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p4nishers · 7 months

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I find it very hard to understand everyone's confusion regarding who he was talking to when he said “I know what kind of god I need to be. For you.” In the doorway, Sylvie runs off, but Mobius is frozen and horrified. Mobius is the Loki expert. Mobius knows then that Loki isn’t coming back and just stares in fear and petrification. Loki knew those words had meaning to only them, and those are the ones he chose as his farewell. Then he turns and advances towards the loom, where the Lokius theme was playing as he became the God of Stories because it was through Mobius’ guidance and unconditional love and support that they’ve come this far.

Mobius explaining to Loki in s2e2, "because it's not my life, this is. the tva is the only life i've ever known, i like it. i wanna thank the guy who brought me here, got me this pie." and the juxtaposition to the revelation that Loki is the one who brought Mobius to the tva in the first place and gave him his own Glorious Purpose makes him leaving the tva the moment Loki isn't there anymore louder than ever in terms of how real their love is. It proves Mobius truly stayed at the tva because he had Loki. He only decided to finally see his tl because loki wasn’t around anymore — he felt no other purpose to stay. But really there’s no purpose for him in his st either. Loki is his purpose. Loki is his life.

Mobius didn’t choose to leave the TVA just because Loki wasn’t there anymore but because he knew Loki couldn’t see him there as well. So, he chose to stay in his og timeline because at least in one of the infinite timelines where Loki reigned over, Loki could still see him as opposed to in the tva, a place that exists outside of time.

Loki HEARING Mobius means that they are connected. They could have literally had that same scene but with Sylvie in Mobius' place - but no, it was Mobius who Loki heard. It is Mobius whom Loki is looking after. They are together in spirit. And Mobius knows that. He knows that Loki sees him and that's the most important thing. As sad as it is, Mobius being alone and depressed without Loki is better than him being happy and nonchalant about Loki being gone (like Sylvie). Mobius is lost without Loki, he can't live without him, whereas Sylvie can. This just solidifies how real their love is. Loki watching over Mobius and smiling upon hearing his voice was not only insanely romantic but also solidifies whom that “for you” was truly meant for. “For you” was for Mobius. “For all of us” was for his found family. (sorry this got so long i just think their love story is very impactful)

this. all of this.

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boredintjqueen · 5 months

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I have a theory:

Here's what we know:

Our Loki, TVA Loki, is a variant. Therefore variants can affect and be affected by the Sacred Timeline even if they're not from the Sacred Timeline.

A variant simply being in a different timeline cannot cause a branch- that's why in the Pompeii apocalypse Mobius suggests making 'bird noises'. If you don't cause enough of a disturbance you can get away with it.

Loki is canonically bisexual, genderfluid, and capable of shapeshifting.

The 'Centuries' Loki spent studying had to have been spent in the Sacred Timeline because any other branch would have disappeared too quickly.

Loki would have to leave before Don's nexus event.

Loki couldn't have spent centuries on the Sacred Timeline as himself because people would recognise him and he would risk encountering the Sacred variant.

Don's wife is 'long gone', he never says he's divorced.

Don's children, Sean and Kevin are very much like Thor and Loki (one likes snakes and the other likes chaos) while Don is nothing like Odin which leads me to this conclusion:

Loki timeslipped back to the Sacred Timeline as a woman to study whatever he needed to study and during the course of that time he married and had children with Don. He couldn't stay long enough because Don is mortal and Loki probably didn't want to watch him die, so he existed in a time-loop that amounted to centuries, a time-loop that ended at a point in time where Don assumed his wife simply up and left him. Loki probably used a different name which is why Don didn't know his name when Loki timeslips to him the first time but he did find him familiar enough to trust.

I wouldn't put it past the creatives behind the show to leave these breadcrumbs for us to draw this conclusion even if they would never admit it to the higher-ups. The higher-ups couldn't even let lokius happen, so no way they were aware of these breadcrumbs.

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lightneverfades · 8 months

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Frostiron AU (Loki: Season 2) | What if Loki time-slips to a point in time when Tony is still alive?

Part I / Part II / Part III

This is an AU where Loki and Tony were both in a relationship before the whole 2012 events of Avengers (which caused a major schism in their relationship). This Loki never had a chance to apologise before he is brought to the TVA, then told of Tony's inevitable fixed fate in Avengers: End Game.

Mini fic below!

BEFORE

"Tony Stark sacrificed his life--," Mobius spoke, and the bearded man continued to speak about Tony's achievements and inevitable fate, but all Loki could hear were the last words he had uttered to Tony out of pure spite on the open balcony of Stark Tower.

"I never loved you, Stark. You were merely a tool to help me ascend to my true throne!"

It was all a lie, and yet that had been the single most effective lie he had ever said to Stark. The look of anguish that had contorted Tony's features had already been hard to watch, but the overlap of pain that had later dimmed the usual glimmer in Tony's eyes had been what left Loki feeling utterly broken and guilty inside. And yet, in spite of all that agony, Loki had gone along with the Chitauri's plans, their influence on him too strong to resist as he destroyed everything in his path and hurt the one person he held dear.

Stark... Loki thought as he gazed at the TVA recording room wall with an overwhelming sense of numbness, the cold seeping through his blood and within his bones.

I never got a chance to say goodbye.

And he never would, because the TVA had stolen that chance from him.

NOW

Ripped, torn, shredded and rebuilt in a few seconds was not an ordinary sensation one felt in a lifetime, and having experienced this more than once, Loki had assumed he was going to travel back and forth from the past to the present within the boundaries of the TVA. He had braced himself for the next one when he felt a particularly large set of invisible claws suddenly pierce his back, ensnaring him once more within its clutches as his feet slipped, his back tugged so forcefully that his head also snapped back, his body being swung and then pulled like a ragdoll. A small cry barely left his lips before his body was pushed right back onto solid ground, his impeccable balance the only thing keeping him from toppling over outright.

Loki barely had a chance to look around his surroundings and get his bearings before he heard a voice.

"Loki?"

Tony's voice echoed, and Loki's whole body froze on the spot as the dizziness subsided somewhat.

Loki tried to speak, but he couldn't as he found himself staring at Tony, utter shock stealing any words or thoughts that Loki had. He was alive. Tony Stark... was alive!

And just as quickly as his body was recovering from the pull of the time slip, Loki felt the awful tug grabbing ahold of his neck, an invisible assailant unwilling to let him go. Panic raced through his blood as he realized he was being pulled back, and taken away again. But damn if he was going to leave without saying anything.

"Stark, I'm sorry for everythi-!"

That was all Loki could manage before his voice crackled away like a broken speaker, a single tear slipping and then vaporizing into the air as his physical atoms were ripped and pulled in all directions.

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percheduphere · 6 months

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SHELL-SHOCK

Clearly, Mobius is grieving, but more than grieving, I think he's shell-shocked. In gifs 1 and 3, he possesses the thousand-yard stare. From his perspective, everything happens so quickly and without explanation. One moment, he's standing near his best friend, the next, his best friend locks him out and is gone. There was no time to prepare emotionally for what was going to happen. This is the look of dissociation, which Mobius is only pulled out of when Verity, and later Sylvie, asks if he's okay (he isn't).

