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ultfreakme · 1 year

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The first time Jon meets Otho & Osul is going to be horrible for him I think. He’s happy these kids would get a home and be part of his family because Jon’s a good person. But these kids are exactly his age, Clark’s saying and doing things with these two that he used to do for Jon, what Jon expected from him.

Clark’s 100% projecting his issues with letting Jon down on Otho, & more specifically Osul(AC #1048 & 1049).

Jon would know this. Clois literally set the two kids up in JON’S ROOM.

So here we have Jon, who for the past year has been trying to be normal, bury it all in, trying to live up to Superman & his dad’s expectations of him. We also know Jon may love Clark a lot but he also doesn’t trust him the way he used to, maybe even resents him a little(Pa Kent’s words, not mine). This is before the Otho & Osul meeting reveal, it’s going to only get worse after he sees that Clark’s giving these kids his room, the kind of toys he used to play with, etc.

My end goal hope is that Jon, Osul & Otho do develop a very strong sibling bond, but it’s going to come after a lot of struggles for Jon. Lois & Clark think he can handle himself, but Jon’s still their kid, he still needs support and he jumps at the chance for that(immediately taking up Dick’s offer of mentoring, going to experienced heroes for help like with Jace, trying to build and work in teams, even his relationship with Jay is them supporting each other). Clark will stand by him sure, but he also needs to parent him, that part’s not dead and gone yet (and it won’t go ever).

I really, really hope that this aspect of Jon’s conflicts is brought up and explored, I have hope for this because PKJ did mention that it’s going to create drama and the focus of 2023 is ‘Super-family’.

#jon kent #superman #superboy #action comics #otho-ra #osul-ra #super-family #jonathan kent #clark kent #jonathan samuel kent #superman son of kal el #SOKE #adventures of superman: jon kent #dc comics #dcu #jon kent meta #super sons #superfam

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cogentranting · 2 years

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Because I’ve seen some frustrations about the way Lois and Clark are written in regards to Jonathan (with some calling it bad writing, which I disagree with), here’s my thoughts on why Lois and Clark who are generally good parents are dropping the ball so hard when it comes to listening to and supporting Jon.

First of all they’re in a weird situation where they think that they are doing that. They’re putting in an effort, they’re sitting down and talking with Jon and those conversations keep going wrong. You can see them end with Lois and Clark coming away from the conversation either thinking “we’re listening but Jon’s not talking” or “we listened and supported and that went well” while Jon walks away from the conversation even more frustrated that they’re not hearing him.

I think part of it is that they're used to Jon being the "easy kid" (I saw someone say this earlier and I agree). Jon has always been fine, he's always handled everything and been positive and upbeat and had a good relationship with them. And Jordan was the one who struggled more. And so they see that something is wrong, and Jon tells them something is wrong, but they're still in the mode of thinking that Jon is generally fine, so they view them as easy solutions. I think that's part of what's going on with the barn conversation from this last episode. Clark's response to Jon basically amounted to "everything will be okay". Which is the kind of vague encouragement suited to someone having a bad day, not the kind of ongoing struggle Jon is having. Because that's what they're used to dealing with, with Jon. And that also colored the way they reacted to the drugs. Because in their minds Jon is fine, so if he's fine, it's really hard to understand why he would do this and they're really frustrated with him. And even when he tells them what he's feeling they're not comprehending the extent to which he's feeling those things. They're putting a bandaid on the problem, not realizing how deep the wound is. And every time they do this it makes the problem worse because they're reinforcing in their own minds "we did it. we addressed the problem, listened to Jon, supported him" and so when he comes back at them with "you're not listening to me" they don't see where he's coming from and both sides get more frustrated.

And the other side of it is they're just busy. And stressed. And taken on an individual basis it makes sense why Jon's problems would seem to them to not be top priority. When your list of problems includes: evil brother trying to take over the world, sister joined an evil cult, bizarro self trying to kill you, cult leader trying to take over the world, or even things like Jordan not knowing how to control his powers, or outing the family to his ex-girlfriend; you can see how Jon saying things like "I might not be able to play football again" seems like a lower priority. Not that they don't care, just that that becomes the thing that can be either talked about quickly or put on hold while Jordan about to accidentally shoot someone with heat vision or Ally draining someone's life force has to be dealt with right now. But they keep not coming back to Jon's problems ever. And each time they do that the wound carves a little deeper and the problem gets bigger and bigger without them realizing.

