxiety forcing his face to contort seems kinda different to the whole "Will of D, facing ones death with a smile because you lived your fullest life and know that your will is gonna be carried on" So what changed to make it not such a stretch - well this pun is what changed - the change from stretching gum, to stretching being a metaphor for imagination freeing reality, making one free - AKA the Gum gum fruit to Joy Boy retcon - aka, Luffy basically being a quasi reincarnation of a messiah figure, like somebody else...

One could say "well, Luffy rejects being called a hero" - but that still leaves the "unlikely person is the messiah" thing by instead of the one who looks like the devil being it, it's the one who doesn't care about it and wouldn't mind being called a devil.

But anyways, one could say, who cares, the "shonen hero becomes a japanese Jesus" thing is very common (one could write a whole essay on that) so what's the point, gonna pull in Naruto too? (enen thought there are some connections for Soul Eater with that, but I'll leave it for the iceberg) The answer is the thing I mentioned about imagination - Fire Force basically ends with Shinra using imagination to recreat a quasi perfect world free of the vows of the current world (which was cartoonified already) - and what does Luffys new power do?

Turning everything more goofy and cartoony... Emphasis on more, because One Piece allways was cartoony... (We get more into what that could mean later) I would put some pictures, but its literally to common to point out, so I better leave some space for more relevant shit. So both storys focus on the freeing aspect of using one's imagination anad dealing with death (i.e. the Will of D is realising in a way the imagined future to motivate the present to overcome the past) ((Maybe it literally means Will of Death instead of Dawn, Devil or Downloading pirated things is actually good))

One could say that is an coincidence too, but why then all the Sun God Symbolism? The sun as a symbol of hope, like the laughing sun of Soul Eater in contrast with the Mad Moon cackling in despair... And trust me, One Piece has enough of it's own Moon symbolism

So here we are - the era of the Moon as being the time of Madness and Oppresion, in both Fire Force and One Piece - yet the Sun is both despair and hope, destruction and creation - because that's what Shinra uses to get his stupid power scaler bait (like literally people on youtube see the ending and think "is he stronger than Goku", man if storys for 10 year olds are too complicated for you...) creation powers (his name literally meaning "Of All Creation") that let him in a blink destroy and recreat the world - while Luffy is also prophecied to destroy atleast an island, and probably the current "world" of artificial borders (probably creating the All Blue and shit but that doesn't matter at the moment)

But if still not convinved, lets talk about the other stuff that started matching up with Fire Force - a new super villian above all of the others that many think is a woman, while shrouded in shadow - is this the Evangelist or IMU? Devil fruits being revealed to be the dreams becoming real, like Adola being the collective unconsious, dreams and hopes. The Goverment is around something called "the mother flame" which is said to be both an amazing powersource and a nuke-like weapon - just as Ametarasu looks like a literal nuclear powerplant while also being a weapon that could explode and cause the literal cataclysm.

Also the whole point of an outsider force goverment ruling the world - especially with the early fire force hints of them being literal aliens, while there are alien hints in one piece too (and the real world metaphor of outsiders rulling your country, as many Japanese people may feel after losing WW2, but that is probably a controversial topic, even if certain weirdly nationalistic details in Fire Force make one have a double take...)

Anyways, there are too many circumstantial references to name and in the end one can just go "well they are just common tropes and cliche's" But if they are - that's kinda interesting in its own way - as outsiders, we look at these weird comics as if we get them, but if all these things are common enough to not be anything special, how clueless are we? Is so much interesting japanese discourse and thought lost to us? Maybe even some of the people considered "shizos" by the fanbase are actually on to something?

But so we have basically two possibilietes - either it is a very common idea in current japanese media (maybe influenced by Jungian stuff, or things like Devilman ((never read it)) or Berserk ((listened to some summary of it for 20 hours while drawing lol)) - or Ohkubo specifically picked up on all the hints, forshadowings etc and went "yeah I'm gonna do the same" - either because he got tired of waiting for the end of One Piece or because he wanted passive agressivly one up Oda maybe lol (he did say that he doesnt want his stuff go on forever like One Piece, so maybe its to show how to do it a lot quicker?) Anyways, in the end its not really a theory one can falsify, and not even one that may be "literally" true - but just realising the connections, even if they just exist do to a common culture and "canon" of works, maybe even works not read by either author but absorbed by osmosis, seem to lead one to a deeper understanding for why certain choices are made. And oh about the "more cartoony" world hint - well if fire foce was once the real world, and the bible exist in One Piece if really countries dont, what if that isn't the void century - the time when the world was like ours, or closer to it - basically all the sciefi stuff and metaphysical bullshit could lead to that - with the One Piece treasure being the literall One Piece manga (an old joke theory I had on some long banned throaway account, but people seem to keep now mention more and more...) - basically the guide of salvation, the power of imagination leading one beyond the fear of death and despair - maybe even why Ohkubo did the Soul Eater connection - he couldnt just copy One Piece one for one, so instead of the solution being the story itself, he went back to his own older story to get the same effect. But maybe thats too deranged even for my standards.

Anyways, I probably forgot a lot of stuff that would make it more convinving, like the out of nowhere "Flame Emperor Sabo" thing, and that the first candidate of the Messiah had a fire power with Sun themed attacks etc or that Luffys mom is unknown or that Ace was supposed to be killed in a simmilar way King Herod wanted to kill Jesus etc. Maybe this all just seems inchoherent, but Idk I had to dump it somewhere, maybe someone can work with this info and pull out something better, but if this all just feels like a waste of time:

Yeah... Sorry

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