In gif 2, Mobius is blinking rapidly. It's the kind of physical reflex that occurs when someone is just on the verge of tears. He is on the cusp of it, but the breakdown isn't happening. It's not coming out. What stands in the way of a much-needed cry is understanding what happened and why. I'm sure Mobius is smart enough to figure out the logical why, but he must be asking himself the emotional why, "Why didn't Loki tell me?"

I don't think Mobius has had enough time to properly enter the deeper stages of grief yet. At best, he is in denial. He chooses to "Just wait a while... Let time pass" in hopes Loki will return because he has developed a profound trust that Loki would.

The TVA

We learn through Sylvie's astute understanding of her variant self that for Loki, it wasn't really about the TVA but what the TVA represents: his friends. Mobius, it cannot be denied, is his best friend. The entire argument he has with Sylvie is prefaced with arguing about what Mobius wants.

What Mobius wants, like Loki, falls to the wayside due to the needs of the greater good. Mobius only leaves the TVA once Loki is gone, which suggests that the TVA represents the same thing for him in reverse. And he must look--is forced to look--at his timeline because Loki sacrificed himself for it to exist.

Yet Mobius still has no place to call home because this timeline already has another version of himself in it. Mobius must build his own life somehow like Sylvie. The difference between them, however, is that Loki always meant more to him than her.

THE EMBRACE FROM AFAR

I love the green flare lens they use in this shot. Mobius is absolutely embraced in Loki's colors. Mobius is surrounded by love and gentleness, watched from afar, but I'm not sure if Loki understands how much his loss actually means to Mobius.

What we do know is what the loss of Mobius means to Loki:

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idonotlikethatsam-i-am · 7 months

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rock with me, but. mobius alone for awhile. starting out with talking to the stars and sky on a late not on a park bench with "hey loki.... i don't know if you'll hear me- probably not and I'm being silly but... just in case. just if you possibly do" and going on to tell loki about what he saw, or just about his day generally.

he doesn't need to, mind you. loki has been watching. the whole time, he's been watching. at first it started with being distracted by all the branches of time; there's so much to see. but on the first call from mobius he can FEEL it, like a string being tugged, and then its all he can focus on. yes, he keeps all the other infinite strands of time alive as well, but... his focus is always on mobius. his mobius.

sylvie comes to check on mobius eventually. gives him her/HWR's tempad. says "you're being a bit of a mope, why not take a walkabout. find yourself or something. i had a good run, but it seems like you might need it, for now. get me home first, though, yeah? and visit me, once in awhile." and he does, both get her home and visits.

between visits, he's off taking in the views of a bunch of different lokis from all around the timeline(s), seeing his many moments of glory but never intervening, never interacting. just, watching, as he always did. just up close this time.

a fair amount of days of mobius just talking to the stars - talking to loki - while following his various adventures turns into weeks, and months, and then one moment mobius just. looks up at the stars with a sigh like "....i miss you, you asshole. i hope you know that. i didn't even get to say goodbye. I really hope you hear me. I hope you have the whole damn time."

wonder how long til that emptiness and sadness and longing turns to bitterness at loki doing all of that without a word edgewise. like. loki didnt explain, he just gave one at look at sylvie and mobius and then walked off into fucking radiation city. loki didnt even say he stood up for mobius. he just. walked. said he was doing it for them - for sylvie, for mobius, but he didnt explain any more. and kept fucking walking. mobius looked fucking terrified watching him. fists clenched knuckle white when he realised loki was going where he couldn't, with no way to follow, and no goodbye given. which... terror turns to anger, anger turns to sad - which we see bc of him leaving the fucking tva - sad turns to hopelessness, hopelessness turns to observation, and then, from there, bitterness at being left behind once again by a loki gone off to who the fuck knows where.

which. that rattles loki. loki, thinking he should stay away at first, to try to let mobius find his place on the timeline. like. hes not sure what mobius's pattern is at first, he's so distracted by everything else but eventually its his mobius he tunes into time and time again, and eventually all others fade to the background when he finally realises what mobius's pattern is. and, its him. its loki, its the best hits, and thats breaks him in a way he hadn't expected. its one of mobius's monologues on a bench late at night, tear stained and drunk and miserable that pulls him from the throne, though.

"you fucking LEFT. you left, and you walked out to the goddamn loom - something we all thought would rip us to shreds without the damn suit, something we both argued over doing - and then you vanished. you fucking left me, loki, again, and what the hell was i supposed to think besides that you found somewhere better and more powerful to be." and he's ACHING, its a deep, bone deep agony of bitterness that has festered through pained, hot tears.

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aritks · 7 months

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Loki and Mobius changed eachothers lifes. And you literally can see it.

Mobius changed Loki's life, thanks to Mobius, he found himself, he "saved his life", he is now a person with a new light thanks to Mobius.

But Loki also changed Mobius life.

From seeing the TVA as just some work, when the question of choosing the timeline he came from or the TVA, he chosed the TVA, because he is happy being there. But now that Loki is gone, we realised that all this time TVA was only special WITH Loki for him.

And now that there is no Loki, he seems lost like doesn't know what to do. Leaves the TVA, goes to his timeline. And there is nothing happy and special in the air. Is like.. bland. Depressing.

Is like Mobius was the light at first that made Loki change, but in the second season Loki is now the light for Mobius eyes, that made him also change his feelings.

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kiteblue42 · 7 months

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Part 4 of - what the heck is going on with Mobius anyway?

S2e5 - the one with where they get the band back together

Disclaimer- I’m a single parent and found it hard to be objective watching this one. For me this episode was a very perfect reflection of how hard, lonely it can be to bring up children by yourself and how you willingly give up so much of yourself for them. They did this very well - I hope they don’t screw this up in the final episode.

A good life, but not a happy one

Mobius timeline life is good but not super happy. He comes across as struggling and lonely. Mobius works 6 days a week, he tries to sell Loki one of his jet skis that he no longer can use, he’s constantly being interrupted at work by his kids, the house is chaos and he had to leave the boys to fend for themselves selves while he was at work (therefore he has no friends or family to watch them or money to pay for childcare). This is a person struggling to keep it together, but he does manage to do so for his boys and he manages to stay kind and positive towards them. The boys are the top of his list of priorities “I can’t leave my boys”/ “I need to check on the kids” “I got to get back to my boys” “I’ll know”. This all speaks of someone who has given up his own wants for the kids and feels guilty about doing anything for himself.

Given the slightly flippant tone of “long gone” when discussing his wife I think it likely she left rather than died (or blipped) - as that’s not how a grieving widower is likely to speak (especially if he might be overheard by the boys).

The whisper of adventure

There are a number of signs that Mobius has a desire for adventure. His love of jet skis, the fact he immediately agreed to try out the time door, how much he loved the idea of being “Mobius.” (“Mobius is a pretty cool name”)

The idea of being your better self

It wasn’t just adventure for fun that’s calling his name though but also the idea of being something more. Mobius reacted emotionally to the idea of himself as someone that would “save my life when I first arrived”. His delivery of “I sell Jet Skis man” showed how little he thought of himself, but also a desire to be something more.

Loneliness

This exchange killed me:

Loki “you saved my life when I first arrived. You saw something in me I hadn’t seen in myself”

Mobius “Are you really my friend?”

Loki “I am”.