It’s also easy to forget how much clearer things are from a viewer perspective than a character perspective. Lois and Clark should see more of the imbalance in their treatment of Jon and Jordan. But part of the reason it’s wearing so heavily on Jon, is a bunch of stuff they don’t see. Jon’s hand some girlfriend relationship drama since the beginning of the show that they haven’t really been privy to (Jordan talks a lot more about his relationships with them than Jon does.). They don’t really know what was going on with Timmy on the football team taking the XK and showing Jon up and stealing his playing time. They didn’t see Sam’s awful training session with the boys. And they know some stuff about people blaming Jon for football getting cancelled, but they maybe don’t know the extent. So Lois and Clark only have a partial picture of what’s going on with Jonathan. On top of that, there’s a bias that comes with your own thoughts and intentions being perfectly clear to you, so they should be to others too, right? I don’t think Lois and Clark actually prefer one son to the other. They love them both the same. And they know that. To them, that’s perfectly obvious. So they assume that’s what their actions communicate, even if it’s not.

Another layer to the situation, this one specific to Clark, is that right now Jordan’s struggles are ones that Clark understands well. Jordan has powers he doesn’t know what to do with, he’s trying to figure out how to use them, he wants to tell the girl he likes. These are all things Clark has been through. He relates to that. But Jon’s struggle--I’m not as special as the people around me, people hate me, I don’t know what my purpose is, I can’t protect myself and I’m scared--those haven’t really been Clark’s experiences (except for maybe the second one at some point). So when both sons are going through these things as he spends time with them, he fumbled with Jonathan not because he didn’t want to answer but because he didn’t have an answer, but then Jordan comes with a problem that he does have an answer to, and he jumps at the chance because this is something he can handle. And he narrows in on that problem... and overlooks Jonathan without meaning to, just because of his enthusiasm for what’s going on with Jordan.

The flipside to the first point, is that Jon is used to being the “easy kid”. Jon is generally more even-tempered and positive of the twins as just part of who he is (I’ve said before his temperament is more like Clark’s and Jordan’s is more like Lois’s and I stand by that). But he also has it sort of trained into him that that’s how he should be. So when he is struggling and emotional, he’s much more likely to bury it than Jordan is. Jordan is very vocal about what he’s feeling most of the time. Jon has his moments where he gets angry and snaps, but is quick to try to smooth it over and pretend he’s fine afterwards. And he pretends well enough that his family buys it. So even though Jon is trying to tell his parents what he’s going through, he ends up sending some mixed messages that have helped his parents misread the situation and make his struggles out to be less major than they are.

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suzukiblu · 1 month

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Five headcanons for Plot Bunny: based on “mistaken identities and interdimensional refugees”.

Kon lived with his Jonathan and Martha Kent for about two or three years before letting his personal issues about potentially BEING an issue convince him to run off and get his own place. He was "nineteen”, he figured; that was already a year longer than he should’ve stayed on the farm anyway, even helping out with the chores and whatever. Normal people all leave home at eighteen, right? And it wasn’t ever really HIS home, anyway. ( no, Kon. no they do not. AND EVEN IF THEY DID, YOU’RE ONLY ARGUABLY “NINETEEN” ANYWAY. )

Kon and Tim have been officially/publicly dating for maybe six months, give or take, and “Conner Kent” is not exactly popular in Gotham because a) not from money and b) not from GOTHAM, and also c) what is he even doing with his life, anyway?? Kon isn’t exactly embarrassed about this, but IS slightly self-conscious about it. He’s still not good at trying to make himself seem smaller and more “normal” than he actually is, and not particularly comfortable trying to pass for a normal civilian. He swings between over-correcting and not correcting enough, and it makes him come off as kind of inconstant and weird to people not in the know.

Aid worker Rita is kinda into this whole “meeting hot young alternate of Bruce Wayne” thing, this thing is kinda novel. Like, she knows it’s a crisis situation but she really appreciates him being a chill and supportive dude and being very helpful, actually! All the aid workers were pretty appreciate of "Baby Bruce’s" helpfulness, in fact, and mildly surprised in a couple of cases.

Jon is from a reality where Earth-3 hasn’t happened to him, and is therefore still chronologically in step with his home reality and family. He’s still fairly new to Superboy-ing, but he’s at least met and worked with Damian and gotten slightly-antagonistically attached to him. Idk, “Annoyances To Friends” trope?? He actually doesn’t have a ton of friends in general, he gets along with a lot of people but self-isolates from getting too close to anyone. Is that because he sees his dad behaving certain ways and taking too much on himself and his mom insisting on not needing help and taking too much on HERself and just assumes that’s what he has to be like too? Who knows! ( me. I know. )

Kon actually has very complicated feelings about his version of Jon, and he’s currently desperately attempting to repress them because it is NOT the time. Like, at all. It is NOT. He needs to take care of this kid and do right by him and not be WEIRD about anything like how his Jon got everything he ever wanted while he was out of the reality, while everyone had FORGOTTEN him, and–that’s fine! That’s something he’s totally normal about, and always has been and always will be, and it DOES NOT MATTER! Like at all! Especially not anything he wanted from . . . CLARK, instead of just . . . Superman. Or . . . anything like that. BUT IT’S ALL FINE AND OKAY AND HE DOESN’T NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT EVER AGAIN, THANKS.

