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miraculouscriticismshub · 6 months

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MLB fandom Math be like ......

MLB fandom Maths is calling Adrienette toxic because they dislike Marinette's obsessive behaviour of Adrien and accuse her of stalking but ship Feligami despite how Felix also stalked Kagami and did worse than Marinette by kidnapping her.

MLB fandom Maths is hating on Kagami because she is getting in the way of Adrienette by having feelings for Adrien but is fine with Luka dating Marinette and supporting Luka at the same time.

MLB fandom Maths is saying Chloe doesn't deserve redemption because she never felt remorse or properly apologized for her actions but at the same time, forgive Felix and support his redemption arc despite him doing worse than Chloe and not uttering a single apology or properly repenting for his crimes.

MLB fandom Math is slandering Alya because they think she is a bad friend for believing Lila over Marinette as well as making a few ignorant decisions but go ahead and call Kagami a better friend despite her telling Felix LB's identity without her permission.

MLB fandom Math is attacking and cancelling small creators by accusing them of predator behaviour when they have made a slight mistake but are silent when a big content creator is openly showing predator behaviour.

MLB fandom Math is being quick to call out the toxic behaviour of some Chloe/Felix/Lila stans but staying quiet when some toxic Maribug/Adrichat or Adrienette stans also show signs of aggression, some even go as far as to support their behaviour (e.g what happened to that one Lila fan)

MLB fandom Math is celebrating the fact Chloe gets sent off to live with her abusive mother and is glad that she is written out of the show, justifying their opinion by saying she deserves to be abused by Audrey but if you say the same thing about Felix, they will go mad and call you an abuse apologist

MLB fandom math dislikes Sabrina's redemption because she only betrayed Chloe because she wasn't being benefitted by her friendship with Chloe and was being replaced but go ahead and support Nathalie's redemption when she ALSO betrayed Gabriel because she was also not being benefitted anymore by their partnership.

Disclaimer: These are just common double standards I've seen in the fandom so I thought is important to address this so please stay respectful when commenting :)

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western-magical-girl-confessions · 1 year

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“Dear Marinette Stans and Chloe/Lila Salters, just because someone ships Marinette with Chloe and/or Lila does not mean that they hate Marinette, and it does not mean they want Marinette to suffer/be abused/be tortured, it ESPECIALLY DOES NOT mean that they are abuse or bully apologists!

They ship them for three reasons:

1. They like the "enemies to lovers" trope

2. They like the idea of a Chloe or Lila redemption, and they like the idea of Marinette helping them redeem and being better people.

And 3. They like the idea of Chloe and/or Lila convincing Marinette to become evil with them.

There is nothing wrong with any of these reasons, and it's fine if you don't ship either ship; just stop assuming that Chlonette/Lilanette fans equal abuse supporters.”

#chlonette #chloenette #lilanette #chloe sugar #lila sugar #marinette dupain cheng #chloe bourgeois #lila rossi #ml #mlb #miraculous #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug confessions #western magical girl confessions #confession 2283

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muggle-born-princess · 11 months

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Dear Chloé Haters,

Now that "Revolution" has aired, I hope you're proud of yourselves.

I hope you're proud that she's gonna live with her abusive mother, I hope you're proud that she lost everything; including the two friends (Adrien and Sabrina) that she actually cared for and were willing to help her, I hope you're proud that no one, not even her own father or sister, loves her. I especially hope you're proud that you got your wish: That she's worse that Gabriel, Lila, Nathalie, and Félix, and that she's an irredeemable monster because your precious Marinette and your God Thomas Astruc said so; just so you can have your stupid ass Love Square ship (Which I'm starting to despise more and more thanks to how poorly written this show is and because of you guys.) and that she might be (Key word: might) written out for good because Thomas himself hates her for the most pathetic fucking reason ever.

If you can honestly look at this and go "Woohoo yes! It's about time that bitch got karma! She had it coming all these years!"

