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loki-hargreeves · 11 months

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Put your fictional foil hats on because I have a moon knight theory. I don't necessarily believe in it, but I do think it's interesting to look into. (I'm sorry if this is all over the place, I'm over-caffeinated and it's 3 AM)

What if Jake was Khonshu's avatar before Marc?

I started thinking about this because of the cave scene in episode 5. What if Steven saw this [bird skeleton] because it's a sign that Khonshu was there that day?

Let's say for the matter of this theory that Khonshu was there. Why?

I think that Khonshu may have the ability to see if someone will be a good avatar for him in the future, in the same way that Ammit can judge a soul and tell if a person will do something evil (or not) in the future. Maybe Khonshu knew that one day he would need Marc and therefore he kept him under his wing. Perhaps Marc was also meant to die in that cave but he lived because of Khonshu?

Either way, I think Khonshu has seen Marc as a candidate for a very long time. And we know Khonshu has candidates because he kept telling Marc about his next potential avatar and implied it's Layla (sure he said it to manipulate Marc, but Khonshu did end up actually asking Layla to be his avatar too)

But if Khonshu was in Marc's life already, why can't Marc remember him? It wouldn't surprise me that from that day forward, Khonshu started to follow Marc around, lurking in the shadows. Maybe Khonshu reached out to Jake first.

Khonshu reached out to Marc when it was absolutely necessary. Is it a coincidence that Khonshu happened to be there when Marc was so close to the end, or had Khonshu already been in the picture for a while? (sure it was in a temple by his statue but oh well) If he had been waiting for the moment to get Marc to be his fist of vengeance too, it was a perfect moment because he was so vulnerable.

Maybe Steven was more right here than he knows?

Also, let's imagine for the fun of the theory that Khonshu tells Marc "Rise and live AGAIN" because he has already said these things to Jake.

and here Khonshu implies that Marc was dead once before or a mere "corpse". Sure he was about to die but Marc never did actually die. This makes me think that perhaps that day in the cave as a child he was dead/almost dead by Khonshu saved him. Once again it's interesting how when Khonshu "first" saved Marc, he used the word again. (could be symbolic and sure Marc was shot, but the word 'again' also opens doors to silly little theories)

Marc tells Steven "Turns out going AWOL in a fugue state gets you discharged from the military." Steven can't remember that, so it's only natural to assume Jake was fronting. But why? I know this is a reach but is it possible Jake was doing missions for Khonshu? So that's why Khonshu happened to be lingering around when Marc was nearly killed.

I always found it so interesting how quick Khonshu was to agree to leave both Steven and Marc alone. Yes, we already know it's because Khonshu already knew about Jake. But he seemed so confident like he already knew Jake would agree to work with him solo. As if they had been doing that for a while now.

If Jake was the original avatar, before Marc and Steven, it would make sense that Khonshu was so quick to agree to go back to just Jake. He was already used to that.

Khonshu and Jake certainly must've worked together for a very long time for Khonshu to consider him a friend. Even if it's just to manipulate them all further, I don't see Khonshu using the term friend lightly.

Something that could poke a hole in this is Harrow. I can't figure out when exactly Harrow was Khonshu's avatar or the exact rules of being an avatar. Like can there be multiple? Did Harrow know about Jake? Maybe not by name, but still. He definitely knew about Marc and I'd love to know if it was really Marc or perhaps Jake that Harrow really knew about. (Another season of mk would really help enlighten us)

So even if I don't think this is the case, I think there's enough stuff in canon to make this a fun theory that could apply in fanfics etc. It's interesting to think about. There's definitely more shady business going on between Jake and Khonshu.

If Khonshu was so adamant about making sure Marc kept Steven out of the picture, then would it be too far reached to think that Khonshu had a similar deal with Jake regarding Marc and Steven? Perhaps even before Marc became Moon Knight.

