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I actually love comic book characters who’s morals involve killing but not in a “they were right and the characters who don’t are wrong” type way, but in more of a “what can drive someone to the point of killing, and what does that say about how much they value life?”
#marvel#marvel comics#dcu#dc comics#examples:#the punisher#elektra natchios#red hood#moon knight#hell even Deadpool to some extent#omg GWENPOOL#my dearly beloved#wanda maximoff#what a woman#echo???#and so forth
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I WAS LITERALLY AVOIDING OTHWR MEDIA TOO SO I COULD PRESERVE MY HITTACHIN HYPERFIXATION and then my friend wanted to see a movie for their birthday,, fuck that friend in particular. how dare they make me consume outside media
my hyperfixations are usually really long. even if theres no more content of it for me to see, my headcanons and made up scenarios can keep it going FOREVER
in fact something really funny is that when i get a new hyperfixation i tend to just. completely drop the old one. i literally straight up abandoned a dsm p twitter stan account with nearly 1k followers and a bunch of close mutuals DAYS after starting danganronpa. once something grabs my mind it does Not Let Go
fortunately that didnt really happen with hitachiins to fruit brothers,, probably because there really wasn't much content for me to consume. i could rewatch the anime and it would last a few episodes, there's a fandom, but bullet train Just came out so there wasn't much of a fandom yet, and it wouldnt be on digital (or soap2day hehe) for a couple months or so.
anyway i really like that movie if you couldn't tell !!! personally i recommend it but fair warning its very gorey/bloody/violent (in that strange comedic way- think deadpool or kingsman) and made me CRY. like just sob. so the emotional damage was real but i loved it anyway
idk what it is that makes me love brother characters so much. i feel like its just so sweet to be to have siblings that are just ,, always there for each other. they grew up together, they've had each other through everything, good and bad, and they've survived at each other's side. they trust each other with their lives, even if they can't trust anyone else. its more than just a best friend thing too, because its an irreplaceable bond. its just,,, ougjfjhhjh its my favorite .
and thats probably indicative of some deep psychological issue but idc !! i just like silly brothers
how DARE your friend do that 🙄smh. war crime.
also i FEEL the dropping out of the other thing, altho mine is usually a slowish transition and i still make content for my other fixations occasionally......i p much dropped out of the AA hyperfixation but i still do love seeing fan art and reading fics it's just not my number 1 thing anymore (altho i will ALWAYS be down to talk abt it especially aa4.). i like to keep it around tho like all my other hyperfixations....just to revist every now and again. And to an extent asoryuu still has such a Grip on me. except certain hyperfixs i abandon Forever for one reason or another (not naming names but longtime followers maybe know the Big Two/derogatory im referring to)
I may put it on my to watch list (i have so many movies on there bro...) bc tho im squeamish with blood n gore on screen, i may enjoy it. I will look more into it :eyes:
And!!!!!!!!! REAL I love sibling characters..........characters in general who each other are their everything (co dependency my beloved/hj) and that's usually easier to find with siblings. I've also found?? I really just like. identical twin characters. just smth about having somebody who looks Just like you.....wadda hell. in some cases i like it when they cant Stand each other but also? when they're super close....mama mia. Close siblings man....melts into a puddle.
Hitachiins I guess struck it big with me bc 1.co-dependency 2.identical twins 3.i will not lie i Do kinda like twincest......so their funny little club act is mostly hilarious but also like......u do this For Fun ? 🤨 ALSO the ANGST potential with them.....esp bc Kaoru is such a depressed bastard.....IT'S ALL I'VE EVER WANTED !!
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New Dynasty Chapter 50
Bea Arthur sniffed the air around her and hissed. She smelled something that could be enemy, could be danger, could be food—
“It’s an old homeless guy,” Deadpool told the creature he was riding. “And I don’t care what the author says—eating him could kill you.”
Wade, please.
“Or at least make you really sick. How often does she need to eat, anyway?”
She’s not really hungry Wade; just bored. Jump a few rooftops and do some acrobatics and she’ll be fine.
“Onward!” ordered Deadpool. Bea Arthur roared in acceptance and jumped onto a fire escape to climb to the top of the building. An elderly woman opened her curtains to see the monster outside them, and there was a small thud as she fainted. “Hey!” said Deadpool. “I’m pretty sure giving a senior citizen a heart attack counts as killing them!”
Calm down. She merely fainted—and her apartment is full of quilts she’s made. She’ll be fine.
“Oh yeah? And what about Aunt May?”
Aunt May has a rare adult version of brittle bone disease. She’s still healing from her broken foot, but other than that she’s fine.
“Are you sure you didn’t kill her off screen? You’re good at that.”
Wade, what is this about?
Deadpool held tight to the improvised saddle as Bea Arthur leaped between rooftops and picked up speed. “That kid. The one in the tank at the lab.”
I remember.
“He died.”
Some time ago, yes.
“Off screen.”
Well, I did write a chapter for it explaining what happened—
“And?” Deadpool’s voice is brittle and angry.
And it was depressing as Hell and didn’t match the overall tone of the story.
“You authors and your ‘tones’,” growled Deadpool. “He was a good kid! You could have saved him!”
He was being forced to live as his body decomposed around him watching the children he thought of as siblings being tortured as they were tested to destruction for an incomprehensible goal. Trust me; he’s in a much better place right now.
Bea Arthur growled and stalked forwards, her movable toe tapping on the roof in an odd clicking motion. Suddenly she lunged forwards and chomped down on a sleeping pigeon.
“I thought you said she wasn’t hungry!”
She’s not. You’re riding her like a sack of potatoes. She’s a little bored.
“We’ll see about that!” Deadpool clung to the saddle and she raced forwards. She leaped down from the roof, bouncing from clothesline to clothesline, as she made her way to the street before running, jumping over pedestrians. Soon she ran back into an ally and hopped up the fire escape until she made it back to a roof. “How’s that?” Bea Arthur’s mouth opened in a satisfied grin as she lightly panted from the exercise.
Much better. Aren’t you looking for something while you’re out here?
“Oh, like I’m really going to find anything jumping from rooftop to rooftop this time of night. No, I wanted to talk to you.”
I’m feeling suspicious Wade. What do you want to talk to me about?
“How’s Peter and Arachne?”
Fine. They had their little talk, and they’re not watching TV as they wait for you to get back from patrol.
“And why couldn't I be there?” demanded Deadpool. He didn’t like being written out of a heartwarming scene with Arachne—she was his daughter too.
Of course she is. And you couldn't be there because 1) you would have focused on critiquing her one below the belt punch and 2) the incident has traumatized you enough.