A. You don't know a damn thing about karma and how it works.

B. You also don't know what it's like to be abused and how abuse can affect someone, especially someone as young as Chloe was when her mom left her.

And C. You especially don't know what it's like to be change for the better, only to fail repeatedly because old habits are hard to change for the better.

Oh, and don't you dare fucking give me that "Well Mylène said her mom left her and she turned out fine" or "Well Gabriel was a shitty person as a teenager, and he only got worse" crap. I don't want to hear a goddamn thing about those shitty ass arguments. That just proves that you're biased and Thomas doesn't know a fuck ton about abused victims and how they cope differently.

I don't want to deal with you. Not now. Not ever.

Get off my page if you hate Chloe. Block me for all I care. Hell, call me a bully or racist apologist or hell, even a sociopath apologist for all I care.

I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck.

You got your wish, and now my wish is to not associate with any of you people.

Bye.

#also if you come at me on why this was a good episode I'm gonna either block your ass or delete your comment #chloe haters fuck off now #i don't wanna deal with your bullshit #STFU and get off my fucking page #miraculous ladybug #chloe bourgeois #andre bourgeois #audrey bourgeois #chloe deserves better #andre and audrey deserve worse #chloe sugar #andre salt #audrey salt #mlb s5 spoilers #mlb revolution #ml revolution #ml s5 salt

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immaturityofthomasastruc · 6 months

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I'm pretty sure that Marinette's speech to Adrien about Lila in "Revelation" was ripped straight from one of Thomas Astruc's Twitter threads about Chloé (the one where he compared her fans who wanted her to have a redemption arc to abuse apologists).

(The post this anon is referring to)

Honestly, I can see the similarities here.

#immaturity of thomas astruc #iota #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug salt #thomas astruc #thomas astruc salt #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #adrien agreste #cat noir #chat noir #chloe bourgeois #queen bee #queen b

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sendme-2hell · 1 year

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The Lost Girls of Camp Forevermore - Kim Fu

Summary: A group of young girls at sleepaway camp get stranded in the woods by themselves in Canada (sound familiar?). The narrative alternates between what happened in the woods, and a vignette from each girl in their adult life.

Yellowjackets connection: This book is so spiritually similar to Yellowjackets it’s wild. The way that we see what happened in the woods and flash forward to the adults and how it affected them. The way that it's partially about the viciousness that comes out when girls are left alone. The way that hierarchies break down in the woods. I find myself thinking about this book while watching Yellowjackets.

Is it queer?: only a very little with one character in her adult life

My Brilliant Friend - Elena Ferrante

Summary: Elena and Lila are two intelligent girls growing up in poverty in 1950’s Naples. They have an obsessive and competitive relationship. Elena is able to get an education when Lila is not, and their paths diverge here. The entire four-part book series follows their relationship and distinct lives into late adulthood.

Yellowjackets Connection: My Brilliant Friend is about a lot more than just female friendship, class differences foremost. But obsessive homoerotic female friendships and their complications are front and center. The Neapolitan series follows Elena and Lila as they grow into adults and have their own children, so it shows young women and the adults they grow into. Also has themes of trauma, unreliable narrators, patriarchy, jealousy, ambitious women.

If you follow my tumblr you know I will connect anything to MBF but Yellowjackets writers did it for me in the show. They literally said Shauna/Jackie = Elena/Lila. If you don’t remember, this is when adult Shauna has dinner with Jackie’s mom who says she’s reading MBF and that the girls in the book remind her so much of Shauna and Jackie. She meant it as an insult to Shauna but it really is a great comparison. Especially since Lila and Elena def had something vaguely fruity going on (but also for other, spoilery reasons). Elena Ferrante is pretty much the go-to when it comes to writing about complicated female friendships so it is not a surprise that they reference it in the show. If you are obsessed with the Shauna/Jackie “friendship” this book series is for you!

