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I know some dickheads have now decided that Judaism is the "bad, violent, terrorist religion" and Islam is the "good, peaceful" one, which is only to be expected of white people, but how much of an issue is it currently? Like I've seen some USAmericans sharing how the Islamic faith shapes Gazans values and perseverance (good) except with that distinct white hippie "I'm about to imprint on this like the world's most racist duck" vibe (bad), but I didn't think they're already turning on Judaism in numbers.
Do they realize that Christianity is also the same kind of comfort to Christian minorities in Asia and Africa? That it was Buddhists that genocided the Rohingyas in Myanmar and Tamils in Sri Lanka? That Hindu fundamentalists are even now trying to ethnically cleanse Muslims in India? How Hindus and Christians are terrorized and persecuted in Pakistan? That Muslims have a history of persecuting and ethnically cleansing Jews too?
Really tired of asking y'all to be normal about people's religions man. There's no religion that's inherently violent or exceptionally peaceful. It's just like any other ideology that becomes a weapon in the hands of ethnic power. Interrogate power, not religion, and respect people's belief systems insofar as they aren't in your business.
Edit: I've amended the "long history" of Muslim persecution of Jews because it might be misleading in the current political climate. Zionism and antisemitic Arab nationalism are twin births resulting directly from Christian colonization, and Islamic empires tended to actually be more tolerant of other religions compared to Christianity, especially Judaism, which was considered a sibling religion. Antisemitism wasn't ideologically entrenched in Islamic tradition. It's simply that ethno-religious power will lead to ethno religious domination and intermittent cleansing of minorities, and Islam is no exception. Humans be humaning always.
#Edit: please boost the edit#why can't white people just be fuckin normal for once#tbh this site was so weird about Judaism that it felt almost culty#I had several crises about whether I was being antisemitic before I realized no I'm just reacting to the idealization-demonization binary#that seems to be all western leftists know how to do#white queers are the worst about this#and now some of the asks I've been getting gives me the impression that the west thinks ''Islamist'' is some kind of dangerous cryptid#y'all attach insane levels of importance to people's choice of headgear#the only common denominator of all the Muslims I know is their fixation on biriyani idk#a lot of white lefties just want to use religion to distance yourself from your white privilege#same reason as why communism is so attractive to you#y'all want to share in a legacy of oppression because it's easier than self-reflection and unlearning#antisemitism#anti Zionism#Islamphobia#philosemitism#white queers#western leftists#racism#religious fundamentalism#genocide#religious violence#knee of huss
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The thing is, most people (in the US and Western countries at least, that’s where my experience is from) have some forms of privilege some forms of oppression. This isn’t saying everyone is equally oppressed and privileged, but most people have privilege in at least one way and oppression in at least one way.
And if you experience oppression in some ways and privilege, it’s much easier to see your oppression then you privilege.
Privilege is largely invisible to those who have it. Oppression grates against you all the time. So it’s much easier to see the forms of oppression you experience then the forms of privilege.
That’s why it’s so important for us all to listen to each other and not play Oppression Olympics. You can face very real oppression that really affects your life, and still learn a lot from other people who face other forms of oppression that you don’t. We have to listen to each other. In the queer community especially I think this is important, because there’s so many different ways to be oppressed and to be privileged.
#oppression#privilege#lgbtq#intersectionality#inter community discussion#discussion#discourse#homophobia#transphobia#racism#classism#intersexism#etc etc#white queers#cis gays#male privilege#white privilege#able-bodied privilege#and many more#thoughts#loving queue
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So apparently it’s that time of year again where I have to post about this.
On lesbianism, white queerness, and 2S identity
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I am a two-spirit. My identity is specific to my Tribe and Clan, and even more specific to my family. I am not a man, I am not a woman, and I am not nonbinary; I am not defined by what I am not.
I am a two-spirit and I am a lesbian. That's not debatable.
But I am not a non-man.