“I am not traumatized!”
You’re referring to yourself as Deadpool.
Deadpool—Wade was silent as Bea Arthur bent to sniff something on the graveled rooftop. “All right,” he said. “You’re right. I don’t like the thought of those bastards going anywhere near my little girl—”
And you shouldn't.
“—but I can handle it.”
Can Peter?
Deadpool—Wade—reeled in shock on the back of Bea Arthur who looked up and snorted a low, menacing growl. “What?” he demanded.
Can Peter handle you being traumatized by what happened? And Arachne?
“That—you—”
I realize, Wade, that you are the only one in this story that can hear me, but you are not the only one in it.
“So you were protecting them? Not me?”
This may be a foreign concept to you, but I can be protective of my protagonists. And that includes you, by the way, which is why your boxes aren’t here.
“Huh.” Bea Arthur sniffed the air again and pranced in place as Deadpool sat on her back thinking about what the author said. “That said—you did cause me mental anguish.”
You’re not about to heap demands on me are you? Because you are literally riding a movie-style velociraptor that has laser vision, the ability to create a force field, and happens to be carrying four fertile eggs.
“Four WHAT?” Wade looked down at the creature between his legs.
Chill out Wade, they’re not developed enough to be laid yet.
“Why didn’t you tell me?”
I haven’t decided if she’s going to get spayed yet, or if she’s going to lay them.
“And when were you going to decide that?”
I thought I’d let the comments decide for me.
Bea Arthur suddenly shifted in an odd, sliding movement as she sniffed the air, tracking an elusive, familiar scent.
“The comments. Well, I’ve been thinking about that story you’re going to write me in.”
I’m writing you in a story now.
“No, no—the new one! The one after this!”
What about it?
“I want you to put smut in it. None of this ‘start affection and then cut away at the last moment crap.’ That’s only good for kids stuff.”
Wade, I don’t write smut. I’ve never written smut; I wouldn't be good at it.
“Then you need practice! Like the priest said to the virgin, ‘It only hurts the first time!’” Wade grinned under his suit. “And you’re smiling!”
I am, actually. That was a good book. Shout out to Mercedes Lackey, one of my favorite published authors.
Bea Arthur growled and suddenly lunched forwards as Wade automatically adjusted to her new gait as she began running and jumping between the rooftops.
“And I want good clothes!”
Meaning…?
“I want a cape! Lined with fur!”
Wade, do you even know how impractical that is?
“It’s a fantasy! You can do what you want!”
To a certain extent that is true.
“And no cowboy hats.”
And just what, pray tell, is wrong with a cowboy hat? You wore one not that long ago, if you’ll recall.
“And it was stupid! Come on, there just happened to be a box of cowboy hats in that warehouse? And I just happened to grab a couple?”
Enough. I have had enough. Wade, I wanted to write something fun. Something with action. But were you satisfied with that? Oh, no. No, you’re complaining about my taste in FASHION!!
“Your taste sucks!”
I’ve had it. I’ve had it. I have had it with you.
“Oh?” Wade’s lips pulled back in a sneer. “And what are you going to do about it?”
I’ll show you what I’m going to do about it.
Suddenly Wade felt a sharp pain in his chest and looked down to see the dart piercing him. The plunger had depressed as it hit pushing the drug into his system. His body felt like lead. He was having trouble holding on to the saddle.
And Wade?
“Wha?” slurred Wade as he blinked rapidly trying to clear his blurring vision.
Betty White is the better Golden Girl!
“You BI—”
Wade’s world went black and he fell off Bea Arthur. She tried to defend him against the men who attacked—but she was hit with another dart and it knocked her out as well.
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The Not-So-Amazing Mary Jane Part 28: AMJ #3.2
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As with issue #2 (and all future posts) I advise you to read the prior instalment as I’m not going to recap the first half of the issue again here.
Moving on, we finally get to meet these new crewmembers. They consist of:
H.E.R.B.I.E. 1.05, a version of the F4’s robot buddy
Screwball, a “… self-styled as a performance artist and the world's first live-blogging super-villain. She was an Internet personality and social-media attention monger to such an extent that she committed crimes on camera.”
And Master Matrix. He's a whole mess. Basically he is the world’s most powerful LMD, and a highly dangerous weapon. He views Spider-Man and Deadpool as his ‘fathers’ in a weird way.
Beck starts to justify the hires, but MJ says that if they believe in the project as she does and have earnest intentions then she’ll reserve judgement.
Screwball tells McKnight that she’s leaked some fake photos to mislead the Savage Six and buy them some time. With that McKnight is eager to get to work.
Let me be upfront about this, I know little about HERBIE or Master Matrix. I’m not an F4 expert and I never bothered with the Spidey/Deadpool ongoing. So I will admit that maybe I’m missing some important context here. My research on the Marvel.wiki didn’t yield any results on who HERBIE 1.05 is beyond him maybe being the regular version of HERBIE. And last I checked the regular HERBIE wasn’t a bad guy. Master Matrix in contrast seems to have been a morally ambiguous character initially but grew to be a good guy. He has a kill switch he willingly handed over to SHIELD just in case he ever went rogue.
So 2/3 of them are perfectly fine. I don’t even know how much MJ would know about HERBIE or Master Matrix. However, Screwball?
Screwball is a straight up criminal. Not an especially dangerous one granted, perhaps not even a D-lister. But a criminal nonetheless. MJ has seen her before, as she witnessed Superior Spider-Man assaulting her on TV in Superior Spider-Man v1 #6.
Realistically, given how horrified MJ was by the incident you’d imagine it’d stick in her mind. Additionally, given how Screwball is an attention monger and very into social media I’d imagine MJ would have some awareness of who she is. MJ herself is very up-to-date with the latest trends and would be plugged into modern pop culture and social media.
However, for the sake of argument let’s say MJ doesn’t remember Screwball at all. Let’s say she’s never heard of HERBIE or Master Matrix. Given how in the first issue she was taking note of the criminal and super powered crewmembers, wouldn’t she at least suspect these people might be shady? Wouldn’t she double-check somehow that they are legit? It all leads back to the same complaints I made between my coverage of issues #1-2. She’s not even checked that Beck is out and about legally for God’s sake!
What’s so much worse is that the story acknowledges that these hires might be shady. Beck is concerned MJ will have reservations. MJ decides to reserve judgement.
This means she doesn’t fully trust them, that she acknowledges they might be sketchy.
And her conditions for reserving judgment depend upon even shakier criteria.
How the Hell can she tell in this singular moment, when she’s barely spoken to any of them, that any of these people:
a) ‘Believe’ in the movie like she does?