#please don't take this too seriously I'm sensitive #long post #I don't know if that makes any sense at all #I wrote this once already and tumblr deleted it #moon knight #marc spector #jake lockley #steven grant #arthur harrow #khonshu #khonshu (moon knight)#moon knight theory

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walled-flwr · 2 years

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Marc saying "oh baby" as he runs up to Layla and hugs her and him holding her head like this im going FERAL #moonknight #marcspector #LaylaElFaouly

The MCU isn't kidding around with the couple's this phase huh? We got Druig × Makkari and now, Layla & Marc.

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thirteens-lucky-tardis · 8 months

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Let's talk Moon Knight

Here's one of my theories for the future of Moon Knight in the MCU

Layla el Faouly is the wife to protagonist Marc Spector, as you all know. When watching Moon Knight, I noticed something about her...

Let's take a closer look at her earrings. A moon is there, obviously, to represent Moon Knight.

Layla was the avatar of Tawaret for a short period of time, unsure if she will remain the avatar at this point in time. But back to the earrings...

Along with the moon, there appears to be what resembles a snake. In Egyptian mythology, the god of chaos, Apep, is depicted as a snake

Apep has a bad relationship with most of the gods/goddesses. Introducing Apep in the future of the MCU could pose a very interesting relationship between his avatar and Marc/Layla. Apep is one of the enemies of Ra, so his introduction could also mean the introduction of other gods/goddesses into the MCU, meaning more avatars.

Apep's avatar could potentially be a character already established in the MCU, or it could be an entirely new character. I feel whoever is the avatar would get along well with Wanda since Wanda has chaos magic.

Whether Layla's earrings are symbolic of the future or not, it's still interesting to talk about.

What do you guys think?

#moon knight #marc spector #steven grant #jake lockley #layla el faouly #khonshu #tawaret #apep #marvel #moon knight theory #marvel theory

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luke-o-lophus · 2 years

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This (fucking heartbreaking) scene. When I watched first, I tried to make sense of Marc's tears. Over someone who, in his words, made his life a living hell? Is it because he didn't get closure?

I have a different feeling.

Which brings me to Elias Spector. The father.

He's shown as a guy wrecked with grief and torn between his spiralling wife and abused child, trying to give Marc some semblance of normalcy. But let's take a step back. There is no way Elias didn't know about the shouting and beating. He didn't pull Marc out of it. Yes, he was in a terrible spot...but he was in a higher position of power compared to a child. He chose to keep the crumbs left of his family instead of seeking help and protecting his (now) only son.

In this scene, Marc spots him in the room at his mom's funeral. There's a long stare, and his dad doesn't come out to meet him. Marc is expected to swallow in all his trauma, be the bigger man and go inside. That's the moment it crashes into him how complicit his dad had been in his abuse. Even in her death, he'd rather be at the funeral than step out and meet his son. Even in her death, Elias chooses her over Marc.

And then Marc fucking breaks.

(finally had the courage to write this post after a conversation with @thatsthewrongwallcraig !...thank you <3)

#moon knight #moon knight theory #show analysis #marc spector #marc spector x reader #steven grant #i hope this post is seen by some people #domestic abuse #childhood abuse #trauma #ptsd #steven grant x reader #the moon knight #moon knight x reader #we need to talk more about abuse complicity

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robin-the-robo · 2 years

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OMG GUYS WAIT I THINK I’VE CRACKED IT

You know how Marc and Steven have a different suit and the only thing they have in common is being all white? Well… what have we seen Jake inside of that’s all white and hides his identity?

Listen… What if his ““suit”” is the white limousine?

Look maybe I’m over here thinking I connected the dots and didn’t actually connect shit, but think about it for a second… Jake doesn’t want Marc and Steven to know about him, and while the existence of another Moon Knight wouldn’t be weird (it just means that the manipulative pigeon found someone else), a moon knight that might appear on the news right after the two of them blacked out would DEFINITELY be suspicious!