#timkon #kon el #conner kent #jon kent #superboy #superfamily #meta ecetera #plot bunny #wip: mistaken identities and interdimensional refugees

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cer-rata · 2 months

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Jon: Hey, I haven't seen Maya in a bit, what's up with that?

Damian: Uh...she's...been busy...

Jon: Oh okay. What about Goliath? Where's he?

Damian, starting to sweat: ...With Maya...

Jon: And that Suren guy you said I was going to meet? We still gonna do that?

Damian, nose bleeding: I...I don't...

Jon, getting suspicious: Alfred said you were friends with a kid named Colin right? He still around? Why don't I ever get to meet any of your friends?

Damian, starting to shake: Jon...you...you...have to stop asking these questions...they're going to...they're going to make me do it...

Jon: What? Do what? Hey, what you got there? Is that a cannon? Why does it have 'narrative butcher' written in crayon on the side? Why are you pointing it at--

Damian, tears in his eyes: It's...it's going to be okay Jon. I'm not allowed to have consistent relationships. But at least you're marketable, you won't go away completely...but I'm going to have to derail your arc.

Jon, backing away slowly: Damian, what are you--Ow! Augh! My character development! What's happening to me?! What's this about a volcano--

Damian, openly weeping: Goodnight, sweet prince.

#incorrect quotes #shitpost #damian wayne #jon kent #maya ducard #suren darga #colin wilkes #i'm sorry i just #it was funny at 5am #meta

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pluckyredhead · 3 months

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Did I just read your Super Sons primer from 2020 at 3 am on a Monday morning because I'm having a real normal one? Maybe?! I'm wondering how you feel about how they and their relationship has developed since then. IMO it's... Pretty bleak. 😩

I HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT IT. (Also here's the primer for anyone who missed it.)

So I will say that 95% of everything Jon has been in since he got aged up has been hot garbage, but I do think the exception is when Damian is around. But let's take it from the top!

First of all, I don't necessarily think they should de-age him again. Generally speaking I think it's better storytelling to focus on fixing things moving forward, rather than undoing things moving back. Sure, if DC came up with some big cosmic event that reset Jon to 11, I certainly wouldn't complain, but I'd rather see them, uh...do literally anything with Teen Jon that doesn't suck.

But yeah, aging Jon up to begin with still makes me livid because:

I want my baby to have had a childhood.

It's fully character assassination for Lois and Clark. They would NEVER let their 11-year-old go to outer space with a supervillain. Lois would NEVER just abandon him out there, and Clark would NEVER respond with "Well, I'm sure he's fine, wanna have marathon sex?" I honestly have no idea what Bendis or his editor were thinking.

They have not done a single interesting with him since!!!

Putting this behind a cut because it got LONG. Also spoilers for Beast World in there.

I've said this before, but I have to assume that Bendis wanted to age Jon up because he wanted to write a Legion book. But he also in his wisdom decided to bring Kon back into continuity at exactly the same time, which means we have two nearly identical Superboys that DC didn't and still doesn't know what to do with. Kon clearly couldn't have joined the LOSH because he already had a team, but you know what Super teen was available, and not 11, and who has a history with the Legion that goes back almost as long as Clark's? KARA. But I will save that rant for another day.

And honestly, Kara dodged a bullet, because that Legion book was unreadable. Bendis at his most Bendis-y wall of text interrupt-y conversations and no plot. If I give Tom Taylor any credit it's that the second he got his hands on Jon, he torpedoed Jon/Imra as a ship. GOOD.

And when the LOSH book finally went out with a whimper (that JLA/LOSH miniseries! what was that!!!), we entered the Taylor Era. Taylor's quirks are less stylistic and more narrative than Bendis's. You can spot Bendisian dialogue at twenty paces, but a Taylor comic tips its hand when it sets up a really interesting premise or a really high stakes threat and then immediately undercuts it with a little wet fart noise of nothing. To wit:

Jon's starting college! This will be an interesting challenge for him to readjust to normal life after six years in a torture-volcano and an indeterminate amount of time in the future, and also considering he never graduated from sixth grade. I wonder what will - oh no he dropped out after three pages. (He has done NOTHING in his civilian identity since, btw. I guess he's too busy hovering just behind Dick at all times to work on his GED or whatever.)