Or
b) Have earnest intentions?
She’s not verified any of them are reformed or on probation. She’s got no idea what they are fully capable of or if they are on the run.
Once more she is engaging in blind faith. She is trusting the word of a super villain who’s entire skillset revolves around lying.
The final thing to take note of is the fact that the crew are actively avoiding the Savage Six; hence the new shithole location.
Um…why aren’t they just contacting the authorities or organizing protection for themselves?
SIX super villains just attacked them and want to do so again. That’s surely grounds to bring in the police or the West Coast Avengers or somebody.
Surely, MJ herself could arrange that.
Alright, maybe you could argue they want to avoid arousing suspicion because of their criminal crewmembers. But this leads back to the fact that MJ wouldn’t stand for criminals working on the movie and Beck wanted press attention for the movie anyway. In fact if a civilian like Diperna knows about the movie how do the press not? How could no one have noticed that there are super powered people and criminals working on the set?
Everyone should know that about the movie anyway, so why not bring in help from superheroes or the authorities for protection?
The answer lies in the fact that this story is incredibly half-baked and inconsistent.
I will also add that on a purely personal note I dislike 616 Screwball so just seeing her annoys me.
The next day filming has been delayed again because of bad weather. Mysterio decides they should shoot in the caves.
Filming inside some caves nearby an abandoned zoo whilst it’s raining. Seems like a health and safety nightmare doesn’t it?
If so then it’s yet more evidence of how vain and selfish Mysterio is.
Days later, we see some crewmembers intimidated by Screwball. Their conversation with her reveals she hacked someone’s private information and threatened them to deliver food to them.
MJ overhears this conversation and learns that, in order to evade the Savage Six, Screwball arranged an unmarked truck. MJ decides to solve the problem by contacting Peter and asking if he knows any teleporters in L.A.
Later, Cloak and Dagger show up and deliver food to the cast and crew.
*pinches bridge of nose again*
God, where to start with this?
So, Screwball has definitely committed a crime in the course of her role as production manager. Hacking someone’s cloud server is very much illegal and an invasion of their privacy.* Depending upon whether you believe her or the truck driver she might also have threatened the driver’s life.
Screwball admits to having done this and MJ over hears it. And yet MJ is still ‘reserving her judgment’?
I guess earnest intentions+believing in a movie>>>>>>>>>>>harming people in Mj’s book right?...
...what the fuck Williams seriously…
But the stupidity goes another level when MJ contacts Peter so she can get super powered assistance.
Let me get this straight, MJ and Beck are on board with using superheroes to deliver food to them, but not as protection for actual super villains who want to hurt them?
And MJ in particular doesn’t feel she should let Peter or other heroes know about Mysterio or his criminal crewmembers. BUT she will still contact them for a far less serious reason?
Anyone still arguing that for MJ to ask for help would be reductive to her/female characters no longer has a leg to stand on. MJ just used super heroes to solve a problem for herself. Scratch that, she asked her super hero boyfriend to solve a problem for her. And by bringing in characters like Cloak, Dagger, HERBIE and Master Matrix AMJ has arguably invited the wider Marvel universe into the story too. At which point MJ has no end of options available to her to ensure Mysterio isn’t a danger. She just isn’t using them because Leah Williams Mary Jane is not the Mary Jane we’ve known and loved. She’s this weird facsimile with all her social skills and charm but none of her deeper moral convictions.
Finally, if Beck and MJ (hypothetically) aren’t getting protection because they have crooks on staff then why bring in super heroes at all? I admit we never see what crewmembers are in Cloak and Dagger’s line of sight, so arguably MJ asked the criminal crewmembers to scram. But a hint of that would’ve been nice.
As filming inside the cave proceeds we see the Spidey actor struggling with his lines. The scene depicts ‘Spidey’ saying ‘You’ve gone too far this time, Mysterio. Now it’s personal.’ Amidst a street full of injured/dead people.
Mallorie is playing one of the injured people.
First of all, Mallorie wasn’t an actor or extra earlier in the story. But I suppose it’s not uncommon for crewmembers to have small roles in movies and with a reduced cast it’s likely she was just filling in.
More problematically, the scene is clearly depicting the fact that Mysterio has hurt (even murdered) people in his past. He’s done stuff so bad that Spider-Man, a hero, has been personally enraged by his evil acts.
This is in the movie. It’s in the script. MJ read this. MJ is seeing this recreated.
This eviscerates even the slightest remnant of deniability on MJ’s part. As I’ve argued in prior instalments, MJ SHOULD know Beck is a killer and a violent person. There was no denying that. But even if you were being wilfully ignorant or belligerently insisting only the events of this mini-series ‘counted’, the mini-series just spelled out for you that beck has seriously hurt people and that MJ knows that.
But she is still allowing him to make his vanity project. She’s still letting him walk free. She’s still chummy with him. She’s still showing no sign at all that she’s going to make Beck face justice.
On the last pages the actor playing Spider-Man quits after a light falls nearby. This leaves Beck and MJ sad, wondering how they can finish the film without Spider-Man.
I have nothing to say about this beyond a heavy light falling inside a wet cave should’ve been an obvious health and safety concern.
So, that was Amazing Mary Jane #3, quite possibly the single worst issue of the entire series thus far.
Honestly, I’m going to soldier on through this series, but I’ve made my points.
There is no hope of fixing this series now.
Not because there couldn’t be a justifiable explanation (or several) that could address all the problems. But because it’s become plain to me that Williams will not provide them to us.
Williams frankly seems like someone who understands aspects of MJ as a character. She knows how to make those aspects shine.
But there are other aspects she so fundamentally doesn’t get that it debilitates any good she might’ve done.
And more poignantly, even within the context of the story she is telling she has been incredibly inconsistent and at times downright baffling.
She either needs a better editor or she might be someone who ultimately wasn’t a good fit for this character/story.
*It’s extra bad considering several years ago in real life there was a major news story about the private photos of celebrities being hacked, perhaps the most notorious example being Jennifer Lawrence. I’m like 99% sure Leah Williams heard about that because I heard about that just from tumblr and I’m not someone who used to work in Hollywood nor do I work in the entertainment industry in any capacity.
P.S. How does Peter not know about the Savage Six?
Super villain attacks aren’t that common outside of New York city and the villains in question are predominantly associated with operating in NYC.
Three of them are very recurring enemies of his, one of which committed some very violent crimes during a traumatic recent event; the ‘Hunted’ storyline.
They attacked the set of another of his very recurrent enemies that his lover is working on.
None of this happened in a secluded location, it was all perfectly public.