This way though how could a potential witness describe him? He’s a guy with a hat whose most recognizable thing is a white limo that can’t possibly be traced to the three of them, because it only exists when Jake wants it to!

Plus I just like the idea of Jake, cabbie at heart, listening to Khonshu say “you’ll need the suit” and deciding screw that actually, give him a magic car or no deal.

#i imagine that it can still heal him and he’s the only one who can drive it #i think it would be fun. true? maybe not. but fun!#moon knight #jake lockley #marc spector #steven grant #mr knight #khonshu #spektor limo #moon knight theory #moon knight headcanon #robin’s things

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myparadisechaos · 2 years

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Lol imagine Peter meeting Steven/Marc/Jake and being like

#steven grant #moon knight #marc spector #moon knight x y/n #y/n x moon knight #moon knight incorrect quotes #steven grant x y/n #jake lockley #steven grant x you #moon knight theory #peter parker #marvel #marvel au #star wars #poe dameron

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runa-falls · 9 months

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HELLO first of all I'm outing myself as the person who sent the waltzing ask from a little bit ago, I'm so thrilled you liked it :3 (I was also the tall person with a puppy for the shipping game and I was THRILLED you gave me Steven cause he is lowkey my fave boy) But more importantly I wanna say CONGRATS ON 3K you're one of, if not THE best, x reader writer I follow and you've fully reawakened my love for the Moon Knight boys :3 (languishing as I wait for any s2 news lol)

While I'm still stuck on a prompt to send you for the celebration, I felt like you would be the right person to ask about this: I noticed that in the last few episodes of the show, Steven wears this little chain around his neck that is always peeking out from the collar of his shirt and oooooh I love it so much but I can't get a good enough look to be able to tell if there's a pendant on the chain or what it is and I'm dying to know XD No pressure of course, it's just a little thing, but again, your writing is THE BEST <3

AHHH THE WALTZ ASK I LOVE IT AND I'M STILL WORKING ON IT EHEHE ~ thank you so much for sending in a bunch of awesome asks :) i'm so happy the moon knight fandom is still thriving!

OMG THE CHAIN PLS:

not to be a nerd but i want it to be a gold wheat chain necklace...

this episode has marc in the field of reeds, the egyptian afterlife of eternal peace, after steven freezes up in the sand when he fell off taweret's boat. eventually marc rejects this 'perfect' life in order to save steven + tell him that he's his real super power (cue my UGLY CRYING AHH)

i like to think that this "wheat chain" necklace that he has on in the asylum is a foreshadowing element that represents how steven is marc's "field of reeds"...that steven has always been there as an escape from reality to support marc through his hard times. wheat is also symbolic of life, so it could just be a indicator of their connection to the overworld. IDK IDK

#moon knight #jennathearcher #em's 123 celebration #moon knight theory #i'm probably just reading WAYYY too into this

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inchident-jpg · 2 years

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give jake lockley a cat now.

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traveller-of-the-knight · 2 months

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Do you know what I love about moon knight? (Many things, yes but-)

The way that when Marc was questioning all of his sanity, questioning if he'd ever worked or ever met an egyptian god, questioning if everything that happened in the last decade was real, questioning everything he saw- He never questioned Steven. No Steven is there and he is real. They've been together since they are children, he survived because he knew he wasn't alone, he knew Steven is real, even if others probably have told him otherwise.

I think about that a lot.

And I want someone to love me as Marc loves Steven, a love so strong and real that against all odds, even if Steven being real sounds impossible Marc doesn't lose faith. Because a love that strong must be real

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griots-tales · 2 years

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Moon Knight Ep 6 Finale Spoilers:

Seeing Layla as Tawarett's avatar makes me even surer that the Black Panther is trained to be Bast's avatar. Because-

Fighting skills

multidimensional experiences

spirituality/ rituals/ chanting connected to their powers

A super suit that matches the appearance of their patron God, which has a signature metallic element (Moon ninja blades, sword wings, and claws)

AND ESPECIALLY THAT ANCESTRAL PLANE REFERENCE

There certainly are separate African gods, since the ancestral plane is separate from the Duat... and it also explains why Bast doesn't speak through the Black Panther like the gods of the Ennead do. She's probably a goddess like Isis, who is worshipped within multiple pantheons.