Jon is going to confront Ultraman! Finally the comics will have to engage with all the trauma he must have - oh no Ultraman's dead.

Jon is trapped in the Injustice Universe! This is a really dangerous universe that might make him question everything he knows about - oh he just lectured everyone and flounced off home.

Beast World is a perfect example. Taylor seems to think that having a hero effortlessly solve a problem makes them look badass, but it's actually the effort that makes them look badass. So like, we spent five months keeping the Kryptonians and other A-class heroes away from the spores because the spores are attracted to power and if a Super got spore'd everyone would be in big trouble...but then in the last issue, they just have Jon fly up to everyone with a spore in them, wait for the spore to jump at him, and catch it? That doesn't make the Titans look smart or Jon look tough. It makes all of them look like idiots because it it was that easy, why didn't they do that in the first place?

On top of that, Taylor doesn't ever really earn relationships. Jon and Jay is the obvious one. Jay has no personality. There's no chemistry between the two characters. Jon might as well be dating a cardboard cutout labeled "Proof of Queerness." (Or "Bernard." Ahem.) But we're supposed to be like, yes, give Tom Taylor a GLAAD award for using queer characters as props, when he's going to turn around and kiss Chuck Dixon's ass on social for being homophobic about Jon? UGH.

Honestly worse for me though is the Jon and Dick relationship. Because Taylor is writing both characters, we're supposed to believe that there's this close mentor-mentee bond there? I don't think they EVER interacted before the Taylor era. (And don't even look at me with that retconned-in scene of Dick finding lost baby Jon. You're telling me that Superman, with his X-ray and telescopic vision, needs to call Bruce and Dick for help finding his own son? Fuck off.)

Anyway it all combines to make basically every Jon appearance for the past three years profoundly unsatisfying. Even the stuff that isn't by Taylor never goes anywhere. Remember when he was jealous of the Super Twins for two panels? And then everyone forgot about it forever? SIGH.

HOWEVER.

However.

If there is one thing that Bendis and Taylor and every other writer got right, it's that Jon is crazy bonkers in love with Damian always and forever. Jon has been written like shit since 2019, but he has also not wavered in his devotion for even one single solitary second.

THE EVIDENCE:

This is the first thing Jon does when he gets back to Earth:

He then tells Damian he's contemplating not joining the Legion because he'll have to leave Damian behind. Damian tells him to go and then come get him if it's cool.

Turns out the Legion is cool. Jon comes and gets Damian. The Legion isn't happy about it and Jon threatens to leave if Damian can't stay, while gazing adoringly at Damian's unconscious body cradled in his arms:

Eventually LOSH is canceled and Jon comes home and starts following Damian around by listening for his heartbeat. LIKE PALS DO!

Then Damian gives him a pep talk!

Then there's this ABSOLUTE CUDDLE:

The way Damian nuzzles into Jon's shoulder! Can you even stand it!

And then there's this:

The climax of Son of Kal-El, btw, is one of the several times Jon is saved by Damian and confides in Damian and turns to Damian for comfort or advice...and Jay is just sort of standing there off to the side. I am fully aware I have ship goggles on but the degree of emotional investment Jon has in these relationships is not the same.

Then they had a special issue teamup:

Then we got Dark Crisis, and I actually love this interaction between them, because they are very different people with very different upbringings and this feels extremely in character to me for how they would both handle the loss of their fathers:

But even when they disagree, they still instantly support each other. Jon comes back with information? Damian makes a plan:

Also, we got the 2022 Pride issue where Jon, Jay, and Damian go to Pride together. I know that story is...contentious...but leave me here with Damian sulking while Jon and Jay kiss, okay?

Then we get Adventures of Superman, which is objectively awful, but Jon does spend his whole time in the Injustice universe thinking about Damian like the seagulls in Finding Nemo saying "Mine? Mine? Mine?"

This whole arc is truly hilarious. Jon finds out that Damian accidentally killed Dick and his response is to a) go find Batman and yell at him for not supporting Damian enough for accidentally killing Dick, and then b) go find Damian to be like "Wow, that must have been really hard for you (accidentally killing Dick)." There's being ride or die for your BFF, and then there's whatever the fuck Jon has going on.

(Meanwhile there's an incredibly uncomfortable scene with him and Injustice Jay where Jay "tests" him by trying to get Jon to cheat on regular Jay. So. That happens.)

And then just this past month we got Nightwing #110, where we learn that Jon is still listening to Damian's heart:

He completely freaks out watching Damian in danger, and immediately intervenes when it looks like Damian is about to kill someone because he knows what matters the most to Damian. Also, this happens:

YOU WIN THIS ONE, TAYLOR.

