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cdid-pf-culture-is · 3 months
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cdid culture is never relating to other systems about hosts being egocentric/solipsistic/however you wanna say it, cause your "host" is himself 6 different people
sidenote but as an anarchist i just realized how fitting it is we have a rotating, egalitarian council for host
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DID culture is realising that every common fronter is a subsystem of 2 or more
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bunnyb34r · 25 days
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Just word spilling here to get this out of my head
I was thinking lately yknow how people always say stuff like "oh I hate rap" or "anything but country" when music tastes get brought up
I have a theory that the reason why is in how/where they're exposed to said genre initially/most frequently
Like people who hate rap, maybe it's that they don't seek it out on their own bc they typically only ever hear it coming from someone's loud speakers (car speakers bass blasted, on the bus, at school) and they then associate the genre with "loud sound 'intruding' on my personal space"
Or maybe they have racist parental figures and THEY always sneered at rap music when they were a kid so they grew into young adults/adults who hate rap bc of the racial bias they were influenced by as a kid
And country maybe the ONLY times they hear it/ the only kind they get exposed to typically is the post 9/11 patriotic shit and that makes them uncomfortable/they dont like that shit (understandable) so they think aaalll country is that kind
I mean it all boils down to them needing to examine their racial bias that underlines their hate (since rap is a predominantly black genre and country was started by black singers) AND explore the genres to find something they do like and find what they appreciate in the genre based on that
I think this also applies to other commonly "hated" genres (but for the majority it IS mostly an underlying racial bias)
Anyway idk I'm just throwing this into the void so my brain shuts up
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edwardianmumbo · 6 months
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Verbal Terminology in Autistic Tumblr Survey Results
After quite a long while (and for that I apologise) I’ve finished the results of a survey about the descriptivist uses of the terms Nonverbal/Non-Speaking and Semiverbal/Semi-Speaking in Tumblr’s Autism Community. This survey was originally intended to cover more, and just be a fun side project that unfortunately ended up with many flaws throughout the whole process. I'll go into specifics more at the end in the “Further Notes” section!
All that to say, I heavily implore you to do your own research and listen to others outside of this survey about these terms. Admittedly I think this survey is best taken as a small peek into how a very small group of people currently use these terms, in a fun non-informational survey format. (Also this was my first time doing image ids, so well i tried my best they might be really bad and for that i apologise in advance!!)
Demographic Questions
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[image id: a bar graph called “What Would You Call Yourself” with the options going top to bottom the graph says Nonverbal at 16 (3.5%), Semiverbal at 118 (25.9%), Someone Who temporarily Loses Speech or Temporarily Can’t Talk at 308 (67.7%), Verbal or At allistic Level at 171 (37.6%), and Hyperverbal at 95 (20.9%) end id]
First things first I looked at the different ways survey respondents identified personally, and at a base level we can see most people said they had varying speech levels. The next highest given types overall were Semiverbal and Speaking Autistics, with Nonverbal being the least used term among survey participants. Due to this being multiple choice I also looked at what group of responses where most common:
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[image id: a bar graph of Unique Term Use Types. The highest is Temporary Only at 141 respondents. The next Highest is VT (Verbal and Temporary) at 60, followed closely by Verbal Only at 59. The rest in order of highest to lowest is Semiverbal Only at 41, ST (Semiverbal and Temporary) at 33, TH (Temporary and Hyperverbal) at 29, Other Combinations at 21, VTH (Verbal, Hyperverbal, and Temporary) at 19, Hyperverbal Only at 18, SVT and STH and VH are all tied at 8, SV (Semiverbal and Verbal) at 6, and finally Nonverbal Only at 4 respondents. end id]
This graph more clearly shows that a majority of responders would consider their verbal speech levels to change, but only a minority of that group also considers themself Semi or Non-Verbal. You can all also see how a majority of responders considered themself either as just temporarily losing speech or a combination group using the Verbal option, which highlights a potential bias in the future questions. (Also the other section is for all combinations that got under 1% of respondents individually!)
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[image id: A pie chart pf praticapent’s age groups. The highest at 56% is 18-29 year olds, with 13-17 place at 38.2%. The rest have the percents cut off but in order are 30-29, Under 13, and then 40+ year olds. End id]
Most responders fell in the age ranges of 13-29. This seems to follow general Tumblr trends after a quick search, but possibly leans a few years younger then the general user base. The lack of older adults taking the survey is unfortunate as some of these terms have been around for a while, and it’s always a plus to get an all ages response on surveys like these.