Just the way Mobius says this tell us how much he really really wants to believe he could have a friend like this.

Loki’s view of Mobius

Once again the major topic of conversation between Sylvie and Loki is Mobius (this is becoming a theme - and if they do get Sylvie and Loki together it’s just mad and funny).

Anyway this conversation tells us that Loki believed Mobius when he said the TVA was the “only life he knew” and that he “liked it”. Of course there’s an element of this being wishful thinking on Loki’s part, but he is pretty insistent that Mobius should be given the choice. So Loki thinks (at least until Sylvie talks him out of it) that there is a good chance Mobius would chose the TVA - and himself. And as Frigga once said (Thor: dark world) Loki is “.. so perceptive about everyone but yourself”. So I don’t think we should dismiss Loki’s perception about Mobius. (He is also pretty insistent in his conversation with Mobius that “this is not the life of the man I know”. And there’s enough for viewers to see “Mobius” is more at ease with himself than “Don”.)

Sylvie undermines this and persuades Loki he is being selfish. (Side note - Sylvie puzzles me this season and in particular in this episode- if you watch closely she sees that her McDonalds meal disappears and Loki’s drink in the bar disappear too - but says nothing to Loki and does everything to stop Loki from trying to fix it - is it just denial or something more sinister?)

Last episode

So some theory based predictions for Ep 6

Themes that still need payoff:

- order & chaos

- Partners & Friends & loneliness

- Hard choices

Th end of the last episode has me thinking we may get a happy ending because it would be narratively neat to leave Loki surrounded by his new TVA family - especially after the way last episode was concluded.

It would pay off the themes positively as follows:

order & chaos - Loki (chaos) working with TVA (order) to give balance

Partners & Friends & loneliness - Loki and his misfit friends get to stay together so they don’t have to be alone

Hard choices - this one worries me but it would be possible for a number of hard choices to be made that still ends up in a good place (even if it doesn’t seem like it will at the time).

Hard choices Mobius

I think this is aimed specifically at Mobius - Loki made his hard choice in Ep 5 when he was willing to let this team go. I’m hoping they will be able to square the circle with Mobius and his family, because he’ll *not* be ok without the boys or without Loki (& the TVA).

Given this is a time travel show with magic I don’t see why they can’t find an solution to that - because the issue is about not having enough time to both look after the boys and look after yourself. I’ll be super disappointed if they make this unnecessarily miserable by making Mobius give up either his fulfilling life & friends at the TVA or his boys. Though I also won’t be surprised to see this as a plot point. If they try to sell it to me as Mobius being super happy to return to his life I’ll be doubly annoyed.

In theory the boys timeline should be long gone so this choice should not exist, but they seem to be setting up this hard choice for Mobius in particular ( so maybe the loom explosion was meant to be a full reset).

Hanging threads & wild cards

X5 /Brad /Zaniac - is still in the TVA - is he going to cause chaos as they try to fix the loom?

Renslayer - is in the void - will she tame Alioth? Is Miss Minutes really gone or does she have another instance in the citadel at the end of time?

Kang - is HWR really behind everything? Are all the events just one pre-planned trap of HWR?

Sylvie - Sylvie knew more than she has told anyone (eg she saw the disappearance of items and said nothing). She has HWR tempad. Loki treats her like she has words of wisdom so we also tend to accept she is right or benign, but her last piece of advice was completely wrong. She has been acting pretty oddly all season too - what’s up with that? (Worth remembering she is a Loki variant and they are generally not to be trusted).

Romance

My own reading of Mobius remains that he lost his heart to Loki sometime around S1e2. By S1e5 he’d accepted this, but concluded it wasn’t going anywhere - so conveniently he didn’t need to exactly work out what the feelings were. Mainly because Loki was focused on Sylvie. This episode doesn’t change that since we don’t get any TVA Mobius.

Loki on the other hand did give more away this episode - and it was the first one (for me) where it looked like his feelings could be romantic or at least headed that way. Whenever he talks about saving his friends we all know this primarily means Mobius. I mean how much interaction has he really had with the others? The discussion in the bar was particularly instructive- he wants Mobius to have the choice (this is *after* seeing him on the timeline when he knows what Mobius would be giving up) and he desperately hopes Mobius would choose to stay with him. But Sylvie persuades him otherwise.

Sylvie - there is really no sign of the romance from last season left here. Loki does still greatly admire Sylvie. I’d say Loki almost hero worships her - and especially takes what she says about free will and choice as authoritative (as if she were an expert on it). This is consistent with his romantic feelings from s1e4,5&6 which seemed to grow out of his admiration for her radical / free spirit nature. But by this episode it didn’t seem to be romantic any more - rather a mentor / mentee conversation. Loki did not declare he wanted Sylvie back or even anything close to it - and it would have been the obvious time to do that.

Sylvie has never seemed particularly romantically interested in Loki to me. She kissed him to distract him in s1e6 and no doubt thinks he’s quite hot, but that’s all I’m getting. I actually like this about her as a character (she’s just not that into you Loki sorry). I hope she is a bit more villainous than we know (a bit more basic Loki if you will) otherwise she has been a bit of a spare part this season.

I am not expecting any romance from the last episode though mainly because:

(1) I don’t think there is time to do either romance option justice with all the other plot points to be resolved (2) romance is not central to the plot of season 2 - they have pushed the friendship / found family theme hard and that will do for plotting & emotional payoff purposes, and (3) if you want to be commissioned for season 3 you don’t resolve romantic tension. We’re on Tumblr so we all know there are a significant chunk of fans of any media that follow the stories for the romance aspect - and we all know this audience is likely to be very loyal, vocal on social media and will predictably turn up to watch the next season just to see how it plays out. If they resolve a romance arc either way too early they kill a lot of interest in season 3 - people are always more interested in “will they won’t they” than an established relationship.

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pocket-dust-starr · 7 months

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LOKI FINALE SPOILERS!!!

PLEASE SKIP IF U DONT WANT SPOILERS!!

Wow

I loved that.

I want to talk about Mobius’ ending. Loki has gone and become basically the keeper of Yggdrasil but on the multiversal scale, but what has Mobius got? He’s back to the old way at the TVA except now that Loki’s not there he doesn’t want to be there either. So he leaves, and he leaves to his variants life that we saw in episode 5, except there’s still no Loki showing up. His variant is busy with the kids so Mobius can only watch from afar, and then even when Sylvie says it’s weird without Loki, the camera focuses on Mobius’ reaction with his soft and sad little “yeah…”

Sylvie is able to go out and live her life again but even she knows how important Loki must have been for Mobius for her to comfort him. She on the other hand, only seems to be comforting Mobius over the loss of Loki, she herself doesn’t seem as upset.

She even asks what he will do now and the camera stays on his face for a good 10 seconds and he says “let time pass….”

just for this phrase to be repeated into the next scene with the music as Loki sits upon his throne within the tree of branches.

now with Loki, I honestly think he has become the God of Time. Because,

1, he learnt to control his time slipping, able to go back and forth in time as well as through to different branches.

2, after time slipping for so long, he learns how to STOP TIME and even He Who Remains was like woah okay damn.

