#tell me that isn’t there dynamic at the end of s3
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anyway athos is sylvie’s trophy husband actually <3
#tell me that isn’t there dynamic at the end of s3#i love them#athos x sylvie#athos de la fare#sylvie bodaire#the musketeers#m rambles
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something struck me rewatching buck begins that i don’t think i ever really noticed before: when buck tells the team about daniel and the ways he used to put himself in danger to get his parents’ attention eddie’s immediate reaction is, “This explains so much about you.”
and like, he says it in a joking manner and the others definitely echo the sentiment but there’s something about that being eddie’s first reaction and then him specifically being the one to say he understood why buck stayed behind in the factory fire later on in the episode
because the thing is, eddie always knows what buck is thinking. he knew what buck needed in 3x01 to get him out of bed. he knew buck would be spiralling and blaming himself in 3x03 and how to make him stop. he knew why buck was acting the way he was in 3x18 when it came to trying to save sam. he knew in 4x04 why buck was so upset with his parents and what to say to validate his feelings. he’s always known buck, has always been able to guess his motivations and his reactions better than anyone else on the team - it’s why they make such good partners
but it’s not until 4x05 that this further context slots into place and changes things because he’s always known buck but now he understands so painfully clearly just about every single facet of who buck is as a person. and the fact that this carries on throughout the season, the fact that it ends in the will reveal, is so??????? there are so many people in buck’s life who have either unwittingly enabled or misjudged his self destructive tendencies. his parents missed the cry for help over and over again. abby and taylor both unconsciously reinforced the notion that people only care when he’s in danger/sacrificing himself. even the 118 who love and cherish buck so dearly don’t always understand the full extent of why he acts the way he does
but we’re shown over and over again that eddie gets it???????? and listen i’ve said it ten million times but the way s4 contrasts “you think you’re indestructible but you’re not” and “you’re not invincible” with “you act like you’re expendable but you’re wrong” is forever going to make me lose it
three sentences, all basically holding the same sentiment on the surface, but the word choice in all three so clearly demonstrates how the other characters view buck. and the only one that’s right, that gets it, that knows is eddie
i think with everything in s5 i sort of forgot just how much of buck and eddie’s scenes in s4 consist of eddie quietly observing buck. sandwiched between the kind of scenes we got in s3 and s5 it’s certainly a more subtle approach to their dynamic but god, there is something so fucking special about the fact that s4 buddie is just an ode to, “To be seen, to be found, isn’t that what we’re all searching for?”
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Viktor and Allison’s s3 relationship road map
Sooooooo much of the discourse around Viktor and Allison this season has been blaming one or the other for how things fell apart between them. It’s more complicated than that. Viktor and Allison this season were a microcosm of this fucked-up family dynamic we’ve been following all along.
1. Allison improvises a lie that they have Marcus when they don’t. It was done without thinking it through or discussing it beforehand. This tells Viktor that Allison is a bit erratic right now, and I can see him wanting to involve her less because she is clearly overwhelmed.
2. Allison is verbally aggressive against the Sparrows at the end of 3.03. Same effect as #1.
3. Allison goes to Viktor after torturing Sloane, smashing a mirror, and impulsively chopping off her own hair. She badly needs to talk to her best friend and vent what’s in her head, but Viktor prioritizes Harlan and the needed conversation never takes place.
CROSSROADS: Here, I very much understand where Viktor is coming from, but this is one of those places where a lot could have been done to prevent further deterioration of Allison’s state of mind and her relationship with Viktor. Allison should have sought out someone else, but who? Five and Lila have disappeared, Klaus is babysitting, Luther is busy guarding Sloane, and Diego is there for her, but in a way that makes it worse. Viktor can’t be damage control to both Harlan and Allison immediately, but I think his reason for choosing Harlan is that he’s familiar with how to calm him down, since not everyone knows how to handle autistic sensory overload and their specific powers. However, he needed to recognize immediately that Allison took “later” as a rejection, that Allison is deeply desperate and her saying “not okay” is a big cry for help, and ask her to wait somewhere specific and promise to be there right after this—and then follow up. Viktor’s biggest mistake here is that he does not follow up.
4. With Harlan as their only leverage, Viktor independently decides to help him escape. Allison volunteers to help, taking Harlan somewhere safe, because “You would do it for me, wouldn’t you?” This is a lot of trust for Allison to put in Viktor, but Viktor does not actually have a plan to make peace with the Sparrows after this.
5. While taking Harlan’s powers, Allison becomes terrified Viktor is being harmed. She tells Viktor he can trust her with what’s going on. Viktor suggests she leave instead.
CROSSROADS: If Viktor had told her the truth now, or better yet, earlier, Allison would probably have had a milder reaction. Compounding the revelation with the slap in the face of Viktor never trusting her made things that much worse. But also, Viktor really needed to talk to the family about this proposed solution because, for all they know, depowering Harlan could be a compromise the Sparrows would accept, so long as they could verify with their own eyes that it happened. As it stands, Viktor had no plan to make peace with the Sparrows and save the world other than “I’ll figure something out.” That’s a huge fucking problem.
6. Harlan confesses. Allison realizes Viktor has been hiding something vital while risking all of existence to save one person. This, after Allison put a lot of trust in him when she took Harlan somewhere safe. At this point, Viktor loses the ability to de-escalate anything.
7. Allison kills Harlan, knowing this would forever put a crack in her bond with Viktor.
CROSSROADS: She could have simply captured him and turned him over to the Sparrows, but no. She had to be the one to kill him. It’s like she was trying to burn that bridge with Viktor. Obviously, it was something she saw as justice for all the damage Viktor has caused, because she has suffered a great deal more from Viktor’s actions than Viktor ever has. I also get that there isn’t something morally different from killing Harlan herself as opposed to taking him to the Sparrows so they can kill him, but Viktor will always remember it was Allison who did it. That can’t be separated now.
8. Viktor and Allison’s fight. It’s full of cognitive distortions from them both, but especially Allison—and yet, they both have some really good points. Viktor never had the power to bring Claire back, and Allison is constantly expected to swallow her own pain so she can be there for everyone else while Viktor gets treated with kid gloves, protected from the consequences of his actions (something Allison herself has been, perhaps, the most guilty of). Viktor slides into a victim mentality. Allison uses the basement in a verbal attack, something she knew would hurt him, and chokes him with a Rumor. It’s an ugly fight, but it’s a culmination of everything that came before.
9. After a little wallowing, Viktor climbs out of the victim mentality and starts living what’s left of his life. He tries to make up with Allison as a favor to Luther. She is not ready to forgive and rebuffs him cruelly.
10. Allison makes up with Viktor, seemingly as a ploy to get him to vote in favor of, you know, saving billions of lives, including their own. Viktor promises her his vote.
11. Viktor votes against the plan anyway.
12. The misunderstanding of Allison’s involvement in Luther and Klaus’ deaths puts things at their most fragile point, but Allison tells the truth in the face of death: that she needs Viktor to forget literally everything that happened in the last few days and trust her. This gets them on the same page at last—not because Viktor trusts her, but because she is being honest.
CROSSROADS: Finally, one of them does something that makes a difference in a positive way. Between Allison learning the truth from Harlan and now, she was in no state to hear anything Viktor said with an open mind. She really had to be given time, and probably face death at Viktor’s side.