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[image id: A pie chart titled “Where did you find the survey”, The top choice being “Another Tumblr Blog” at 59.1%, and the 2nd “Nd Culture Is” at 37.1%. You can see the slices for “From Someone I Know” and various Other Responses in the pie chart, with the other responses blurred out in the index sheet. end id]
This graph is admittedly a bit worthless, as I made it before deciding where I was going to post the survey to, so a decent amount of people, both those who selected “Another Blog” or Other mentioned getting it straight from the og post or a reblog of it. So needless to say i wasn’t quite exact enough by what i meant in this question (which was to see how far it spread vs any bias from just my “in-group” so to say), but it does does imply that that the survey didn’t make it far from the groups I posted it in. Which is expected with how little "promoting" was done during the survey period.
NonVerbal / NonSpeaking
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[image id: a multiple bar graph showcasing the correlation between how responders self identified vs how they define Nonverbal. Going from top to bottom is The Fully Always option chosen by 3 from Nonverbal Only, Masking with no chosen responses, Little to No Speech at 2 from Nonverbal and other Terms Users, Allow Temporary at 9 from Nonverbal and other Term Users plus 7 from Nonverbal and Temporary and an intentional Nonverbal Only Responder, then All Above with 1 Nonverbal and Temporary plus a Nonverbal Plus Response, Followed lastly by Other Definitions with no responses. End id]
Before going over this data I want to reiterate that the survey had very few nonverbal people taking it, so this data is not going to be all possibly not even most, nonspeaking people’s option on defining those terms. Next The N Plus section on the graph includes the N and T groups as well as other responders who marked themself with more than just the Nonverbal role. That said it seems that the greater community tends to lean towards the “Someone who has periods or is always not able to speak and/or can't speak well” option, and well quite a few nonverbal autistics agree, there’s a group especially among those who only consider themselves nonverbal who prefer defining it as those who always can’t speak fully ever. This matches with trends i’ve personally seen in the nonverbal tags of nonverbal people preferring definitions that centre on the lack of verbalness, even completely or most of the time vs speaking autistics using more broader terms, but again with such a lack of nonspeaking people involved there is no solid reliability to the data.
SemiVerbal / SemiSpeaking
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[image id: a multiple bar graph showcasing the correlation between how respondents self identified vs how they define Semiverbal. Going from top to bottom is Partly All with 8 from Semiverbal Only plus 7 Semiverbal and Temp and 10 from Semiverbal Plus, Next is Inbetween with 24 from Semiverbal Only and 42 from Semiverbal and Temp plus 53 from Semiverbal Plus, Lose Speech has 5 from Semiverbal Only plus 6 from Semiverbal and Temp and 8 from Semiverbal Plus,All Above with 2 from both Semiverbal and Temp plus Semiverbal Only, Context-Based with no responses, and finally Other with 1 from Semiverbal Only plus 2 from Semiverbal and Temp and 3 from Semiverbal Plus. end id]
Like The Nonverbal Section, The S Plus section on the graph includes the S and T groups as well as other responders who marked themself with more than just the Semiverbal role. Otherwise, from this graph we see an overall trend of including anybody “between nonverbal and verbal” regardless of how the respondents identified themself. There also seems to be less of a disconnect between those who are semiverbal vs the greater community when compared to the results of Nonverbal, although whether that is a bias of the survey or a general trend is hard to tell. Most respondents who chose Other seem to have given either an all of the above answer (which I might have manually included???) or mentioned a definition using the idea of always struggling with speech but at different levels.
Further Notes
One thing I really wish I had done was involve more nonverbal and semiverbal people in the whole process of making this, i think looking back there’s definitely moments were you could tell this was made by a speaking autistic and I really didn’t do nearly enough to include and uplift the voices of those who this survey was literally about. In a similar vein I forgot about pretty much every non-autistic community who uses these terms, but also didn’t make it clear enough that it was unintentional, leaving not only countless voices unheard but accidentally ostracising those whose voices are equally as important as what this survey managed to cover.
Alongside that I was very unclear in what some questions meant to the point even future-me wasn’t sure what the data was for, plus I bit off much more than I could chew, making for a messy at best survey experience. As such survey taker’s might notice not every question was given space here, and that is simply because I couldn't process the data in a timely manner.
