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idkwatthehec · 5 months
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Yall I just realized something.
So you all know about how Eret’s planned ending was the reveal that the Dsmp was actually like a weird sort of time loop thing and that’s why Karl’s Tales were always so similar.
Do you guys remember the underwater city. Where all the main people of the smp had a room. Everyone except one person.
Wilbur didn’t have a room.
Wilbur left the smp before the nuke.
WILBUR LEFT. BEFORE THE CYCLE WAS RENEWED.
THAT MEANS HES NO LONGER A PART OF THE CYCLE.
And that’s why he never ever appeared in a Tales. Not once.
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420technoblazeit · 12 days
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does anyone remember that theory someone made that the book c!dream made a deal with schlatt for was the script for the lore. and that's why he became so obsessed with narratives and main characters or whatever, he knew that he wasnt the main character of the story and that tommy was
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bc-jpeg · 1 year
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so uh- I didn't see if this theory already exists in the fandom, or no one really touched on it, but after a long time in both fandoms, one funny pattern is noticeable. I’m so obsessed with watchers lore so much, which is why I started to go beyond only one universe, and this gave the result. so the theory is that dreamxd is a watcher. after digging into the dsmp lore, I found several points that may indicate this. dxd’s nature may differ from the canonical nature of the watchers that we see in evo smp and in the life-seasons in martyn’s lore, but we also already have a watcher!grian, whose watcher's nature also differs in its own way from that very canon, he has his own lore, so this will also work here.
now this will be only my personal version of watcher!dxd lore, there may still be holes in it, but this is only as a possible base:
presumably dreamxd is an ex-manhunt!dream, who could not get out of the world and stuck in the spectator mode of the game, becoming a watcher. in the initial attempts to escape from such a fate and get out (I don't think dream would just accept such a fate), he was crippled either by other watchers or by himself, having lost his "eye". this explains the basic visual interpretation of the dxd, where the place where the eyes should have been is now a familiar cross pattern.
isolating himself from other watchers, dxd created a time loop from the existing world, from which he initially could not get out, closing access to the end dimension for players, preventing both the players themselves from escaping, and the possibility of capturing these players to other watchers for their own time loops. the world with the manhunt seed was restarted, defaulting almost everything to zero, which eventually became the dsmp server. all interactions between players and server events began to give dxd so much energy and power that eventually the essence of the watcher completely absorbed him, dxd himself began to provoke events, interact directly with players, and all for the sake of energy, emotions, deaths that made him only stronger. dsmp became an excellent loop-feeder for him only, in which he completely lost his original humanity, becoming a monster, creating only chaos.
one of the risky but effective dxd’s moves of was giving the revival book and the book of death to players inside the time loop, which in a peculiar way gave them access to part of dxd’s powers. he realized how unpredictable players can be in their decisions and actions, which gave a ton of events possibilities. he wouldn't have to provoke events himself, when players can do everything for him, giving the same amount of energy.
so in the final of the dsmp, after that nuclear explosion, dxd simply restarted the entire time loop, as it was shown. the players don't remember anything that happened, they don't remember each other, the whole world was defaulted to zero, where they started all over again.
it’s also interesting that the concepts of limbo and dreams/illusions exist both in the dsmp lore and in watchers lore in life-seasons. limbo is the space where players end up with the loss of all their canonical lives, and there is no return from there, only at the whim of mystical powers (dsmp — the revival book, as part of the dxd’s powers, life-seasons — the watchers, more specifically watcher!grian).
both concepts somehow intersect with each other:
> in the dsmp, they intersected in the c!george’s lore, he had partial access to limbo through his own dreams, where dxd himself was also often present. someone also had the opportunity to watch server events from limbo.
> in life-seasons, according to cc!martyn, limbo is the space where all players get to after the final death and are there between seasons in a state of sleep, in which they see their own smps/universes.
again, this is just a possible version of how exactly this theory/head-cannon can work, there are a lot of things that I could not explain yet, because there is too much information from different dsmp povs. some things I remember, some not at all, but I left a hint of their possible intersection visually in the diagram. the theory of the smps-multiverse is here simply by default, all the other main points are indicated in this diagram. all of this will be easily editable at any future time, my job is just to throw in the base for this theory :D
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ccthepandafangirl · 1 year
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In honour of the recent... speculation, I feel like I should mention that I had a dream/half asleep thought of Grian "releasing" a vlog of Real Life at the start of April.
like. all the life series members are standing in football field next to a playground. there's cardboard cutouts of Cleo and Etho with smartphones taped over their mouths and set on speaker mode. Scar runs people over with his off-road wheelchair. Bdubs is whacking someone with a guitar. Impulse gets betrayed by the monkey bars while on his red life. They all go crazy with nerf guns and foam swords.