13. Viktor nearly uses his powers to stop Allison from pressing the button. Allison asks him to trust her. In a moment that defies logic in the most beautiful way, Viktor powers down and trusts her blindly. Allison gives him a grateful smile, then presses the button.
CROSSROADS: Viktor trusts Allison here the way Allison trusted him when she took Harlan somewhere safe. Allison is going to remember this.
With trauma, some people react by imploding (like Klaus and Luther), some by exploding. Allison and Viktor are exploders, so it gets extra ugly between them. And Allison has essentially been Viktor’s enabler this entire time, so that made it worse. In a lot of ways, Allison resent Viktor for things that were her own fault—that he never faced true consequences of his actions—and that’s totally believable to me as a codependent.
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tbh i think mileven will remain canon, but it'll seem weird to me if they still portray their relationship (and jopper for that matter) as flawless ~TWU WUV~ but totally ditch jancy. i'm biased, but it would feel off to me.
I agree completely. The strongest argument in favor of Jancy breaking up—really one of the few serious arguments, as far as I’m concerned—is that they are both very young and might benefit from experiencing more of the world separately/not having to make their college plans around each other. I have a hard time imagining a “Nancy and Jonathan go their separate ways” ending that wouldn’t leave me feeling unsatisfied and a little jerked around, plus I don’t trust them to address Nancy’s loneliness or Jonathan’s anything, but I get why other people think it’s a good idea. If I weren’t so invested in both characters it’d probably sound sensible.
Yet this argument applies even more strongly to Mileven, who are even younger and less experienced (especially El), and who don’t seem to share many goals/interests. Anyone who’s nodding along approvingly with “don’t go to college with your high school sweetheart” isn’t going to (or at least shouldn’t) be smiling on two characters (one lab-raised) meeting at twelve and staying together forever. I guess the show could avoid the issue somewhat by ending the story before their senior year and not doing any flash-forwards? Still, they both seemed pretty restless in S4.
(I will also say the applies strongly to St4ncy, supposing that happens. What, she’s going to break up with her high school boyfriend, only to immediately get together with her previous high school boyfriend? Is Steve going to follow her to Boston? What’s he going to do there? I think there’s a reason most St4ncy fics I’ve read either focus on the immediate aftermath of S4 or flash far into the future.)
And, yeah, Jopper doesn’t have the logistical problems (imminent or eventual) of the teen/YA ships, and I think they enjoy each other’s company and work well together for the bulk of the series, plus they have the kids in common, but I really hate how rude and dismissive he is to her in S3. It’s so jarring how they play that for comedy after Lonnie spends S1 gaslighting Joyce so he could exploit Will’s death and using her mental health struggles to scare Jonathan into not telling her about the demogorgon. And not to defend Lonnie but at least he didn’t know that shit was real (unless certain theories are true). I end up just kind of ignoring their S3 dynamic tbh.
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Firstly thank you so much for answering my ask - secondly, I have seen you reblog posts about how CK's 'violence is the answer' is a slap in the face to what the movies (and even the show, at first) was trying to say, but I would love to know more about your thoughts about how S5 should've ended, becausing Daniel refusing to fight would've been...amazing to see, tbh.
Of course! Thanks for asking 💞
Yeah, the show kinda…lost the plot after a while. I’m not totally sure when, but I think it might’ve been s3, when Eagle Fang was formed. They kinda…started treating it as “Cobra Kai done right”, and starting treating Miyagi-Do as the “peace-at-all-costs” dojo (really, it had kinda been doing that a little bit since s1, but s3 is when they stopped hiding it iirc). Cobra Kai was…I guess just evil because it was Kreese running it?? Not because the whole mentality of “strike first, strike hard, no mercy” was flawed?? We had three movies showing why that was bad, and the show seemed to understand it at first, but then…at some point, they either forgot or got caught up in the spectacle. (Probably the latter, seeing as s3 was Netflix’s first season in charge of CK. Or both)
As for how the s5 should’ve ended (the finale episode)...well:
All else being the same, the s5 finale isn’t that bad for the most part. Like, there’s definitely a lot of fighting going on in the finale, but if I was just changing this episode, I wouldn’t change that—because that’s in keeping with how the show’s been up to that point. The teens getting into fights and resolving their problems that way…well, no one’s really taught them better. Johnny hasn’t really done the work of deconstructing the Cobra Kai creed and realizing why it sucks (and as mentioned, he’s regressed hard, so it’ll take way more work to get him back to that point), so sure, him punching and kicking everyone makes sense too. I don’t totally remember how the Chozen vs Silver fight ends, so I don’t know if I’d change it—their fight felt more like a duel, and it is one of the things I liked (I liked their dynamic in general tbh), so maybe I’d keep it.
But where it gets most egregious is Daniel vs Silver. The rest of it, I can look past for various reasons, but this final confrontation between Daniel and Silver has just always sat wrong with me in a way I wasn’t able to describe until...yesterday, really, when I answered your ask.
Like, this is the man who traumatized Daniel in KK3 so much that he’s haunted by it even years later! The man who incited Daniel to violence, who still does in s5! He’s in Daniel’s head and he knows it!
You can’t tell me he wasn’t vindictively pleased that Daniel used violence to take him down in the end. Even to the last, he’s able to incite violence in Daniel...that’s gotta make him at least a little smug.
Contrast that with KK1, Miyagi vs Kreese. Remember that Kreese hates Mr. Miyagi even years later…why? Because Mr. Miyagi didn’t just beat him—he humiliated him, by showing him the one thing Kreese could never understand: mercy. Kreese ended up defeating himself, all because Mr. Miyagi refused to fight him head-on.
That’s pacifism. That’s refusing a fight, no matter how much the other person wants it…not because you’re afraid, or scared of fighting violently, but because you know there’s no point to it. You know this is worse for them.
(Think of ATLA’s ending. Aang removing Ozai’s bending instead of killing him—he doesn’t want Ozai to force him to betray his culture, to take the last of the Air Nomads from him…and he also knows that it’s worse for Ozai to live with the consequences, to watch his empire crumble. It’s a pacifist ending, and it’s also the one that fits the best. And Aang is certainly not a coward, is he? Of course not!)
So back to s5’s ending. I don’t remember if Silver baits Daniel into a fight, but whether he does or not, Daniel refuses to fight him. Or maybe he accepts and just…tricks Silver into hurting himself, and we get flashbacks intercutting this fight with Miyagi vs Kreese. We show that parallel. And then, at the end, Daniel honks his nose.
Silver is, of course, pissed. How dare Daniel?! He takes the cowards’ way out yet again?! Does he think Silver can be held behind bars forever—he’ll get out one day, and he’ll come for Daniel and everyone he loves!
He’s just straight-up losing it. And then...Amanda smiles at him and shows him a recording device. (Amanda punched Kreese in s3, and now she gets to take Silver down in s5. This also wraps up the plotline where Silver was able to manipulate her and turn her against Daniel—no more. She’s wise to Silver’s tricks now. He loses)
He’s done for. He’s arrested and put away for life. No contacts of Silver’s can help now, and everyone in the Valley eagerly watches every second of the trial.