I did however let people opt-in to sharing further notes about how they use these terms and will share some of those under the read more with no individual commentary so as to let people speak fully for themselves:
There is a gap in the language available to describe autistic difficulties with speech. Verbal should describe the ability to use language, written or spoken, but in the context of neurodivergency almost always describes speech only. Non-speaking would be a more appropriate term and would free up nonverbal as a term for autistics who struggle with written and spoken English (as in syntax or language in general, not spelling). This has been talked about in high support need circles but is not mainstream.
I think we should look to the wheelchair users for language design, specifically the differences with the language around full time wheelchair user and ambulatory/part time wheelchair user
i wish mostly speaking people would find other ways of explaining their experiences without using nonverbal/nonspeaking people's language. we already have a much harder time communicating and when our language is taken or used in different ways that makes people confused about the meaning and they assume that the experience of mostly speaking people is the same as mostly or fully nonverbal/nonspeaking people. when actually the overall experience is very different
I am not sure exactly where I fit within being verbal but losing speech and struggling to speak almost always, or if I am semiverbal. I think the lines between all of these terms can be blurry, but I think it's bad how verbal autistics who lose speech occasionally (and often talk about being able to push through this and force themselves to speak - which is how I feel almost all the time) have taken these terms which makes it very hard to find content from people whose experiences with speech are similar to mine or who are nonverbal. I think it's connected to how in general lower support needs autistics take most of the space in the autistic community and it can feel isolating for people like me who are higher support needs.
And well this survey was about English specifically, I want to share what this survey respondent said about how the terms work in their language and how that affects their usage of these terms:
third of all: the alternatives to that, such as "losing speech", "having verbal shutdown", or "going mute"... simply do not work in some languages. and as proof, let me show you my beautiful native language, that being ukrainian!
"losing speech" = our word for speech equals our word for talk. when losing speech, i CAN talk - but not by using my voice.
"verbal shutdown" = our word for shutdown is not being used in the same way as in english and there is no good alternatives.
"going mute" = our word for mute has a very long and complicated and problematic history, and is not something most people would be comfortable saying!
so, that means that i am left with absolutely no phrases to use in my language - because the only one, that being "going/becoming non-verbal" which is translatable and has the same meaning - is not an option anymore.
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polyfragcultureis · 8 months
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pf-did culture is being so ashamed of your headcount that you refuse to disclose it to anyone except for sys members
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partywithoutsmiling · 22 days
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how did you find your way into the trolls fandom? What lured you in?
I got more interested in the fandom since 2020 actually, when World Tour dropped. Pretty sure that was the time that I actually made this blog, with plans of contributing- buuuut life got in the way rather messily and that made it hard to keep any investment into anything for long.
But I have been naturally aware of Trolls since the first movie dropped in 2016- especially has been aware of it ever since the very cringy teaser for it dropped XD
The first movie... didn't really win me over, not by itself pf. The whole odd cinderella story aside, the trolls themselves just didn't feel hashed out to me? And their design kinda creeped me out a little bit XD (2016 Poppy especially hits some kind of uncanny valley area for me lol)
Aesthetically, it was kinda off putting- the saturation has been too over the top in certain parts, and the lighting was really odd- even in well lit areas, all of it just seemed too dark and as an artsy person, that really bugged me pft. Story wise, it also seemed like your typical clishe 'Cheery and Moody people forced to spend time together, eventually falls in love' so yeah, I was not impressed by Trolls 2016 XD
Then, Trolls World Tour hit the streaming- and I got *very* interested in the sudden expanded lore. I know there is, for some reason, a prevalent hatred by some hardcore Trolls 2016 fans? (I mean, eh, I personally think that the first movie is weakest of them all but ehhh) But anyway- edging away from Trolls just being little dancing and singing oddballs and making them part of a varying species with complicated culture and history- that really spoke to me. I know the ending is really controversial, as it ended kinda too 'and everyone is friends now', but I liked the allegory about erasing cultures, either from outright hostile takeover (Barb) or through well meaning pity (Poppy)
This movie also made me a Broppy shipper XD Because it was *so* refreshing to actually see that no, their love confession in the first one wasn't about romantic love- but it was just admitance to caring and affection in general, platonic, nothing romantic at all. The fact they didn't keep his overly saturated colours after True Colours, and kept him muted in the sequel, also really pleased me, as no, it will take a while for Branch to heal from his ordeal in life and it's not always a smooth ride (As a person dealing with depression, I appreciate that).