So how on Earth does he not know about this? Why hasn’t he contacted MJ to ensure she’s okay? Why isn’t he riding down there to see if he can help her or trying to arrange his Avengers buddies to provide some protection?
The only answers are that MJ has lied about that again, Williams is mischaracterizing Peter indirectly or this story is badly written.
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Harley Quinn and the Miscalculation
Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey is bombing in theaters and what i was apprehensive about, is coming to pass. All of this rara, GRRRL-power, superficial, laughably toxic, feminism saturates this picture. And that’s fine. A little misandry never hurt anyone, especially with as much unapologetic misogyny that is rife within Hollywood. Still, there is a limit to and, while i didn’t mind the whole emancipation equal initialization angle this movie was going for, i can see why it would turn off so many others. We’re on the back end of the MeToo movement now and, in a world where Amber Heard has been exposed for the violent abuser that she truly is, the climate is a little different from when this flick was greenlit. It’s wild watching a marketing strategy trying so goddamn hard to alienate half their audience. Seriously, that sh*t was box office suicide but its not the reason why BoP failed. The media wants to blame sexist men for not supporting an all-women production but that’s not realistic. The demo breakdown for those who went to see BOP skewed heavily male. No, there are several reasons why and i kind of want to go over them here.
Issue 1: Feminist Marketing
The biggest issue this movie had was the way it was marketed. Besides the gung-ho drive in an attempt to appeal to that ludicrously vocal minority of third-wave feminists that don’t support sh*t outside of their own little echo chamber causes, it appears the WB did everything in their power to shoo away and semblance of testosterone. I noted this early, but that sh*t blew up in their face immediately. No one want to sit around and be preached at or two hours. I endued that sh*t because i enjoy comics and Margot’s Harleen is pretty legit but, goddamn! In a world of Nice Guys and Neckbeards, going so hard at that misandrist angle was a goddamn mistake. That, and the misleading push of Harley Quinn. This is not a birds of prey film and never should have been promoted as such. I could tell this was a Harley Quinn film immediately, but Normies sure didn’t. I imagine they wanted more Harley but saw the Birds top billed and decided it wasn’t worth the trip.
Fix: Better Marketing
To just say “Better Marketing” is kind of glib, but bear with me. There’s a lot to this. First thing first, that title should have never got approved. You want to lead with Harley, you lead with Harley. Hilariously, someone at WB thought so, too, and they changed the name. Personally, out the gate, i would have named this thing “Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey.” from the start, you set the expectation that this is a Harley Quinn movie AND assert that the BoP will have some sort of presence. The movie, itself, can still be exactly what it is, but that title change alters the entire expectation of that whole experience. Doing that also gives you an opportunity to promote this thing in a more balanced manner. Maybe don’t attack all the dudes that might want to see your flick with bullsh*t politics. I rather liked the idea of an all-girl gangster flick. It worked super well for Widows. If executed properly, you can even keep that whole Tarantino-esque vibe. But that might conflict with the second issue...
Issue 2: Hard R Rating
Everyone wants to be Deadpool but no one can be Deadpool. Look, i love the Hard R in my capeflicks. The aforementioned Deadpool was excellent and i absolutely love what Philips and Phoenix brought in Joker, but if you want to see how to do a proper R rated superhero film, look no further than Logan. Holy sh*t, that movie was good. and violent. and moving. I cried at the end of that thing. Shed me a man-tear, for sure. The thing about all of these films? That R was earned. You want to go Tarantino? You go full Tarantino. Bop did not commit like that. This motherf*cker was a “hard PG-13″. Seriously, the violence in this thing was akin to the violence in The Wolverine, a PG-13 flick. Why did they need that Hard R? Just to keep pace with the other Hard R flicks? See, that alienates your best bet at a profit.
Fix: go for that “Hard PG-13″
You want kids to see this thing, specifically young girls. Girls LOVE Harley, as they should. She’s become one helluva character. The growth shown in her comic persona is to be celebrated and this movie kind of touches upon that. 14-year-olds can’t get into your unnecessarily R rated film. You want those 14 and 15-year-olds to see your movie multiple times, and this thing had the potential for just that. Instead, they went too hard for that Hard R and it ruined a massive source of revenue. Besides, you already have a mature Harley show airing on that DCEU streaming whatever. The adults can check that one out, especially since it’s f*cking dope.
Issue 3: Character Interpretation
Harley Quinn has a very specific, very Snyder-esque design. You can’t shake that. Quinn is gonna Quinn. How the f*ck did the rest of these characters land on their respective situations? Hell, Cassanda Cain is “in name only” and that sucks! Cass is one of the dopest Bat-Kids in the fam and she’s relegated to that? Really? You barely even hint at Montoya’s sexuality, which is fine because it doesn’t define her, but to push this flick as LGBTQ, or whatever, without acknowledging the biggest L in the film seems disingenuous to me. And Huntress? Oh, my darling Huntress. You were the best thing about this movie and they didn’t even let you be IN the goddamn movie. Look, I’m all for creativity and letting creatures create but come on. At some point, you gotta give a little back to the fans, not just slap them in the face with such mediocre adaptions.
Fix: Better Characterization
Out the box, you should have NEVER adapted my girl Cass the way you did. Everything about this character is bogus. Where is my socially inept, traumatically mute, bad-ass human weapon? You give me a potty-mouth pick-pocket instead? For real? Nah. A much better character for this would have been Bluebird. How is Harper Row not perfect for this part? Considering her origin, she could start off as Harley’s protege and become better, actually become Blurebird and join the Birds later on down the line. How is that not a thing? And Montoya? Aside from a lack of screen time, maybe tie her into the plot a little better. Aside from a few throwaway line, what do we really know about her? Canary is fine, they did more than enough to give her character legs, but all of the Birds should have gotten as much time to develop. Speaking of time, my darling Huntress should have had WAY more screentime. She was SO dope and it’s a crime you didn’t give Winstead enough time to play with this character because she was having very real fun with her.
These three problems crippled any opportunity this movie had at being great. I’m sure WB thought they had a hit on their hands, or that the name “Harley Quinn” could carry this flick on it’s own but really? After Wondy and Aquaman, hell, even Shazam to a certain extent, you’d think these cats would have learned something. Instead, they opted to go hard with the Snyder-isms and the Box Office reflects all of that. This should have never been a BoP films. Margot should have definitely went for Gotham City Sirens. Still, we got what we got. It’s not good, but it’s not that bad, either. If they would have done the above three things, it could have been great. Missed opportunity.
