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#talking to the void#dc#dc comics#jla: tower of babel#diana of themyscira#wonder woman#wally west#the flash#id in alt text#captioned
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youre telling me that they took a comic title that evokes a story abt the hubris of man and the competition between man and god and the gatekeeping of knowledge and how it backfires for man in the end and for the animated movie they changed it to “doom???????”
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the in-universe explanation for Batman being utterly convinced that the entire League would inevitably turn evil except for him born from a specific incident where several League Members he trusted wiped his memory without his consent when he caught them brainwashing a supervillain into being more comical after said supervillain raped Sue Dibney?
It doesn't excuse him being paranoid against the ENTIRE Justice League, but I would say he'd have more than earned the right to doubt the loyalties of the one who rewrote his mind.
You're not wrong but it goes a bit deeper than that. Basically that whole "They betrayed Batman first" angle was a retcon done to try and make Batman look like less of a dickhead.
His original motivation came from when the Secret Society of Super-Villains swapped bodies with the Justice League with the aid of Agamemno.
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I've never gotten the argument that Batman's fault in Tower of Babel was not telling the rest of the league that he's making these plans.
I get that it's the intended theme. It's a story about trust.
But like, they all fight eachother so much, why would you not just assume that everybody has something in mind for the next time somebody's brainwashed or some shit.
"Wow, Batman! How'd you know what to do when the Pied Pieper turned me against you?" That's not a conversation that's happened in the last seventy years? It's a complete shock that this man has spent any amount of time meditating on this issue.
I don't believe for a second that Wonder Woman doesn't know what she's gonna do if Batman ever turns on her. She just hasn't written it down in some insecure location where villains can find and exploit it.
If we wanna say Batman's fatal flaw was terrible information security, that makes perfect sense to me. But these contingency plans just seem like such an awkward vehicle for a trust arc.
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JLA: Tower of Babel
#talia al ghul#batman#jla#justice league#jla: Tower of Babel#Justice league Tower of Babel#superman#flash#ra’s al ghul#@gooseyalghul-gumdrops
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Bruce Wayne + Ra's al Ghul parallel: "a manageable number I can control"
In JLA: Tower of Babel, Ra's al Ghul orchestrates military conflicts, economic collapses, and terrorist attacks around the world, so that "the human race thins itself to a manageable number I can control."
JLA (1997) #44 "Tower of Babel Part 2", written by Mark Waid (2000)
In Batman: Gotham Knights #38 (2003), Bruce Wayne says he's been pushing Stephanie Brown out of the Batsquad (by freezing her out of her support network, crushing her confidence, firing her), because he's "trying to protect this extended family from becoming too large and unmanageable."
Batman: Gotham Knights #38, written by Scott Beatty (2003)
#Also note that Ra's and Bruce have the same creepy shadowed eyes in these scenes.#Batman comics#Batman meta#Stephanie Brown#Ra's al Ghul#Bruce Wayne#Batfamily#Batfam#Batkids#DC Robin#Ras al Ghul#JLA Tower of Babel#League of Assassins#control freaks#panels#Batman Gotham Knights#meta#Batgirl#Batdad#Batman#parallels#thecruellestmonth#I mean Tower Of Babel itself makes enough commentary about Bruce's horrific control freak tendencies.#But I think here we see a more direct parallel about their obsession with 'thinning the herd' and ruling over the entire ecosystem.#Stephanie Brown deserves better#'I admit that it sounds like hypocrisy--' YEAH that's because it is hypocrisy.#With heroes like these--who needs villains?#abuse fiction cw#parental abuse fiction discussion cw#Bruce Wayne is authoritarian
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Talia and Ra's interactions
JLA 45
Anyway this is validating some of this mid plotline.
Should note that Batman Chronicles 8, where Talia partakes in the attempted assassination of Bruce (and just decides not to do it at the end) is a case before this where Talia participated in assassination. I guess Mark Waid was reading DCUguide comics chronology for Talia, which leaves that comic out for some reason. :P
A no prize explanation could be if she considers the fact that it was just between her Ra's and Bruce and Ra's was clearly using it to test/prove her loyalty means it's different. IDK.
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Talia Al Ghul infiltrates the Justice League Watchtower and the Batcave:
Talia Al Ghul in JLA: Tower of Babel
#comic: JLA: Tower of babel#talia al ghul#batman#bruce wayne#justice league#wonder woman#flash#superman#green lantern
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This post has been popping up in my notes again lately, and it reminded me of my new favorite writers-making-fun-of-other-writers panel from JLA:
“— and every single person in Wyoming with the last name “Dixon” has contracted typhoid. The statistics are uncanny.”
Just. The SHADE.
#jla: tower of babel deluxe edition#I laughed out loud when I read that#and immediately had to go check some dates#Chuck left in 2002 and this came out in like 2000#but according to rumor and sources I can’t quote#he was a very unpleasant person to work with so I’m not surprised#dc comics#chuck dixon
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Beefy Diana supremacy. If WW isn't putting the boys to shame, I don't want it
JLA The Tower of Babel
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#dc#comics#batfamily#batfam#batman#bruce wayne#jla#justice league#justice league of america#jla tower of babel#justice league doom#no more girlbossing#just girlresting girlsleeping girllayingdown etc#oh and girlundeniableparanoia
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april reading meme!
BOOKS
We Will Devour The Night by Camilla Andrew. The version I read is available in the author's ko-fi (aninkwellofnectar), and the final version will come during fall of this year. I've talked about this saga before (The Essence of the Equinox), and I still recommend it to those of us who like complex characters (especially female characters), gothic horror, and lush prose. This is a sequel, and I like it even more than the first instalment. It gets deeper into the darkness of the world and it's an amazing read. The third and final part has started been posted on ko-fi as well, for anyone interested.
