Hey Raven, are you going to watch the upcoming new Disney movie "Wish"?
I've seen mixed reviews, but i'm lowkey excited since we get to see a new Disney villain, especially since Disney got really lame villains after all the old classic movies!
Have you seen the trailer for the movie? What are your thoughts so far?
I saw Wish with a friend recently! I'll give my thoughts on the trailers here (in case you don't want spoilers for the film itself) and put my full thoughts beneath the cut (if you're okay with spoilers).
Looks-wise, I think Disney was definitely trying to go for something more stylistic and painting-esque for this?? And while I commend the effort, it definitely doesn't look as interesting as Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish. The humor also definitely isn't for me, it feels very "quirky" and "so relatable" (Asha reminds me of Mirabel in that sense), and other times too juvenile (like the goat butt joke).
I do like the idea of the villain passing as a good guy in-universe and actually being vain and selfish, especially since the marketing is making it clear who the bad guy is rather than making it a "twist" villain scenario. Not sure if I like Magnifico himself though??? All the ads with him in it feel like Disney is trying too hard to make people thirst for him. From just the trailers, Magnifico does seem interesting and like more of a return to the traditional "villain" rather than the protagonist having to deal with an existential dread or concept.
***Spoilers for Wish beneath the cut!***
Right off the bat, my first impression is the narrative is SO ham-fisted. Within the first 5 minutes alone we're establishing so much information and in such a clunky, unnatural way. Like... Asha says hi to her friends but then they robotically have a dialogue where they overtly call each other "friends" just so it's clear to the audience (when in reality no one talks like that). It's telling instead of showing, and this happens sooo many times early in the film.
Could not for the life of me remember the friends or their names. There were just too many of them when 1 or 2 would have been just fine to move the plot along and to help Asha. (Yes, I know they're a reference to the 7 Dwarves but it's STILL not necessary to have so many just for a reference.)
Bruh, the makeup in this movie is on point. Every time there was a close up of a character, I was staring at their eye makeup (especially Asha and the queen's).
Asha as a protagonist was... fine? She feels very close to Mirabel and at times Rapunzel in her character. I didn't dislike her by any means, but she didn't reinvent what it means to be a Disney protag. Her motivations also come off as… really “out of nowhere”. We’re told she “cares too much”, but she initially only wants to save the wishes of her mom and grandpa; she randomly decides she has to free ALL wishes midmovie and that was jarring. There could have been a smoother transition. Instead, it was abrupt and Asha didn’t change in any meaningful way. Even her “I want” song was vague (what exactly is “to have something more for us than this”?) and didn’t connect well with her character.
I do really like her design though! Her freckles, earrings, and how her hair moves are my favorite details.
Valentino was not as annoying as I thought he would be. Still didn't care for his sass and brand of humor, but at least he helped out a few times.
I called it, the film is trying so hard to make Magnifico "hot" 🤡 I don't get it but okay, Mouse. I see your effort.
Loved his fit!! Very cool cloak and diamond/star motifs everywhere! His lab and study was also fun to look at.
I quite liked the moments when the queen talked to her husband and tried to smooth things over with him. “I can fix him energy”— Their relationship seemed very genuine at the start of the movie.
NOT THE WISH NEPOTISM...
If they were going for “sympathetic” with Magnifico, it didn’t work. He gave this backstory about how he was traumatized before + left as the only survivor of a great tragedy and so now he wants to use his magic to prevent that from happening to anyone else. Thing is, we only ever know about this via his word and staring at a half-burnt tapestry. We never see the event on screen, nor what was left of the tapestry. I was expecting a twist where it’s revealed that he lied all this time about his backstory and rewrote history so he could more easily manipulate the people of the kingdom he founded and live out the fantasy of being worshipped as a “good guy”. That was such a missed opportunity!!
Something else I was thinking of (this was during “This is the Thanks I get” was??? Maybe Magnifico started off genuinely good but became worn down over time as people’s wishes grew more selfish and they became ungrateful for what they had?? Then he could have become bitter and disillusioned by the behavior of his people.
Another idea is maybe Magnifico was “villainous” only in Asha’s eyes, since they don’t agree on how to best handle granting wishes. This would be more of a clash of ideologies rather than the traditional Obvious Evil vs Obvious Good that Disney is so known for, but hey, it could be a neat evolution of their storytelling from classic fairy tale roots.
This is to say that there were so many more interesting directions they could have gone with Magnifico’s motives, character, and portrayal 😭 but the second half of the movie never commits to any of these, they just blame his complete insanity and turn to the dark side on Forbidden Magic which is such a cop-out.
The trailers gave away the twist that Magnifico was the villain. It wasn’t revealed until like the second song into the movie. Would’ve worked better as an on-the-spot reveal rather than part of the marketing, in my opinion.
When they showed the wishes, the TWST fan in my was shouting, "OMG IT'S WISH UPON A STAR, THE LIMITED TIME STORY EVENT FROM THE HIT DISNEY MOBILE GACHA GAME TWISTED WONDERLAND!!!"