AND THEN THEY BICKER I LOVE IT WHEN THEY BICKER:

AND THEN DAMIAN LETS HIMSELF BE VULNERABLE BY ASKING JON IF HE HURT ANYONE WHILE HE WAS A KITTY, AND JON GIVES YET ANOTHER SPEECH ABOUT HOW DAMIAN HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG EVER, IN HIS LIFE, AND DAMIAN STAGGERS OFF, LEANING ON JON.

This isn't even getting into the Trinity backup stories in Wonder Woman, which, like...Tom King is not valid but Jon and Damian are such an old married couple in them? It's truly incredible?

It took me like 45 minutes to parse Jon's line here as the general 'you" and not specifically Jon saying Damian wasn't straight. But like..."That's for straight people, which has nothing to do with us" is a hell of a thing to say, Jonathan.

I ALSO haven't even talked about DCeased because it's a different universe, but! Jon sitting with Damian while he dies??? MY HEART.

IN CONCLUSION:

Yes, they should never have aged up Jon.

Yes, most of his appearances since have been terrible and bland.

But OH BOY, do he and Damian remain in love.

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fae-morrigan · 1 month

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Okay, I wasn't going to say anything about it, but y'all are just being ridiculous now, so I have to say it.

A common criticism of Jay Nakamura is the idea that he only got romantically involved with Jon to get Jon to help him with what he was doing. And this is meant to be like, an indictment of Jay, that he somehow manipulated Jon into helping him out and that's bad, but like... lets pretend that's true for a second, okay?

The explicit text of Son of Kal El is that Jay is a displaced indigenous refugee who is trying to liberate his country and his people from a western-sponsored dictator (and the literal slavery he has imposed upon them).

So according to this take, Jay had to romantically manipulate Jon into... helping him take a stand against colonialism. He had to trick Superman into helping him do something i hope we all agree is objectively correct. Specifically by bribing him with romantic affection.

I just wanna know: In what universe is that an indictment of Jay and not Jon?

Like, that's a world where Jon had to get something out of the arrangement to consider doing the objectively right thing. That's fucked up! Extremely fucked up! And I would never villify Jay, who again I remind you escaped actual enslavement, for needing to do that to get help for himself and his people! Why would you?

#meta #dc meta #jon kent #jay nakamura #Me personally I think if a man of color has to 'manipulate' a white man into standing against racism & colonialism #by pretending to like him and kiss his ass and take care of him #that could never be anything but a scathing indictment of the white man whos inaction without personal benefit is the real problem #When you try and cast Jay as the villain in the context of SOKE you tell me you think his goals are unreasonable #WHICH IS A FUCKING TAKE FOR SURE.#and I am very glad it is Objectively not what the text says #The text tells us Jon was totally willing to help Jay before their relationship began #and that the romance comes as a result of them getting to know each other as people #hence why we see Jon looking at Jay differently starting in issue 3 after Jay embarasses himself in front of Lois

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guiltyofbitchcraft · 7 months

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Honestly now that I've finally finished Jeremy Adams' Flash run (which was fantastic) I'm now even more mad about all the Tom King Wonder Woman stuff because Adams literally created a perfect setup for what Tom King actually wants to write which is very clearly not a Wonder Woman comic. DC should've just let him write a superkids comic and do babysitting shenanigans with the super sons that Irey and Jai ran into from the other world!! Just say that world also has toddler Lyta running around and boom! King gets exactly what he wants to actually do, we get Lyta back in comics along with seeing young Jon again and DC gives the Wonder Woman title to someone (please not a man) who actually cares about Diana and her lore. But I guess that would make too much sense

#anti tom king #wonder woman #irey west #jai west #jon kent #damian wayne #super sons #lyta trevor #comics meta

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emin-folly · 11 months

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Saw your Batman sneaking up on Superman comic and 1) completely agree and 2) had to ask— what do you think Jon’s deal is then? 😂 Or is Damian genuinely better than his dad at sneaking around?