3, he built up enough courage and determination to destroy the loom (which I’m guessing would need shit tons of power???? Like?), and he grabs the branches OF TIME, literally holding the physical embodiment of universes, and weaves them together into the tree (which I think is Yggdrasil). 4, Mobius saying let time pass is echoed multiple times as the final shot of Loki and the tree appear, further signifying he is now the god of time.

5, the time stone was green and so is Loki and the tree, just saying

#Loki #loki season 2 #holy fuck #i could write an essay on this #mobius #Sylvie #lokius #marvel #mcu

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lucianalight · 6 months

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Loki S2 Review

I rewatched S2 and I liked it even more on the second watch. I'm giving it a 6 out of 10 in average(8 for the finale). Since I didn't post a review week by week like for S1, I'm just going to talk about the main things I liked/disliked

The Improvements & Things I liked:

The pace and the narrative's tone and framing have changed. While the pace drops sometimes, these moments aren't as boring as S1. Meaning you don't want to constantly check when it's going to end(like you know, S1 and especially 1x06). The narrative is neutral and doesn't villain code Loki and hero code others. It doesn't turn Loki into a clown, a punching bag or someone who deserves humiliation(I guess they've done enough of that in S1). On the contrary the characters are shown as flawed people, with Loki being the most moral, considerate, logical and heroic amongst them.

They stated bluntly in episode 1, that what TVA used to do, were atrocities. That they were killing numerous innocent people who had a right to live their lives as they chose.

The characters were three dimensional, likable or tolerable despite their actions in S1. They showed remorse for the things they had done. Although the way the narrative chose to go about it in S1 still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It shouldn't happen to you for you to realize sth is wrong. But at least it was shown that the characters weren't slaughtering people mindlessly and some of them deep down knew it was wrong. Although the fact that they still did it, because of the "greater good", and "woe is me! It's not a comfort it's a burden" attitude about it is repulsive.

OB, Casey and Timely being funny, cute nerds and fanboys :D

Loki using amazing magical stuff and DID YOU SEE THE GREEN MAGICAL GLOW IN HIS EYES?*incoherent screaming*

No Romance. It was unnecessary and rushed in S1. This time they focused more on Loki needing friends and that was definitely a better choice imo and what they should have gone for in S1 too.

Sylvie's actions and personality framed as what they were. She wasn't put on a pedestal as this amazing different FeMaLe version of Loki. She was framed as a flawed character with wrong and right actions and beliefs.

Loki and Sylvie's talk in the pie land, about change, hope, fixing what's broken and being gods. That sigh before Loki saying "We are gods" with all the weight of the world on his shoulders. Wonderful acting.

The ending and its epic soundtrack.

Topics & Things That Could Have Been Handled Better:

The Topic of New York Invasion

"Sometimes a rage builds up and you just gotta let it out. Do you remember that time I was so angry with my father and my brother, I went down to Earth and I held the whole of New York city hostage with an alien army? Tried to use the mind stone on Tony Stark? It didn't work so I threw him off the building. It wasn't tactical. I lost it"

On the surface it looks like Loki's saying that's why he attacked New York and probably most people accept this without a second thought.

But the context of the scene matters. We see during the interrogation Mobius loses his temper. He was worried about Loki getting angry, but he was the one who loses his temper and hits Brad. Loki tries to calm him down by sympathizing with him to try and see what caused his behavior. It's the same thing he did for Thor in the first movie, before coronation and after it, while Thor was nervous and angry. What he says about New York while isn't the whole truth, it also isn't untrue. He was angry with Thor and Odin but as we know his anger and thoughts were influenced by the scepter. We also know Loki doesn't like to talk about his time with Thanos or being tortured. Instead he uses a half-truth, sth that is in character for Loki.

So the scene can be rationalized by this analysis but it's still annoying that this analysis is even needed. They should have been clear about the scepter's influence especially when mcu confirmed it.

Loki thinking about Thor's change as being a weakness. While both Thor and Loki were groomed and taught to consider being soft as a weakness, that wasn't Loki's true feelings. At least I don't think someone who prefers words and magic-that are considered a weakness in Asgard-over brawn thinks like that. His goal in the first movie was to goad Thor into fighting him. So the line should have been sth like this: "Asgard taught us being soft is a weakness, so I used that against Thor to goad him into a fight. I said he's gone soft…"

Plotholes and things that weren't explained.

Why Loki and Sylvie weren't sent to their original timelines like others? And why neither of them showed any interest in seeking their family? You're telling me Loki wants to see these people he knows for 10 seconds more than Frigga or Thor? OOC.

Sylvie's sudden mastery of magic since 1x06 isn't explained. She didn't know much, but then suddenly could do everything Loki did. I mean I can headcanon that her and Loki linking their power taught her some things but these sudden developments without any explanations are annoying.

Loki's genderfluidity. No mention of it at all. Although I believe that no representation is better than bad representation. And you should leave a topic alone if you don't understand it, otherwise you're gonna mess it up. Because bad rep can be more harmful. And so maybe it was a good thing mcu let that one go. But they could still fix it with some shapeshifiting, explaining its difference with illusions and Loki confirming that he is comfortable in her female form.

Loki's clothes. It's probably not that important in comparison with other issues but I really hate that beige suit. Why Sylvie who doesn't even want to be Loki and wasn't in Asgard since childhood changes into an Asgardian outfit for a fight and not Loki? Yeah I get it. It was because of the last reveal and transformation and finding his identity blah blah blah but at least they could have gave him his old Asgardian clothes or he could change the suit's color ugh

Criticism & Things I didn't like:

The ooc moments for Loki in some comedic scenes. Especially in episode 5. While the character has a comedic potential, it's not based on clownery or clumsiness. The best humorous moments for Loki are the ones where he outwits others, use sarcastic language or he is being outwitted despite his careful plans.

Certain emotional stakes aren't clear from the start. The audience know that saving TVA is the right thing because it protects all the freed timelines but they don't know why they should care? Or more accurately why Loki is so emotionally invested in this goal. That gets answered in episode 5 and while Loki's talk with Sylvie is a good emotional scene, the fact that it's stated so late in the story, makes the first few episodes boring when it comes to saving TVA.

The main reason the emotional stakes aren't clear(at least for me), I believe is because most of the people Loki call them his "friends", haven't done anything to either deserve his friendship or aren't close enough to be considered a friend. Let alone someone Loki tries to move heaven and hell to be with them, instead of for example trying to find his brother and family. It is an issue which again is rooted in S1 and carried to S2. What happened in S1 wasn't therapy or a healthy friendship.

However, Loki being loyal to anyone who show him an ounce of affection or him being moral enough to try to save people are in character for him and that's sth good about it.

The torture scene.

The trick Mobius and Loki pulled was predictable as hell. I didn't even doubted Loki in TDW, let alone here. And even though I didn't believe for one second that Loki's actually going to hurt the guy, and he wasn't shown enjoying it, I still hated that he went along with the torture idea Mobius had come up with. Especially considering the fact that he was a victim of torture himself and never shown any sign in canon that he would torture someone. So yeah I hated that scene.