As Wish is Disney's anniversary film for 100 years, there were tooons of easter eggs scattered throughout. (I had fun looking for them!) Some were visual (I saw Aurora's dress, Snow White’s well, Peter's Pan's costume, Ursula's green smokey hands, Asha's robes resembling those of the Fairy Godmother, etc.) or extended imagery/scenes (Asha recreates Mulan's dinner and “Reflection" scenes), others were more overt lines of dialogue (Magnifico says the "Mirror, Mirror" lines along with others, a deer named “Bambi”, Valentino mentions an animal metropolis in reference to Zootopia, etc.).
In theory, the wish magic sounds cool but has so much that isn't explained??? And yeah, it's magic so it technically doesn't have to be. However, there are things not explained even when it is important to the plot. For example, Magnifico crushes some wishes and seems to absorb their power for himself (including the wish of Asha's MOM, so you'd think this would be important)? The consequence of this is that the wish's owners... become sad??? Okay, what are the long-term effects??? Why isn’t this fully explored?? But then later in the film we see the same people whose wishes were crushed... regenerate their wish??? So what, he has to keep reaping them??? And why are the wishes only taken at 18 years old? What if a wish changes? Ironically, the townspeople of Rosas have a scene where they question the technicalities of this wish magic. Magnifico essentially tells them to shut up, and it kinda felt like Disney was telling us to not question their lore www
It was weird that they never fully explored the ramifications of going without your wish. You’d think they’d show us people without ambition or hope (which would incentivize Asha to return their wishes), but everyone seems blissfully happy without their wishes?? The only exception is Asha’s friend that betrays her (cannot for the life of me remember his name), and that’s namely because his asshole friends keep ragging on him for it.
I thought the movie was going to go in a “you can make your own wish come true!!” direction but NOPE, turns out it’s just magic. Felt like Disney unintentionally wrote a whole movie about "wishes not coming true unless some big powerful entity allows it to come true” (Asha literally becomes the fairy godmother of Rosas at the end, making her ultimately no different than Magnifico)… ie a metaphor for how Disney owns so many properties it practically owns our childhoods www
"The power of friendship saves the day" ending 🤣 It was very Paper Mario ending-esque...
A song saving the day though?? It’s giving the Illumination Lorax film…
I was right about the humor. Too "quirky" and/or juvenile for me.
Animation was alright? Nothing awful about it, it just didn't feel as detailed or as experimental as other films with a similar style.
Songs were mid, which checks out with the recent Disney music excluding We Don't Talk About Bruno--
Some of the lyrics however were awful. “I let you live here for free and I don’t even charge you rent” is redundant. “So I throw caution to every warning sign” means you’ll show more caution than usual, not that you’ll forego caution. The correct expression is “throw caution to the wind”. Etc, etc, etc.
There was a cute after credits scene where they reveal that Asha's 100 year old grandpa (same age as Disney omg) wrote the "When You Wish Upon a Star" theme, which was sweet since his wish was "wanting to make a mark".
THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE WAS STAR!! It was very cute (partly because it couldn't talk and just jingled and giggled, I was dreading another annoying mascot animal voice) and reminds me of my own pet… The way Star infused everything with glitter and formed unique shapes with the red twine was so fun 😭 I'M A STAR STAN, IT WAS ADORABLE AND KINDA BRATTY AND I'M LIVING FOR IT
Decent ideas, "meh" execution. Enchanted and Shrek did it better in terms of self-aware, fairy tale defying stories. It felt as though the movie was trying to deliver a profound message but got lost in the sauce of making as making Disney references possible and didn't fully commit to actually saying something meaningful. As a result, the film feels somewhat… hollow.
That one friend betraying Asha was the biggest surprise in the film but I still saw it coming 😂 I do get where he’s coming from though (being worried that his wish won’t ever come true) but it also felt like his conflict wasn’t resolved??? It might have gone better if the movie actually fully tried to push the “you can make your own wish come true” message (to reinvigorate the traitor to make his dreams a reality on his own) but they don’t 💦
Wish didn’t end up being “the wishing star’s origin story” because not once did anyone question where Star came from or why it was different from other stars (or what the significance of Magnifico blotting out the other stars was).
I think the people that would enjoy this movie are the people that are already highly invested in Disney and the nostalgia of it.
... Anyway, stan Star 🤩 (and the talking mushrooms 🍄)
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Dimension 20′s Neverafter FPE (Fairytales Per Episode)
im going out of my fuckin gourd on this neverafter shit, and i have decided to make a list of what and how many fairytales/nursery rhymes are introduced in each episode. will update as time goes on but i make no promises as to how frequently. theories are not included in totals. allusions/references are.
disclaimer: i am coming at this from a primarily american, english-speaking, culturally christian background, though I have studied a lot of ancient mediterranean myth and religion, a little bit of norse myth and religion, and a little bit of arthurian legend.
please let me know if there’s a reference to something I missed or if you know shit I don’t. i’ve decided that for our purposes, whether a reference/allusion is intentional or not doesn’t factor into our final count - unintentional/ambiguously intentional allusions/references count too, not just obvious ones.