Hi!! Good question, I'm glad you brought this up~! First, thank you! I just feel like that should already be canon lol As for Jon, let me start by explaining my thoughts on the ways you could sneak up on a Kryptonian successfully and there are 1) Magic/magic-infused suits/sound barrier (I mean, do I really need to explain? lol) or 2) They would have to be concentrating really, REALLY hard on something to make them not notice any outside activity. Course, there's option 3 where they literally know you're there and they're letting you sneak up on them which, depending on the situation, you should gtfo ASAP Some people have brought up interesting points about other natural sounds, etc being mixed in there as well and so, theoretically, one could just use those to mask their presence. Which is definitely plausible but I still think they'd already know you're there, you know? Because it's not just the sounds but the smells too. Idk, I feel like it'd be pretty hard if not near impossible to be completely invisible to them ahah Okay, MOVING ON TO JON Jon's case is interesting cause not only is he half-Kryptonian, he's also half-human, which is most definitely working against him. I think all of what I said above does still apply to Jon, even though his super-sense are weaker, they're still pretty effective. Having said that, I could also see him tending to...space out more? Like, unlike Clark who's mind most of time is hyper-focused, I kinda hc that Jon has the more human tendency to just zone out, to be more easily distracted. He's also just a kid too, so there's that as well. As for Damian, I can see him being better at being stealthy than Bruce (cause he smol lol) but I think he pretty much falls into the same category. He's good, but Jon would also have to really preoccupied with other things~ TL;DR: Jon is technically a lot more easily to sneak up on but you'd still have to get lucky lol

#Thank you so much for the ask!! <3 #This was a lot of fun! I love sharing my dumb thoughts on stuff <3 #It always blows me away when people are interested in what I have to say?? Wild lol #Anyway these are just my opinions please feel free to agree or disagree with them! I'm always open to discussion~#Ig Jon was just so obessed with the thought of not wanting oat milk he didn't even register Damian lol #dc #dc comics #superfam #jon kent #damian wayne #batfam #kryptonian #dc headcanon #dc meta #?? I guess lol #superman #asks

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givemewallywestorgivemedeath · 1 year

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Figuring out Adams' new team because it's killing me and I make charts to cope:

Confirmed: Irey West, Jai West, Maxine Baker

Strongly hinted at: Cerdian of Shayeris, Robert Long

Very likely: Lian Harper, Mar'i Grayson, Kathy Branden

Potentially one of: Maps Mizoguchi, Mara al Ghul, Maya Ducard, Tiffany Fox, Sin Lance

Potentially one of (but unlikely): Tai Pham, Keli Quintela, Milagro Reyes

Potentially (but unlikely): Otho-Ra & Osul-Ra OR Chris Kent

Unlikely: Colin Wilkes, Johnny Tyler, Helen Jordan, Rani Carter

(Reminder: the # of kids will likely be 6-8)

#additional reminder: Adams isn't allowed to use Damian or Jon #okay final thoughts #blue for meta orange for alien green for gl and red for no powers #top two are set #third row are all extremely strong contenders #i think ONE of the red line picks could be in it as well. especially if he isn't allowed to use Lian #the bottom three lines? i would be shocked #Keli or Tai i could see. but people famously didn't like Keli and using Tai when he's under the creative control of another writer is...#it might not fly. and milagro isn't actually a gl. thats fanon #so that whole line just. is extremely unlikely.#the kent twins are in the superfam book and idk that theyd share creative control tbh #and adding chris kent back into canon after Clark adopted two other kids and the superfam is doing a whole series?#can't see editorial being okay with that #colins powers aren't really team oriented. johnny would be the third speedster on the team. helen doesn't have powers or training #and Rani... well actually idk. Gold Beetle would probably be related to Rani but... nah GB is endgame for Jai #they wouldn't put Rani and GB into Jai's storyline #imo? max 8 kids. there are already five.#so you can mix and match three other kids.#(keeping in mind that you will probably need at least one red)#tbh Sin is a very strong contender if he can't use Lian because he personally likes Sin a lot.#if Mar'i can't be used then Maps or Tiffany cause the bat rep #Kathy is just a strong contender all around. powers? check. right age? check. suit? check. experience? check. blank slate writing wise? yep #plus Adams knows about her which is half the battle #Maya would go with Kathy though. they are a package deal #oof #this is my last time posting about this i swear.... for today #going a little insane over the possibilities because this is kinda everything ive ever wanted/dreamed about #and having this actually happen would be insane #dc #dc comics

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devine-fem · 3 months

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why don't you like jayjon? Genuinely asking btw and I'm neutral btw I don't really ship superheroes kids, so yeah

Alright, firstly I have always come across damijon shippers that ship them as kids because their purest connection peaked when they were young so you kind of permanently keep Jon and Damian as kid in your head because of what DC did to them.

We ship them in a ‘wholesome crush on your best friend, twisting inside you over time that you snub out till you reach your adulthood and have the maturity to deal with it’ type of way. The beauty of Damijon is not the fact that it’s Bat x Super. I honestly don’t care for this dynamic ergo not shipping superbat and not liking Timkon at all. The beauty of Damijon is that they could become something with a friendship to back it up, then continue to push each other’s characters forward while being in a relationship if the writer cared enough. It’s a plus that they care for each other so much and have the personalities to really balance each other out.