Is it queer? if you consider Jackie and Shauna’s relationship to be queer then yes. There is a lot of subtext and in the later books a little more than subtext.

Cat’s Eye - Margaret Atwood

Summary: A painter returns to where she grew up and memories that she blocked out of a traumatic childhood friendship resurface.

Yellowjackets connection: Women thinking about their traumatic friendships! And how these affected them going forward in life. The girls in this are a little younger than Yellowjackets girls but I think it is still a foundational text about traumatic female friendships and unreliable narrators. I am absolutely a Margaret Atwood apologist so don’t come for me (or do. I love messages in my inbox)

Is it queer?: no ):

Big Swiss - Jen Beagin

Summary: Greta is a transcriber for a sex therapist where she learns all sorts of intimate details of his clients. She becomes obsessed with a client and even starts a sexual relationship with her! She does not disclose her prior knowledge of this woman so things get messy.

Fun fact for Killing Eve fans: It is going to be made into a series starring Jodie Comer!

Yellowjackets connection: This is the only book on this list that doesn’t really flash between old and young versions of a character (a bit at the end). Yet I think it deserves to be on this list because messy queer women and obsession and mental illness. Also now that I am thinking about it actually the main character does think about her childhood in the woods a bit...

Is it queer?: The main relationship is between two women and they have a lot of sex. So, yes!

Trust Exercise - Susan Choi

Summary: Don’t want to spoil any of the big reveals but it’s vaguely about highschool theatre kids and their unhealthy dynamic with their abusive theatre teacher. Trigger warnings for statutory rape and general predatory behavior.

Yellowjackets connection: The reason I put this on my list is because it is about women in high school going through trauma and their adult selves dealing with it. It is about the stories they tell themselves to cope. It is about unreliable narrators. It is about narrative and truth and figuring out what actually happened. The book will not tell you directly, you have to discover it yourself (or read a review that explains it).

Is it queer? no ):

#yellowjackets #book reccomendatons #book recs #queer books #queer book recs #my lists #listen you know i love a good book rec list and this has just been sitting in my HEAD #close followers of my blog are SHOCKED I brought up elena ferrante.SHOCKED #I do truly believe all yellowjackets fans who like to read should read the lost girls of camp forevermore since it is SO similar #the lost girls of camp forevermore #my brilliant friend #cat's eye #trust exercise #big swiss

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plumsaffron · 7 months

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Felt Cute

Gonna become the most Gabusive Apologist & Lila's Ultimate Form.

Oh nvm. I am Lila Rossi's ultimate form. I transcended the two.

In the future, I'll be married to my Perfect Personal REAL Alliance

I'll have a little lamb a little a little lamb

I will have a little lamb and the hamster named...

#Miraculous Ladybug #Gabriel Agreste #Gabi Grassette #Lila Rossi #Lila #RIP Adrien Agreste #Anti Marinette #plumsaffron #Miraculous Tales Of Oppressor Bug and Caged Noir

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miracleandplagueau · 10 months

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Miracle and Plague ✦✦✦ MASTERPOST

A post with all the note-worthy posts about this Miraculous """AU""" - Miracle and Plague

Unlinked posts are things that are in the drafts and will be finished eventually lol

▲ CHARACTER REDESIGNS:

▲ Character line-up 1 ✦ +(re)design notes

Bulk 1 ✦ Jiayi, Adrien, Alya, Gabriel, Chloe, Nino, Sabrina

Solo post ✦ Master Fu Line-up ✦ Kwamis

▲ POWER SYSTEM:

Wonders ✦ Part 1 Wonder Extracts ✦ Part 1.5 (inbox answer) Wonders ✦ Part 2

Wonderbox redesign (+ very rough and slightly outdated introduction to Wonders) Purification vs Destruction (aka Chat Noir can catch akumas too)

▲ STORY BITS:

Why remove (Kagami,) Felix and Zoe? MnP!Chloe's Queen Bee reveal + MnP!Chloe's development plan No sentimonsters??? No sentimonsters.