(especially about mythical middle eastern spiders. I only know anansi & arachne, and have a passing familiarity with jorogumo & ye xian, and none of those are middle eastern or fit the situation.)
update: the show is finished! I won’t be taking my various theories off, i think it adds flavor. just remember as you’re going down that I was updating this weekly-ish. I’m going to do another post in the future that is Just The Numbers, but for now, enjoy my rambling! [updatier update: here’s the Just The Numbers post]
Ep. 1
The PCs (and their backstories)
Mother Goose (+1)
Hubbard (old mother Hubbard who lived in a cupboard) (+1)
Jack
jumped over the Candlestick (+1)
(implied) and the Beanstalk (bc of the giants everywhere) (+1)
theory: Sprat? (the rhyme goes “Jack sprat could eat no fat his wife could eat no lean/and so between them both, you see they licked the platter clean.” not directly mentioned but that was my first thought upon the whole turning to bones thing that like all the fat was removed from his body or smthin)
Ylfa (Little Red Riding Hood) (+1)
there are 2 wolves inside you. you are 12.
the big bad wolf is mentioned in the context of 2 stories, the 3 little pigs and little red riding hood, so (+1) for the pigs
Pib (Puss in Boots) (+1)
Pinocchio (+1)
Cinderella (stepmother’s official art says “Cinderella...” at the bottom) (+1)
theory: “The second fairy you have met in your life” so also a character in smthin else probably since cindy’s stepmom isnt usually magical
update: maybe the whole cannibalism thing made her magical? who’s to say
updatier update (post ep 7): so it turns out that the evil fairy =/= the stepmother, but is the evil fairy from sleeping beauty. i was right about the stepmother being in multiple different stories but boy howdy do i wish I wasn’t.
Rosamund (sleeping beauty/briar rose) (+1)
Gerard (the princess and the frog) (+1)
Snow queen (mentioned by Elody) (+1)
the rest of the episode
the little red hen (+1)
i fuckin love this one.
the story’s basic but good - she’s makin some bread and at every step asks for help from the other barnyard creatures and they’re all like hmm nahhhhh and then when it comes time to eat the bread they’re all like yes please lemme help w that and she’s like uh no, where was this energy when i was making the damn thing? and eats it ‘without any help at all’
so brennan doing her as like ‘u gotta help or you don’t eat’ is fantastic. 10/10
Ol king Cole (+1)
The little old lady who lived in a shoe (+1)
(alluded to) Alice n Wonderland (rabbit and teapot) (+1)
theory: “the chandling caravan” sounds like it should be something, but I don’t know what it is, and google has not been helpful. same w boffit, lord bandlebridge, and cressida lumley.
total tale count: 16
Ep. 2
The nutcracker (+1) (herr drosselmeyer is the weird uncle who gives clara the nutcracker. also in every ballet his drip is consistently immaculate)
Snow White (+1) (mirror mirror…..leaned up against the wall)
(alluded to) Beauty n the beast (furniture coming alive) (+1)
theory: Eidelgrin means something, but I don’t know what it is.
total tale count: 3
Ep. 3
.........nothing new to report
Ep 4
the fairy with the turquoise hair (aka the blue fairy) is actually not exclusive to Pinocchio - she has her own book n everything. (+1)
(alluded to) the little mermaid (+1)
“a dancing princess who either cannot or will not speak near a beach.”
the little mermaid trades her voice for legs and in the OG grimm story it feels like stepping on swords whenever she walks so she kind of “dances” (rip)
there’s. So many rabbit and fox tricksters. And other clever cats. I don’t think any were directly mentioned (except that Pinocchio has some in his many adventures, which isn’t a new tale) so I’m gonna say (+1) for rabbit and (+1) for fox.
Update: a reply to this post mentioned a character named Reynard the Fox from medieval French literature that might be the reason that the Fox speaks with a French accent. I found more support for this theory below!
“Isengrim”
this is the name of the daggers Pib gets. Rabbit mentions that it’s a name that Fox called the Wolf.
In fact, there’s a tale called Ysengrimus from 1152 CE where Reynard the Fox tricks the titular character, a wolf! So, there’s one Fox story confirmed. No additional points since Fox already had 1 point, this is more confirming the specific story he was inspired by.
theory: also, if we know the accents Mean Something, then Rabbit having a British accent might point to Peter Rabbit.
update: i have noticed several posts calling Rabbit’s accent Australian. it can be hard for me to tell the difference and idk if the general European bent of these tales means that brennan’s British just sounds kind of Australian or if it Means Something. I’m sure there’s Australian trickster rabbits too i just don’t know them
no fuckin clue where the ring came from tho :/
the golden goose (another Jack/Mother Goose tale not specifically mentioned before) (+1)
plus the beanstalk thing is talked about more (not new info though)
total tale count: 5
Ep. 5
hey diddle diddle (+1) (the dish ran away with the spoon + the cow jumping over the moon are from this same rhyme)
also anyone catch brennan mentioning fiddle music as tim was healing pib? ik it was king cole related music, but also...hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle.
itsy bitsy spider (+1)
(alluded to) little miss muffet (+1) (tuffeton)
(alluded to) goldilocks (+1) (”just enough” oats)
1001 nights (+1) (scheherazade is the author of these tales, as well as a myth in her own right. I have not read 1001 nights. please tell me things if you know them)
“spider queen” (+1) idk what it is but its fuckin something
identifying information: guardian of a cave/maze. supposedly has a throne. 1001 nights-adjacent.
theories:
“the spider and the wind” tale 909 of 1001, spider isn’t in this one that much actually
not all folktales in the neverafter are in mother goose’ book, so it stands to reason that not all folktales in the Endless Nights are in 1001 nights.
