fixed some mspec mono exclusionist posts

inspired by @fixing-bad-posts

(1) Truth be told, you are radical, cool, and inclusive for being mspec lesbian. You are literally good man.

(2) Important reminder that contradictory labels just means you're so hot!

(3) being mspec gay makes me gay

(4) Just a reminder that mspec lesbians exist and are lesbian. Happy Pride Month!

(5) mspec lesbians interact with me <3

(6) It's exclusionist to hate mspec lesbians

solidarity symbol between misunderstood and complex labels.

bi straight, bi gay, bi lesbian, gray asexual.

the other day i got a hate ask aimed at mspec lesbians. i blocked it without fully reading it, but i think it merits a mention that, of what i glimpsed, it was mostly just blatant fatphobia. and it made me think about how, when i see an aphobic comment, 9 times out of 10 it's left by a terf.

though they may hide behind wanting to protect some marginalized groups, exclusionists are never actually progressive. it's all just the same bigots every time.

anyway here are some reminders to the rest of you

"how can you be bi and a lesbian that doesn't make any sense" it's called multitasking next question

Happy Pride Month to ALL LGBTQ/MOGAI peoples!!!

Pan lesbian flag by @bi-lesbian :>

Anyways reminder to all lesbians with intricate, seemingly contradictory, and/or otherwise ‘unusual’ relationships with their gender and/or orientation that I love you all so much and am giving you all lil kisses and hugs rn if you want them

-from your local butch lesbian with a very complicated relationship with both my gender and orientation <3

i love you non-aspec spilt attraction model users i love you multigender people i love you trans men with sapphic history i love you genderfluix people i love you cusper and evenic people i love you genderqueer people i love you trans women with achillean history i love you abrosexuals and abromantics i love you attractional fluidity i love you complexities of the human experience i love you i love you you are love and i love you

repost, og feb 7, 2023

The terms "bi lesbian" and "lesbian man" are older than y'all think but none of you are ready for that conversation yet

"bi lesbian in a straight relationship" i cannot stop laughing there is not a single lesbian thing about you

Actually, there is a lot of lesbian things about me. However, seeing as you have the same mental capacity as a bigot, I don't think I'll waste my typing all the things that make me out.

What I will do is turn your stupidity into a post that boosts my fellow mspecs and co.

We have always been queer. We will always be queer. If gender is not binary, then neither is sexuality.

Grow tfu, see some tiddy action + cope + seethe + stay woke

BI LESBIAN DEMI GURL 4 LIFE YO 😘

Meme based on a conversation my wife and I just had about how exclusionist lesbians will tell us, a genderqueer aspec lesbian and an agender pan lesbian, that we aren't """"real"""" lesbians because we're not "women exclusively attracted to women," even though that's not what lesbian means 🙄

ANYWAYS, we're ALL "real" lesbians, whether you're an exclusionist or not. But just because some of us don't fit into your neat little Lesbian Box™ doesn't mean we're suddenly not valid in our experiences as lesbians. Thank you, goodnight 👋🏾

You're a lesbian if you feel like one. You're a lesbian if you also like men. You're a lesbian if you ARE a man. You're a lesbian if you're also aro. You're a lesbian if you're also ace. You're a lesbian if you're aroace—

The entirety of tumblr is going to cancel me for saying this but as a monosexual lesbian, mspec lesbians and lesboys are 100% real and valid. Their existence does not make them horrible people. Your boogeyman doesn't exist. Exclusionist and terf ideals do not belong in lesbianism.

to preface this ask: im not trying to be rude or disrespectful, im just trying to learn/see where you’re coming from.

how can someone identify as a mspec lesbian? the definition of lesbian is non-men loving non-men? if someone is mspec, it implies that they are attracted to men. the whole point of lesbianism is to not include men. someone can’t be a lesbian if they are a man or attracted to men, can they? i understand that sexuality is fluid, but if a person is currently at a point where they are a non-man loving only non-men, then that person could identify as a lesbian. is it not lesbiphobic to imply that lesbianism has anything to do with men, when the entire point of it is that it doesn’t involve men?