Like…I get the appeal of Silver being “hoisted by his own petard”, but Daniel beating him with the Quicksilver Method…that being the last triumphant moment in s5…idk. It sits poorly with me. It’s way more satisfying for him to follow Mr. Miyagi’s example and choose pacifism—not “all offensive fighting is terrible and should never be done”, but “I have nothing to prove to you, I won’t fight you, because it will do neither of us any good. I win, and you can’t make me your violent puppet anymore.” Kinda like in Captain Marvel!
It just feels more thematically closed, if that makes sense. Like a satisfying resolution of a theme. Daniel has spent the whole show trying to be like Mr. Miyagi and doing it wrong...but now, now he does it right. Now he finds his balance, his center. That, to me, is a much better ending.
Now ofc, if we’re talking about rewriting the whole show, there would be so much I’d change. But you’ll see that unfold in the CK AU, once I get through the movies and back to the show! It doubles as a fix-it/rewrite in a lot of ways for the show, even though I haven’t really talked much about that 😂 mostly because talking too much about that right now would involve spoiling!
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so i searched the meaning of kiyofumi's name and it prob translates to something like "pure message" (the kanji for "kiyo" meaning "pure"; "fumi" is "sentence, letter, writing, or literature"). makoto's name means "truth", and there's something about this parallelism the way it also parallels patroclus, whose name means "glory of the father", and cleopatra, name with the same roots and meaning in origin, the most beloved wife of the king meleager, to whom achilles is compared, in fame, glory, the way they were wronged, the way they acted about it, and the way they only listened to their respective beloveds. the king was doomed when he didn't listen early enough to his wife, and achilles was said to face the same faith if he would not listen to patroclus.
makoto and kiyofumi are supposedly the reasons their respective best friends swim [kiyofumi's support to azuma; makoto's feelings reaching haru] , and like, if the foreshadowing in s3 was pushed through (and with this kind of coincidence in their name etymologies) with haru paralleled to azuma, then makoto would most definitely the kiyofumi parallel. all i'm saying is that mh patrochilles au is canon, the way the patrochiles parallels have their own counterparts in the free! universe.
achilles [meleager] = haru [azuma]
patroclus [cleopatra] = makoto [kiyofumi]
it's 11 and i just had to tell you so forgive my ramblings
I love getting to hear about your different AU ideas because the comparisons and characterizations always seem to get to one of the most compelling parts of their dynamics: where the emotional tether and guiding light for Character A resides in the hope and balance gained from Character B’s presence (which is a double-edged sword to wield that we see can lead to tragedy). Kiyofumi and Ryuuji’s story is interesting to look at in comparison with Makoto and Haru now that we know FS2 didn’t go for the kill by making it a direct warning (RIP to the Makoto-gets-hurt theories). So, how much of it is meant to be taken as a parallel between situations? We arguably get to see a glimpse into what both Ryuuji and Haru are like when their centers are taken away from them (caring about the water, but taking a break from it when they’re so lost. Holding the weight of swimming in an obligatory manner on their shoulders when they’ve lost sight of the “why…” not being able to consider a return until they can reconnect with who they’ve lost or create a new center for themselves in their stead). Ryuuji was lost until he decided to go into training, and then find a passion project of sorts with Haru (man really said “oh he’s just like me fr let me study him). Haru was lost once when he didn’t know what to do after graduation (plus the fireworks fight giving clarity to how lost and disconnected he really was from his emotional center and biggest support), and he gets lost again in FS when he gets tunnel vision toward having to “get stronger” on his own. What is worth looking at is that latter situation, because this one comes after the precedent of Ryuuji’s story. Since the parallel wasn’t to denote Haru choosing between his bonds or his professional drive (at least not in a clear-cut way), then what do we do now with Chekov’s mentor-sob-story?
I’m a broken record at this point (and will end up saying it again when more people see fs2 and want to talk about it) but so much golden potential lies in the timeskip. There could’ve been something so valuable in getting to see Haru parse through his feelings when forced to rehab and be on-pause for a minute. Not only the talks with his friends to figure out how to proceed forward without falling apart (cough cough Sousuke cough cough Nao) or figuring out a new dream for himself (cough cough Makoto cough cough Natsuya), but also !! potentially !! an actual talk with Ryuuji that isn’t just cryptic warnings or advice given pre-breakdown. I’m not saying that it’d fix everything or that sticking with Ryuuji long-term is the best idea, but I think there’d be something worthwhile in getting to hear what his coach thinks now that he’s not consumed with his own side-story and saw firsthand that Haru needs a specific type of support and hands-on guidance that he wasn’t necessarily receiving before. If anything, he can talk about how he rebuilt his center and chose to become a coach/trainer (iirc he mentioned that story to Makoto in s3 but idk if he ever did tell Haru much??). Some sort of anecdote to reinforce that there are many ways to return to the water. Idk, there’s something there!!
Aaaanyway, makoharu patrochilles parallel real and valid 😌 love how mh are Just Some Guys™️ but also the perfect vessels for tragic devotion and deathly obligation
#yeees make those swimming boys MIRRORS and make them SUFFER#alexa play epic iii from hadestown#meta#fs2#free! au#patrochilles au#(I swear we had a tag for it at some point)#cw: Azuma Ryuuji#(I’m being nice about him today)#thanks for sending <3#shounenlord-sama
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it’s interesting to me to hear that dacre thinks billy wouldn’t hang out with the crew even if he got saved and things bc yeah that vibes but it also cements for me that of everyone in the main cast that we get he really would be friends with/closest to eddie.
like lbr, out of everyone in the cast he has the most in common with eddie just on paper. eddie’s also a loner/outsider type like billy, he’s just more personable which would help facilitate a friendship. i can actually see them hanging out and having shit to talk about you know? i struggle to do that with him and everyone else, even steve. and trust me i spend a lot of time behind the scenes sweating blood over how the steve-billy dynamic works because i do want it-- usually more in a platonic sense in my own case but that’s because i struggle to see the romantic end. but the reality is i struggle to find a common ground between those two characters that can then be used as a launching pad. they just don’t have a lot in common personality/background or interests wise were billy and eddie do. (i’ll also say having lots of similarity isn’t needed for a friendship/romance but having like 1 thing you both like is an excellent starting point. as it stands i have to work to find ways to get steve and billy in a room and talking which is you know, Work.)
i really think it’s a shame that the eddie fandom is largely dipshits at the moment because they’re missing out on something magical. i’m not even talking shipping. i love mungrove but like, i like it because they have a really solid sense of compatibility. they’ve got Those Two Guys™ energy. if billy and eddie are not best friends in your post s4 written fic then i just-- don’t know what to tell you. but to me that reads as so wrong because i cannot imagine a world where billy didn’t see a dude with a MASSIVE DIO PATCH ON HIS BACK and didn’t go “oh i fuck with this dude”.
and this isn’t an anti-post or anything. while i don’t really see harringrove i do respect it and those who are passionate about it. i just think that mungrove and the potential friendship between billy and eddie is underrated and at times even looked at poorly because of the situation with eddie’s fans atm. which i get. it’s hard to like eddie for some people because of how the fandom treats him vs how they treat billy and how he’s basically used as a hammer against us billy fans and the harringrove comm.
but i also think it’s important to step back, do our best to block out the haters and dipshits and look objectively at eddie as a character. because when i do that i am literally looking at billy’s new best friend. and billy needs and deserves all the best friends. and also the fact is that like 90% of the eddie and steddie fandoms are not even fucking accurately writing eddie. which is so fucking insulting to us eddie fans who you know, like him and see him as he IS.