however, all the folktales in the neverafter are European in origin (mostly medieval), so it would make sense that the folktales in the endless nights would be middle eastern or adjacent
ye xian - chinese folktale where there’s a spider queen
“that’s east asia not arabia” fair but consider: in the older translations, aladdin is a chinese peasant. the world of 1001 nights is already bigger than arabia, and stories travel much more easily than the goods being traded across asia and the mediterranean on the silk road at the time the stories were written.
jorogumo - japanese yokai. a spider that turns into a woman. again, extremely far away from arabia, but girl i am looking.
cave of thawr - islamic oral tradition of muhammed hiding in a cave and a spider protects him. there’s a similar jewish tale w david hiding in a cave.
unlikely, but if there’s beautiful tapestries and the mother of all spiders i have to mention my girl Arachne (greek myth)
all time famous mythical spider anansi (west africa) still doesn’t really fit the bill, and is farther away from arabia than arachne (greece, which had colonies in the middle east (along the mediterranean shore but still. water = trade = exchange of goods = exchange of ideas/stories)) but still possible
yes i got a degree in ancient mediterranean studies and am using it to ruthlessly analyze a comedy show instead of sleeping, what about it?
sinbad (+1) “Sinbad the Sailor” (the roc is part of this as far as i can tell)
magical palace w the tapestries of starlight (+1) there’s a fuckload of magic palaces in 1001 nights. idk which one this refers to but it’s Something. am currently combing the stories more closely to specify at least one.
theories
the bartender with the icy wound is definitely someone. my gut says someone from the snow queen - people get icy mirrors in their eyes n shit in there and oftentimes straight up don’t get better
the peddler of wares in the corner has to be someone
the name of the tavern being “the cock and toad” has to mean something. i did some googling. there’s lots of fairytales w toads and lots of fairytales w cocks (lol) but none I could find where it’s just the two of them together. it’s weird, w a lot of fairytales/fables/nursery rhymes its like rolling 2d8 on a table of 8 animals and then just making the title out of the two animals you get. statistically its likely that there’s a story out there called that but I can’t find it.
the fucking spidersilk ring. i will solve this riddle one day.
they say the name “Aesop” as in “Aesop’s fables” (like the tortoise and the hare) but no tales mentioned yet. worth looking into if you’re the curious sort tho. Pib is going to fuck this guy up, his stories are very animal-centric and definitely have some trickster cats.
total tale count: 8
Ep. 6
No new tales - expands on ones already mentioned.
It’s just Muffet and whoever Scheherazade’s spider is
at least we find out that the “spider queen” referred to the monstrous form of muffet and Scheherazade’s spider combined, and not some new wholly separate myth.
Scheherazade’s spider seemed a little...riddly? for lack of a better term? like the whole “something that does not breathe” thing was weird, and if it’s supposed to be a guardian or guide of some sort, riddles make sense.
honorable mention: In the adventuring party episode, brennan tells the fable of the scorpion and the frog.
total tale count: 0
Ep 7
many theories with little knowledge.
In the adventuring party, brennan straight up says that the sword of truth is a general archetype, not from any specific tale. didn’t know that was an option! so no points for the sword of truth, dope as it is.
p.s. anyone else get flashbacks to fhsy with the whole truth mirror thing? it’s a good concept I’m glad brennan’s bringing it back
I am assuming each artifact found in the spider’s lair either comes from a separate tale, or is an archetype. I’m only counting it if I can pin down a specific tale that it is from.
the gillesuit/haystack cloak (+1)
update: As of Ep. 9, we now know that this is called “the cloak of rushes” and grants advantage on stealth checks. it is almost certainly from the English fairy tale “Cap-o’-Rushes” which, confusingly, features not just a cap but a whole outfit made of rushes!
my first thought was little boy blue, which does come from the tales of mother goose. this makes more sense tho lol
the golden bridle (+1)
some cursory googling indicates that this is from the celtic tale of Guleesh. one night, upon hearing the Fair Folk partying in some ruins (had to look up what a “rath” was lol) and saying “My horse, my bridle, my saddle!”, he repeats what they’re saying and is suddenly on a horse with a golden bridle. the story isn’t about the bridle itself, but the horses feature prominently, and can fly and stuff. When Guleesh kind of breaks the magic, the horse turns into a wooden beam, so maybe putting the bridle on a wooden beam summons a horse?
update: in ep 13 & 14 (& the adventuring parties) they mention that a. it does not summon a steed - you need to already have a steed there, and b. it would only work on a beast, not a monstrosity.
so.......maybe it’s not the one from the tale of Guleesh. I remain optimistic.
the golden chair (+1)
an obscure one, to be sure. from a grimm fairytale with a weirdly christian bent, where a tailor convinces st peter to let him into heaven but then sits in a big golden chair which as it turns out is the chair god sits in, and fucks up by throwing the footstool at some lady on earth washing veils (?) and gets kicked out again.
it is very possible that this was not an intentional allusion, but rather meant to evoke a fairytale-like atmosphere. either way, mission accomplished!
honorable mention: mayor harold hopps, while not a fairytale character himself, looks exactly like and was apparently inspired by the guy on the Pringles can, who is 100% a modern-day folkloric character.
