I was thinking about Under the Red Hood again and this scene:
[ID: four panels of the Under the Red Hood comic. Jason Todd’s monologue, as he holds the Joker at gunpoint and confronts Batman: "I’m not talking about killing Cobblepot or Scarecrow or Clayface. Not Riddler or Dent… I’m talking about him. Just him. And doing it because… because he took me away from you”. End ID]
The real heartbreak of the comic is this scene. I have seen people take Jason’s monologue and run a marathon with it arguing that Batman should kill the joker because otherwise he’s responsible for all the deaths caused by the Joker yada yada. My brother in the DC comics, that’s not the point. Jason knows Batman doesn’t kill. Jason knows that Batman won’t ever kill as a way to stop crime. He knows that. This is not Jason asking Batman to kill the Joker in order to become a better or more efficient vigilante. This is a son asking his dad to prove that he loves him by avenging him. The “Just him” is important. That’s why when Batman says he can’t cross that line because it would be too easy and that he would never come back from that, Jason is so furious. Because he’s not talking about Batman changing his way to fight crime. He’s not expecting Batman to kill anyone else. For Jason there shouldn’t be a line to be crossed, because the Joker already exploded that line when he killed Bruce’s son. Jason is asking for one thing, and Batman’s answer is about something else entirely - the big picture that Jason can’t even consider, because nothing should be more important than your son. Nothing. The heartbreak of this conversation is that Jason and Bruce couldn’t understand each other until the very end.
And it ends in tragedy.
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Let the latest patches add whatever new dialogue they write in, but Patch 0 gave me free range to ✨interpret✨ and this will forever be Greygold's canon, HA
For all intents, I did the hell heist as the last-last quest before the finale (So as to be fully prepared and supportive "finishing" babe's personal quest)
AND BECAUSE OF THIS, I was tired. Greygold was tired. I was ready to beat the game. I was rushing. STEALING FROM RAPHAEL WAS STRESSING ME OUT. and I dared not go back. So even though Greygold did not want to go through with Haarlep's "game", I couldn't have picked a worse time to forget about their "always another way" philosophy
Poor Half-orc was so determined not to fail Lae'zel's personal quest that, for once, ignored companion disapproval. And apparently, with Lae'zel not disapproving nakey Greygy, it looked like Babe was willing to retrieve that hammer no matter the cost either! Until Haarlep said they wanted nakey Greygy to play a "game" with them.
Babe disapproved that time. Babe, who's been cranky all this time, thought not even this way was worth getting the hammer for. Babe still cared about what happened to Greygold.
So by the gods, I happily reloaded and thankfully found a different way, HUAH. Thank you, Babe. Found out later that apparently going the Haarlep way would've suuuuucked. Saved by the babe.
Thus I concluded why Babe was so cranky and can't kiss to save her life (I'm looking at you patch 6). And why Greygold's never had another hrm- pleasant conversation with Emps since the last time.
Poor sleep-deprived Lae'zel was bugged as hell killer coconut not because she was mad at Greyg, but because she'd been burning through all of her energy and affection by trying to protect Greygold from any further illithidry influence.
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hot take: jason and steph would get along not because they can relate to each other but because he would be one of the only batfam members to treat her with genuine respect and she would be one of the only batfam members to not judge him for how he views justice
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Reading Red Robin is like-
fandom really played like a long game of telephone with this run because almost every popular trope that fanon likes to explore is like taken out of context from red robin
for example, back when i read fanon i would eat up the "Damian cut Tim's line" fics where it's like sad boy Tim and mean Damian and Dick finding out is always such an important plot line in these
but then in the actual book:
Damian cutting his line is a minor moment and immediately followed by them fighting physically with Tim winning
And the only reason Damian even did that is that Tim was still mistrusting him
and Dick knows about the whole thing-he helped solve the problem
there is also the fanon storyline of like Tim feeling super betrayed because no one believed him until they actually got Bruce back.
which is just. not what happened. at all?
Dick is always willing to believe him
and when Tim actually explains himself Dick listens and trusts him
Then Tim's characterization in fanon is also just like flanderised version of rr!Tim
Fanon is basically someone seeing a vaguely worded list of plot points in red robin and then making shit up from there and it so funny to me
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@sootslash @fog-and-the-frost i miss you so much currentpaw you are the sun itself you little ray of sunshine your death HURT
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you cannot tease wei wuxian and hua cheng hunting for funsies and not show that to us??? it has to go one of two ways right? either an absolute visious blood bath where everyone cowers in fear or the equivalent of a teenage girl's slumber party. both??? both.
Hunting each other for sport is the keystone to a fun slumber party
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