eddie is not a replacement billy, he’s not a “more socially acceptable” billy. he’s a complimentary force to billy. he’s billy’s ideal sidekick. he’s a weird little freak of a metalhead who can shred like a GOD and has a huge heart. he’s less aggressive or confrontational but he WILL hold a bottle to someone who he thinks is a threat to him. he’s extremely brave when it comes to doing right by others, he cares deeply. if eddie had known billy in s3 he would’ve been championing to save him. he would’ve died trying to save him if he had to. he literally put his life on the line for chrissy who he barely knew just because it was Right in his mind to get justice for her. imagine what he would do for a friend?
steddie is another ship that i don’t inherently dislike but i struggle to see because there’s really nothing in common there to work with. the more i see of the ship and how it’s portrayed by the majority atm the more i don’t think these people actually understand eddie. he’s not an uwu quirky weirdo baby. he’s literally a criminal, he’s ready and willing to commit violence if he needs to, he’s got a huge amount of undiagnosed and untreated issues that are ruining his life, he’s an INCREDIBLY strong personality and most people don’t like him for a reason. he doesn’t give a shit about like 90% of the stuff the rest of the cast cares about. he and steve have completely opposite outlooks and life goals.
It’s very frustrating to me to see the billy-eddie dynamic largely overlooked but i know why it’s happening. it’s also very frustrating to me to see eddie so blatantly fucked up by the fandom and then see others not want to engage with his actual character because of the negative connotations with the assholes in the larger community. like billy’s already canonically had a friend like eddie in the past we meet him in runaway max. his name is sid and he’s a punk dude and he’s very sweet. he shows max a whole magazine of guitars.
tl;dr : billy and eddie would 100000000% be best friends and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take a moment to really clear their head of biases and look again at what we actually know about these characters and the context they’d be meeting in.
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Why can’t m*levens just accept that Mike has just been very badly written these last two seasons? Like, they keep saying that it’s because us bylers want him to babysit Will or whatever (when Will himself has indirectly stated that Mike’s the only one who doesn’t and that makes him feel normal despite everything and that’s canon) when most of the GA has noticed that the writing for Mike has sucked? They keep justifying everything he’s done with “he was focused on El because she was in danger” okay at the beginning of s4 she wasn’t in danger and he still couldn’t even hug Will for no reason and they’d be just okay with that because “people can grow apart that’s realistic” but then when you tell them that maybe, just maybe, Mike and El’s relationship has some serious problems that might result in a break up later on suddenly it’s the end of the world? Because he said “i love you”? It’s not realistic for kids to break up? I don’t understand for the life of me how the writing for m*leven has been so bad both in s3 and s4 and there’s people still interested in their relationship? Their bond is indeed special, but I feel like reducing the whole storyline to a forced and out of place “I love you” (that doesn’t even feel earned because El had to be crying and later almost dying in front of him to be let out, at the same time that Max was also dying) is just not a good way to write a relationship and there was literally no need to write it like that. It wasn’t the “mature relationship problems” that the interviews have been pushing because their relationship simply isn’t mature. I’ve never seen Mike and El actually, properly talk in three damn season. It’s okay to ship them; it’s not okay to not notice that the writing has not been doing them justice. And it’s just there for them to see: people have lost interest in them. People from the GA who don’t care about other ships. Refusing to see the reality that this is a badly written couple is not the woke take they want it to be, they’re not seeing something nobody else is seeing, it’s just plain bad and lazy writing, and the same goes for not accepting that Mike as character has been neglected for the sake of his relationship with El. Sorry for the rant.
So, while I understand your take on this and where you're coming from, I actually don't think Mike's character was written poorly in seasons 3 and 4, mostly because I've seen this exact dynamic play out in my own life. I had a friend I used to do everything with in elementary school and we were constantly joking around and playing games until one day she completely changed up on me and told me that she didn't want to be silly or play games anymore because it wasn't mature. To her, maturity looked like giving up a lot of the things you enjoyed as a kid in order to be more serious or more adult; it's kind of an attempt to prove to yourself that you're ready for this transition into adulthood. And while there was never anything romantic between my friend and I, I was left really confused and feeling rejected because it didn't really just feel like she was rejecting herself, it felt like she was rejecting me too. This is almost exactly what we see play out in Mike and Will's dynamic in season 3. In seasons 1 and 2, we see Mike being attentive to his friends, embracing his weirdness, loving and writing campaigns for DnD, and spending quality time with Will. When El comes back into the picture in season 3, Mike believes that he's being asked to step up and being pushed into this next phase in his life in which he believes he has to be more serious and mature, which to him means rejecting all of the things that once made him happy in order to fit into this mold of what he believes is expected of him, to grow up, get serious, and dedicate his time to his girlfriend. That's why he seems to have no real balance between his relationship with El and his friends, because he doesn't really believe that he can be both. To this version of Mike, he views not only his interests, but his relationship with Will as something that is childish that he now has to give up in order to reach adulthood. If we read his character this way, then it makes a lot more sense as to how this story arc intertwines with Will's arc in season 3. We see Will confused because all of his friends seem more interested in their girlfriends than in the hobbies that they shared together, and he isn't sure why his friends, especially Mike, seem like different people all of a sudden. So when we see Mike and Will's fight in the rain, Mike is attempting to reject what he views as childish (games, fantasy, and his love for Will), but Will only really feels it as Mike rejecting him, and this sets up the events of season 4 with a lot more clarity.
To your point about Mike and El's relationship, I also don't think that it's poorly written, but I don't think it's authentic either. In season 3, the only real scenes we get with Mike and El are them either making out or whispering to each other, both of which don't display true emotional maturity or a real basis for connection. Their relationship is obsessive and based in a lot of routine. I think both Mike and El use this relationship as a way to explore what they think growing up and maturing is supposed to look like, but they do this to the detriment of themselves because El forms her sense of self around Mike and Hopper while Mike gives up his interests and the parts of himself that make him unique in order to appear normal in this relationship with El.
Anyway, I go more into my take on the writing of Mike in season 4 in this ask if you'd like to check it out, but I 100% believe that Mike's story arc has always been intentional.
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SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IN SEASON 3 THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT GET BC OF -The Shortening- BUT I STILL WANNA PUT OUT THERE
Gus, Willow, Hunter, and Amity just generally not knowing how to act towards ANYTHING
But also the four of them and Luz being able to lean on each other bc they understand what they’re going through (this is a traumatizing moment for them! They have no clue what’s happening to any of the people they care about aside from each other!)