There's an idea of two-spirits that we are just the ethnic version of non-binary
We're not. The reason you're so comfortable calling us nonbinary is because your idea of queerness is centered around the binary&what you are not: you're not cishet, you're not the oppressor, etc
White queers like to speak about 2S identities constantly as if we are monolith. "It's just a gender" "it's not a gender"
"they're not trans" "they're not queer" "they don't belong here"
The community tries to decide for the individual and that's so weird to me.
So much of white queerness is inherently about exclusion.
You need strict labels to exclude the people you fear. You write your definitions around your fear of intruders and by consequence you exclude the people that need your support the most.
You need people to "prove" they are queer before you let them in. You're like a fortress and you let vulnerable people drown in the moat; ignoring that the real oppressors don't need to be a Trojan horse to do damage, ignoring they are actively burning down the castle.
It's very sad to me, because it's ultimately tearing the community apart even further.
I've never felt very welcome in white lesbian circles and they've never understood my experience of gender, but it's gotten worse in the past 5 or so years.
As TERFs start to revive gold star lesbianism and center hatred of men as their definition of lesbianism, you start to get these younger lesbians that don't know history that start to parrot the rhetoric. First it's "non-men loving non-men" then it's "you're too close to Man™"
For many two-spirit lesbians like myself, this is very concerning. White lesbians are historically not the ones targeted by radfems.
Now we've gotten to the point that there are people denying that lesbian is an spec (multispec) identity while including (white) nonbinary people
White nonbinary people (usually AFAB nonbinary people) are seen as woman lite and are welcome in white lesbian spaces while queer Indigenous people are considered dangerous because white lesbians can't understand their gender.
When did understanding become a requirement?
We're getting very dangerously close to "lesbianism is ONLY attraction to women" and very close to "lesbianism is only attraction to *a very specific type of (white) woman*" and I really need young white lesbians to read about political lesbianism so they can see this
I don't want to hear "not all lesbians" or "well then they aren't welcome" because every time this rhetoric goes unchallenged you are actively welcoming these people to continue it and make it more and more extreme. Yes, even the kind that seems to have nothing to do with racism
Almost all of your exclusionary rhetoric is based on the racist ideas of political lesbianism and I do not know why you all cannot see that they want to move goalposts. It wasn't just bi lesbians, it wasn't just he/him lesbians, it wasn't just nonbinary lesbians. It's a tactic.
It really feels like young lesbians are not only letting us go backwards, but encouraging it. And that's thanks in part to the historical racism of political lesbianism, but many of these people ARE old enough to think critically and talk to people who've been through this.
So far I've seen this in younger lesbian spaces; the ones with older generations (the ones that don't welcome TERFs) have been pretty welcoming even if not totally understanding, because they at least recognize that you don't need to understand someone's experience to validate it.
But I'm really concerned for the young Indigenous lesbians who don't feel comfortable around older people and are going to these younger lesbian spaces only to be indoctrinated with thinly veiled TERF rhetoric. It makes me very concerned for our spaces as well.
So I'll say again
I am not a non-man and I am not a non-woman. I'm not defined by what I am not. I do not ascribe to your binary-centric definitions of queerness. I experience queer attraction to women. I'm a lesbian. You do not get to use community to decide my individuality.
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Pronouns: hi'a/vsgina/utseli/uwasa
#two spirit#two-spirit#2slgbtqia+#2 spirit#lesbian#white queers#white queerness#racism#colonialism#political lesbianism#inclusion is survival#indigeneity#indigenous rights
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Enemy-viv for your free blocklist. Cyberstalking, misgendering, and literally transvestigating Aaron Bushnell, the man who self-immolated to protest genocide, because White Queer People cannot fucking show solidarity or care about anyone or anything unless they think they can relate personally.
Aaron Bushnell signed his pronouns as he/him in his message to the press. Twisting the conversation away from his sacrifice for Palestine to protest the active fucking genocide so you can cyberstalk him and misgender him and speculate about him secretly being trans as though he's a fictional character and not a real fucking person who made the ultimate sacrifice to try and stop genocide is fucking evil.