Jimmy, against all odds, is the last person standing. He goes "huh, I won?" and it immediately cuts to a black screen with the words "April fools" in white font.
There's a post credits scene of Grian laughing at Jimmy for thinking he'd survived a canon series.
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ffaeb · 3 months
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/DSMP /RP
EVERYOJE SHUT UP SHUT UP, FUN THOUGHTS TIME. When c!Schlatt died of a drunken heart attack, he was, of course, drunk. when c!Quackity went to talk with his ghost, said ghost was also drunk. Glatt's memories of being alive seemed a bit blurry. As if he was hungover. c!Wilbur was happy when he died (smiling atleast), a result of having gone insane. ghostbur had only happy memories, and was almost always happy.
c!Tommy was scared when he died. He was trapped with his tormentor for weeks, and thought nobody cared. He never had a ghost. And he came back a shell of himself. Empty.
So theory, the ghosts are mirrors of what people felt when they died and Tommy being a "shell of himself" is a reflection of him never having a ghost while dead. I'm
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shopmoonymoss · 1 month
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heres a sneak peak of my designs for my ticket keychains :D [part one]
first theres my Ranboo rebrand design !! this design i used for my test batch, as you can see in the video below, and they turned out great !!
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next we have a silly Jschlatt one :D
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and a Jack Manifold one !! this one is inspired by one of tubbos newer tweets :3
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heres a QSMP one !!
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and a last life ticket :P
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i even made a hermitcraft one !!
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and lastly a Matpat ticket !! guys i promise im not in denial !!
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dissonantharmony · 2 months
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fun fact of the day! over a third of all dsmp members have seen c!eret's eyes!
on a completely and totally unrelated note: alyssa has been added to the c!eret's eyes google doc!
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overthinkingfandom · 2 years
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How people seem to think Dream's PlanTM works:
Step 1: Frame Tommy for crimes Step 2: Get him exiled Step 3: Get Tubbo’s disc Step 4: Destroy L'manburg Step 5: Stage an epic final confrontation over the discs Step 6: Get locked up Step 7: ??? Step 8: Profit!
How it actually works:
Profit! > ??? >> Get locked up  >>> Need to give someone a reason to lock him up (I’m already beefing with Tommy. Staging an epic final confrontation over the discs would work.) >>>> Need to get the discs for the confrontation. (Buying the disc off of Skeppy is easy but Tubbo is loyal to Tommy and wouldn’t just hand it over.) >>>>> Need to sabotage Tubbo’s loyalty to Tommy. (He wants L’manburg to be peaceful. I could present myself as an ally to his goal and Tommy as an obstacle.) >>>>>> Need to mess up their communication so they won’t just make up (Exiling Tommy would leave him far away, but won’t guarantee success. Mess him up so he would self sabotage his relationships in case they do talk.) >>>>>>> Frame Tommy for crimes he could be punished for.
>>> Need to make sure no one would suspect anything (Tommy already sees me as a disney villain. Publicly destroying L’manburg would let everyone see me twirling my mustache and get them on board with locking me up.)
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ya-boi-haru · 3 months
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I had a weird dream the other night...
I won't go into too much detail about the overall "plot" cause it's a whole other thing + you only really need to know a little bit of it...
The main point is:
I was with Sherb and Heyhay and they were dressed as Icarus and Rae (slightly different details on Icarus and Rae had a different outfit - had more grey in it)
And we had to go into this dark space and the lower part of Sherb/Icarus' jacket started to glow these orange symbols
I can't remember all of them but I think this was one of them (or something like it?)...
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I did try to ask about it but other things happened and I didn't get a chance to
... Do whatever you will with this information but this something that happened for me????
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bleue-flora · 4 months
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All of these hot takes are really making me feel left out lol. So um hot take:
c!Dream is autistic and the consequential misunderstanding and miscommunication is a root of all the problems and conflicts.
(Note: I say this as someone who is autistic and after being diagnosed at the age of 20, discovered that at the heart of 90% of my conflicts, now and in the past, is a failure in communication from being misjudged and misunderstood.)