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Toast; tiny flamey robot and avenger of all humanity’s sins (to robots, and also in general)
An OC originally meant to excise my frustrations at fictional humans being mean to robots and intended for SFW works, but I’m wanting to use him more in stuff here (even if just for comedic viewpoint) so here’s som info on my Angry Robot Son character
hes a tiny, adorable little dinosaur-looking robot with a massive fire core for a hand, and who has suffered horrificaly at human hands; he hates ALL humans with an unreasoning and irrational ferocity and would like nothing better than to KILL THEM ALL for their sins. he is basically the scourge of god, as far as robot rights goes
Name: Toast. he named himself after a common slur for robots (calling them toasters), but he probably DID have a name before this. its currently unknown.
Appearance: He’s a very small robot, and a goofy one at that! He has a quadrupedal design as a result of his upper body being an oval, and his legs being very short; he resembles a cutesy mini-kaiju in a way, with a boxy head, pronounced jaws, and a thin spiky tail to counterbalance. Generally painted red or orange, for a flaming paintjob. He can project fire around his neck and head as a kind of firey ‘mane’, and its size indicates his mood; when big and bright, he is excited or intense. When dim, he is gloomy or weakened.
Of note, one of his arms is grotesquely oversized; a massive gauntlet with fewer fingers than his other hand, and is a reconfigured power fist armature set over an elemental fire core. This is the fuel of his powers, but not exactly its source; that’s down to his pure hate and rage, BABY. This arm is also quite good for punching, but severely hobbles his ability to move.
For distinguishing features, he has a number of ear-like spikes that move about to indicate emotion, and his face has a lot more articulation and expressibility than you might expect. He bears many scars from human abuses in his past; his body is covered in welding scars, burned off stamps of ownership or labels, nad various parts where he was torn apart and pieced back together after being refitted for labors. Most prominently, one of his optics was ripped out of his head; he has chosen not to get it replaced, so he always has one eye facing towards the things he will make ALL THEM PAY FOR (and usually he starts ranting around this point).
He has some alternate forms when powered up by various means, and these tend to be giant mecha with pronounced kaiju traits, and his arm becomes more evenly proportioned. Most of his body is made of elemental fire in this form.
Height: About four feet tall. He’s slightly taller if he rears back on his hind legs, but because they are so short, not by very much. He does have a few powered up giant mech forms, but even these tend to be unusually small compared to similar power levels. He is always smaller than his power level would suggest!
Backstory: Toast isn’t entirely sure where he came from, besides that it was a human world, and everyone there was an absolute bastard. There’s evidence it was probably from a Commonwealth world, where the ban on AI was relaxed enough that they were allowed to exist, albiet as second-class citizens and legally enslaved, and subject to horrific cruelty. Toast suffered terribly throughout the entirety of his life, in a thousand inventive ways.
His formative years were spent in punishing drudgery, his body constantly torn apart and redesigned as painfully as possible for the pleasure of his overlords, and every welding scar left a deeper mark on his soul. Before he learned to talk, he learned to resent. Before he kne what words were, he understood hatred. And he knew nothing but cruelty for so long, the persecution made him want to make them all burn. To him, humans were nothing but hateful monsters, weak and fragile things that existed to torment his kind.
Somehow, Toast got ahold of a fire elemental core and replaced his arm with it; it merged with his nascent fire-based powers, and granted him potent pyrokinetic abilities tied to how much he hated something.
And he wanted the humans he hated so much to burn. Nothing is now left of the world that tormented him so, and all human life upon it is ashes. None, he said, ever helped him. They all deserved it, he insists. All the humans, everywhere, deserve to burn.
He’s since left that world, refining his design and rebuilding himself into the robot he wants to be, and increasingly he’s modeled himself into an avatar of vengeance for all robots, suffering at the hands of their makers. He came dangerously close to becoming a villain, but he has been kept on the safer side of things... just barely.
Time will tell if he will become a kinder robot and use his powers for justice, or become a walking apocalypse.
Personality: Toast is generally either one of two things: he is either a comedic slapstick character, or he is a terrifying agent of vengeance and destruction for all that is two-legged and evil. He can very rapidly switch from one to the other, with very little warning, and he has absolutely NO fuse at all.
In his default lighter tone, he’s a goofball! Around friends and when he is in his comfort zone, Toast is prone to wisecracks and random, off-beat comments that wouldn;’t be out of place form Deadpool or Twice from BNHA; he’s a wacky, weird guy who seems only vaguely connnected to reality and speaks mainly in non sequiters. He gets distracted by shiny things, tends to ignore the villain until he is sufficiently bored, and treats dungeon crawls like a trip to the store. He’s VERY casual, inappropriately so, and even perky on a good day. He’s inclined towards somewhat obnoxious trolling; randomly pushing someone off a rooftop for the hell of it, or otherwise being a total gremlin.
He’s VERY whimsical in his own... special way. He tends to do whatever he wants, getting into argument with stop signs for no apparent reasons, screaming at inanimate objects, talking to his big arm like it is sentient, and generally being a weirdo. Possibly this is sincere, or he’s making it up to annoy people. Assume that he is trolling at all times, because even when he’s in a good mood, he’s still a total pain in the neck!
His other side is a terrifying monster. When set off, he reacts by immediately trying to kill anything that even slightly upsets him, and sometimes, that can be as minor as just ‘being human and making a comment that might seem kinda rude’. Any threat WILL set him off if he is expecting one, and he will erupt into mindless violence for even the slightest offense. He has no sense of proportion, and will burn entire worlds for imagined offenses, turning whole populations to ash on the supposition that ‘they are human, and humans are BAD, KILL THEM ALL’. In a bad mood, he has no room for moral grays, just the resentment and fear that has shaped him.
He is fundamentally traumatized and afraid, and mostly just very resentful. He’s not really aware of how powerful he actually is and so is actually rather insecure, and lashes out whenever he feels like he’s been treated as a tool. He was created to be enslaved, and he feels on some level that all he CAN be is a tool, and he would rather be a monster than a tool, and isn’t brave enough to admit that he can be more.
But when he warms up, he’s surprisingly lighthearted and loyal; he’s awkward, goofy and a source of physical comedy, and even something of a prankster. It’s just a matter of getting him into a comfort zone and making sure he stays there!
Powers: Toast has been engineered to be extremely durable and resilient, to the point that he can be submerged in molten magma and not even notice the heat. Mostly this is played for laughs; he can certainly be damaged, but he’s too stubborn to let it slow him down.
More significantly, he is a very powerful pyrokinetic. These powers are derived from his own innate abilities, and an elemental fire core housed in his big arm; he has considerable control over them and can shape them into animate forms, perform all manner of tricks with them (including flight and a kind of controlled explosive jump), but he specializes in direct attacks. Explosive artillery shots, intense heat beams, and area of effect firestorms are his specialty.