There is something deeply, morally wrong with you you cannot fucking bring yourself give a single shit about someone who publically sacrificed his life in protest of genocide unless you think you have something to gain by it by projecting a Queer identity onto him like he's your new favorite blorbo and not a fucking real person who died to protest genocide.
Stop fucking distracting the conversation away from the literal genocide he was protesting. Stop literally fucking transvestigating people. Learn to fucking care about people even when they have no Queer identity in common with you. What the fuck is wrong with you people.
#free blocklist#Free Palestine#Aaron Bushnell#from the river to the sea Palestine will be free#trans#transgender#protest#transvestigations#transvestigation#white queers#white trans people#white queer people#racism#because you fuckers are derailing the conversation AWAY FROM GENOCIDE to make it about your feelings as a white queer person#fuck off
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are people seriously comparing the death of george floyd to the whole tumblr nuking a trans woman’s blog thing???
i really really hate white queers sometimes
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Honestly, I'm starting to think that White women can just be accused of abuse and the White women and White gays will just go, "yassss queen!!!" And "mother!!" 🤡 Death to stan culture.
Like I say White women as well becos when a White women do something bad, she gets infantilized or girlbossified on social media or by culture writers. I'm sick of how White women get to be protected from criticism. Death to the assumption of White women innocence.
#white feminism#white queers#stan culture#abuse apologism#its not just mia goth its also that actress who inspired mommy dearest?
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White queer people will brag about how they’re all for equality, make all kinds of artwork and shit with cutesy little animals talking about how “everyone is equal”, “love is love”, “it gets better”, “drink water uwu”, and still be fucking racist as hell because that “equality” is only for white people. Specifically thin white people.
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I stan nobody but if I stan anyone I stan Candice Patton and her Iris West. The absolute hailstorm of racism, misogynoir, trauma and alienation this lady and her character has been subjected to from the get-go is unreal. And yet for nine whole years she breathed beauty and warmth and genuineness into her character, even when delivering the worst lines of dialogue she was made to say that she knew would cause huge backlash (apologies for linking Screen Rant. Broken clock etc.). She co-founded "Shethority" with her friends Maisie Richardson Sellers and Caity Lotz in the wake of the Kreisberg scandal. And she always put herself on the line to speak out and hold her bosses accountable as much as possible.
All this while her character was barely allowed to kiss her co-star onscreen, let alone act with the same casual sexuality of any other married TV couple in a 7pm slot, under the guise of The Flash being a "family show". My heart broke for how utterly worn down and traumatized she was by the end, because not only did Berlanti Studios or the CW not protect or accommodate their Black artists and those of colour, they're also known for subjecting them to racist, misogynistic harrassment and severe exploitation of even their white male talent. This woman wasn't allowed a Black hairdresser or makeup artist for eight seasons, was only allowed to show her natural hair on-screen after five years, and had to watch her black co-stars being sidelined, suppressed and subjected to all manner of indignity with little space to offer solidarity or speak out (I don't care if Berlanti hired them for Love, Simon, the way his fucking studio treated Keiynan Lonsdale was a crime). Even her co-star Grant Gustin only woke up and came to her defence against the online abuse hurled her way eight years in.
Berlanti has cultivated a wholly unearned reputation as an envelope-pusher for the gay community in the entertainment industry, while playing it so safe that the gay couples in his shows are barely allowed to make out– the same way they treat interracial couples with one white partner. His buddy Kreisberg finally met his downfall after sexually harrassing the female workers in his shows for four years, but Marc Guggenheim, Wendy Mericle and Geof Johns are also known racists and misogynists. Even after Stephen Amell's breakdown, Ruby Rose going public with her physical trauma, firing Superman and Lois's Black writer Nadria Tucker, numerous attempts by Black actresses to speak on their working conditions in the CW, and the consistent bald misogyny, ableism and racism of these shows' storylines, the white queers in fandom continue to valorize Berlanti. Now with the release of Red, White and Royal Blue on Amazon Prime in August, again using a Mexican director and characters of colour to use QPoC fans as a shield and buttress, Berlanti's stock is going to be even higher.