OH and ALSO Gus, Willow, and Amity having to adjust to not being as reliant on their magic bc of ~insert reason why they can’t use their magic a lot in the human realm here~
Gus and Hunter exploring the human realm! Bc Gus loves human stuff and Hunter is kind of technically maybe a human and we get a little heart to heart moment about that
The boiling isles is descending into pure chaos and everything is falling apart at the seams
The “so you tried to get my daughter dissected a few months ago and now you’re her girlfriend?” conversation between Amity and Camila bc I feel like Luz is gonna (lovingly) embarrass Amity in front of her mom just a little bit- like it’s not a serious conversation at all and Camila is laughing about it from the beginning but it still Happened
But then she tells her about everything that happened in reaching out and we get to see Camila being all sweet and accepting of course
Willow just being Willow because GOD she is so cool and I love her?? I want Willow and Camila interaction like I feel like they’d get along really well
Hunter and Vee having a ~we hate Belos~ bonding moment
No but seriously like I imagine the collector is playing with the titan’s bones like they’re building blocks rn someone needs to intervene
Lumity date!!! Just lumity moments in general!! There’s SO much potential here and like we aren’t gonna get as much as a whole season would have but like there are so many things you could do and I imagine the fic writers are gonna go WILD (tbh the whole scenario of the group being in the human realm is gonna generate so much good fan content)
Luz and Camila finally having a face to face talk about everything! They have a lot to work through and like this is a very emotional time and I’m excited to see how they support each other as everyone is trying to get back to the boiling isles. I think this set up REALLY works in favor of showing Camila just how much Luz has made a life for herself in the boiling isles and will open her up more to letting her return in the future!
More of just Willow getting to prove how awesome and strong and powerful and threatening she is, especially in ways that don’t necessarily involve her magic! (I cannot for the life of me think of specific things for her rn BUT I WANT A LOT OF WILLOW CONTENT IN S3 PLEASE)
There’s definitely more stuff in my brain that isn’t coming up rn if I remember I will ADD
But seriously!! As much as I’m heartbroken that Luz has been separated from King and Eda, I think that having the hexside squad with her in the human realm was SUCH a good scenario! Like I think there’s a good amount of emphasis in s2b (especially from Eda) about wanting Luz to just be able to be a kid, and although tensions are gonna be high and there won’t be much down time, I think that this allows her to do that a bit more while also reaffirming how important Willow, Gus, Amity, and Hunter are both within her life and as characters in the show. As much as King’s Tide ended Very dramatically and very devastatingly, I think I was pleasantly surprised with this (from a writing standpoint) bc it’s SO DIFFERENT from what I was expecting and allows for a lot of dynamics we haven’t seen!
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Brittana. Thoughts?
Ooh, question!
I will try to restrain myself from full-on rambling again. They’re sweet! Like, they’re not my absolute favourite ship on the show, but that’s more because I gravitate towards ones that are fun to make angsty and messy, and brittana aren’t really that? They’re two people who know one another so well, and will always support one another, and they’re just sweet on those grounds.
Dynamic wise, I love the fact Santana will find any excuse to insult someone, but when it comes to Brittany she’s instantly supportive (shout out to “Our prom theme is dinosaurs!” “Sheer genius.”) Absolutely no one would get away with even half of what Brittany does if they were anyone else, but Santana has a secret soft side and it’s adorable. Equally, Brittany low-key being very perceptive and being willing to go just as far for Santana makes them a good match.
Brittany able to be casual enough that there’s no pressure on Santana when she’s figuring herself out, that side is just sweet. And then as the years go by, the flipside - I feel like the break-up episode of S4 is endless drama in the fandom, but I kind of love the fact that the two that get the healthiest ending are brittana because, like, they know each other better than the rest, they are more mature than most of the cast. They’re that dynamic Glee seems to love doing, the cynic and the optimist, the cynic helping balance out the optimist from going too into the clouds, and the optimist just lighting up the cynic’s life.
Like, they contrast each other in so many ways that you can imagine people not really understanding why they’re together, but the fact they are ends up making a lot of sense.
(Also First Time Ever I Saw Your Face, not strictly a brittana song but it has a moment and it’s my fave cover on the whole show so I’m mentioning it here because I can)
If I’m going for a potted season-by-season:
S1 - okay I saw the “Sex isn’t dating. If it were, Santana and I would be dating,” clip before I saw the show but I didn’t realise it was basically Britt coming out so. I support her?
S2 - ...yeah I’m just going to skip this. From what I can tell S2 is very love-or-hate? And I just. Do not like any characters or ships this season. Brittana are not immune unfortunately.
S3 - okay, there is the one Episode that probably merits a rant-post at some point, but in general I love them here. Troubletones were great, they got more chance to show why they worked well together, and mutual care. This, for me, is when a lot of ships took off, and Brittana are definitely contained with that. We see Santana in a more supportive role than her usual, see the side of her that loves, and they shine.
S4 - yes, break-up angst, but couples that can break up and still navigate a friendship can make for compelling drama. The fact all of that care is still there - the fact that Santana seems to be less jealous that Britt’s with someone else, and more of the fact that she can actually see Sam being a good boyfriend and that potential ‘not endgame’ getting to her, it’s messy but it’s compelling. I love when Britt’s the more grounded one of the two of them sometimes as well, really shows how they complement each other.
S5 - as a follow-on, it’s nice to see the roles reversed for them - Santana coaxing Brittany back to being cheerful, while Brittany is the distracted realist. (Who has terrible maths teachers by the way). Like, it’s small, but it’s a sweet continuation for them.
S6 - I had a grin on my face for the whole wedding thank you
You can probably squeeze jealousy angst into them (as mentioned, I love that S4 ‘Santana broke up because it was the best thing for the both of them, but she does miss Britt even if she’s trying to put on a brave face and not hurt her’ and ooooh “To cry in front of you, that’s the worst thing I could do,” is a glorious re-use of the lyric) but for the most part, they’re two people that care for each other deeply and will do what they can to make the other happy and, yeah, sweet.
There’s less to dig into, I feel, beyond the ‘two people that complement each other wonderfully,’ but sometimes that’s just enough. (With the caveat, as ever, I do get the most drawn into the post-graduation dynamics, which does limit brittana interactions).
I can’t speak as to the history of them because I wasn’t there, but I know they were a huge deal to a lot of people when the show first aired, so that definitely earns them a few points too.
...I rambled anyway didn’t I?
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You definitely reminded me of some key points in season 3 that I definitely didn’t consider.
The château being burned down by topper seal the deal of him becoming an enemy. It would be EXTREMELY hard to see topper having a redemption story after that with some corny BS line like “ hey John b no hard feelings with the château, right?”💀💀💀
But just a warning 👀 if you hear Sarah’s voice starting off a epsiode with a reflective monologue of confusion and indecisiveness, then You know what’s coming 😂 let’s see if the pates intentionally screw us over with her character growth.
I agree with Jarah B being the stable couple as the other couples are still fresh and have some more exploring to do with their dynamic. I would love to see a bond created between JJ and Mike maybe closer to the end of season 4 to show Mike he can be the guy for kie and mike should give him a chance just like he was given one before he got accepted into the kooks.. we’ll seeeeee
NOWWWW
MR COUNTRY CLUB HIMSELF
Mark my words if Rafe does not become a Pogue by the end of season 4 he will die sacrificing his life for them with his final words laying in Sarah’s arms saying
“ I finally did something right”
( if I am completely wrong just forget I ever existed 🤣🤣)
LETS BE HONEST Ward created a monster with rafe. But rafe mistakes EAT HIM UP ALIVE which is why he is heavy on drugs. I still remember him crying because Barry didn’t have any coke for him one day and he freaked out. Rafe is a lunatic but not a serial killer. Which is why he went back to save Ward after putting a hit man on him. Rafe wants real acceptance! His problem is he always tries to fix his mistakes last minute.