I'm not an mspec lesbian, but I've been researching and involved in discourse for about a year now, so I'll give it a shot. @bi-lesbian has a lot of good information on faer blog if you want to check that out.

(1) The non-men loving non-men definition is... not something I'm a fan of. That throws the complexity of gender out the window and comes off as equating nonbinary lesbians to Basically Women. This definition leaves out multigender lesbians (like me!), nonbinary lesbians with a partial connection to maleness, or genderfluid lesbians who are sometimes men. The definitions I like that are more inclusive are "queer attraction to women" or "women, or those with some connection to womanhood, who love women (or those with some connection to womanhood)."

(2) The "whole point" of lesbianism is NOT to not include men. The "whole point" of lesbianism is ✨women✨. I don't want to define myself around men, full stop. I'm a lesbian because I love women and whether I'm attracted to men or not has nothing to do with it. Not everything has to be about men, jfc tumblr. (Anger is not necessarily directed at you, anon, just the partriarchy that taught us we have to talk about men all the time constantly).

(3) See point (1) for someone identifying as both a man and a lesbian, and as far as being unable to identify as a lesbian and also being attracted to men... pre-1970s, the term lesbian included all women (and transmasc/nonbinary people though the terminology wasn't quite there yet) who loved women. Bisexuals and other mspecs, totally included. Then, radfems- because it's always radfems- decided "eww man icky" and pushed anyone associated with men out of their community. Bisexuals were excluded from lesbian spaces and had to form their own community, but lesbian used to include all WLW (functionally how we might use sapphic now) and some people want to reclaim the historical definition.

(4) Sexuality is fluid, and complex. Much like dividing gender into "men" and "non-men" doesn't work, dividing attraction into "attracted to men" and "not attracted to men" doesn't really work either. The split attraction model (different romantic and sexual orientations) allows for the possibility of someone being biromantic homosexual or bisexual homoromantic- both bi and a lesbian. There are also forms of alterous attraction- sensual, aesthetic, queerplatonic, etc. Orientation is typically defined around sexual/romantic attraction, so if someone is a lesbian in those attractions but is alterously attracted to men and other genders, they could fall under mspec lesbian. It's also possible to be unsure if you're attracted to men and include yourself with both communities, or feel attraction to men so little the lesbian experience resonates with you, or feel attraction to men but only form relationships with women. Like I said, you really can't divide it into attracted to men or not.

(5) Mspec doesn't necessarily mean attracted to men, either. Polysexuality is being attracted to many but not all genders. So by your definition, non-men attracted to non-men, lesbians can be attracted to all genders that are not men. Which is a lot of genders, if you're not transphobic and think nonbinary is Basically Woman. A woman who loves women and nonbinary people is attracted to multiple genders (mspec) and attracted to non-men (lesbianism), so your own ask already confirmed that this is possible.

(6) It's not lesbophobic. It's just people living their lives and describing themself in the terms they think fit best. No one's saying all lesbians have to be attracted to men. The entire point isn't that it doesn't involve men, the entire point doesn't surround men at all. The entire point is loving women, regardless of the inclusion or lack thereof of other genders. It's much more lesbophobic to force lesbians to talk about men in every aspect of our identity than to let lesbians like men or not like men or just live our lives loving women.

Hope this helps, and taught you something

Every time someone says "lesbian means nonmen loving nonmen" in response to bi lesbians, there is a kitten out there who will find a bi lesbian and cuddle with them to make up for your shit

I just wanna thank the people who've supported me and wished for my well being when I came out as a pan lesbian during pride month. this includes friends that i made/kept both online and offline, my girlfriend, all the lovely people in my discord server who stayed and lots of lovely people who rooted for me on tumblr and twitter

Anyways reminder to bi & other mspec lesbians from your local mono lesbian that I love and support you <3