Instead of possessing her avatar, she gave them a herb that kinda gives them the same abilities. (Giving things might be the signature move of Marvel Orishas idk)

This also means that the Great Gorilla is Hanuman's avatar. M'Baku certainly has his own powers, because that strength ain't just from a vegetarian diet.

Neither of them practices the voice possession part of Avatardom; but their tradition seems to be keeping someone ready to be the Avatar, should the need arise.

Why else is there only one Black Panther, or Great Gorilla? And why do they wear things that symbolize the god so closely?*

It would have made sense in making an army of people with those powers, since there is no consequence of more than one person taking the herb. (Like N'Jadaka and T'Challa), but they still didn't do that.

And I can hear her saying "You will be my champion, my avatar."

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*While T'Challa literally looks like a cat (like Marc looks like a bandaged moon-themed dude), Layla and M'Baku have more subtle references in their outfits. From what I know, Hanuman is a God who stands for devotion, loyalty, humility, and discipline: and M'Baku wearing brown shades and wooden armor, along with a Gorilla skin on his back basically radiates that. He also doesn't dress too differently from his warriors, although he's the leader.🥰🥰

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petrawood · 2 years

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Who is Jake Lockley? A meta/theory of the show

Fancy title is fancy.

Okay so after watching the finale I find myself having a lot of thoughts and feelings about Jake, as per usual.

So, to start with, I do not believe he’s evil, but I DO get the feeling he would be one of the antagonists (together with Khonshu, who is in some way the big villain in Moon Knight in general) if there is a season 2. In all his “appearances” (read: blackouts) and the end credits scene he has been shown as somebody who is cappable of great violence, so I get that for the moment, at first glance, he might seem evil. The thing is, I believe that season 1 has already left some groundwork behind to stablish where Jake comes from a little bit better, a groundwork that would propell his characterisation in future appearances.

More after the cut!

I will be talking about Marc and Steven as characters and one very important scene in the asylum and how it shines a new light onto who Jake might be, as well as his relationship with Khonshu! (This got long OMG)

Marc, Steven and false duality

The show seems to want to stablish Marc and Steven as complete opposites since the beginning, showing them struggling against each other, their identities clashing with each other (Steven in a pacifist, Marc has violent outburts; Steven is really intelligent and knowledgable, Marc has some amazing fighting prowess; Steven comes out as hopeful, innocent and naive, while Marc seems cynical and strict). This contrast in emphaticed to the viewers by making it seem like they are the only two alters, instantly creating an illusiory duality. As the show goes along we start understanding these characters, why they are how they are, we uncover their hidden depths and follow them in their discovery of themselves and growth as individuals. This way, we see Steven gaining confidence in his knowledge and skills and standing up for himself, to the point of downright antagonizing Khonshu and pressing him to make a deal that would leave Marc and himself out of the god’s grasp. We as the audience see how much Marc has suffered, his distante for killing and guilt over the death of his brother, how the grieves for his mother but yet how cappable he is of love, how much he cares for Layla and Steven, to the point of sacrificing himself for them (making a deal with Khonshu and abandoning the Fields of Reeds). We see him learn to express his feelings and grief and ultimately starting to forgive himself, thanks to Steven’s support.

So, what about Jake?

The thing is, by putting the focus of attention in Marc and Steven and therefore manufacturing this false duality (since their differences are not at all that extreme), the show has made us forget that there are not only two alters, there are three. Intellectually, we know that Jake is there, but since we don’t really get to meet him, we never get to figure out his place in the narrative and, most importantly, in the system.