How's the tour been going? ✦ Luka snippet It's complicated... ✦ Lila snippet Requested Audience ✦ Volpina & Chloe snippet Cutting roots ✦ Monarch (Butterfly Wonder) snippet

▲ SALTY RANTS:

Marinette Dupan-Cheing ✦ Kamado Tanjiro treatment Chloe's wasted character ✦ (from a Chloe apologist) Lila sucks, actually ✦ What I changed in MnP Lmao what a fucking idiot ✦ Gabriel is stupid post What the fuck is up with the countdown, actually [short] The most disappointing and half-assed finale I've seen ✦ S5 incoherent rant

▲ THE OTHER STUFF:

TBA/TBD list

Adrien is queer btw, deal with it WHAT ABOUT ADRIENETTE??? I NEED MY ADRIENETTE!!!

#au #miraculous au #miracle and plague #miraculous fanworks #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug au

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gryficowa · 6 months

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Continued

"She's a slut. That's why we love it. Hater. The more disgusting the better. Lila is also a queen"

Yes, you see right what he calls Chloe

"Well, it's been 2 years at the university. And you're still standing there"

Classic bragging about going to an animation school, classic

"fictional character. You treat fairy tale villains as people. They should put you in a psychiatric hospital"

The psychiatric hospital is under siege, normal

"bitch, slut, the devil personified. Traits of a well-written villain"

We're talking about a fourteen-year-old children's cartoon character

"She came to life to be the embodiment of abomination. Too ambitious for you"

"So go hate on Chloe somewhere else. She's the perfect bitch"

Yes, you see him calling Chloe and saying I hate her, sounds logical

"You can tag me. I'm sitting there too. We can laugh at the apologist and Chloe hater that you are"

I told you what he calls Chloe, now you can see it with your own eyes

#cartoon #cartoonist #thomas astruc #ml salt #ml fandom salt #ml writers salt #ml writing salt #ml writing critical #thomas astruc salt #chloe bourgeois

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iwasbored777 · 2 years

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Funny that Lila apologists who hate Marinette always say "if someone embarrassed me in front of my crush I too would try to ruin their live" without realizing Marinette is embarrassed in front of her crush and embarrassed in general by multiple people, especially Chloé, every day and there is always someone to laugh at her but she doesn't try to ruin their lives nor make everyone hate them and she literally gives zero f*cks about Lila now, but Lila is like Eminem who continued to dis Christina Aguilera on and on for revealing he is secretly married while she literally doesn't even think about that now nor trying to ruin his career because he keeps insulting her (literally calling her a wh*re) in songs years later. And the fact Adrien didn't even hate Lila after Ladybug revealing she lied that they were friends, literally everything was the same between Adrien and Lila at the time and every other person and Lila, but Lila couldn't let that go and desperately tried to make Ladybug look bad while Ladybug saved her life. So no, stop saying Lila's behaviour is valid and that she and Marinette are the same.

#miraculous ladybug #Ml fandom salt #Lila salt #lila rossi #marinette dupain cheng

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miraculouscriticismshub · 10 months

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Felix and Chloe - two sides of the same coin. SEASON 5 SPOILERS AHEAD

Introduction

As you may know , MLB is far from a decent show. Poor writing choices are common and most characters are inconsistent. But today I want to talk about two characters , Felix and Chloe . This might be a controversial take but I think Felix and Chloe are two sides to the same coin . Both are quite similar in character and personalities but whereas one character receives hate by the fanbase and is slandered by the writers , the other character is loved and gets rewarded for doing bad things. This post will talk about how MLB introduces unintentional misogyny despite the writers claiming they are feminists. This post will also go in depth to analyze how hypocritical the fanbase is. This is not a Chloe defense post or a Felix hate post. This is a post criticizing the writers and addressing the double standards.