Rafe isn’t a kook because of the luxury lifestyle. He’s a kook because of power and validation. Unlike topper who is a silver spoon fed kid with no siblings. Just a spoiled single child.
If the JJ and rafe fight happens. I think it’s early in the season. I don’t think they’ll make it a big ordeal. I feel like the Pogue gang will have bigger fish to fry by the end of the season if they’re on a new treasure hunt.
OK, please rip my response to shreds with your thoughts, I’m all ears.
Look at what this stupid little boat show has done to us 🥲
oooooh okay this is such an interesting topic, Rafe is such an interesting character to begin with, so i think his storyline in s4 is the one i'm most curious about. especially since we got nothing from him in the s3 finale for whatever dumb reason.
this is a very complex conversation to have, but to start, i don't think i want a redemption for Rafe! and i think they kind of closed the door on him sacrificing himself for the pogues or Sarah in particular by having Ward do it in season 3. i truly don't know how far they're gonna go with him seeking revenge on the pogues for Ward's death, or what they plan on doing with his character after this season, but whatever it is, i just don't see him turning a new leaf by the end of it. the ending for Rafe i'd most like to see is him going to jail and losing all of his assets and possessions, including Tannyhill, so Pope can snatch it up and make it a museum that tells the true story of Denmark Tanny. but i'm getting ahead of myself, let's talk about the really juicy stuff
do Rafe's actions eat him up anymore? i definitely agree that in the first 2 seasons, he was an absolute wreck trying to hold himself together with coke and by desperately seeking Ward's validation to keep himself occupied. but what about in season 3? he has that scene with Kie in episode 2 where he tries to paint himself as the victim for killing Peterkin, and i think that his denial truly runs that deep at this point. through spinning the story in his own mind, he's convinced himself that he did the right thing so he doesn't have to feel all the complicated emotions that we saw him feeling at the end of season 1 and even into season 2 in the aftermath of the murder. but in terms of Sarah, he does actually get emotional when he explains that he knows it was wrong, which is incredibly interesting to me. he clearly hasn't done the same mental gymnastics in trying to defend himself for that, so i could definitely see him genuinely feeling remorseful, which opens up that same incredibly complex dynamic that he and Sarah have had for a while now. there's a part of him that will always resent her for being Ward's favorite for so long, but now we can see that there is real guilt about trying to kill her. i think that scene really captures the pure instability of Rafe's mental state that still exists in some capacity, mainly in terms of Sarah, which we unfortunately don't see a ton of moving forward in the season since he barely has any scenes with the pogues. in general, he actually seems pretty confident and secure, maybe the best we've ever seen him, in terms of his mental and emotional state. so is the guilt really bothering him that much? the coke doesn't seem to be a coping mechanism for him like it had been before, like he was constantly using for the majority of season 2. but we just didn't see him struggling with his past actions in season 3, it was much more about his present and especially his future.
but for season 4, i'm definitely expecting a return to the more unstable side of Rafe as he plots revenge. who will he target in particular? who does he think is most responsible? will he choose to leave the other pogues out of the crossfire? if he gets the chance to kill Sarah again, would he take it? if he really was remorseful at the beginning of season 3, has that been overtaken by rage by the beginning of season 4? the year and a half time jump makes this much trickier cause maybe he's been trying to keep his mind off of it and do his own thing and resist the urge to get revenge but when he hears about the pogues getting recognition for their findings, it sends him off the deep end again? or has he been stewing the entire time? has the time given his rage the chance to simmer down a bit or has it only boiled over into something worse? now that he has the blessing of his father, which is the only thing he's ever really wanted, what are his motivations? how will he shift his way of thinking now that there's no more Ward to aspire to or to spite, and how will his mental state fare now that he believes that the pogues have taken away any opportunity he might've had to mend his relationship with his father?
there's truly so many things to consider and countless different avenues that his path could take, and i really do not know what is most likely at this point!! Drew hasn't even gotten to set yet so there's absolutely no bts to speculate about either. personally, i love Rafe as a character and i don't wanna see him killed off, and like i said before, although he expresses remorse in 3x02, i'm not sure if it's gonna be enough moving forward. i've always been interested in his character and have never shied away from the fact that Ward absolutely aided in fucking him up for life, BUT i just don't know if Rafe himself thinks he needs redeeming. and i especially don't know if he'll be thinking in that way in the aftermath of Ward's death.
but really, who knows???? i'm voting squarely against a redemption or any kind of sacrifice, but god, i am so so so intrigued to see where the pates take him.
this was really fun to think about and i could probably ramble on for way way way longer, but this is long enough already!!! thanks for sparking up the discussion! ☺️
#if anyone else has any thoughts feel free to keep the conversation going!#there really is so much to talk about and consider when it comes to rafe's character#sorry if this is all over the place i tried my best to make it as cohesive and understandable as possible#obx
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sibling hcs ~ eleven + will
a/n: oh hey guys,,,,i’m back from the dead and currently obsessed with stranger things
i feel like we dont get enough wileven content without mike so these are meant to take place in that span of time between the end of s3 and beginning of s4 here u go
after living with each other for almost a year
it’s safe to say that el and will have fallen into a comfortable brother + sister dynamic
they weren’t exactly close back in hawkins
and will almost resented her for stealing his best friend
but how could he hate her
el’s still learning a lot about how the real world works
he got protective right away when angela and her clique started teasing her
but el convinced him to let it be, she can handle it herself
so he supports her the best he can while staying out of it
will helps el test her powers in the shed(just in case they’ve come back overnight)
and when it doesn’t work, they eat eggos till they’re ready to yak
el always keeps her door open three inches, out of habit
some nights will crawls into bed with her when he’s had a nightmare of the upside down
since they’ve shared that experience they can comfort eachother better than anyone else
they also share clothes
“what? no we don’t-hey is that my shirt??”
it’s just that he loves to wear plaid button ups just like the ones hopper used to have
“uhhhh we’re late for first period let’s go”
“JANE”
he only calls her that when he’s joking-around mad or at school
the rest of the time she’s el
she’s been pestering will for weeks to tell her who he likes
because she just knows he’s crushing on someone
but he can’t tell her
“i will find out eventually, you know”
oh, the woes of falling for your sister’s long distance boyfriend
but this isn’t about mike
anyways
el cutting her bangs over the bathroom sink while will sits on the counter supervising
(joyce had a fit, but eventually decided they look good on her)
will introducing el to the clash just like jonathan did with him
apparently el really likes rock
you can now find her screaming in her room to the chorus of call me by blondie
*will banging on the other side of the wall* JANE WILL YOU SHUT UP I’M TRYING TO WORK HERE
*el just turns the radio up louder*
midnight snacks on chocolate pudding, the kind that comes in a can
it reminds them of hawkins and what it would have been like if el went to school with the party
giggling around the corner while joyce interrogates a sky-high jonathan on his whereabouts for the past two days
he’s paid them both $2 to cover for him
will says the lighting is better in el’s room during certain parts of the day
so she’ll let him paint at her desk while she lies on the bed with her sketchbook
he was so excited when he found out she liked at draw as well
will’s been more into painting, lately, so he lets her use his colored pencils and charcoal
they don’t fight often
but when they do it’s over something stupid or just because one is tired and annoyed
two hours after they’ve finished yelling el knocks on will’s door with a tub of strawberry ice cream and two spoons
and all arguments are forgotten
#will byers#jane hopper#eleven#stranger things#stranger things hcs#stranger things 4#ty for reading#ily muah
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ok well, I’m well into s11 and so it’s time to talk about s10
Edit: talked so much about Margaret, that now I’m gonna divide it into individual posts: this one Margaret, then Klinger, then Charles, and maybe some closing thoughts
it’s funny because I’m reading back on the episodes and they were really solid + had some overall favourites in them, but I think my head has been in a “rapidly approaching the end” kind of mood, which has made it hard for me to go into watching episodes that are following the same patterns as before.