Now, right after watching the after-credits scene, I started thinking, and there was one particular scene that popped to my mind quite quickly.

The Asylum and Marc’s fears

Remember the asylum? I have seem some people theorice that, taking inspiration from the comics (Lemire’s run, spoilers!), the one behind Marc’s vision of a mental hospital might have been Khonshu, manipulating him by making him doubt his reality. I personally do not agree with this theory, since the asylum only started appearing once Marc and Steven had been shot. I believe it is what it is stated to be in the show: how the Duat presents itself to feel more “comfortable” and familiar to Marc and Steven, plain and simple, no trickery to be found. Therefore, since the Duat seems to feed off the dead traveller’s mind, I think that the scenes between both Marc and Steven and Doctor Harrow are simply manifestations of Marc’s mind (since he’s the most exceptic one and also has the most selfhate), putting every single detail into doubt and repeatting over and over again that he must be crazy, that he cannot trust his own senses and experiences, etc (remember, Marc is the one that shows more resistance to accepting himself and his DID, it takes being possessed by Khonshu and Harrow taking advance of the stigma afaints mental illnesses to get him to admit that he needs help). Therefore, I think that Doctor Harrow could be interpreted and his own self-doubts and hatred, throwing againts him(self) the things that he’s the most insecure and afraid of, although they do make him face them head-front (”is this real? you are just denying reality. You have to face your fears- which is actually helfpul-. Maybe that’s why Steven knows inmmediality that it is an illusion, might even explain why Steven doesn’t have a room of his own: “when danger is near, Steven Grant has no fear”, he doesn’t grown afraid, he is not fearful of not knowing his own reality or facing a painful reality, he always pushes through). That’s the reason why both Marc and Steven see Harrow’s bloody footsteps, refuse to listen to him and “wake up” from the room, Marc has learnt to forgive himself and see his self-hatred for what it is: a deception created to hurt himself, but not a reflection of reality.

Taking this into account, and keeping in mind that according to this theory Doctor Harrow’s words are Marc’s hidden fears, I think this scene is VERY interesting:

(Image description: Marc staring at the water inside a cup and then at Doctor Harrow with a look of slight sadness and fear on his face, Doctor Harrow saying “do you think you created Steven to hide from all the awful things you feel you’ve done in your life, or do you think Steven created Marc to punish the world for what your mother did to you?”)

I think that the answer to this question is neither, and both at the same time, just that it doesn’t apply to Steven, but to Jake.

Marc is perfectly aware of who Steven is and what he means to him, he has said to multiple times. He wants to see Steven life a happy, normal life, he loves his hope and how he was always there for him, he wants to protect him and hide him from hurt. He doesn’t fit at all the topic of the question.

But, and Jake? Where does Jake come from? And how does Harrow’s question apply to him?

Lets look at the evidence.

Who is Jake

What have we seen Jake do over and over again? When has he appeared? When Steven and Marc are in extreme danger, and probably about to die (when Harrow’s thugs attacked Steven, the car chase, when Marc faced off against those guys at Cairo, when Harrow was siphoning Khonshu’s power). I believe that Jake, as a lot of people have said, is a protector alter, which, according to did-research.org (which I hope is a good source, please correct me if I use missinformation!) are “alters that protect the body, system, host, core, or other specific alters or groups of alters. Physical protectors might take or try to prevent physical abuse or become aggressive in an attempt to defend against physical abuse”. I believe that every single time Jake has appeared, he has been both preventing either Steven or Marc from dying and actually going one step further and trying to put them out of harm’s way (taking the cab back to the airport in Cairo, leaving the military during Marc’s fugue state and generally killing every one that might be a danger). He’s trying to protect the other alters, not just being mindlessly violent.

Now, the speculation (and actual link to the question, yay!) starts.