And why that scene was even necessary? Loki could get into X-5's mind when they weren't in TVA. We know he is capable of it. He did it both through mind stone in Avengers and in TR. how else they were going to delve into Mobius' problem though smh

But alright let's say they needed a scene like that. Still the whole Brad believing Mobius is against torture, and Loki's the one who would be in favor of it, is so fucking ridiculous. Any way you look at it, it has always been TVA and Mobius who did any torture we've seen during the two seasons. The tortures that Loki endured might I add. Even in the previous scene, it was Loki who didn't hit Brad and only tried to intimidate him non-physically by acting as a villain. It was Mobius who hit him, who was shown more affected by Brad's insults. So logically the scene they had planned to fool Brad, should have been played completely the opposite way. By having Mobius do the torture. At least it was recognized that the torture idea was from Mobius and both he and Loki gave the credits for it to Mobius.

Verity Willis. Hunter B15 unlike the Verity in comics, doesn't have a close friendship with Loki or truth detector powers. Not having a good friend like comics Verity for Loki, was such a wasted opportunity in the series.

Mobius saying to Loki "You're a man of action...". That was such a stupid, unnecessary line. As if the main difference between Loki and Thor wasn't Thor acting before thinking, and Loki thinking and planning before acting. While Loki is also a man of action, he is first and foremost a man of strategy. The only plausible explanation imo is that Mobius said it to not feel useless in comparison with Loki and his skills.

"Thor's not that tall". Yeah, no. I don't think Loki's reaction to seeing Thor and Odin's statues would be that. Knowing his brother and family were murdered by the very same people he's working with now. Remind me again why he's considering them "FrIeNdS"? Someone really needs to explain the concept of friendship to Loki. Or rather the writers of this show.

And while we are at it. Let's talk about how Loki's past and identity issues were completely swapped under the rug as if they were all magically fixed and didn't matter anymore. As if those weren't the most important part of his journey. Another issue rooted in S1.

Final Thoughts(for now :D)

Season 2 was definitely better than season 1. Not perfect, and not for those who care about OG Loki's issues. They set him on a completely different path in S1 and they messed up any chance to actually delve into his problems. So in S2 we're having a character that we're supposed to accept has moved on from certain issues, and now tries to find what he wants and where he belongs. Still, I think that they listened to the criticism for once as they tried to fix some of the problems of S1. After many years it didn't feel like that the creators hate the character, or using him as a prop, or a plot device. It was a story about Loki. A bittersweet story for the god of stories.

#me: i liked this season #also me: here's a list of all its issues :D #loki s2 review #long post #loki #loki series criticism #loki s2 positivity

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lady-rose-moon · 1 year

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Can I suggest a TVA Reader x Loki where the reader figures out that her and Loki loved each other before she was taken to work for the TVA?

How could I forget you? || Loki x Reader ||

A/N: ahhhh I really hope you like this!!

Laufeyson. Variant L1130. An eternal pain in the TVA’s backside. God of Mischief. Your personal - unwanted - leech.

For some reason, Laufeyson had started following you around just as much as he followed Agent Mobius. You found it unnerving how he stared you down and handed you things before you even realised you needed them. He seemed proud to be reading your mind even with the use of his magic.

You were sat at your desk looking through some case files when you saw L1130 approaching. Muffling a sigh under your breath, you continued staring down at the page you were analysing, finding the Steve Rogers variant much more interesting than the God of Mischief that was trying to barge his way into your world. You didn’t need him around and Mobius hadn’t reassigned the variant so why was he so keen to be around you?

Time passed and yet all Laufeyson did was sit beside you, crafting paper into little roses and impaling the bottom of them with rolled-up paper supposed to be a substitute for stalks. From the corner of your eye, you saw him begin to arrange them neatly into a bouquet, his eyes never leaving the paper roses as his deft fingers tied a ribbon around the paper stalks.

“Shouldn’t you be doing your work, Agent?” Loki asked after a few moments of quiet, twirling the paper bouquet in his hand solemnly.

“What file did you steal the paper from to make that?” you asked with a sneer, turning to face the God of Mischief properly now and seeing just on the edges of his face how tired he looked, “a variant like you shouldn’t even be on this floor.”

“Mobius was busy,” Loki replied softly, his eyes never leaving the bouquet as he spoke, “I needed company.”

You scoffed and rolled your eyes, “then why bother me?”

“Because I trust you, Y978,” Loki replied and you noticed the hesitance in his voice as he spoke your name.

It felt like he was about to call you a different name, some name that you felt on the edge of your brain but couldn’t quite grasp. With a huff, you turned back to the Steve Rogers variant, deciding to ignore the variant.

“I lost someone, back on my timeline,” Loki spoke after silence had reigned for a few moments, “my fiancee. It feels like everybody has forgotten her existence.”

“Angrboða?” you asked, never looking up from the file, your voice bored as you turned a page.

“No, no,” Loki replied slowly, his curls flowing around his shoulders as he shook his head, “you wouldn’t know her either. It feels like she was deleted from my timeline. She exists now only in my memory.”

“The TVA doesn’t purposefully steal people and delete all of their existence, L1130,” you replied as you turned another page, highlighting where the Nexus Event began, “perhaps it was delusion.”

The variant stilled beside you, his breath hitching and you turned just in time to see him stand from the desk and throw the bouquet into the bin beside your desk as he stalked away. Good, he was finally gone. Now you could finally focus on your work again.

After a few minutes, your eyes wandered to the bin where you could still see the bouquet Loki had created so lovingly as he sat beside you. You frowned and took it from the bin, admiring every rose and smiling when you saw that the paper was blank. He hadn’t ripped variant files to make these. He’d used plain, untainted paper to make innocent white roses.

“I lost someone, back on my timeline,” Loki’s voice sounded in your head, sparking a curiosity in your mind. Who had been the one he’d lost. “She exists now only in my memory.”

With a tsk, you stood from your desk, gathered all of your belongings and clocked out for your lunch break. You didn’t go to the dining hall as usual for lunch, no, you went to the time theatre with Loki’s life reel in hand.

You slipped into a free theatre and inserted the reel into the player, unpacking your bag and pulling out the hot chocolate you’d made on the way. You skipped to where you had last seen Loki and something inside you had forced you to stop. That ache in your mind was ringing through you now but you persevered.

It was a ballroom, people gathered inside the golden halls and music ringing off the walls as people danced with joy and laughed. Loki was sat nursing a drink unhappily as he watched his brother dance with as many girls as he could fit on his arm.

The dark prince watched with bitterness as every girl evaded his charming invitation to dance. Defeated, Loki resigned himself to a seat and decided to spend the night bitterly drinking mead and cursing his brother’s lack of manners beneath his breath.

“Excuse me?” came a soft voice from beside the Prince and he looked up to see a woman dressed finely in a beautiful gown, dressed in green, his colour.

Your breath hitched as you instantly recognised your own face. Horrified but intrigued, you continued to watch the reel, your hot chocolate abandoned.

“May I help you?” Loki asked with bitterness in his voice, glaring away from you as he took a sip from his glass, not caring for how he spoke.

“I saw you sitting over here and you looked very lonely,” you spoke without fear, your hands coiling in your emerald skirts to ease the tension in your body, “why is a Prince so ignored?”

“Why is the daughter of my father’s trusted kingsguard standing here with me when she could be dancing with the eldest?” Loki spat with venom in his words as his eyes flicked over to Thor and then back to you.

“I don’t want Thor,” you retorted easily, pulling a chair beside Loki and sitting down on it, brushing down your green skirts as you looked at him, “I want the smarter one, the quieter one, the one that knows when to stop eating and drinking.”