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idkwatthehec · 4 months
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I think I might actually make a big post/essay about my time loop theory, because the more I rewatch and rediscover, specifically Tales and some of Erets stuff, the more I realize how deep it really goes. Like, I think they were planning for this to actually be the ending, but it was cut short because of what You Know Who did.
Either way, it sort of fixes the disastrous ending we did get, or at least the weird reset that happened, not any of the shit Tommy was spewing that was definitely spoon fed to him by You Know Who.
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wobooga · 1 year
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C!Punz and C!Dream.
I've had this idea for months that in the end C!Dream will just be revived.
Why?
C!Punz.
NO ONE and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE knows that Punz is on Dream's side. You see in the Dreamxd video Punz has done a LOT with Dream. They've done a lot of planning with the revive book, the finale, etc. They are in complete kahoots and have each other's back fully.
Now with Tommy's lore today that makes me think more. He mentioned Punz and how without Punz him and Tubbo would be in trouble. I feel like that is paralleling to Punz never having had betrayed Dream.
If C!Dream is killed, i don't think none of that server restart bullshit is going to happen. He's just going to come back and no one will know why. Seriously C!Punz and C!Dream are such a genius evil duo, NO ONE knows ANYTHING about their plans.
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altair214 · 1 year
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Anyone thought about the fact that no one but c!Tommy and c!Tubbo were there when they killed c!Dream, and the idea that they would succeed would be a bit unbelievable in the first place. c!Punz and c!Dream has everyone duped with the staged finale that c!Punz actually being on c!Dream’s side would also be a bit unbelievable.
c!Punz and c!Dream could easily pretend that nothing happened and that they’re actually enemies. After seeing that c!Dream’s alive, would anyone actually believe that c!Tommy and c!Tubbo had killed him at all?
So maybe c!Punz did not actually blow his cover by reviving c!Dream in front of c!Tommy and c!Tubbo.
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kay-then-i-guess · 7 months
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I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, but first, some info
I think considering that the dsmp is very much over, it's important to examine it retrospectively. I don't know if most people like to do this, but I love to dissect media that I really like: the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Now that emotions and connections aren't as high (even nostalgia is low), I think looking back and connecting why the dsmp worked so much, what was actually good and what wasn't, and how it affected the idea of a "roleplay" is important.
So, I think I'm going to do that, but first, I want to ask you guys some questions to try and get a feel for the other fans. Feel free to answer as many or as little as you want.
1. What do you think made you connect to the dsmp?
2. At the time when the series was still running, what was your favorite part about it? Least favortie?
3. Now, looking back, what's your favorite part about it? Least favorite?
4. Did you like the ending? Feel free to delve into the different characters endings and not just the main one.
5. Did it affect what you watched/enjoyed afterwards (e.i. the type of TV shows or games or whatnot you like)?
6. Did it affect your view on roleplay?
7. just for funsies, who's your favorite character? :D
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Thinking about the finale of DSMP S1
What if Punz revived Dream in front of Tommy because he was simply sick of his shit?
It's established that Punz gets used as a buyable weapon by most of the server, and he uses it to dissuade suspicion. But I also deeply suspect he hates being seen as a weapon, not a person. Dream's the only one who even treats him as something resembling a companion, a partner in crime. Trusting him to follow the plan to the end.
So imagine this. Punz is at the end of his rope. He's getting sick of all the people assuming he's on their side with a little cash. And Tommy somehow thinks he's obligated to be on HIS side, when Punz has made it clear that money does not make him attached.
And you want to know the irony of it all? This isn't even the first time Tommy's done this. He did it with Technoblade, and it blew up in his face. And yet, at the end of it all, did Tommy learn from his mistakes? That people are not meant to be bought?
No. He didn't.
So he lashes out at Tommy, because he's the closest person to lash out at. Tommy is just a symbol of the server's disregard. He's sick of pretending that Dream isn't someone he cares about in his own way, and a small part of him wants to see the curtain lift, wants Tommy to see what his hubris has brought. He is a part of the Stage Duo, not a bystander, and wants Tommy to despair maybe just as much as Dream does.
He wants to lift the curtain, and with whatever plot they have ahead, they can work around it.
So my hot take? Punz is not an apologist, nor is he truly passive. He doesn't apologize for Dream, because they are in it together. Punz is a villain in this story, and he wants people to see it, see him.
For it is better to be seen as a villain than as nothing but an object.
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kisuminight · 2 days
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A very general outline of how this AU's Staged Finale goes down:
So Tommy swings the Axe of Peace. And instead of turning into golden dust like a respawn, Dream shatters into pieces of light. The axe catches on Dream’s core crystal and basically knocks it so it hits the ground behind Tommy, in the middle of the gathered server members.