theories:
the black velvet cloak with stars on it
idk where this is from. the only story I could find w a cursory google that had star clothing was Allerleirauh aka Thousandfurs, about a princess whose dad who wants to marry her (gross) so she asks for a bunch of impossible stuff to be made before the wedding can happen to try and stop it, including a dress made of stars (and one made of every kind of fur in the world hence the title). but it’s not a cloak so no points.
i s2g i have heard of something called ‘the cloak of stars’ before but I can’t fucking find it. pls lmk if you can think of something
update: ep 9 - they ALMOST told us what it was fuck, they mentioned wearing it to escape from the stepmother but we have no name. also the ‘cap-o’-rushes’ tale is extremely similar to thousandfurs minus the incest, so I don’t think it’s from that.
the stick skeletons w/ flesh on them were minions of the evil fairy from sleeping beauty - not a new tale
total tale count: 3
Ep 8
correction: brennan mentioned in the adventuring party for this one that aesop himself may also be fictional, and that many fables contain him telling the fable as part of it, so we’ll officially count him as his own fable like we did with Scheherazade (+1)
the lion and the mouse (+1)
the boy who cried wolf (+1)
they did finally mention the scorpion and the frog (+1)
alphonse is there but “the mule” isn’t actually referenced as being part of any of aesop’s fables in the show (like, there’s plenty of mules in aesop’s fables but no specific one was referenced in the show)
total tale count: 4
Ep 9
BABA YAGA BABA YAGA BABA YAGA BABAYAGABABAYAGA!!!!!! (+1)
i love her so much. i truly understood emily’s excitement this episode.
(alluded to) the princess and the pea (+1)
first time around I didn’t hear siobhan ask if anyone sees any stacks of mattresses without peas under them to sleep on lol
(alluded to) this little piggy went to market (+1)
idk if that’s the name of the rhyme or not, or if it has a name
it’s not in the captions but emily axford saying ‘well there has to be a market, right? cause this little piggy went to market’ is iconic
some sources say this rhyme is from Mother Goose lol
total tale count: 3
Ep 10
(alluded to) peter and the wolf (+1)
the baron’s named peter and there’s a wolf. that cant be a coincidence, the 3 little pigs don’t have set names
mostly retreading 3 little pigs territory. awesome battle set!
theories:
the soup could be an allusion to something but i think its just playing into this season’s theme of consumption and the end of the 3 little pigs
the council of kings might be from something
total tale count: 1
Ep 11
we get 5 kings from 5 tales on the Council of Kings (which seems diegetic and not a reference to anything), 3 of which we already knew, 2 which are new.
the little mermaid (the mer-king)
the snow queen (the tsar of snowhold)
the nutcracker (the mouse king)
the emperor’s new clothes (the naked emperor) (+1)
rumpelstiltskin (FINALLY) (the king of apogee) (+1)
Koschei the deathless (+1)
i had no fucking clue who this guy was until emily axford recognized him, thank you emily
at first I was scared the sealskin would be a selkie thing. it may still be, but that doesn’t appear to be the case in this specific situation
(alluded to) the binding of Fenrir, the wolf at the end of the world (+1)
there’s a norse myth where tyr (a god) puts his hand in fenrir’s mouth to show good faith. the gods want to put this magical leash/collar on fenrir, and since he’s not an idiot he says that he’ll consent to it only if tyr puts a hand in his mouth while they do it, to show that what they’re doing will not hurt or bind him in any way. the gods agree, but oops they lied, the chains are very much to bind him, and tyr loses his hand but the wolf is still bound.
but ylfa and mother goose are telling the truth! happy ending (for once lol) ^v^
I didn’t catch this one at first - thank you to the many posts about it in the #neverafter tag!
honorable mention
sheldon from ‘garfield and friends’
theories
the tavern-keeper (Natalia) doesn’t stand out to me as anyone specific so far, though her daughter is the second “snow-touched” person we’ve met (the bartender at the cock and toad had an icy wound over one eye) so im thinkin snow queen
there’s dwarves in other stories than snow white I’m sure, but these ones specifically say “snow white” on their intro card.
also, their names, Mürrisch, Schläfrig, & Arzt, mean grumpy, sleepy, and doctor in German. Grumpy, Sleepy, and Doc are all disney snow white dwarf names. nice.
another infuriating mention of the cloak of stars without any indication of what it does. I’m going to spontaneously combust.
one thing i do appreciate is the amount of taverns they run into. this is the third and i am very pro
total tale count: 4
Ep. 12
so many princesses!!!!! most of them already counted but still!!!
Rapunzel!!!!! (+1)
The North Wind (+1)
my classics major ass immediately assumed they were talking about Boreas, the Greek god of the northern wind lol
from what I can tell, this is from "East of the Sun and West of the Moon"
i’m sure The North Wind is from other things too, everybody loves personifying the wind
honorable mentions
Beast!!!!! i already counted the tale early on as a reference but it’s here fr now!!!!
Finally meeting the little mermaid!!! Also counted early on but this is her first appearance!
