Podcast and YouTube: Vegan and Veg Passages From Unexpected Sources (Middle East, and Christianity)

Explored today: a vegan poem from the Syrian philosopher Abu al-'Ala' al-Ma'arri; a vegetarian saying of Jesus from an early Aramaic manuscript of the Gospel of Luke; an observation about the vegetarian ethics of John the Baptist and Jesus made by Prof. Bart D. Ehrman in his highly influential book, Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew; a very pro-vegetarian quote from Saint Jerome, translator of the Latin Vulgate Bible no less; also from Saint Basil the Great; Discussion about the Gospel of the Hebrews and Gospel of the Ebionites; The Golden Verses of Pythagoras on why spiritual paths that seek to rise above body-consciousness advocate vegan or vegetarian ethics; The Sattvic Diet 2.0 For the 21st Century: How the Vegetarian Movement is Upgrading to Vegan Including in Sant Mat and Radhasoami; a mystic-poem of Darshan Singh from Love's Last Madness on the upward pull of evolution and compassion that seeks to reduce human and animal suffering in the world; and an amazing ancient Ode from the Ebionite Jewish-Christian Book of Acts (Recognitions of Clement) praising those in India, kindred souls of faith and gnosis: brothers and sisters "in the Indian countries" following the Way of the Saints (Path of the Masters).

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Vegan and Vegetarian Section of the Free Sant Mat E-Library Online:

https://SantMatRadhasoami.blogspot.com/2019/01/vegan-and-vegetarian-ahimsa-non_8.html

Evidence That Jesus and The Original Aramaic Christians Were Vegetarians:

Dueling Gospel Traditions — Pro-Meat and Pro-Veg;

What About Those Pesky ‘Fishes and Loaves’?

Textual Variations in Greek Manuscripts;

Was John the Baptist Really A Bug-Eater?

Christianity Before Paul (The Original Hebrew Christians or Ebionites) and the Essene Connection -- The Essene Branch of Judaism Not Just Kosher But Vegetarian;

Thou Shalt Not Kill: The Biblical Basis For Vegetarianism: A Vegetarian Ideal Described In Genesis and Isaiah;

Signing Up Paul to the Vegetarian Cause After All;

Uncovering a Vegetarian Jesus (Yeshua) at the Beginning of Christianity: Vegetarian Sayings of Jesus;

Jesus Stopping Animal Sacrifice in the Temple;

The Vegetarian Apostles (Leadership of the Original Jesus Movement) -- Vegetarian Quotes About the Apostles;

Church Fathers And Other Later Voices Affirming the Existence of the Earlier Veg Tradition;

Inter-Faith Love! An Ebionite Christian author had very nice things to say about those in India who worship One God, follow peaceful customs and laws, and are vegetarian or vegan.

The Gnostics Were Vegetarians;

The Vegetarian Prayer of Thanksgiving in the Nag Hammadi Library (Gnostic Gospels) and Corpus Hermeticum; and,

Wisdom from the East: The Spiritual and Ethical Reasons Why Saints Advocate Following a Non-violent Vegetarian or Vegan Diet;

https://debra-419.ftgae.xyz/j/zsPqyvj

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https://cynthia-906.mxtkh.fun/h/qNrKYxC

"Why I Think Jesus Was a Vegetarian" - Prof. James Tabor

how can we respond to "Romans 14:2-3 tells us, “One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables." ?

Well, most of us can pretty much just respond with: ‘Okay? I’m not a Christian, and neither are the animals you’re eating.’ I do eat only vegetables and my faith isn’t just weak, it’s non-existent. This passage is irrelevant to anyone who doesn’t believe in the moral authority of the Bible, and even for those who do, it’s hardly a good ethical argument.

People interpret scripture in ways that are useful and meaningful for them, which is completely fine, but what someone may happen to believe a man wrote 2000 years ago and how much they believe in those words gives them absolutely zero right to harm anyone else. They can believe in the Bible all they want, but it doesn’t give them the right to enforce those beliefs on anyone else, or kill someone on the basis that ‘Paul said it’s fine.’

Paul is also fairly obviously not offering a moral defence for eating factory farmed, industrially slaughtered animals in the 21st century. Paul is writing a letter that certainly isn’t intended to be any sort of reflection on animal rights. I’m not going to go on into the various interpretations of that passage, but suffice to say that if this line were a moral argument in favour of eating animals it would be jarringly out of place in the context of the rest of that letter. That should be pretty obvious on reading it even if you don’t have much scriptural literacy.

Even if it were, things change, society changes, and religion has always changed with it. The Old Testament was often quoted by pro-slavery polemicists, for example, as it was by those opposing women’s suffrage. It is still quoted as a way to justify homophobia today. Do we really want to treat every word of the Bible as an unchanging, infallible moral law, despite the fact that it is made up of many books, written at different times and by different people, all of them being fallible mortals who were very much a product of their time?

More fundamentally, why should the rest of us have to answer to or even respond to scripture we don’t believe in? We don’t live in a theocracy, and the Bible is not a universal moral law applying to all peoples. I mean, how do you think the Christians making this argument would respond if I told them that they were not allowed to call Jesus divine because in the Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Arjant warned us to ‘call no man God’? I don’t imagine they’d find that any more convincing than I find this.

The biggest question for them to answer though, is why an animal’s life should be forfeit because of their spiritual beliefs. Their right to practice their religion is important, but it is not so important that it can take away someone else’s right to live free from exploitation and harm. Religious freedom is not unique compared with any other kind of freedom; it has to be balanced with the competing rights and freedoms of other parties, and doesn’t automatically override everything else. ‘My religion says X therefore I am allowed to harm Y’ should be dismissed as the obviously self-serving nonsense that it is.

Shout out to religious vegans. Not only do a majority of you experience criticism for being vegan from your religious community, but also flak from other vegans for being religious. I support you.

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HOLD UP FOR A SECOND i just need to correct a bitch that christianity is explicitly anti-vegan/vegetarian. do. not. use christianity as your reasoning for being vegan. it’s illogical. thank u. also I guess this is a fun fact so this is fun fact 211

DOOM, Carnivore Christian and Eh!? from the Extinction of Mankind/ DOOM 7" split, DOOMED TO EXTICTION e.p., (1994).

It is interesting to note that fasting during Lent originally consisted of a strict vegetarian or vegan diet. It was only in the eighth century that dietary restrictions were reduced to abstinence from meat alone, albeit fish was tolerated. Jerome (Epistulae, CVII, 10), for instance, allowed the consumption of fish provided that it remained occasional. As a result, fish gradually became the Lenten food par excellence. This raised the concern that it may have undermined the ascetic nature of the fast. For instance, in a fifth-century treatise on the contemplative life, the priest Julianus Pomerius (De vita contemplativa, II) expressed his worry vis-à-vis the overindulgence of fish, which he considered to be in opposition to the spirit of Lent.

Carl Frayne (On Imitating the Regimen of Immortality or Facing the Diet of Mortal Reality: A Brief History of Abstinence from Flesh-Eating in Christianity)

"No ethical consumption under capitalism" is the salvation by faith alone doctrine of leftist thought. It's the same as the attitude that, because we can't attain the perfection of Christ, and we're ultimately saved by faith, we shouldn't even bother to strive toward living in His image.

It is used only to comfort the individual, deferring uncomfortable transformation through sacrificial selfless action. It has no practical value towards any cause.