Why Does He Do That? Inside The Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft. I wish I could make everyone read this book. It wouldn't fix everything, because it runs against a lot of people's deep-seated belief systems, but maybe it would make SOME of them start second-guessing those beliefs... Anyway. A MUST read in terms of abuse and intimate partner violence.
Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë. I read the book for the first time about 15 years ago, and only reread it now. I loved it even more than the first time. The atmosphere, the revenge tale, the love story between Catherine and Heathcliff, all the ways these families' lives affect the others, how you have to parse through Nelly's account of events... I still wish I could hit Lockwood in the head with a stick lol. Just once. Not even too hard! But hit him in the head, I would xD
COMICS
Batman: Huntress/Spoiler - Blunt Trauma. One of those "it could've been so good if it was good" comics. It would've had to NOT been written by Dixon, of course. His ideas about these two characters are palpable here. He's met real women and girls, I know this, but he's completely failed to take anything from these meetings into account to understand them as people. And boy, does it show in his writing.
Green Lantern: Willworld. I've had this comic in my list for aeons and I moved it up when I found out its author would be writing Jason's upcoming ADITF "what if" story starting July. I really liked this one, and how it showcased Hal's character. It's not a guarantee I'll like his Robin Lives run, because comic writers have biases and blind spots and huge gaps in their knowlege regarding certain characters, but "he seems to be a good writer" is already a huuuuge leg up compared to most modern Jason content lol.
JLA: World Without Grown-ups. This was interesting because I've watched the Young Justice (cartoon) version of this premise, which is VERY different, from the villains to their goals to the handling of the crisis (since the cartoon had an established teen team), down to the emotional beats (the Zataras). They're too different to be compared, tbh. This one was quite fun though, and it made me feel very fond of Bart. Also Tim's parasocial relationship with Jason's memorial made an appearance LOL.
Colin Wilke's appearances. I am MOURNING this kid. He has like 9 appearances (and a couple of them are barely a few pages) but each one is gold. Bring him back. Make HIM Damian's best friend. Integrate him in the storyline!! His character and his dynamic with Damian had so so much potential. I am definitely going to include him in my fics.
Batman: Li'l Gotham. (plus the two stories introducing it in Batman Annual #27 and 'Tec Annual #11). A couple of things conspired (including me finding out there's a version of Colin in this lol) and I ended up reading it while I was sick. It's mostly fun fluff (as opposed to just corny fluff) and a quick read without much meat in it, but a few things nudged the inspiration muscle and Dustin Nguyen's art is adorable.
Batman Tales: Once Upon a Crime. I liked this one more than the above! It follows in that universe (a Gotham where everything is smaller and cuter lol), mixing it with some fairy tale vibes. Pinocchio!Damian is A Concept. Although my favourite story was "The Snow Queen", with Mister Freeze. The art goes into a whole other level in all of these, but especially that one.
Batman: The Chalice. Bruce Wayne receives the Holy Grail. I read this one in my list of Talia appearances and hers is the part that interested me: Ra's wants the Grail to make her immortal, like him, and Talia tells him that she has no desire to live forever. Her words are "Having lived my life in your company, the prospect of eernal life is not the attraction for me it might be for another." There are A LOT of things you can read into that sentence, and one of them, to me, is the idea that death to Talia would be an escape from Ra's, which is... interesting. Sidenote: this one was written by Dixon, who once in a while gets his wired crossed and is not wholly terrible with female characters xD
Ghost/Batgirl. I hadn't heard of Ghost before but I'm kinda curious after reading this mini run. I found a lot of the concepts it worked on (resurrection, mind control, etc.) quite interesting, although I ended up feeling the execution didn't delve too deeply into them. It's an story I might want to reread and pick apart at some point, though.
JLA: Tower of Babel. Yeah, THAT arc lol (also part of my Talia-reading). I also read JLA Secret Files and Origins #3 (in May, though), which shows Talia's whole thoughts on it as she steals the plans + some of the consequences the whole thing has for the other bats whose teammates no longer trust them (Dick, Tim, Barbara) + the wording of Bruce's contingency plans (which btw includes acceptance of lethal methods against Clark lol)... he certainly got off easy after this añsdlkfjasdf. Honestly, imo, the most selfish, cowardly thing he did was walking out before the JLA could tell him they'd voted him out. I know he and the comics probably won't frame it like that afterwards, but that's how it felt to me. The very least he could've done is face his teammates.
#reading meme#books#comics#dc comics#my thoughts#dc thoughts#id in alt text#captioned#the essence of the equinox#why does he do that#wuthering heights#batman: li'l gotham#colin wilkes#jla: tower of babel
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JLA #43
What do you mean 'a joke'? That's just what newspapers look like in DC, clark!
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Howard Porter and Drew Geraci - JLA #45 Cover Original Art (DC, 2000)
Source, source
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JLA: Tower Of Babel (2001)
#LMAO Kyle does not hold back#kyle rayner#green lantern#bruce wayne#batman#jla#jla tower of babel#dc comics#my post
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Caitlyn has plans made to take down her closest friends and allies, if needed, in case they ever go rogue or are mind controlled by someone else. These plans can either be for knocking out, containing (indefinitely if required) or kill.
The plans are heavily detailed, not only containing the weaknesses of said person in the physical sense, but also psychological profiles to be exploited, and detailed schemes of how to beat them.
She understands some of her friends might find this information very hurtful and perhaps a breach of trust if they ever find out, but she truly believes that they are necessary and an absolute worst case scenario.
Every day she prays that she never has to use any of them.
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