Marc absolutely hates killing. While it hasn’t been said outright, he mourns over a room full of his targets saying that he remembers every single one of their faces. He says that, after one point, he wished that one of them might finally kill him instead. He also hates seeing people die, he’s driven to the point of desperation during his time as a mercenary, reaching a peak when he’s unable to protect Layla’s father and the rest of his team from dying. During the finale, we see him choosing to preserve a life, even if it is Harrrow’s, rather than take it.

“do you think you created Steven Jake to hide from all the awful things you feel you’ve done in your life?”

Yes! Jake is the one who, when worst comes to worst and the only way out is to eliminate, to erradicate the danger, takes over and starts shooting. He is the shield between Marc and all the bodies he has had to leave behind, eventually shouldering the responsability to get blood on his hands and therefore sparing Marc and Steven from having to take a life.

But also, what other fear did Marc’s subconscious, in the form of Doctor Harrow, throw at him? What other part of his being was he refusing to face?

“or do you think Steven you created Marc Jake to punish the world for what your mother did to you?”

And here it is, the dark reality that Marc is hiding, probably the reason why he (together with Steven) he refuses to investigate who is the one fronting and killing their enemies during their blackouts. The reason why Jake is so vicious. The reason why, after the finale, Jake is still working with Khonshu.

Who is Khonshu? In the comics (and, according to Wikipedia, the real Khonsu) he’s the God of the Moon, with epipeths as "Embracer," "Pathfinder," and "Defender", he’s the god of those who travel at night, their protector. In the show, while his nature as god of the moon and night sky is more than proven, there is a huge emphasis of another of his aspects: that of vengeance, played as opposite of Ammit and her preventive condemn. Khonshu, through his Fist, punishes those that have done wrong (specifically against travellers of the night).

(Image description: Marc hesitates before striking the final blow on Harrow, meanwhile Khonsu says “the choice is vengeance”)

Jake is a traveller and a pathfinder through his job as a cab (limo now) driver, he is Marc and Steven’s Protector by taking the need to spill blood upon himself, but Jake is also the person who punishes the world for what your Marc’s mother did to you him” Jake is Marc’s Vengeance.

And that’s why he keeps working with Khonshu, that’s why, while both Marc and Steven have managed to grow past their roles and go on with their life, Jake is still keeping the deal with Khonshu. He hasn’t appeared on the show, he hasn’t experienced the same character development as the other two alters, he’s still stuck is his initial, bloody role as protector and avenger.

What Jake’s future might be

Taking all of this into account, I believe that in future works Jake is going to go through the same journey that both Steven and Marc have experienced this season. He is going to face the place where he comes from, how he perceives himself and his role, he’s going to grow into his individuality and needs. I personally think that one of the themes of this finale is going to be crucial, a theme that Layla, Marc, Steven and Khonshu fight for: choice. The hability to choose for yourself who you want to be, what you want to do, the hability to be your own master, freedom. I think that, taking into account that right now he is still under Khonshu’s comand, Jake’s right to chose for himself and his freedom are going to play a huge role in his character arc.

Obviously, at the beginning he is going to be an antagonistic figure, but I think that after reading this meta it can be said that Jake is not, by himself, a bad person. He just wants to protect Marc and Steven, to fight for them. He’s the one who is willing to get the work done when it’s too much even for Marc, he’s the one who retaliates after the evils inflicted on the other two alters and the travellers, their avengers. I think his arc would consist on learning to trust Marc and Steven and their strength, as well as losing the vicciousness and desensibilitation to violence that so many years of putting himself on the front line have made him grow used to. And I, for one, cannot wait to see him do it.

Anyways, thanks for reading! I hope you liked my theory/meta, if you have anything to add please do so! Moon Knight has really become one of my fav media (comics and show) and would love to hear your thoughts about it!

#Moon Knight #marc spector #steven grant #jake lockley #moon knight spoilers #moon knight meta #moon knight theory #khonshu #Jake has really become one of my blorbos uh #oscar isaac

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