“the beast beyond no name” that Mira mentions in combination w the taut string that Pinocchio feels that means part of his story is happening soon whether he likes it or not makes me think it’s Terrible Dogfish time. But. I also think that it could be the literal Kraken.
there’s so many monsters in folklore that are just “really big scary fish thing that lives at the bottom of the ocean yet somehow also wrecks ships on the surface” i just don’t know which one brennan’s going for. my money’s on either Pinocchio’s Dogfish or The Kraken
Candlewick! jesus fucking christ! every time a bit of Pinocchio lore shows up, it’s already horrifying just from the whole story of Pinocchio being horrifying, but then Brennan leans into it in just the right way for it to be so much worse!
in the adventuring party, they mention several other tales, including the tortoise and the hare and the little matchgirl. they also (rightfully) dunk on Hans Christian Andersen for writing ludicrously depressing children’s stories.
total tale count: 2
Ep. 13
no new tales, dogfish, mer-king, & sea witch are from existing tales, but
CLOAK OF STARS LORE CONFIRMED
WE NOW KNOW THE CLOAK OF STARS IS CAPABLE OF CASTING 5TH LEVEL MAGIC MISSILE
THIS DOES NOTHING TO NARROW THINGS DOWN! BUT IT’S SOMETHING!!!!
also MANY tantalizing mentions of the golden bridle with 0 hints as to its capabilities.
total tale count: 0
Ep. 14
the sea witch is named Alba Mac Lír
several allusions here!
thank you @twoeelsforsupper for this observation!
“there is a legend called "the children of Lír" where a witch/stepmother turns King Lír's children into swans but does not take their voices, which ends up getting her found out. like the threads about voices and witches and stepmothers and transformations???”
“Alba” can mean several things
it’s the Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland (this is probably what was being referenced)
in Latin, it’s the feminine nominative singular of the adjective albus, meaning “white”
in Spanish and Italian, it means “sunrise”
In Scottish Gaelic, “Mac” means “son of” so we have “Scotland, son of Lír”
good for her
also, if she’s one of the children of Lír, does that mean she’s one of the ones that got turned into swans?? much to consider.
so, plus one for the legend of the children of Lír! (+1)
FINALLY (finally) we get full cloak of stars lore.
its a fucking dnd 5e item. all this time and it’s legit just a reskin of Robe of Stars
it can take them to the lines between and shoot magic missile
i don’t know why i’m mad
total: 1
Ep. 15
yikes
no new tales, unless you count Clara The Horse Princess (she is not from anything as far as I can tell but I love her. also like Clara is the name of the nutcracker main character but we already counted the nutcracker so it wouldn’t be anything either)
total: 0
Ep. 16
thumbelina! (+1)
tom thumb! (+1)
I thought they were from the same thing but it turns out they have different origins, though there was a 2002 movie that had them be in the same movie.
tom thumb - English folklore, there was a 1621 book called The History of Tom Thumb
thumbelina - hans christian anderson tale from 1835, in the second volume of his Fairy Tales Told For Children series.
turns out he was actually inspired by Tom Thumb a bit, so it’s not convergent evolution or anything.
ngl - I mostly know the story of thumbelina from hearing julia from drawfee rant about how shitty of a movie it is in various streams/videos lol
all the jack stuff is stuff we’ve seen before - golden goose, giantslayer, nimble
UPDATE: in ep 17 adventuring party, brennan talks a bit about the multiplicity of jacks, and clarifies that there are TWO separate giantslayer myths.
Jack the Giant Killer - a Welsh fairytale about a warrior named Jack who fights a bunch of giants with a huge club and wins
Jack and the Beanstalk - an English fairytale about a young boy who accidentally grows a beanstalk to the Giant World and only “kills” the giant at the end by cutting the beanstalk down, leaving the giant to fall to his (their?) death.
So, while we’ve already counted Jack and the Beanstalk, this episode does introduce a new variation on Jack - Jack the Giant Killer. (+1)
henry hubbard is BACK!!!!! yes!!!!!
and tomás!!! and A L P H O N S E
I am v psyched for what comes next.
honorable mentions:
these aren’t explicitly Liliputians, but they do talk about gulliver in the adventuring party. I don’t think they talk about him in the actual show though.
total: 3
Ep. 17
holy shit. so many right off the bat, with brennan and siobhan going through a list of c-list folktales!
Fear Not (+1)
another grimm fairytale - not their finest work i see why this guy would be c-list lol
the brave little tailor (+1)
aka “the guy who kills a bunch of flies with his belt”
this is a for-real grimm fairytale about a guy who kills 7 flies at once, is very proud of it, makes a belt that says “Seven at One Blow” on it, and then goes out into the world and has his shit wrecked from various people misinterpreting what “Seven at One Blow” means
it’s hilarious
another jack tale!! Jack and Jill! (+1)
three blind mice (+1)
honorable mentions:
Henry talks about reuniting a clockwork man with a man in an eyepatch
this is all consistent with the Herr Drosselmeyer lore from all the way back in the first episodes of the show! We already counted him, so no new points, but still very cool!
also cool how brennan combined shoeberg w giant-slaying bc i mean how did they get all those ludicrously big shoes?
the golden goose shows Timothy all the versions of his story where they are one and the same. I’m not counting this as her showing him a new, separate fairytale, since it just overlaps two tales that we already have counted. also, I cried, that was a really intense part of the episode.
in the adventuring party they talk a lot about Narnia and “The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.”
ik those aren’t exactly ye olde english fairytales, since they came out in 1950, but if Aslan wandered into the neverafter I’d count him for sure
we learn what the harp does!