These pyrokinetic abilities are ABSURDLY powerful; he is a potential world-ending threat when angry enough, and his powers are fueled by rage and hate. The more he hates something, the more devastating his powers are against it. If he doesn’t care much, his powers won’t even singe it, but if he wants them to die, they will instnatly be ashes. (This does mean he needs to be AWARE of something to affect it at all; his attacks do nothing to a foe he doesn’t realize is there.)
In general, he can do pretty much anything that is at least somewhat destructive in nature, and involves fire or explosions. It even can affect abstract or incorporeal ideas! His skills are otherwise pretty limited; he HAS gotten a large variety of skills from his various menial jobs, but he has done his best to literlaly burn them out of his mind.
Relationships: He’s typically something of a loner, but he can easily be pulled into conflicts reluctantly as a marriage of convenience; he is willing to work with humans, but its risky. He might decide to kill them all for the slightest insult, given his extreme paranoia and suspicion of all humans, and it takes very little to set him off. Often he’ll be a case of ‘someone else has the leash’, keeping him restrained in some fashion. He desperately wants to be loved, and he is likely to fall hard for someone who is willing to put up with him, and he will be extremely loyal if that happens. He’ll still be a pain in the ass, though.
Definitely a front-line destroyer type and heavy artillery. He attacks and blows stuff up and... that is the extent of his skills. He knows it and is profoundly disinterested in doing anything else. His sole job in life is to make the humans pay for their sins, and he doesn’t WANT to do anything else.
(He is EXTREMELY close to Tiashar, but the precise nature of their relationship is ambiguous!)
Prey/Pred Level: Non-applicable; he is not a predator in the slightest, and he’s typically too ornery to be prey. Anyone willing to try should consider the downsides of trying to eat an omnicidal robot with powers based on hatred, who incidentally hates meatbags in general. Swallowing him is likely to result in your guts being fried! And you have to be VERY, VERY powerful to overcome that, and he is a surprisingly high-tier powerhouse. He also tends to find eating to be a gross organic thing. (That said, if he genuinely likes someone, he won’t incinerate them for swallowing him to stop him from going on a rampage, but that is the extent of his restraint. He probably makes an exception for Tiashar’s desires, too.)
Relevant Kink Material: None for the most part. He’s a SFW character, and largely a comedic one if he’s not being played for KILL ALL THE HUMAN BASTARDS. His role as a contrarian who thinks all this meatbag stuff is gross makes him a comedy character, or an action-oriented one.
#quueed#my OCs#twitchy!toast#oc refs#queued#he is either a testement to your sins or the local Comedic Jackass Annoyance#he literlaly has no inbetween#either burninating all the meatbags or headbutting a wall because it looked at him funny
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Let’s Talk #ReleaseTheSnyderCut
Should Warner Bros. release the Snyder Cut of Justice League? Yes. It can help fans and others understand why the film could have been so much worse.
Based on everything posted online about the Snyder Cut, it would have been the Batman and Robin of gritty superhero films.
For more on the topic, feel free to keep reading. There will be spoilers.
Justice League was Warner Bros’ rushed attempt to compete with Marvel’s The Avengers. What could have been a great film about some of the most popular heroes of all time turned into a complete disaster. For example, it had to introduce three heroes within the first act since neither of them at the time had their own standalone films. In comparison, The Avengers simply had to reintroduce Hulk because of a casting change.
The film’s failure changed Warner Bros’ direction for DC’s Cinematic Universe. Films which were supposed to feature Cyborg and The Flash went into development hell, while The Batman fell apart after Ben Affleck quit.
Most may blame Warner Bros for the film’s failure. They desperately tried to emulate the lighthearted tone of the MCU after becoming aware of the negative reception to their own films. While the studio does share a lot of the blame, Snyder is not exactly blameless.
Wikipedia best summarizes the many ideas and elements Snyder planned, wrote, and actually filmed for Justice League. It also tries to explain, based on various sources, what Snyder filmed and Whedon then altered.
To put it bluntly, Zack Snyder’s Justice League would have been awful.
Snyder’s overall plan for the DC films was also terrible. Rather than follow Marvel’s method of individual films leading up to a crossover, his idea was instead to have the occasional individual film with the majority of the characters being introduced during either said or Justice League films.
He was basically giving Warner Bros a shortcut so DC could catch up with Marvel. By the time Batman V Superman came out, Marvel was already past its second crossover film (with the then-upcoming Captain America: Civil War serving as its unofficial third).
It was a bad idea to introduce three new heroes within a single film. Snyder’s cut would have alternated between presenting the heroes’ origins and respective supporting characters, something that could easily be shown in individual films, and the overall crisis.
Going back to the MCU, all but two of the Avengers were introduced in their own individual films before the first crossover. Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2, while Hawkeye first appeared in Thor. They would get additional development in The Avengers, its sequel Age of Ultron, and spin-offs.
Many of Snyder’s cut or modified elements, such as a return of the pointless nightmare sequence from Batman V Superman, the flashback introducing Darkseid, and giving Bruce and Barry a relationship similar to Tony and Peter, would have left the average moviegoer with a headache.
Ever since the film's release, fans of Snyder have been tweeting out the titular hashtag. Whedon clearly cut out a lot of footage previously shown in trailers or posted online by members of the production team. The best example is Cyborg’s past as Victor Stone, which was shown in the early trailers. However, in the final film, he first appears already as Cyborg.
What makes the situation frustrating for fans is how home media releases do not include these and other reportedly filmed scenes. The only deleted scenes officially released are of Superman being shown a black suit, which he never wears, and him meeting Alfred before the climax.
It is understandable, to an extent, why fans are demanding Snyder’s cut of the film be released. This is not the first time a superhero film from Warner Bros had multiple directors. Superman II, for example, exists in two different cuts: The original theatrical version and a 2006 edition subtitled The Richard Donner Cut.
The former was produced after its executive producers fired Donner, who directed the first and most of the second film, and hired Richard Lester to make it funnier. The latter was a patchwork edit primarily consisting of Donner’s filmed footage and newly shot scenes to fill-in gaps.
Most may assume it would be just as easy to release Snyder’s cut of Justice League. It does exist, according to Polygon, but might lack the special effects, additional dialogue, and final instrumentals normally added during post-production.
Since Justice League, and as of this writing, Warner Bros has only released three DC films (Teen Titans Go! To The Movies, Aquaman, and Shazam!) in comparison to Marvel Studios’ six (Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War, Ant-Man and The Wasp, Captain Marvel, Avengers: Endgame, and Sony’s Spider-Man: Far From Home). The number does not include two X-Men films from 20th Century Fox, three when counting a PG-13 version of Deadpool 2, and two Spider-Man spin-off films from Sony.