Their characters also felt more genuine if that makes sense, more fleshed out. I know people complain about Snack Pack being pushed aside, but, honestly, they don't have much personality in movie one, and I didn't expect them to continue have one in the sequel; I browsed through Beat Goes On maybe once, and I can adapt some of their cartoon personalities, but otherwise, I can't say I care much for canon Snack Pack XD (Kudos to all the fanfic writers who actually made them real living and breathing beings, you are the real heroes of the story pff)
And of course, I do have to mention the whole artstyle and design choice of the movie. More than ever the world of Trolls looks like someone's crafts project and I love it- it's so original, and so different from what we are used to seeing- and not only they made their designs more rounded, softer, making them loose that uncanny valley feeling, the lighting also got exponentionally better. The colours are not as aggressivelly saturated and lean more into pastels, and it definitelly fits them better.
Then of course, Trolls Band Together hit the theatres late 2023 XD I can't say I have been that impressed by the trailers? They seemed very... hmm, clishe? XD But I decided to give it a watch anyway and realized that they are finally owning what they always were meant to be - a silly, clishe, nostalgia filled jukebox musical XD Essentially, instead of trying that hard, they decided to just have fun, and you can see they are having fun making these silly movies now
(Also Velvet's and Veneer's final escape chase scene set to Sweet Dreams is a bloody banger and I haven't been so entertained in ages lol)
To wrap it up, Broppy XD Honestly, their whole relationship growth over the course of the three movies is just fantastic (and in the holiday specials! if you havent watched the one after TWT, I recommend, the feels are real) and I cannot remember if I ever seen an animated movie franchise do a slowburn like this, I really appreciate it, I don't mind that I had to wait years for canon Broppy kiss XD
And honestly, what finished it for me, it's just the lore of the whole world expanding. Being a very creative person, I do like when I have something to bite into and to play with- and with all the sequels now out, I can finally appreciate the story the first movie presented us with- now, finally, it feels like it finally fits in XD
Sorry that was probably too long but pff, you did ask XD
Tldr; Got into the fandom after TWT in 2020 but real life got in the way in contributing; TBT sparked that interest anew and enough that I wanted to finally join for real
I got lured by 90s nostalgia and fun silly craft supplies designs of everything, and also because I am sucker for slowburns and family feels
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Abnormal pf-DID system culture is being *very* overt, to the point that our friends noticed before we did. Also abnormal pf-DID is not being able to relate to most descriptions of subsystems because all of ours are either "this is multiple separate alters functioning as subsystems within subsystems" or "this is so many guys but actually only one and he will cry if you act otherwise without permission" (targeted at our host lol)
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sovereignsystem · 5 months
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* . 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙎𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙞𝙜𝙣 𝙎𝙮𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙢. *
This post will likely be added to in the future to make it a proper pinned, but for now it is just some basic info.
AKA; Bucket of Birds collective, Sunset City Coalition.
Collective name; Sovereign (or any variation of that), The Birds, or Sunset.
Collective pronouns: It/He/They.
System type: questioning PF-DID. Adult bodied
Alter list & info here: link
We also have a culture blog! @anti-endo-polyfragculture
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Tag key, alter blogs, and less important userboxes under cut
Tag Key :
This is mostly for us to remember things.
All posts made with "(([name][emoji]))" are posts written by said alter.
#((???)) {posts made when blurry or when the poster wants to remain anonymous}
#sovsys.txt {for original posts, typically about the system or plurality in general}
#sovsys.art {for art made by members of the system}
#sovsys.reclaim {reclaimed posts from endos}
#sovsys.askers {asks answered}
#sovsys.friends {friends of ours!}
Every tag that is just a name and then an emoji with nothing else is just a tag for an alter. It is put on posts that are either for another alter to see, or a post that is being reblogged by said alter.
Please ask us to tag triggers if needed, otherwise nothing will be tagged
Alter blogs :
Please note that all of these blogs, including our system blog, are sideblogs.