the harp’s power is consistent with the jack and the beanstalk myth, but it also reminded me of several other myths about lulling beasts to sleep
e.g. Hermes of Greek mythology fame (and supposedly the inventor of the lyre) also killed the giant Argus after lulling half of his eyes to sleep with the lyre and boring the other half to sleep with various tales of his exploits. (Argus’ big thing was having a bunch of eyes all over his body)
lulling a beast to sleep is a common theme across cultures, makes sense that it’s the kind of archetype useful for the gang.
it’s very possible that some aspect of how baba yaga’s cottage was described alludes to some other Slavic folklore that I didn’t pick up on
total: 4
Ep 18
“The Wishing Star” (+1)
fuck disney for making it impossible to find real fairytales about wishing stars on google
there are many tales/nursery rhymes about wishing on stars. “star light, star bright” is the first that comes to mind, but I’m sure there’s others. we’ll count this as a multi-tale figure and give it +1
honorable mentions
so. The Trials of Baba Yaga could refer to several things.
The Tale about Baba-Yaga is a 18th c. folk story where Baba Yaga has one normal human son (???) who marries a normal human woman, who then has to prove herself by doing seemingly normal chores (milk the cows, shear the sheep) that she then finds out from her husband are secretly meant to kill her (the cows are bears, the sheep are wolves).
(aka a fucked up slavic version of the tale of eros and psyche.)
(not that eros and psyche isn’t fucked up, just in a different way)
There is a 2017 book called “Winston and Baum and the Trials of the Baba Yaga” I do not think this is what was being referenced, and as it is modern and not a folk story, I’m not counting it.
other stuff I can find about Baba Yaga also includes stepdaughters having to do chores with secret meanings - it’s a part of her Thing
I’m including this under the general Baba Yaga mythos, not as its own thing, but still cool stuff to know about.
Prince Johnathan of Apogee (that’s how the subtitles spell it)
so. wayyyy back in episode 11 we find out that the kingdom of apogee is where Rumplestiltskin happened.
I think that’s all the Apogee info we have, and with a name as vague as Johnathan I don’t think we can call it a reference to anything.
We got Mother Goose’s OG rhyme!!!
not a new story but very cool!!!
there’s more but I think they stopped at a good place
fun fact: I found an extra verse that isn’t in the one linked above
“Then old Mother Goose/that instant came in/and turned her son Jack/into famed Harlequin/She then with her wand/touched the lady so fine/and turned her at once/into sweet Columbine”
and then they go on with the rest of the book like that bit never happened
other fun mother goose shit
i thought that littlefinger and “chaos is a ladder” were fairytale quotes but they’re from game of thrones it turns out. ._.
total: 1
Ep 19
no new tales (it’s the finale pt 1) but several honorable mentions
“As you wish”
cinderella girl you are KILLING ME
for those not in the know, this is an allusion to The Princess Bride
in the context of the book & movie, it means “I love you”
could be unintentional but i highly doubt it.
the book is too recent to count as fairytale for our purposes (1973) but it is very much in that genre. god damn.
la bête saying “be our guest” alludes to the disney beauty and the beast movie obvs
“Something wicked this way comes”
quote from Macbeth, by Shakespeare
I don’t think Shakespeare counts as fairytales. idk the vibes are just off. ik it’s an Old Story but it isn’t a fairytale.
total: 0
Ep 20
this is it gang!
The Fairies
so in the 1880s, Andrew Lang wrote a series of fairytale books named after fairies of various colors. I’m counting each fairy who has a book named after them as a new tale.
EXCEPT: the Blue Fairy
ok look i fucked up yall. The Fairy With Turquoise Hair is re-named “The Blue Fairy” in a lot of adaptations, so when I previously counted her separately from Pinocchio bc she had her own book, I was referring to “The Blue Fairy Book”
so we’re not counting it here bc that would be counting it twice. apologies to the actual Blue Fairy.
The Red Fairy Book (+1)
The Green Fairy Book (+1)
The Orange Fairy Book (+1)
The Yellow Fairy Book (+1)
this is by no means all of Lang’s color fairy books. he’s got crimson, violet, grey, pink, you name it.
honorable mentions
Calvin & Hobbes is modern day folklore
I looked up to see if there’s any actual Aesop fables with a shark in em, closest I could find was a dolphin. Rip.
Beaky’s stint in the TAA lines up with Pinocchio’s story, so not a new tale. thank you for your service beaky o7
total: 4
total series tale count: 62
alas, the only mystery remaining is Scheherazade’s spider. someday I may come back to this post with new information about her, but today is not that day. If you know any middle eastern myths/fairytales/folklore/nursery rhymes that prominently feature a spider that guards a maze or guides people through caves, please feel free to reply/reblog with your knowledge.
this show has been a fun and wild ride. Here’s a shortened version of this post with just the numbers
thank you for coming on this journey with me - see you in the stories!
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hi! i was wondering if i could get romantic and platonic matchup for mha? For romantic i'd like male ship, please!