The Flash had the potential to be a truly great show, and Candice's Iris West a real foothold for Black actresses and interracial romances in the white-dominated TV entertainment industry. Instead it was just another opportunity for it to grind them to dust. Just like so many other Black women and WoC who try to lead the charge. But through it all, Ms. Patton held the line. Y'all never deserved her. I hope she gets to heal and move onto projects that value her and allow her her full range of voice and expression, that recognizes and rewards her incredible talent and work ethic.
Fuck Berlanti, fuck the CW and fuck DCtv.
#candice patton#iris west#the flash#anti greg Berlanti#DCtv#white queers#fandom#white fandom#racism#anti-blackness#misogynoir#misogyny#racist abuse#online harassment#anti Marc Guggenheim#anti Wendy Mericle#anti Andrew Kreisberg#anti Geof Johns#spite waffle#Instagram
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Something about how fucking useless and braindead white liberal queers are. You can literally see people talking about how some character from that shitty fnaf movie has "transmasc swag".
Bestie, you are literally willingly giving money to Scott Cawthon, someone who is known to donate large amounts of money to christofascist politicians. How stupid do you have to be to willingly fund legislation that will eventually strip you of your own rights. "Transmasc swag" my ass, the creator of your stupid franchise would send you to conversion therapy without even batting an eye and you're still willingly giving money to him.
No wonder no one has been able to get them to like, attend an anti-war protest in support of Gaza or something, when they're politically illiterate enough to willingly fund their own oppression.
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One thing you have to remember is that online queer discourse doesn't make a damn bit of difference to systemic queerphobia irl or LGBT rights. No amount of playing respectability politics by identifying the "real freaks" will ever lead to sexual emancipation or prevent sexual violence. No amount of trying to identify and cast out "oppressors" and "infiltrators" will ever make homophobes and transphobes respect the sanctity of your sexual identity. Not letting people have words and flags and colours is absolutely nothing except a weapon for online harrassment and clout-chasing wielded by white and Western weirdos who've drunk the colonizer Kool-Aid.
#queer discourse#gatekeeping#bi lesbian#pan lesbian#pansexuality#aphobia#arophobia#transandrophobia#mspec lesbian#online harrassment#respectability politics#purity culture#kinkphobia#western leftists#white queers#anti radfem#lgbtqia#knee of huss
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another tra projecting and wanting me to be white while they are most likely white 😭
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me when a friendgroup is full of white queers 😭😭😭🙅🙅🙅🙅🙅🙅
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"cyberstalking and misgendering Aaron Bushnell to prove he was secretly trans isn't transvestigating!!! you're the real bigot for calling this blatant transvestigation what it is!!!"
hey did you people know that far-right assholes are doing the exact same thing you are? Literally transvestigating this man? Are you aware they're literally using the exact same arguments you are? Cyberstalking and misgendering people and speculating about real people's genders doesn't magically become okay because it's trans people doing it. It's a fucking blatant transvestigation whether it's far-right assholes on 4chan or White Trans People on tumblr doing it.
If you're more upset by blatant transvestigation being called what it is over the fact that racist White Trans People can only bring themselves to give a shit about genocide if they can project themselves onto it, you're a bad fucking person.
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Sorry but I will absolutely gatekeep queerness form people.
If you are not actively trying to be an ally to childern
If your not significantly less sexist than the status qou
And an ally to people who are not cishet
Your are not queer and I won't see you as queer your just LBGTQIA.
And no, not having a standard you have to meet to obtain an identity is not the same as distancing yourself from them.
In fact I would argue that not having a standard in order to identify as a label like leftist, queer or male feminist is why there are so many shitty progressives expressly if the standard is just to be better than neo nazis and conservatives which is a insanely easy standard to meet.
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