@gildedfeathers
[Mahir's Blog]
@dev1ltrigger
[Dante's Blog]
@johnconny
[Constantine's Blog]
@backrooms-admin
[Admin's Blog]
@bloodiedbygods
[Danny's blog] CW -> blood, sexual themes, and obsession/abusive topics
@winterz-cabin
[Ethan's Blog]
@bluegore
[Sal's Blog]
@michael-the-saint
[Michael's Blog]
@radiodeerman
[Alastor's Blog]
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ndcultureis · 1 year
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pf-DID + ADHD culture is splitting Too Fucking Many new introjects after you get a new hyperfixation and are Stressed
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cdid-pf-culture-is · 4 months
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pf-did culture is suddenly realizing that your host is *also* a subsystem
relatable.
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introjectculture-is · 2 months
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Introject Culture in pf-did is Walking around while reading a fanfic about yourself and then some shit goes down irl and then you look up and there’s suddenly another you just standing there staring at you like “wtaf” -💙⭐️
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thestarseersystem · 11 months
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What is a CDD?
Apparently, since this discourse is from months ago, but I still see a misinformed post getting passed around, I want to give my own thoughts and feelings and information on the subject, and hopefully spread more factual information, rather than to leave people confused.
CDD is sort of a community made term (sort of being that it is a medical term, but the definition is more community based). It was supposed to encompass all dissociative disorders that cause systems as an overall term for them. Not that other dissociative disorders are not complex, but that system disorders are more complex on the rung of the theory of structural dissociation. If your disorder doesn't cause you to have alters, then you're not included in that. People wanted a term to specifically separate dissociative disorders and the dissociative disorders that cause systems, so we could have our own category, and we don't have to clog up tags and otherwise for general dissociative disorders.
So what does fall under CDD? What are the disorders that can cause systemhood? Before I get into this, as an aside, you do not have to have many or any alters to fall under this category. I saw this as a point of contention in the post. Those who have reached final fusion and no longer experience identity alteration, still have the disorder that caused that previous identity alteration, as there is a possibility that they could still split. There is no cure for DID and disorders alike. I just wanted to point that out there.
The disorders that fall under the community term, "CDD", are DID, C-DID/PF-DID, P-DID, OSDD-1 and UDD. I'll get into the definitions down below.
DID, also known as dissociative identity disorder, is a disorder characterized by the presence of two or more distinct personality identities. The individual also has to experience dissociative amnesia, although it does not specify what type of dissociative amnesia, seen as any gaps or skips in memory of everyday life, personal information or of past/current traumatic events. Since it is a disorder, it also must distressing or it must disturb the individual's life, causing dysfunction. And these symptoms must exist on their own and without influence from specific cultures or substances.
C-DID/PF-DID is what's known as complex or polyfragmented dissociative identity disorder. I'm unaware of whether or not you can get diagnosed with this, but it is medically recognized. This disorder has many definitions from different sources, but the main consensus is, that this disorder is characterized by complex organization and complex splitting. This can include subsystems, for certain types of trauma, side-systems, complex alters and fragments. Due to the number of fragments, a pf DID system can appear or be large, as fragments are not fully formed alters and can split and fuse easily. If you'd like to know more, I have plenty of posts on my blog discussing polyfragmentation, as well as there being a full tag right here on tumblr. There is not a specific minimum of how many alters you can have in a polyfragmented system, that is a myth.
P-DID, also known as partial DID, is something that can be diagnosed in the ICD, and is characterized by a single dominant personality identity (alter) and several alters off to the side, impacting the ANP's (apparently normal part, also known as the host) daily life. The non-dominant alters usually do not front or take control of the consciousness, but exist as intrusive feelings and emotions. These alters can be less defined, such as being like a child, disoriented in the present, or stuck replaying a traumatic event. These personality states chronically discontinue identity and self agency.
OSDD (or DDNOS in the ICD) is known as other specified dissociative disorder. OSDD-1 specifically matches the definition for DID, except for a few missing criteria. By community definition, you may have heard of OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b. 1a is similar to P-DID, having less defined and elaborated alters, but still having dissociative amnesia. 1b is having no dissociative amnesia but having well defined and elaborated alters. These definitions are only community, so if you don't fit specifically don't worry about it. And it's only OSDD-1, as it causes a system, OSDD-2 through 4 do not, so it doesn't matter to talk about them in this case.