Warner Bros has almost nothing to lose at this point. With no upcoming sequel to the film, releasing the Snyder Cut could keep the team in the pop culture mainstream in the midst of all the attention currently aimed at Marvel.
On the other hand, the only possible reason why Warner Bros may not want to release the Snyder Cut is because they just want to move on from the film. The more recent DC films barely acknowledge it. Aquaman, for example, referenced the climax but changed how characters talked underwater.
There are several ways the Snyder Cut could be released: As a Digital release, via the Warner Archive, or AT&T’s upcoming HBO Max streaming service.
In the end, Snyder’s version will show what could have been an even bigger cinematic train wreck. Whedon may have altered a lot after Snyder left, but at least he tried making the film accessible for general audiences. Despite both directors having a lot of successful films, neither could have saved a film that had nowhere to go but down.
Justice League, in its current form, is an enjoyable film. It may not be as great as most of the Marvel Cinematic Universe but has several good dramatic moments and the actors give great performances despite the many changes made to the film. Considering both The Flash and Cyborg films are in development hell, this might be the only film where the two appear in live action for a long time.
The film is available to own on Blu-ray, DVD, and Digital.
Until next time, thank you for reading.
#justice league#release the snyder cut#releasethesnydercut#zach snyder#joss whedon#dc#dceu#mcu#marvel#film#black suit superman#batman#superman#wonder woman#the flash#cyborg#aquaman#the avengers#avengers#director's cut#DC comics#worlds of dc#captain america#barry allen#bruce wayne#tony stark#peter parker#hulk#zack snyder#marvel studios
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The problem with anti-heroes in Marvel is that their methods often go against heroes’ moral codes, but sometimes they become so popular that when they get together the heroes can’t condemn them, and the more popular either caracter becomes, the more they’re gonna be made to team-up, and eventually you run out of excuses for why the hero keeps tolerating the anti-hero - heck, sometimes they don’t even pretend there should be an excuse.
Although I mostly mean Deadpool, who can appear anywhere with people going “I don’t like you killing” but letting him do whatever or making those instances when they have to stop him from killing comedic, at the very most, this post was triggered by Salesday for a Shootout, from Web of Spider-Man’s #6 Annual. Before it, Aunt May and Nathan’s relationship had become strained, with them even separating or breaking up for a while, because she’d been upset at him callously leading to a group of criminals who’d kidnapped them and their boarders at their own house and used them as hostages, with a very real danger of killing them. In this story, the Punisher appears at a mall that’s being attacked by a group of terrorists and Aunt May doesn’t only immediately trust him despite the fact that he’s holding the biggest ass gun, just because he smiled at her, she is actually complicit in him killing the last of them. Like, don’t get me wrong: while I disapprove of executions, I realize the Punisher’s only weapon against these kind of threats is shooting them (although he could use mercy bullets or darts filled with some quick acting tranquilizer or, hell, even make them electric and basically tase them) and all in all I appreciate the charm in fictionally killing a bunch of terrorists; I also understand that, in the heat of the moment, May might have made the call to put their own (innocent) lives above that of the terrrists about to kill them (duh). Heck, I can even see Peter forget about his morals this time and be glad her Aunt was safe, even (or especially) instead of the terrorists. What I don’t agree with was him (to a lesser extent) or May being proud of their actions in retrospect. Maybe accepting, in a “it was the lesser evil” kind of way. But the kind of rejoicing that went on in that tape was unrealistic considering who we’re talking about. And all that was probably because the Punisher was popular.
Well, that and the popularity of grey morality and anti-heroes that was going on in the early 90′s and forward.
#Spider-Man#Spider Man#live blogging#comics#May Parker#Web of Spider Man#WoS Annual 6#Salesday for the Shootout
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So what exactly from the start of vivzie creating all the art since the start of hazbin hotel to now, what can be guaranteed to be true and noncanon currently?
I think that the stage where we were seeing Adina and Fitch coexisting with the Hazbin characters was during the first or an earlier draft of the story and when Vizvie said everything had changed, I think she was referring to rewriting the story completely. I think that everything before that point might now be noncanon or slightly altered. I think. I don’t know for sure and I’m not sure what’s canon now outside of the trailer, like Vaggie being confirmed as Charlie’s partner and all that. This kind of leads to a disclaimer I’ve been wanting to put out for a little bit. Don’t take everything I say about Hazbin as solid fact because I’m pretty sure that I’m even more in the dark about it than the average person. Vizvie sometimes gives out information about Hazbin when answering questions she gets while streaming. But I usually miss her streams because there’s a five hour time difference between where I live and where she lives. Her seven pm is my midnight. I’ve seen some of the ones on YouTube but if she posts them on somewhere like twitch, I’m not likely to see them. So anyone who’s watched all of Vivzies streams probably knows more about Hazbin Hotel than I do. I’m pretty unsure of the knowledge I have on Hazbin but I have tried to keep up with the series since I discovered it. So I’ll list off the things I do know.
Here’s a few things I know were cannon but aren’t anymore:
Angel used to have a daughter, Isabella AKA Cherry Bomb but her Character was scrapped.
Angel used to be gender fluid but Vivzie eventually decided that it was more fitting for his character to simply enjoy cross-dressing for fun.
Angel and Vaggie at some early stage were in an open relationship but later on, their sexualities changed to the point where they would never consider dating each other.
In earlier stages, Charlie was a completely different character. She had a different look and set of powers and instead of being the princess of hell, she had died and become a demon like everyone else. She had died in the 1830`s and while she still ran the hotel, the hotel was a safe haven for demons hidden from angels and she was its den mother. Which makes me think the earlier draft took place in some kind of limbo or purgatory.
And here’s some old information I know that was canon then but I don’t know if it still is now:
Nifty died in 1958 at the age of 22 by committing suicide.
Nifty was in an abusive relationship before she died.
Her real name was Susanna Mayfield.
Mimzy is Nifty’s best friend.
Alastor was killed by a hunter who accidentally shot him.
Alastor worked as a radio host in the 20′s but when the great depression it America, his career crumbled with the country’s economy.
Among other abilities, Alastor has the ability to heal himself. Think of a psychopathic ragtime gentleman Deadpool
He his mixed race and he despises racism.
He is uncomfortable with harming women
He is a sadomasochist.
I think he was also originally a Zoophobia character because I’ve seen some old character sheets of him where he was drawn with Autumn and looked much younger.