Loki hummed and tipped his head back, swallowing the rest of his wine before standing and offering you his hand , “dance with me?”

With a grin, you took the God’s hand and allowed him to guide you onto the dancefloor where you stayed with him for hours on end.

You spent hours watching as memory after memory passed along the screen, how close the two of you became until one day.

You were standing on the balcony looking out over Asgard with Loki holding your arm when an orange door opened behind the both of you. Loki turned around with a dagger already in his hand and you watched as people walked through - people you used to consider your friends - and took you into their rough grasp.

“Variant P2334, you are being arrested for crimes against the timeline,” one hunter told you and ignored your panicked yells.

“Reset the timeline,” another commanded, grabbing your other arm and dragging you through the orange door as you screamed out for Loki.

The file ended. There was no more existence of Y/N Y/L/N on the timeline, she was gone and you were here.

“So,” came a familiar voice from behind you and when you turned around, you saw Loki standing by the door, “you know then.”

“How long have you been standing there?” you whispered, trying to sound strong and authoritative but you knew that you had failed miserably.

Loki approached you and cupped your cheek, “I saw it all,” he whispered as your breath hitched and tears filled your eyes, “I have missed you, my darling Y/N.”

You allowed Loki to hold you in his embrace, sighing into the contact with absolute relief. “I missed you too, Loki,” you whispered into his suit, your heart beating happily behind your ribs.

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in-my-loki-feels · 4 months

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WIP Wednesday

All right, since sharing sometimes improves my feelings about a fic, here is a snippet from the President Loki fic I'm working on, inspired by these two wolfpup026 pieces:

“The TVA didn’t just prune you, it pruned your branch,” Mobius said. “There isn’t a timeline to go back to.” Loki showed disturbingly little reaction to the news. Mobius didn’t know all of this variant’s tells but he doubted the god of mischief was pleased to hear all of his work had gone up in smoke. Then Loki’s right hand flicked out and a dagger dropped into it. In a movement too quick for Mobius to track, Loki crossed the distance between them and jerked Mobius' head back with a tight grip on his hair, exposing Mobius' throat. Mobius froze at the feel of the cold blade just under his Adam’s apple. “You aren’t giving me many reasons to leave you alive, little agent,” Loki murmured. Up close, he really did look like the Loki Mobius knew, enough so that it made Mobius’ breath catch. The look in his eyes was the real tip-off: cold and cruel. Even when Loki had first been brought to the TVA, he’d never looked like this. Maybe Mobius had overestimated his ability to talk his way out of trouble. “We don’t prune branches anymore,” Mobius croaked, wondering if that detail would help. “It’s kind of a new thing we’re trying.” “And you think that absolves you of all past sins? Am I not owed my recompense?” Loki replied calmly. A chill ran down Mobius’ spine. The TVA manual hadn’t included a section on surviving torture. Despite the danger of the blade at his throat, he jerked in surprise when Loki suddenly dropped onto his thighs, straddling both Mobius and the chair. Loki twirled the dagger idly, but the casual gesture was undercut by the firm grip he kept on Mobius' hair. There was leashed anger behind those green eyes, even if his body language didn't show it. “The question is: what to do with you?” Loki said. “I quite liked the idea of slitting your throat in front of whoever came to rescue you but as you can see”—he gestured to their surroundings with his weapon—“your precious TVA seems to have abandoned you which means you’re all mine to do with as I please.” Now, Loki’s smile promised many unpleasant things.

#president loki #mobius #loki #lokius #this is technically not president lokius endgame but loki has some fun at the start #(but not a bloody kind of fun)#plus there's a whole second part i'm writing to give president loki his own mobius because i felt bad for taking this one away #i can feel this thing trying to turn into a 20k behemoth and i'm clinging to the reins in vain #wip wednesday #mobius m mobius

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nygmobblepot-trash · 7 months

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I tried. I really tried to like Sylvie but her whole character is "I'm mad at everyone." It's so god damn old. I get why she's mad at the TVA but Loki has a point. You can't just give everyone free will and walk away. Nor can you just kill everything. She acts like she's above the TVA when she isn't.

Also why yell at my main man Mobius? Who the fuck are you to do that? Is it a good time to get pie? No. Probably not. But what else is there to do? The science team is working. OB is 5 seconds away from having a stroke. To be hovering around them is just going to make things worse. Also we've established that Mobius eats when he's stressed out. Why the hell didn't Loki catch on to that? Or say anything? Screw the possible romance for 1 second. Mobius is Loki's friend. It's a fact in the show. So why would he allow her to scream at him and then allow her to bring up something he knows bothers Mobius? All he says is "Sylvie wait." What the hell?

Even when she leaves Loki says nothing to Mobius and follows her. You think "Oh they'll continue to talk about Mobius." But noooo. Loki says one thing about Mobius trying to look through the dark like everyone else and then immediately changes the subject. Why not go off about how Mobius was taken from his own timeline and forced to work for the TVA. About how shitty it would be to see the life you should've had but instead, you keep fighting for the timelines to survive. Or about how if he had left and gone back to his life she'd bitch about that too. He stayed behind to help clean up HER mess. If he wants pie he can have pie.

In conclusion, Loki is a fake friend and I'm so sick of it. Sylvie go back to McDonald's and make everyone you meet just as miserable as you.

#rant #loki spoilers #loki series #loki #Mobius #sylvie

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tallseaweed · 6 months

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Relinquish Your Burden: Chapter 1

Summary: 3½ years have passed since Loki gave the multiverse a chance. What if it no longer had to be his burden to bear?

Word Count: 1.3k

For a sneak peek at what you might be getting yourself into, check the AO3 tags!

1,277 days.

That's how long it had been since Loki had sacrificed his freedom to give the multiverse a chance.

After leaving Mobius with an open-ended goodbye, Sylvie had returned to the branch she’d begun to call home.

For a while, her new life was everything she'd hoped it would be. She finally had true freedom, a supportive community, a job she enjoyed, and had even adopted a cat! All without the threat of the imploding Temporal Loom hanging over her head.

All of it was possible thanks to Loki. Every day, her thoughts were pulled toward him—holding together the branches of the multiverse.

At first, these thoughts filled her with gratitude. His sacrifice was the reason she was finally able to��live. Never again would anyone have to survive like she had—fighting tooth and nail for the right to exist with the TVA breathing down their neck around every corner.

But as the weeks turned into months, and those months turned to years, guilt about Loki's situation began to steadily infiltrate its way into the peaceful life she'd built.

Yes, she finally had everything she'd ever wanted, but at what cost?

The passionate, wise, and endlessly infuriating man she had come to know was enslaved by his selflessness.

If Sylvie had been able to harness the branches as Loki had, would she have done it? She'd like to think she would, but her previous actions seemed to speak otherwise.

"I asked for your help and you walked away."

"Just so we're clear, no, I didn't. I'm here, aren't I? Again!"

"You're only here because you couldn't kill him."

Loki had been right. She wouldn't have been at the TVA helping with the Loom if Victor Timely had been as easy for her to kill as He Who Remains. Years of living in apocalypses had made her selfish and reactive. She had to be selfish to survive, and being soft would have gotten her killed millennia ago. But maybe she had taken it a bit too far.