Felix and Chloe - similarities

Credits to @drawing2cope on tumblr. Link - https://drawing2cope.tumblr.com/

Despite what most fans may think - these characters have so much in common. First Chloe and Felix were both Adrien’s only childhood friends growing up. Second, both had a cuddly toy. Third , both had one abusive parent , for Chloe it was Audrey and for Felix it was Colt. Fourth , both had one enabling parent , for Chloe it was Andre and for Felix it was Amelie. ( Side note : the difference between Andre and Amelie is that at least Amelie loves her son and only enables him because she wants to show that she cares for him ) Fifth , both were part of the hero team. Sixth , both betrayed the hero team by siding with HM. The key difference is while Chloe failed , Felix succeeded. Both are bad as each other because while Felix seemed to have better motives, he had more control over the situation while Chloe was being manipulated and used. Felix and Chloe are both essentially two sides to the same coin - both did bad things for different reasons and both had similar relationships with Adrien .

Why Felix receiving a redemption felt wrong .

Hot take - Felix character was ruined in Season 5 (and before you delusional Felix fanboys start typing nonsense and sending death threats , read the rest of the paragraph before judging.) What makes Felix’s character compelling is that he is an anti-hero. He is morally gray and only works for himself. He is on neither Gabe’s or Ladybugs' side. His “ redemption arc” in season 5 came out of nowhere and was badly done. Felix does have potential for a redemption and I am not against it but it would’ve been much better written if his character wasn’t rushed and he was redeemed in later seasons - when he will be an established character. His redemption in season 5 felt poorly written because of how he never proved himself or apologized to Ladybug or faced consequences for his actions. His crimes ranged from SA , assisted terrorism and attempted genocide but only faced consequences for the third crime. Him getting away with his crimes is not a terrible idea if he was portrayed as a villain but since the writers are portraying him to be a hero at the end of S5 , this concept is pretty much ruined. Hopefully , in S6 he turns against the hero team and works with Lila. If you want to read more about my opinions on this Character - please read the post My Thoughts on Felix - anti hero gone wrong on my tumblr.

Double standards of the writers and fanbase

Miraculous ladybug despite being a show that promotes feminism has undertones of misogyny. Felix and Chloe have both done atrocious things - I argue Felix has done worse - but while one person seemingly faces consequences for their actions and is hated by the writers and fanbase , the other character is presented as a tragic hero who doesn’t face punishment and is loved by everyone. Just to make it clear , I am NOT an abuse apologist or a toxic Chloe stan but I can’t just ignore the blatant hypocrisy from the producers.

The writers - more specifically Thomas - says on his twitter Chloe will never change because her actions are deemed too unforgivable and i quote “ Once a bully always a bully” . He also pretty much confirms Chloe will never be Queen bee saying “ Mean people don’t and will never deserve a miraculous”. This rule doesn’t apply to Felix, he is essentially a tragic character who is 100% innocent and deserves forgiveness and ownership of his miraculous despite being a nasty person. I am not denying he isn’t a tragic character - his abuse under Colt explains his motives which made him a compelling anti - hero but doesn’t excuse them. He is also a child too but compared to Chloe - a more malevolent one. The worst thing Chloe did was paralyze the train driver in Queen Wasp to cause a dangerous situation in which she saves everyone in order to get praise. She had selfish reasons but never had the intention of killing anyone. However the worst thing Felix did was mass genocide in Emotion with the malicious intention on murdering all humans. Both are horrible but it's obvious who is worse.

Sure he had better motives of freeing his cousin and Kagami while Chloe only thought of herself but he never apologized to Ladybug or proved himself as a good person to her for what he did. When Chloe nearly killed those people , Ladybug tried taking her Miraculous and it was only after she got deakumitized that she apologized to her and gave her miraculous back. Felix by the end of season 5 got to keep his Miraculous despite not saying sorry to Ladybug or proving himself .She faced the consequence of losing her Miraculous while Felix got to keep his. He has been awful committing crimes such as SA , assisted terrorism , genocide , stalking and kidnapping but seemingly doesn’t face punishment for most of his actions. Chloe crimes although still horrid are much less heinous than Felix's. A terrorist and extremist earns sympathy from the writers but a spoiled bully is painted to be the devil and is the only character to face consequences.