I enjoy ships like Daminika, Dami x Colin and other Jon ships as well. I just only post damijon and talk about them. It’s only Jonj*y I have issues with. It’s not about ‘getting in the way of my ship’ nothing can ever get in the way of me enjoying damijon and fandom is just gonna have to deal with that. We all come here for enjoyment because we should supposedly enjoy DC for DC and find community in that, enjoy our ideas and takes on it and one person is not going to perceive or enjoy something the same way but we are so damn MEAN to each other. Damijon gets a lot of heat, mostly because twitter damijon stans are annoying and horrible and damijon antis are just as bad.

So the problem I have with Jonj*y is just deep rooted.

Firstly, I hate the way it came about. The last thing Jon’s character needed was to be in a relationship period but then for it to be a queer relationship used as a tool to garner sales? There’s nothing in the world I dislike more than queer baiting. The last thing we needed from DC was to pull something like this and as a queer person it just really gets under my skin - as it should anyone, to be honest.

Even regardless of that Jonj*y is the relationship equivalent of stale bread. They have no chemistry, Jay has no character besides catoring to Jon’s sexuality, and even if they were to explore him there’s no point because objectively they’ve tarnished Jon Kent way too much to be wasting comic ink on Jay.

I don’t like aged up Jon Kent as a whole, it’s not like I want him to stay a kid forever - obviously not. The fun of a comic book character is their growth! Jon over time should have never been able to get to the age he is now when other comic book characters struggle to get near that age in decades. I MEAN HE’S NEARLY OLDER THAN KON RIGHT NOW. Bendis did what he did to Jon because he ain’t even like him.

There are real serious issues with Jon Kent’s age up than him getting with Damian. I know how to seperate my ship/fanon from canon. I can go on and on about the problems with it without mentioning Damian once.

I had to put “JonJ*y apologist DNI” in my bio because the stans kept coming to my page and spewing BS 24/7 so I thought it was my absolute right to make sure they knew this page was not for them.

If you enjoy the ship at all then you will not like me because I have almost every single active Jonj*y poster blocked because I have fought with them at least once because they wanted to be stupid and spew nonsense on Jon Kent when you can tell they haven’t read a damn comic besides SSOKE and it really shows.

If you enjoy it, just block me. It’s only a matter of time before we fight anyway, so don’t waste your breath because the whole time you could be trying to open your mouth, you could open a comic book instead, how about that?

Thanks for the asks though, LOL.

P.2

#jondami #damian wayne #jon kent #supersons #super sons #jonathan kent #damijon #asks #jon kent meta #jon kent age up

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ultfreakme · 1 year

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This moment is so important. From SOKE to Dawn of DC has been building up to this. Its told subtly that Jon was frustrated about Clark leaving, him being stranded in the volcano, being Superman. He grew even more frustrated and closed-off when Otho & Osul were adopted and it's very obvious Jon needs Clark to pay attention to him but he's lost some faith in him. Except he's been able to hide it all, shove it down and pretend like it doesn't exist. Until now.

Osul asking Jon if he hates them forced Jon to confront that his simmering, unsaid frustrations are noticed and are affecting his younger siblings. Nat & the supertwins noticed, and him not having dealt with his worries or expressed it led to them picking up on it. Jon's been keeping everything secret because saying it would only hurt people, especially his family. Jon's neglects himself to protect others all the time to the point he's gotten severely hurt because of this. So the first time we see him facing his feelings is when someone else got hurt because of him not talking.

Now, he's blaming himself because he's projecting his own situation onto them. In SOKE he promised that he will never let anyone be in the same position he was and worked himself to the bone throughout dark crisis to achieve this. But he failed now. He's failed them and put them right in that position and at this moment, he's kind of reliving his trauma all over again. He's reached his breaking point and he's freaking the fuck out.

Clark notices and he knows that even if Jon is physically capable of helping him, he's panicking and his mental state is currently all over the place so bringing hi in or letting him see Osul and Otho in trouble would make him take rash decisions (Jon's prone to it when he blames himself and people he loves are in trouble).

I love the superfam team for doing this because Jon's story has been cohesive pretty much across all the comics he's appeared in and its led up to this.

Just, this is such good writing and the superfam team made an amazing character arc out of Bendis's fuck-up. I used to be like "age-up bad" and the execution absolutely was but if we're getting stuff like this, I'm defending it djfbhbjhjh anyways read Action Comics, this is the best Superfam era ever.