ᓚᘏᗢ general info:
/ 21 / she/her / enfp / 7w8 / leo /
𓆈appearance𓆈
𓆈 i'm tall, taller than most of my friends → i'm 6'2. my figure is hourglass shaped, something like models in 50s/60s fashion magezines, i think. i have shaggy golden blonde thick curls, my hair is long so i usually tie it up in two buns and two braids (like goldilocks from puss in boots: the last wish). my eyes are amber. i have skinny hands with long fingers
𓆈 my clothing style is mix of whimsigoth, cryptidcore and grandmacore. i really like unusual jewelry → weird shaped rings, earrings, brooches (i especially love the insect shaped and art nouveau ones)
𓆣personality𓆣
𓆣 i'm positive and upbeat person, i try to see the bright side in most situations. i'm friendly, cheerful and bubbly. i'm full of energy and i can be a bit chaotic, but i try to be as responsible as possible, i want people to feel that they can rely on me
𓆣 i'm really confident and i'm not afraid to express myself
𓆣 i care about my friends and family a lot, and go out of my way to show it. i love making people smile
𓆣 i'm super kind person, but won't take any nonsense
𓆣 i have morbid, dark sense of humor. sometimes i randomly say a weird obscure fact in the middle of conversation
𓆣 i'm kinda struggling with taking rest, doing nothing, because there is always something to do, something new to learn, etc. → i'm afraid of stagnation. i overwork myself a lot
𓆣 can't think of anything that i don't like, guess i'm so fixated on my hobbies and passions, i don't pay any attention to other things
𓃹 my hobbies 𓃹
𓃹 dancing and performing. i'm ballet dancer since i was a kid. i also try my skills as figure skater
𓃹 sewing and knitting. i sew most of my clothes and i made for myself tons of sweaters, with most silly patterns like characters from old cartoons, for example "wilk i zając" or "krecik"
𓃹 playing on instruments. i can play on violin, cello, piano, guitar, saxophone, harp and drums, i'm currently learning how to play on trumpet
𓃹 learning. about world and universe or learning new skills. i'm deeply fascinated by space and oceans, they're still unknown to humanity, learning about them makes me sigh in wonder and admiration. i also love nature, i could spend days wandering in forests, observing and learning about animals, insects, plants
𓃹 doll making. i love making dolls, puppets, marionettes. wooden, porcelain, rag, basically every type. i organize puppet theaters, sometimes i give my works as gifts to my loved ones
𓃹 art, any kind of art actually. i like to learn about artists and their work, and i like to try different types of art. sculpting, painting, ceramics, photography, filmmaking, i adore them all. i work as illustrator for fantasy books and books for kids (and honestly this job is dream come true for me!)
𓃹 gardening and herbalism. i work on in garden a lot, i grow flowers, vegetables and herbs. i know herbal medicine, i make my own infusions and tinctures
𓃹 cooking and baking. i learn new recipes whenever i have the opportunity. my favorite things to bake are bread and cookies. i also pick mushrooms, dry them or pickle them
sorry if it's too long or too chaotic (・ัω・ั)
thank you so much for even reading this! ( ╹▽╹ )
i love your writing sm, btw! ♡
Hello! I hope you like your matchups! <3333
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My Hero Academia;
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Platonic;
Tamaki Amajiki:
🐙 You met Tamaki while out Pro-heroing, you have a pretty useful fighting quirk, but you usual go out and help those who are in need during/after crazy battles - the poor civilians often needed medical help, and you were there to help them; and then you met Tamaki
🐙 After one nasty battle, thankfully not a lot of people were harmed, you finished healing a few people and decided to go up and thank the other heroes for their good work - Mirio and Nejire matched the same bright and bubbly vibe of yours perfectly, while Tamaki was a bit nervous and thanked you in return
🐙 From then on, you met up with the three young heroes, going to little cafes to grab a bite to eat, and during that time, you got to know Tamaki a little bit more too - you actually surprise him, mirio, and nejire when randomly in a conversation you blurted out a really random fact
🐙 For Tamaki's birthday, after having known him for a while, you gifted him a homemade puppet - you took his little smile and words of thanks as a very good sign that he liked and appreciated it; he was amazed how talented you are
🐙 You and Tamaki are very much opposites, but like mirio and nejire, he works well with you, believing that you are a great and loyal friend - he knows that he could always rely on you
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Romantic;
Hizashi Yamada:
🎤 You and Hizashi are literally like the most perfect match - you are both bright, friendly, cheerful, bubbly little fire balls of energy (and both very much chaotic); he's confident , you're confident, he's loves making people happy, you love making people happy - I could say more but I think you get the idea (bit of an age gap? Who cares? You guys are perfect)
🎤 On to the dating stages of your life, cause we all know that you and he would just automatically be best friends in the beginning, you and Hazashi would literally always be there for each other; ride or die really - another thing that the two of you hate, stagnation, Hizashi is always doing something, (as are you)
🎤 Though, if things do settle down, (just slightly, we all know he won't stop moving), Hizashi is totally down to help you do whatever you need to get done; you're gardening? Hizashi is already repotting your plants, you're baking cookies? He's already tossing them in the oven and stealing cookie dough on the side
🎤 You do spend a lot of time together - it's like his favorite thing, if you haven't noticed - whether it's painting portraits of each other, dancing around the kitchen while baking bread, or teaching him how to sew his own clothes, he's loving it because you love it and he's doing it all with you
🎤 But then again, when times are slower, Hizashi will always take walks through forests with you, his curiosity getting the best of him as he asks you about almost every insect, animal, or plant that you both pass by; Hizashi loves everything that you do, finding you incredible, and he tells you often - he gifts you a lot of things that you like as well (like weird jewelry), but most of all, he loves spending time with you, just being in your presence fuels him
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