The Double standards the writers have for Chloe are too hard to ignore. Thomas himself mocks a fan who confronts him about the Hypocrisy saying he misinterpreted the show. If Thomas wasn't a hypocrite , he would've answered the question properly instead of ignoring it and mocking the fan . Chloe is no angel too , she bullied Marinette relentlessly, gave her trauma , took over Paris in miracle queen and Revolution, mistreated her friend Sabrina and nearly killed all those people in Paris in Queen Wasp but at least she is held accountable and experienced Karma. Her bullying Marientte causes Adrien to stop being friends with her and her teaming up with HM in Revolution causes Andre to disown her and send her to live with her abusive mother. Felix easily gave Marinette more trauma by exchanging all the miraculous to Monarch and is partly to blame for how Monarch won but Marinette seemingly forgives him and he joins the team. He even gets rewarded with a girlfriend and possession of his miraculous and still doesn't get his Karma. It's so clear the writers favour Felix while Chloe receives the short end of the stick.

The fanbase is not much better , they slander Chloe, glad she is gone from Paris and sent to live with Audrey because they think she is irredeemable but sympathize with Felix and cheer on when he joins the team. When Chloe does something evil , the fandom label her as Satan and only wishes the worst for her but when Felix also acts in a similar way , the fanbase feel sorry for him and defend him saying he does everything he does to ensure his freedom . The fans say the neglect Chloe received from her mum does not excuse her actions but defend Felix's actions by saying " Colt abused him, He isolated and controlled Felix , Felix is blameless and everything is Colt's fault" . While I agree Colt is horrible , he never told Felix to SA Ladybug or to steal the Miraculous or kidnap Kagami. Why does " past trauma doesn't excuse actions" only apply to Chloe not Felix? The writers think this too sadly by how they demonize Chloe telling the fans parental mistreatment doesn't justify bullying, even having Mylene say in the Derision Flashback

" My mother abandoned me but you don't see me bullying Marinette"

But try justifying Felix's actions with his abusive childhood with the play he acted out in Representation.

The hypocrisy of the writers are painted as misogyny even if it is not intentional because Chloe is female and is robbed of a redemption while Felix a male is deemed tragic and is given a second chance. Ultimately , both Characters are horrible people but one is portrayed by the narrative as a hero while the other is an irredeemable , oppressive monster who needs to go down

To conclude , Felix and Chloe are two sides of the same coin. Both are terrible people that deserved punishment . While I’d prefer Chloe getting redemption , I understand that at the end of the day not all people change. However Felix's character is poorly done in Season 5 and is redeemed out of nowhere. What annoys me the most is how Hypocritical the fanbase and writers are that Chloe is hated for being a brat and is not redeemed because she doesn’t show remorse while Felix is adored by the fanbase and is given a redemption despite not apologizing to Ladybug or facing any consequences. Again ,this is not a Chloe defense post or a Felix hate post, just me sharing my view on this. I'm surprised the fandom isn't addressing the similarities between these two characters . I cross my fingers that Felix either turns on the team and becomes the villain again or is held accountable in S6 and Chloe at least receives closure and becomes a better person in future seasons. But these are just my opinions. I’m not saying you are not allowed to like Felix or dislike Chloe. Feel free to disagree : ) . Don’t hate the characters , hate the writing .Please stay respectful.

#miraculous ladybug #mlb salt #mlb #felix fathom #chloe bourgeois #mlb writers salt #hypocrisy #double standards #felix is a victim of bad writing #both chloe and felix are bad #chloe deserves better #so does felix #thomas astruc #astruc salt #ml critique #mlb s5 spoilers #mlb season 5

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