#jon kent #superman #action comics #jon kent meta #jonathan kent #jonathan samuel kent #jon el #soke #aosjk

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cogentranting · 2 years

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I think fear is a bigger part of what Jon’s going through right now than most people realize.

It really stands out to me in 2x11. In the scene where Clark tells them everything he learned in Bizarro world, Jon has just been attacked by Jon-El, he’s hurt in some way (he has an icepack), and he’s being told that this super powered version of himself is there explicitly to target him. But Jon is very shut down through the whole scene. He’s quiet, almost sullen, and he gets a little snappish with Clark. So it stands to reason that this is the way Jonathan responds to being afraid. He’s certainly terrified. He openly says in that scene that he doesn’t think Clark will be able to protect him. But that fear gets expressed as anger and sullenness.

And this continues throughout the episode. The other clearest point is when Jon is yelling at Clark for letting Jon-El go in order to preserve his secret identity. (Although here there’s also an element of “is protecting your secret more important than protecting me?” which hurts even more when connected with him bringing up Clark lying to him and Jordan for most of their lives).

But that fear isn’t just about the situation in 2x11. The fear dates back to season 1, with Jon sneaking into John Henry’s trailer to try to find weapons. Since then Jon has been expressing the idea that he feels vulnerable. And season 2 has reinforced that. Two of Jon’s biggest episodes this season--the one where he was trying to protect Candace from the drug dealer, and 2x11-- ended with Jon needing to be saved by Jordan. And the emphasis is put more on Jordan having a triumphant moment, but for Jon it’s really just hammering home the idea that he has been thrust into a world where he ends up in danger a lot and because he does not have powers, he is not able to defend himself. Even in comparison to the other non-powered characters (Lois, John Henry and Natalie), Jon is the one least equipped to defend themselves.

So whatever he’s feeling as far as loneliness or jealousy, or neglect, is being compounded by fear of being the least powerful person in any given situation. And that fear often gets expressed as anger.

#superman and lois #superman and lois meta #jon kent #jonathan kent #jon kent meta

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suzukiblu · 7 months

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For the random word prompts have some crafty words: knit, crochet, sew, mend, needle, thread and scissors. I gave you a lot because I don't think many people use enough craft Hobbies and skills in fics and I love reading about my favorite characters using skills I love.

Tbh I don't really have much prose-wise for craft stuff at the moment, I'm pretty sure everything craft-related on my docket is still in very loose outline form? Like ALL my uses of "needle" are ethically-dubious-lab-related, for SURE.

Buuuuut I can give you this very professional outline excerpt from a crack AU where Kon gets turned into a small and adorable puppy and things get ridiculous and cute and low-key emotional from there, if you want a little bit of crafting, lol.

Krypto picks puppy!Kon up by the scruff and takes him home to Metropolis lol

Clark is puzzled, Lois is amused, 10yo!Jon is DELIGHTED because Krypto had a PUPPY!!

Clark: Krypto didn't HAVE a puppy, Jonno, he just–

Kon, actively floating through the living room

Clark: . . . uh.

Jon: :DDD

Clark: h o w .

Lois: . . . well, WE had JON, sooo . . .

Clark, panicking juuuuust a little: Oh my GOD how did this never occur to me as a thing that might be a thing?! Oh my GOD!!

And then Kon is Doomed because now they all think he's KRYPTO'S BABY lol

meanwhile Jon is bonding with the new pupper/fellow hybrid who he wants to grow up and fight crime with and Krypto is trying to teach Kon how to speak Kryptonian Dog and also dadding the hell out of His Puppy/bestie hahaha

And Damian sulkily resents that Jon's dog likes DRAKE better than HIM

Jon talking to Ma about maybe making "Scout" his own lil' collar-cape like Krypto's and Kon like, DIVES into her scrap basket and comes up with some black scrap leather and like, BARKS over it in an attempt to get them to realize HE'S NOT ACTUALLY A PUPPY DAMMIT

Jon, a little embarrassed: . . . do you, uh, think Kon would think it was dumb if we made Scout a little leather jacket like his? Since he's a Kryptonian hybrid like–us?

Ma, fucking CHARMED by both that idea and Jon's cuteness: Well I think we're GOING to so he'd best just be flattered.

Kon like . . . very confused as to why Jon even wants to do that, but also GDI JON AND MA COME ONNNNN

Kon so, SO grudgingly getting measured for an S-shield pupper-jacket which of COURSE Ma immediately makes and Jon helps by sewing the embroidered El crest patch she makes onto the back

Jon may or may not bedazzle it

Lois is destroyed by the c u t e

Kon, internally: what is my life.

#royalarchive2 #kon el #jon kent #superboy #superfamily #meta ecetera #wip: superpup

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