"You can't give people free will and then just walk away, Sylvie."

"It's up to us to protect them. It's up to us to do better than He Who Remains."

She hadn't even considered protecting the timelines. She'd freed them, hadn't she? Naively, she'd thought that would be the extent of her responsibility. She'd been so relieved to finally be able to live, that it had blinded her from seeing the bigger picture.

No, she wouldn't have sacrificed what Loki had, because she was selfish in a way that he would never be.

She had let him down so many times.

The worst realizations came to her at night, when the world was dark and dormant, unable to distract her from the harshest truth: that Loki would never have chosen this if he hadn't been forced to.

"If we make it, and the TVA is gone, there might be a timeline for you to rule."

"Ah, and then I'd finally be happy," he quipped back sarcastically. Leaning over, he nudged her shoulder. "What about you? What will you do, when this is all over?"

"I don't know."

"I don't know either. Maybe… Maybe we could figure it out together." As his eyes locked onto hers, she saw the deep sincerity sparkling within. If she was being honest with herself, the weight of the moment frightened her.

"Maybe."

Loki hadn't wanted a throne or glory, he'd wanted to have company. Her company, before she had taken advantage of his feelings and shattered his trust in her completely. When faced with the endless possibilities of the multiverse, Loki had wanted to create a life where he wouldn't be alone.

Yes, Sylvie loved the life she'd created, but with astounding clarity, she realized she would never be able to live it with a clear conscience. Not unless she tried everything she could to help Loki regain his freedom.

With a sigh of resignation, she shuffled over to her closet and crouched down to open the safe she kept at the bottom. With a click, it swung open to reveal He Who Remains' TemPad. With a swipe of her finger, she opened a Time Door to what had formally been the Citadel at the End of Time.

When Sylvie stepped through the faint glow of the opaque orange door, there was no ground beneath her. Freefalling, she desperately swiped at the TemPad until she tumbled back into her apartment.

Sprawled onto her shag rug, she tried to calm her erratic breathing.

What the bloody hell just happened?

Obviously, the kintsugi asteroid she had been expecting was no longer there. But she could’ve sworn the portal she'd seen Loki pull himself and the timelines through had led to that exact location.

When she cleared her mind enough to remember past the panic of falling, she realized there had definitely been a green light in her peripheral vision. And the distinct aura of powerful magic.

Tentatively, she swiped open another Time Door. This time, she opened it above her, so she could keep her feet firmly planted in her bedroom. When she stood and saw what awaited her on the other side, her breath caught in her throat.

Yggdrasil.

Loki had woven the timelines into the Worlds Tree.

Her childhood memories were barely more than blips of a dream, but they had been enough to create an instinctual reverence for the tree that linked the Nine Realms together. Most people, herself included—endless skeptic that she was—believe it to be intangible, or possibly even metaphorical. Regardless, she couldn't think of a more fitting symbol to uphold the multiverse.

She didn’t know how long she stood there marveling at the glowing green behemoth, but when she dropped back into her room, her cheeks were wet with tears.

Sylvie couldn’t sleep that night. After she had processed her initial awe at Loki’s spectacular feat, she realized something vital: magic of that scale could sustain itself.

While she herself had never been able to manifest anywhere near that much power, she’d seen enough in her overly long life to know it was true. The knowledge was partially based on experience, but more compellingly it seemed to come from innate wisdom deep within. Seeing as every Loki she had met (minus the alligator) seemed to draw on a similar magical core, this seemed like something she could trust.

She had felt the life force from Loki’s Yggdrasil. Regardless of its cosmic position, power, and creator, her instincts told her it embodied the characteristics of any other tree. Including the ability to be self-sufficient.

So why was Loki still there? Didn’t he realize this too?

She supposed it was possible he didn’t. He had seemed a bit off. One second he'd seemed so sure that Timely's little device would fix the loom. Then, within a minute of entering the control room, he'd seemed absolutely positive that his sacrifice was the only way to save them all. What had changed?

But what if he did realize his Yggdrasil's self-sufficient potential, and there was some other reason he was staying there, resigned to his self-imposed martyrdom?

Well then, if that were the case, she would just have to convince him he was wrong. That shouldn’t be too hard. After all, she’d successfully done it before.

She could convince him that he deserved to be happy too.

A trickle of doubt penetrated her confidence. Based on their last few interactions, it was entirely possible that Loki might not trust her anymore.

But maybe she wouldn’t have to convince him alone.

As the sunrise filtered into her bedroom, she opened a new Time Door. It was about time she checked on an old friend.

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Notes: As much as I loved the last episode, it hurt too much to think that Loki would have to be alone forever. I really wanted to use some of the dialogue from episode 5 where Loki and Sylvie talk at the bar, but unfortunately this Sylvie never had that conversation.

All that being said, I hope you enjoyed the first chapter of my first published fic! I'm guessing that it'll end up being at least 8 chapters.

Next chapter we get our first Mobius POV...

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lavathein · 7 months

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About the final in episode 6

"I'm going to be objective. Because I'm a fan of Loki for 10 years, and I've been waiting for a series about him. I didn't ask them to make him like this, I didn't expect this outcome. If you're curious - I was afraid of a romantic storyline, because I thought they wouldn't pull it off. And Season 1 seemed to prove me wrong. I'm in love with this series. I liked all the characters in this series, Sylvie, Mobius... Everyone. And I believed that this season wanted to tell me something. Loki found a friend - Mobius. Loki fell in love with Sylvie, and she with him. It was a good story, and I won't dwell on it. I'll move on to the finale.

Episode 6 season 1:

Loki and Sylvie go to the Citadel at the End of Time to meet with He Who Remains. And here a conflict arises - the resolution of which I've been waiting for 2 years. And not just me...

He Who Remains tells them about the Sacred Timeline and the Problem they cannot avoid. He gives them a choice: either they kill him, or they take his place. I'll remind you, neither of them wants the throne; they wanted to be together on the Timeline and live their lives. Sylvie had this goal long before Loki, and for her, it's not just a goal; it's a very long and tragic path to avenge her ruined life. For Loki, no, he just wants to be happy. Sylvie sees a monster in front of her that needs to be destroyed. Loki sees a trap they skillfully want to lead them into. They are both right. But Loki understands that they can't just walk away, and something terrible may happen. He doesn't know what to choose, but he doesn't like the choice they are given.

They have different thoughts on this matter. Then Sylvie says, 'Kill me and take your throne' - this is important because she immediately makes it clear that she would rather die than leave this person alive. In other words, 'either I kill him, or you (Loki) kill me.' Loki truly loves her, as clearly shown in Season 1, and of course, he has no intention of killing her. And he is sincere when he says, 'I just want you to be okay.' Sylvie loves him just as much, but he is not on her side and also makes it clear that he will not back down. They are in a situation where they cannot resolve it together. Sylvie kisses him goodbye and pushes him away - it's a choice she decides to make so that they don't harm each other even more. It was very powerful, beautiful, and profound in my opinion. Because here's the situation, here they find themselves, and a conflict unfolds."

They don't talk about it in season 2:

And now, what happens next? Loki searches for her, wants to bring her back and seemingly figure out the situation? He fails because Sylvie doesn't understand his motivation - the throne? TVA? Was he deceiving her or genuinely caring or loving? Does she know about it?