which is interesting, because obviously it’s syndication, and so that’s what the episodes are meant to be doing, I’m just being more and more subjective in how I engage with that format. I instinctively want these episodes (and the s11 ones) to give me character insights and building stakes, but of course it’s not going down like that
(on that note I wonder if the backhalf of s11 will have some of that -- not the stakes so much, but big character moments that affect them throughout the rest of the season, or if it’s not until the last episode that these things occur)
I think my main (subconscious?) comparison while watching this is deep space nine -- I’m drawing lines across the two that aren’t at all intentional, but just come from how deeply these two shows have affected me, but of course one of the things that makes deep space nine special is that it resisted easy categorisation by making a series of arcs that continued throughout the whole show and continuously affected and changed the characters, even as it was technically meant to be in syndication (and airing things out of order was consequently a mess)
watching MASH for the first time, what surprised me was that it threaded in long-term character arcs into the syndication format, with Margaret’s arc being the one that I think is the most obvious.
so speaking of Margaret I think that arc culminated in “stars and stripes,” in season 8, which gave me one of my favourite interactions between any characters on the show (the final one with her and Hawkeye).
In s9+10 she’s had “father’s day” and “the birthday girls” which both give us things (in particular was interesting to finally see her father and be like... “yeah, you’re exactly the kind of man I imagined... a dick” + whenever Potter especially stands up for Margaret I’m warm and fuzzy -- “birthday girls” sees a rare Klinger and Margaret bonding moment, and I just rewatched “aid station” way back in s3 in which he and Hawkeye both tell her she’s their favourite, so am glad they got this moment)
but I would argue, especially “the birthday girls” isn’t so much taking her character new places, so much as polishing up some things we already know + giving a few neat character interactions
beyond that she’s been far more of an ensemble member, and not in a way where she gets to have narratives in conjunction with others, except for in “give ’em hell, hawkeye,” in which she’s specifically in charge of the garden + speaks with the Korean kid who’s struggling
In “that’s show biz” she fades a bit to the back after the first half, but it does have one of my favourite things about Margaret, which is her bonding with another woman (and me feeling some kinda gay way about it)
-- I’m also personally very fond of the dressing-down she gives BJ in “wheelers and dealers” -- she and BJ and Hawkeye don’t share as much space as during the hey-days of s7. (There’s also “oh, how we danced,” in s9 when she dances with BJ, but she’s not so involved with the plot beyond that, which is similar to her space in “wheelers and dealers” and generally how I’ve felt her character to exist in s10).
EDIT: actually as with so many others, one of my favourite Margaret moments in s10 came from “where there’s a will, there’s a war,” and it’s the scene where she and Hawkeye are laughing in the supply room. have talked a lot about how she and Hawkeye have one of my favourite dynamics as a particular kind of misfit finding one another, and that scene highlights it so well!!!
EDIT EDIT: I cannot BELIEVE I forgot her scream in “follies of the living” it’s one of the top ten Margaret moments of all time! I feel like that really contained some of the tensions I’ve been missing from her character in s9+10, and it didn’t need that much episode space!
what I’m getting at is that she’s not much of a plot-driver, either on her own or in coordination with one or a couple of other characters. She’s in the main ensemble, but she’s not getting to do much that tells us about how she feels or where she might be going next. there’s a little bit of plateauing going on in my opinion
lastly wanted to mention “sons and bowlers,” in which I felt kind of bad for her the whole way through, which was at odds with the intentions of the episode I feel. I think she deserved to be angrier at the way she was being treated in it, rather than “just” desperate for a chance to prove herself, and I think that was a good example of where I feel like I’m missing something from how she’s included this second-to-last season, in connection with what I was saying above (that is, as childish as it comes out, I want there to be some lasting deep character exploration to take me towards the end of the story. I think my expectations are unfairly higher, because I’m sad)
It also features this one sweater I have mixed feelings about, which she wears reeelatively often these days (I am going to figure out how often on this next watch I’m doing). On the one hand, it indicates a freer Margaret who isn’t so bound by military conventions in order to create her sense of self, on the other hand, I feel like it acts as a softening characteristic, similar to (more ds9 parallels) how Kira Nerys went from being a stompy butch to growing her hair out and wearing dresses in order to allegedly not alienate fans.
so whenever I see it I feel a bit... suspicious.
It’s a hard balance for her to pull off the abrasive, perfectionist a-student with a chip on her shoulder characteristics with the person who has softened, because she now trusts the people around her and doesn’t have to put up so much of a front all the time. And I imagine this is all so subjective, and back in “stars and stripes” we got some of the core of Margaret’s conflict and it relates very much to what I’m saying -- everything that she is is balanced precariously and constantly expected to perform in one way or another for men around her. In a lot of ways that performance relates to how an audience views her as well. She has a lot more to pull off than the other characters, and has from the get-go
It’s nice to think that maybe her character has let go of some of those expectations, but at the same time I feel like there’s so much more depth to get out of the questions and conflicts her character has, and I don’t think a looser sweater can solve them
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something struck me rewatching buck begins that i don’t think i ever really noticed before: when buck tells the team about daniel and the ways he used to put himself in danger to get his parents’ attention eddie’s immediate reaction is, “This explains so much about you.”
and like, he says it in a joking manner and the others definitely echo the sentiment but there’s something about that being eddie’s first reaction and then him specifically being the one to say he understood why buck stayed behind in the factory fire later on in the episode
because the thing is, eddie always knows what buck is thinking. he knew what buck needed in 3x01 to get him out of bed. he knew buck would be spiralling and blaming himself in 3x03 and how to make him stop. he knew why buck was acting the way he was in 3x18 when it came to trying to save sam. he knew in 4x04 why buck was so upset with his parents and what to say to validate his feelings. he’s always known buck, has always been able to guess his motivations and his reactions better than anyone else on the team - it’s why they make such good partners
but it’s not until 4x05 that this further context slots into place and changes things because he’s always known buck but now he understands so painfully clearly just about every single facet of who buck is as a person. and the fact that this carries on throughout the season, the fact that it ends in the will reveal, is so??????? there are so many people in buck’s life who have either unwittingly enabled or misjudged his self destructive tendencies. his parents missed the cry for help over and over again. abby and taylor both unconsciously reinforced the notion that people only care when he’s in danger/sacrificing himself. even the 118 who love and cherish buck so dearly don’t always understand the full extent of why he acts the way he does
but we’re shown over and over again that eddie gets it???????? and listen i’ve said it ten million times but the way s4 contrasts “you think you’re indestructible but you’re not” and “you’re not invincible” with “you act like you’re expendable but you’re wrong” is forever going to make me lose it
three sentences, all basically holding the same sentiment on the surface, but the word choice in all three so clearly demonstrates how the other characters view buck. and the only one that’s right, that gets it, that knows is eddie
i think with everything in s5 i sort of forgot just how much of buck and eddie’s scenes in s4 consist of eddie quietly observing buck. sandwiched between the kind of scenes we got in s3 and s5 it’s certainly a more subtle approach to their dynamic but god, there is something so fucking special about the fact that s4 buddie is just an ode to, “To be seen, to be found, isn’t that what we’re all searching for?”