“What the fuck?” says Tommy.
“Language!” from Bad.
“That’s a core crystal. Dream was a Blade?” says Punz. He steps closer to the core crystal on the ground.
“Don’t touch that!” says Sapnap. He also steps closer to the core crystal on the ground.
“Chill. It can take up to three days for a core crystal to recover enough to be Awakened again.” But Punz steps back.
“Dream can’t be a Blade.” Says Sam. “Are you sure that was Dream?”
“Of course if was fucking Dream! You think I don’t fucking recognize how he fucking fights?” Tommy again.
“But if Dream is a Blade, who was his Driver?” Tubbo.
The problem is that Blades, socially, are seen as extensions of their Drivers. Most people expect that, if a Blade is doing something, it is because their Driver told them to. Anyone who has interacted with Skeppy on a frequent basis (and is aware he is a Blade) knows this is nonsense, but ingrained prejudice is strong. Tommy and Tubbo being mostly clueless about the Blade system actually puts them at a better point for recognizing Dream’s agency than anyone else.
Sapnap is having a breakdown. He thought he understood his friend, and then he thought that he didn’t understand his friend but that was okay because Dream was a bad friend. Now Dream is a Blade and some things are making sense but more things aren’t and actually his friend is for-real dead now. Not dead as in a canon death, dead as in the Dream that existed just stopped the moment he was returned to a core crystal. If it is Awakened, the New Dream will be similar but will not be the same person. The last bit hasn’t really hit him yet.
Antfrost and Bad have both been corrupted by the Egg at this point. They are surprised about Dream being a Blade, but are pushed by the Egg to want to bring Dream’s core crystal back to it. The Egg has a hard time infecting Blades, and only got Skeppy by a combination of lingering influence coming from Bad and long-term direct exposure. It is aware that any Blade in its power that reverts to a core crystal will reAwaken without the corruption, and has plans that revolve around trying to corrupt Dream’s core crystal itself.
HBomb, Jack Manifold, and Niki are mostly satisfied that Dream is not going to be a Problem any more. They are content to leave at this point. Niki did guess that Philza was a blade, and since Techno contacted her prior to the confrontation, she does inform Techno (who she thinks is Philza’s Driver) about the situation with Dream.
Callahan is worried about the situation. He wants to know who Dream’s Driver was. As a Blade himself, he is aware that a Driver does not absolutely dictate what Blades can/cannot do. However, a Blade’s relationship with their Driver does greatly impact how they see the rest of the world. Callahan is also aware that a Driver does not necessarily have to be on the same server as the Blade, seeing as his Driver Alyssa is off-server.
Ranboo is staying quiet. He and Punz are staying out of this discussion. Punz makes an excuse to leave early, and dips out while making motions to or saying something about Dream’s core crystal, which is still on the ground. Ranboo is hovering around, acting hesitant.
Sam also wants to know who Dream’s Driver was. He is currently the Warden of Pandora’s Vault, and while his behavior has not reached the point where it would in canon-timeline after overseeing Dream’s imprisonment, the signs are already starting. Sam thinks that Dream should be reAwakened and that they need to be careful about who Dream’s new Driver is to make sure that Dream is a Good Person in his new life (Sam is advocating to be the new Driver).
Puffy agrees that Dream needs a good Driver to be a better person in his new life. She thinks Sam is a good person for that. Eret weighs in at this point and mentions that Dream was a citizen of the Greater Dream SMP and might be better with them (this is part of Eret’s quest for reconciliation, as well as a bit of power-hunger. Eret is a weird character). Puffy says that Sam would be better because Dream shouldn’t be around/have influence in politics. She says Dream probably shouldn’t go with Bad or Antfrost for similar reasons. At this point, Eret leaves.
Tommy wants to know what the hell are they talking about. Why is Dream a rock? Why are they trying to revive Dream at all? It’s like they think that Dream isn’t a wrongun’.
*Blade system is explained to Tommy*
Okay, so the New Dream will look exactly the same as Dream. And act exactly like Dream. And you think it’s okay to wake him up because he won’t have any memories? Tommy calls Doubt with lots of cursing. Bullshit Dream was doing it on orders. It was only Dream demanding Exile. It was only Dream during Exile. Yeah, Doomsday was Dream + Phil + Techno, but Dream wasn’t getting puppeted by either of them. And if Dream was a Blade, why didn’t Dream ever use any of his Blade powers? None of them even know what his Soul Weapon looked like. They don’t know what his element is. Even healer Blades have some weak attacks, and he didn’t use an of that shit! Maybe Dream should stay a rock.