UDD, also known as unspecified dissociative disorder,  is characterized by symptoms clinically consistent with dissociative disorder but not meeting full criteria for any of the disorders in the dissociative disorder class. It is partial replacement for the previous diagnosis of OSDD. Like all disorders, it causes impairment and dysfunction in the individual's life. It is when no other dissociative disorders quite match the symptoms of the individual in question. I include this because it can include system disorders, as well as non-system dissociative disorders.
All of these fall under the group acronym of CDD, Complex Dissociative Disorders. No one is writing other disorders out of existence, nor is it meant to intentionally confuse people. It is in fact, the opposite, and to broaden and include all disorders that cause systems. Because I know most of us are sick of hearing a mouthful of acronyms, every time we would like to discuss our own community.
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pluralcultureis · 9 months
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tw for cult and religion mention
pf did culture is the host thinking we are faking so you have to remind them politely the we were in a FUCKING CULT and that no, most people did not have to watch a reenactment of jesus dying on the cross at the age of 7 to avoid punishment
We had to watch that pretty often too it kinda sucks :(
Really fucked up up too
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i-upset-to-dead-65 · 1 year
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Does anyone else remember that episode pf Star Trek Next Gen where Picard passes out and a dead alien race kidnap his conscious and he wakes up reliving the death of the planet meanwhile everyone is gaslighting him into thinking he was never a Starfleet captain and he has a wife and child and grows old? And then the planet explodes or whatever and be wakes up and it's been like 15min irl but Luke 20 years for him? And the reason the aliens did this was to preserve their culture through him?
Like was that fucked up or what.
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polyfragcultureis · 2 months
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Pf culture is when did I say that what the fuck when did that happen????
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chaotic-rxses-zee-01 · 6 months
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new Na'vi clan for a fic I’m making
clan name: Lei'wa
looks: similar to the Tayrangi, Olangi and Omatikaya just with tails like the sea clans for better swimming and Afro-textured hair.
the Lei'wa clan are a sea island clan off the coast of the Eastern Sea. they're an Ikran or banshee riding clan, who are known to be the first warriors to make a clean kill of a thantor or a Palulukan.
cultural inspiration (now please take note, it is purely inspired, NOT appropriation.)
many of my inspiration for the Lei'wa clan is from the Native Americans of the southwest USA, and Maasai people of Kenya. their culture is all about being amazing carvers, weavers and hunters. there are many legends in the clan and was the first clan to speak the Na'vi language after the Ni'avwe clan, or the "Official First Clan." much like the sea clans, tattoos are very important to them. they can be intricate designs on the hands and thigh to small lines or marks on the face, mainly following the person's stripes.
here is some pictures of what i mean
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(i don't know what the things they wear on their neck are called but they're so pretty)
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many women have ear gauges, kind of like Neytiri's. they can be painted to look real pretty with designs of Ikran stripes. speaking of jewelry it isn't gender specific. men can have earrings and gauges, fancy necklaces and bracelets, all of it.
when did the Sky People discover them?
about three years after the events of Avatar 2009. they were hostile at first, sending warriors to attack them. but their olo'eykte at the time Nanti made peace with them. yet when the sky people came back and Jake rallied the clans (again) they joined in the effort. many of the other Na'vi that live at Hell's Gate at the beginning of The Way of Water are from this clan, since two of their main islands, Nguway and Paytxew we're uninhabitable when they landed.
where do the Sully's tie into this?
Lei'wa was a peaceful place for a good long time, only going to war when the humans arrived. the Lei'wa were the clan that let the Sully’s stay on the long journey to Awa'atlu in the Souther Sea (I'm assuming.) they were being lead by their Olo'eykte, Eyrina and Tsahík Riki. Eyrina and Riki are sisters, and since Eyrina was female, she became Tsahík. Eyrina and her mate, Khalo later have 2 kids, a boy and a girl, the boy, Naran se Zeykoyu Khalo'Itan. and the girl, Tseyal se Zeykoyu Eyrina'Ite. Tseyal is 13 and Naran is 14.
they hung out with the kids a lot. Naran being close with Neteyam and Tseyal being good friends with Tuktirey and Kiri. the news pf Neteyam’s death spread as soon as he was buried because of Pandora’s neural connection to everyone and everything. the clan was hurt, seeing how kind and loving he was. they made the journey to Awa'atlu to help fight the Sky people.
so yeah! that was a lot to write. hope your thanksgiving was amazing, bye now loves :)
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