904 notes - Posted August 15, 2022
#3
it’s like. yeah, we exaggerate in fic. yeah, we take throwaway lines or scenes and run with them until we’ve made them into a Thing
but there’s something about the, for lack of a better word, hints 911 gives sometimes.
“chim invites maddie, maddie invites buck, buck invites eddie”
“this is eddie’s house, i’m not really a guest” even though we’ve only seen buck there once prior to that episode
chris calling buck to overhear eddie finding the hildy coffee maker, letting us know at some point they conspired together without eddie knowing
“Probably just as well, after you told him that little thing about the kid in the rotisserie” “That was not a story that was a cautionary tale”
chris going to buck when he’s mad at eddie
chris’ complete non reaction when buck shows up in his room in 4x14 like it’s so normal to see him there that it takes a minute for chris to notice something is wrong
buck making the very correct assumption that chris would be more comfortable/happy staying home with him than going anywhere else while eddie is in hospital
buck coming to greet christopher at the firehouse and picking him up/hugging him in the exact same way eddie does
“he takes christopher there [the zoo] all the time. got the place memorised” even though the last time we’ve seen buck and chris doing an activity on their own was the tsunami episodes
buck at the diaz dining table eating with such ease and familiarity like he doesn’t even need to make conversation because they do this all the time
it’s just. it’s all small stuff, y’know? but it hints at a closeness and a familiarity and a comfort far beyond what we will ever see on the show and it bowls me over sometimes bc in a way it feels Bigger than all the #important moments bc it’s just an accepted part of the narrative. it exists to paint a picture for us. to tell us they’re a unit. they’re a family. and it’s not once, not ever, been questioned since s2 and i am on the Floor
961 notes - Posted March 24, 2022
#2
me watching camila mendes stare straight into the camera and say “peaking in high school is cringe anyway” while brutal by olivia rodrigo blares in the background: now that’s cinema!
2,086 notes - Posted September 25, 2022
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what, in your opinion, is the best onscreen kiss of all time??? not so much in a ‘this is my otp so i love their first kiss’ kind of way. as in, what’s the kiss you look at - whether it be bc of the soundtrack or the setting or the outfit choice or the leadup or the symbolism - and you think, that is a Damn good kiss?????
4,986 notes - Posted January 27, 2022
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S3, ep 6, “6955 KHZ”
Walter and Peter bickering over Peter’s project analyzing the machine winding up with Walter snapping “Fine. If you end up breaking the universe, this time it’s on your head” like Peter’s insisting on doing some minor home repair himself instead of calling a contractor.
Walter brings Astrid food, which is a flip on their usual dynamic, and encourages her in her work to unlock the cipher. Once again Astrid proves how brilliant she is.
Altivia continues to show she has a conscience and sense of decency. She crosses some lines but other she’s not willing to. Which doesn’t mean what she does to Peter is ok, but she’s also not some horrible person who doesn’t care about saving people. She’s not a villain, she’s a person caught in a war, trying to be the best soldier she can be to save her world…and ultimately she’s one of Walternate’s pawns. Not the one controlling the board.
The way Peter cradles Olivia’s (Altivia’s, but he hasn’t realized that yet) head so gently when he hugs her, after what she says is a shapeshifter attack. So relieved she’s alive. Is getting to me. It’s how he feels about Olivia—his Olivia—but he hasn’t let himself see yet how he’s being deceived because he doesn’t want to see it, he wants this loving partnership with Olivia. He wants this life with her where they work together and they’re together. Peter and Altivia a few eps earlier have a conversation that actually explains why Peter doesn’t catch onto it, without them actually talking about that specifically, Peter realizing it’s about himself yet. THE LAYERS.
“You would have to do whatever you have to do, whatever the cost, to protect our world” — Altivia wanting understanding, from Peter, for why she is playing the game she’s playing. She’s uneasy. Her conscience bothers her and she’s looking for validation, without telling him the truth.
And Peter being very very Peterish points out there are billions of people on the other world, people living their lives, same as in his world. “I gotta believe there’s another way.” While Altivia, who believes what she’s doing is right because it’s to save her world, isn’t getting the answer she wanted to hear. His response is far more big picture compassionate than her justifications.
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I know we got a grand total of 3 minutes of shared screentime between Guillermo and Laszlo this season but those three minutes mean the world to me. Out of all the vampires, Laszlo is the most agnostic towards Guillermo and I’ve seen comments about how their relationship hasn’t really progressed beyond that- but I disagree.
Someone pointed out that Lazlo and Guillermo are foils and while I don't know if I that's exactly the way I'd word it there is quite a bit of merit to the thought. Lazlo is a very sensory-oriented person. He reacts to his environment and focuses on sound (music) and touch (sex mostly) to express himself rather than being direct. Guillermo is the complete opposite. He's secretive about his sexuality, very internalized, and prefers to talk things out. Also, to be honest, he's the help and Lazlo comes from an upper-class background so that combined with not having much in common with Guillermo isn't the best combination for a long-lasting relationship.
Yet their dynamic has taken an interesting turn, starting in s3.
I could go through every little moment in s3 (who knows, I may in a later post) but ultimately the biggest scene is in the last episode where Laszlo acknowledges Guillermo as a “damn good bodyguard”. He literally entrusted the safety of the love of his life to Guillermo. In Laszlo’s mind, this is the highest praise.
Then in s4 we had Baby Colin added into the mix. The only thing that was ever going to unite them was baby Colin. It's their only other common interest beyond keeping Nadja safe. And at first Laszlo’s not crazy about the idea because Colin is his boy. He raised him. He fed him out of the dog bowl. He made sure he wouldn't be fucking boring. BUT baby Colin likes Guillermo and Guillermo is really good at thinking of ways for baby Colin not to die so slowly they begin spending more time together through baby Colin. I think this was especially true after the Nandor wedding. By the end of it he may not be willing to pretend that he's dating Guillermo (ew, too weird. He's too much of a Helsing) but he's letting Guillermo sit in on parenting talks. He even consults Guillermo about telling Colin he's an energy vampire.
It may be more subtle than Nandor slowly realizing he’s been crushing on his familiar for the best decade and change, or Nadja who pretended to date him (and then agreed not to kill his family even though they tried to kill her). But it’s there. Laszlo values Guillermo even if he doesn’t fully realize it. He's a good bodyguard, a good familiar, and likely a good human in Lazlo's eyes.
IDK I just think s5 may be leading to an interesting dynamic between the two. Guillermo is on his way to becoming and vampire and Laszlo, someone who has truly embraced vampirism for most of his eternal life, has realized there are true repercussions to his undead curse.
#laszlo headcanon tag.#/ more of my thoughts than a headcanon but w/e#I ranted about this to rosemary a while back but I wanted to post it here as well
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