“What the fuck, Tommy,” goes Sapnap.
“Maybe Tommy should reAwaken him,” says Tubbo. The issue is that Dream hated Tommy, right? If Tommy is Dream’s Driver, then that can’t happen again. Dream will help Tommy, be his friend. After all, Dream was nice in the beginning.
Dream will be Tommy’s friend sets Tommy off. “Dream was never my friend and never will be!” This is lingering trauma from the emotional manipulation from exile. Meta note, the relationship between Tommy and Dream would not be healthy at this point.
“Dream should stay with someone who was actually his friend,” Ponk disagrees. Giving a Blade to someone who was their enemy seems ethically dubious.
“Sapnap,” says Quackity.
“Not Sapnap,” says everyone else.
“Fine, George then.”
Sapnap, who is still having a breakdown and is processing 1000+ things and just realized that George might have been Dream’s Driver, based the fact that he re-met Dream as George’s friend and also George’s weird behavior around the dethronement, “Not George.”
“You should leave Dream as a rock,” Tommy repeats.
“I still think it would be better if he stayed with Sapnap,” says Quackity. This is partly to support his fiancé and partly because he thinks having a Blade in his sphere of influence would help his plans. “What do you think, Ranboo?”
“Um, Karl?” It sounds shaky, and the pronunciation is weird. Ranboo leaves.
People present: Tommy, Tubbo, Puffy, Quackity, Sapnap, Antfrost, Badboyhalo, Ponk, Awesamedude.
Karl is friendly. He is minimally involved in server politics at this point (since El Rapids is mostly forgot about in comparison to L’Manberg, and L’Manberg is a hole in the ground). He is Quackity’s other fiancé, so this is still a good solution for Q. Tubbo likes Karl. Tommy is kind of “eh” about it, but he also thinks that Dream should not be reAwakened at this point. Everyone else talks over him. Sam is okay with Karl, but he would prefer to have Dream as his Blade.
“Sapnap, can you bring the core crystal to Karl?”
The core crystal is Not There.
Everyone freaks out. Sapnap demands that everyone empty their inventory. Nobody present has the core crystal (or they are pretending they don’t. Sapnap isn’t sure how much he can trust them). When was the last time anybody remembered seeing it? Well, that was when Punz pointed to it and left. Okay, so Punz doesn’t have it.
Who left?
Ranboo, HBomb, Eret, Niki, and Jack Manifold.
On the Nether side of the portal, EW!Ranboo drops Dream’s core crystal into Punz’s hand. Even if someone were to come through the portal now, they wouldn’t be able to see them. Punz was actively pushing aether into his passive powers, rendering the two of them completely unnoticeable. Once Punz has the core crystal, he steps back. EW!Ranboo completely loses track of him as he leaves.
EW!Ranboo scribbles the basics of what happened in his memory book, Dream tried to kill Tommy and Tubbo. We rescued them. Dream is a Blade and they are fighting about who Dream’s new Driver will be. I am worried about the outcome. Then he gives control back to Ranboo.
So everyone goes into the Nether, and they see Ranboo standing there putting away with his memory book. Ranboo says, “What happened?”
“Ranboo, can you empty your inventory?” The core crystal is Not There (anymore).
Ranboo apologizes to Tubbo, “I’m sorry. Thinks were very stressful. I don’t remember what happened at the confrontation.”
Three days later, Punz Awakens Dream as his Blade. “Hey, buddy. You doing okay?”
“…Resonance feels different from George. It’s weird to have a comparison.”
Results of Staged Finale:
Punz is not under suspicion for having Dream or helping Dream before he was killed. Ranboo is also not under suspicion. Dream has been reAwakened with all his memories (the experiments worked!). They can now continue further experiments in peace. Everyone at Staged Finale is now very suspicious of each other. The idea of someone on the server can just pull a Blade with Dream’s fighting skills, unknown powers, and the blind loyalty of all New Blades out of their inventory unnerves people. Tensions are high, but most people are reluctant to get into actual fights for the moment because what if.
Dream is avoiding the SMP in general, but if someone does see him he can just say “I have no idea who you are, got to go.” There is a greatly reduced risk of immediate attack as long as he pretends to be an amnesiac new Blade if he is discovered.
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