I liked how in Season 2, even through the conflict, there were hints that they care about each other. They don't blame each other for the Citadel situation; Sylvie agrees to talk with him, although she could have said 'No, I don't care, go away' - no, she goes, she doesn't like the TVA topic, but when something is in danger, she also goes and helps. And again, they continue to learn something from each other, even without looking at the conflict. These are good moments in Season 2, but really... What is their conflict?

In the misunderstanding of each other and in the fact that each made a difficult choice. But did they do something wrong to each other? No. They can't be enemies. They don't talk about the situation in the Citadel at all. Throughout Season 2. There's a similar situation at the fair, where it's clear that this topic is painful and unpleasant for them. Okay. But they don't talk about it. Never. - Why?

Season 2 finale… what's the point?

Final of the 6th episode. Okay. What's the catch, so to speak? Loki has gone through a very harrowing journey from the finale of Season 1 Episode 6 to the finale of Season 2. What has he realized? He learned to TimeSlipping - as I thought, all of this was part of the plan of He Who Remains. It led to him trapping them and attempting to divide by undermining trust between them. Okay.

What's the problem? The weaving loom is impossible to fix. Either it will defend the One Sacred Timeline, and all branches will have to be pruned and killed, or the Timeline will be free, and at some point, it will start self-destructing. In other words… there's no point in choosing the right thing at all. If he stops Sylvie - He Who Remains will continue doing what he did, but Sylvie will likely die rather than agree to it - a ruined life, continued killing, she just won't be able to forgive it. If she kills He Who Remains, we see what happens - the weaving loom overloads, and ultimately, everyone dies. But… even if they both (Together) come to the conclusion that, yes, He Who Remains needs to be killed - it leads to the same result. In other words, it's impossible to fix it without the sacrifice Loki makes in the end. I want to say - there's just no other way. The situation is hopeless no matter what he chooses, except for the option where he kills Sylvie and leaves everything as it was. But he won't do that because he loves her, and he said that in the Season 1 finale - 'I just want you to be okay.'

Now the question, so what's wrong with the finale of Season 2? It seems logical… NO. Not entirely. In reality… No. They don't talk about their feelings. They don't talk about what happened in the Citadel; they don't… Haven't they reconciled? Haven't they said goodbye? Understand correctly, they show in Season 1 - they fell in love with each other, for them, it's the first time, and it's something real. It breaks reality; it helps them understand many things; they, for the first time, think not only about themselves. Then a conflict arises. Sylvie - 'I just need to kill the monster who ruined my life,' and Loki - 'I just need you to be okay' - In 6 episodes, there was no opportunity to talk about it and reconcile? To understand each other and realize that they weren't lying and genuinely cared about each other? Loki doesn't even have the chance to find out if that kiss was real, and he has to go to sacrifice with this silence? I don't understand this…

Destroying is - Easy:

Okay, let the finale be like that, I agree, it's beautiful, it's tragic, and it's sad, but why should it happen on such a bad note for these two characters who were portrayed as truly in love until now? It's like we're pretending - that this is how we remember what happened in Season 1, and what Loki is doing now seems to respond... But I'm not sure it should have ended like this. And I'm not talking about the characters; I'm talking about the scriptwriting. It's just discarded - an unresolved conflict.

I'm really disappointed with this part. It feels like the writers got scared and went the route of 'We'd rather ruin than fix what happened.' The scene in the Citadel starts to seem like a joke, where Loki can't do anything different, and she, like a bull seeing red, charges at He Who Remains... And then they literally say, 'Sylvie, sorry, but you're getting in the way, disappear somewhere' - What the hell was that? I remembered fans who loved to shout, 'Sylvie is Loki's competitor, just get rid of her' - it's so absurd, as if she doesn't matter... It's like spitting on the previous development and work because what happens to Loki - everything happened to him because of her. What happens in the series, the freed Timeline - it also concerned her. And now one Loki takes it all upon himself? It looks so ugly and weak, honestly. As if you're not even trying to hide that you're just getting rid of the character from the path... When so much could have been made into a very powerful story that would be more beautiful and stronger. I repeat once again - with the same conclusion. But it would have been just BETTER and more fitting in this story.

I'm just saying, for me, Season 2 didn't handle the conflict that Season 1 gave us. You may like Season 1. You may like Season 2. That's okay. But if you look at it as one story, there are so many questions (several thousand) that you still haven't received answers to or just left it - well, it happened, but it led nowhere. I am very saddened because indeed, the 6 episodes look beautiful, seemingly deep, but when you start to analyze it - No, they still messed it up and didn't cope with the task.

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remarcely · 6 months

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I didn't like Sylvie in S1, mostly because of the whole sylki thing, but S2 has made me her number 1 defender.

It blows my mind that people watched the show and went away with 'wow, Sylvie's a bitch' because it just reeks of misogyny and not having the capacity to understand a complex character.

Sylvie, since the age of 10-ish, has been fleeing a constant threat to her existence and grew up in apocalypses. She couldn't have anything permanent other than herself because she has to keep moving and anything she leaves behind is destroyed. No friends, no family, and no universe of her own.

Then she gets put in a room with the one guy who ruined her entire life and countless others, of course she's going to be determined to kill him. She started as a scared child, it makes sense that she became and angry adult. Nothing, not even Loki begging her, could stop He Who Remain(ed)s death.

And lets be honest he deserved it.

Then in the finale, she watches a variant of herself and a friend she faced hell along side sentence himself to an eternity of sitting on a throne, holding the multiverse in place. Loki gave everyone a chance to live and, most importantly, a choice. To stay at the TVA or go home. Verity (Hunter B-15) and Frank (Casey) chose to stay, Mobius found it too difficult without Loki and left, and Sylvie's choice was obvious.

It's unfair to be angry at her for showing happiness in the finale. Time has clearly passed since Loki left, though we're not shown how much, of course she's managed to move on. I don't see anyone pissed off at B-15 for continuing with their life? What about Casey or Ouroboros?

Also, we saw Sylvie's face as Loki made his sacrifice.

Does she look happy to you?

That is a face of horror and distress as she watches yet another person in her life essentially give up his freedom while she survives.

Do you ever think about the survivors guilt Sylvie has? That in all of the apocalypses she hid in, she saw men, women, and children be killed knowing she technically could save them but it would make them a variant and doom them further. That she is the only one from her own universe that wasn't reset, making her the lone survivor of her world?

Even with the infinite possibility for the future multiverse, those worlds will have their own Sylvie. There's no place for her there, so she has to make her own somewhere else.

From the end of Season 1 to most of Season 2, Sylvie has been fighting for the chance to live a normal life. When she gets it, through such suffering and loss, is she really supposed to be miserable forever because one person is gone? She quite literally got the only thing she's ever wanted, that's got to give her a lot of relief.

Don't be the person to think 'this silly woman gets between my gay ship, brrrr rage what a bitch' or take her as one dimensional.

She's selfish because she's sacrificed everything she had, I think by now she's allowed to be. Sophia Di Martino did a wonderful job and deserves to have her character be enjoyed and understood, not labelled as annoying and 'the real villain'.

Some people only paid mind to the shipping when watching the show, ignoring the plot, and it really shows.

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