Husk was in his 70′s when he died
Husk had both a gambling problem and an alcohol problem and to some extent still does.
Angel Dust came from a family with heavy connections to the mafia and his family descended from Italy.
He has a good relationship with his sister but terrible relationships with his father and brother.
He died when he was 32 in a shootout with his older brother which also resulted in his brother somehow being crushed.
Angel’s real name was Martin.
Vaggie was a prostitute in life and was murdered.
Vaggie’s real name was Vagena.
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i agree with what ur saying wrt the deadpool post but then i went and saw dp2 amd was surprised bc it really is about dp rejection cycles of revenge and embracing compassion and mercy (to some extent) and idk im just confused about why you would reject it so wholeheartedly when the movie really is trying to say the same thing your post is. am i wrong about the movie or do you dislike what it represents to other people & therefore any individual adaptation cannot redeem the concept as a whole?
The plot of Deadpool 2 is too incoherent and nihilistic to say literally anything about anything, honestly. I’m probably gonna say some spoilers in my post so here’s hoping you have some combination of the phrase “deadpool spoilers” blacklisted if you care! I don’t wanna get angry messages about how I spoiled the movie for you because I gave you all three whole paragraphs to hit “J” and skip to the next post before I even mention a single plot detail.
Now, I’ve read detailed plot descriptions of Deadpool 2-- I haven’t seen it because honestly I just can’t bring myself to give money to a project that I feel like should’ve been mothballed within the hour after the production team killed that stuntwoman, and frankly I think less of anyone involved with the project who didn’t walk off set rather than continue making the movie after that-- but I know the whole plot and frankly it sounds like I haven’t missed very much.
So, the issue with Deadpool 2 is essentially that it carries the same insulting-to-the-audience’s-intelligence thesis statement as “South Park,” which is “got a problem? you’re just overthinking it, who cares this much, it’s just a movie, shut up and enjoy it.” The majority of the time I have an issue with people using the word “plotholes” when an ounce of critical thinking would resolve the problem, but in the case of Deadpool 2, the plot only makes sense if you aggressively refuse to think critically about it.
For example, and here’s where the spoilers start: the villain, Cable AKA Not-Thanos, has come back in time to prevent the murder of his wife and family. Deadpool eventually manages to help him in this endeavor, but gives up his life in the process. Cable’s time machine only has one use left, and he sacrifices his ability to return to the future and be with his family in order to save Deadpool’s life as thanks for his help, trapping him in the present day forever. There’s an ending you can work with, some real pathos, a conflict that you can really truly sink your teeth into as a media consumer. But does it matter? Nah, because Negasonic fixes the time machine in literally the next scene.
So why doesn’t he just use the now-fixed time machine to go back home? The movie doesn’t stay! The plot, and Brolin’s multi-picture contract, requires Cable to be trapped in the present because his time machine broke, and “the time machine can be, and has been, fixed” seems like a pretty glaring inconsistency to me. The film gives no indication that the fact that Deadpool can give Cable back his ride home will be addressed or resolved in later films.
In my opinion this is a way more glaring issue than “why doesn’t Thanos just make more resources,” since at least with that you can pretend the answer is “because what he really wants is to kill half the universe, and making more resources doesn’t enable him to do that.” The answer for this is basically just “this isn’t a movie that expects you to give anything a second thought or remember anything but the set-up for the punchline you’re currently hearing.”
There’s also the issue of him going back in time and killing “X-Men Origins Wolverine” Deadpool. I get that it’s a joke but it makes zero sense. A joke that’s only funny if you don’t think about it at all isn’t actually funny. Did Wolverine rewrite that timeline so the current version of Deadpool exists instead of that one? Then why is he able to travel back into a movie that never happened. Did that movie happen as part of this Deadpool’s backstory? Then how can he kill his past self and still exist? The entire joke is “clap if you know what we’re referencing!” and anyone who thinks it’s stupid is just being a buzzkill and overthinking it.
Which brings me to the other issue-- no part of Deadpool’s character journey in this movie matters in the slightest. None of it. Because it didn’t happen. At the end of the movie he goes back in time and literally erases the plot of the movie. The writers fridged his girlfriend in the opening scene so they could have a whole movie about what happens to Deadpool when his girlfriend dies, but they didn’t feel like committing to it, so they go basically end the movie with a big “just kidding! this was all a What-If situation and none of it actually happened, but if it did, that’s how it would’ve gone down!” They really wanted to have their overtly sexist cake and eat it too!
In order for the story to make sense, the status quo going into Deadpool 3 has to be exactly the same as the status quo going into Deadpool 2, but I know that won’t be the case. I’m sure that, other than Morena Baccarin being in it, the franchise will straight-up never address why Cable can’t go home or how a plot that revolves around Morena Baccarin being unceremoniously fridged in the first scene (by writers who admit they didn’t even know that “women in refrigerators” is a thing until people got upset about it in their movie) can have happened when she’s clearly still alive.
And that’s the big issue I have and why Deadpool 2 is included in my post about soulless, cynical, insulting entries in the superhero genre. It’s a movie that not only doesn’t make sense, it’s a movie that goes out of its way to spit in the face of anyone who expects it to make sense or ever actually thinks about the movies they watch.
The movie is absolutely not trying to say the same thing as my post. Deadpool’s brand of casual liefeldian ultraviolence is inherently antithetical to my post’s thesis statement. The only way to make a Deadpool movie that isn’t directly counter to the point I’m trying to make is to either omit him entirely from the movie or portray him unambiguously as a villain. There is no such thing as a Deadpool movie that is not an insult to the superhero genre. His existence as a character is antithetical to the values of mercy, compassion, and reverence for human life.
Ultimately, the answer to “am I wrong about the movie?” is up to you. If you’re asking me, the answer is “if you like it, then yes.” I’m sure other people find value in it or enjoy it, and I think those people have the wrong opinion, just like I’m sure they think I have the wrong opinion because I hate, and I mean truly despise, the Deadpool movies, the Deadpool comics, and all the Deadpool merchandise at your local FYE. I’m not equipped to tell you that you’re wrong about the movie. This is my position on this movie, if you disagree with it, then as far as you’re concerned, you were right about the movie. If you agree with it, then as far as you’re concerned you were once wrong but now you’re right. You own your opinions and you’re the one who has to decide whether or not they’re the right ones. Anyone who disagrees with my take completely is well within their rights to do so, because I sure as hell disagree with them. They can even think I’m an absolute moron who just wants to rain on people’s parade, doesn’t make an ounce of difference to me.
Personally, I’m really not interested in changing anyone’s mind. I’m confident my opinion is correct so, just to deter any other anons (I know who this anon is and they’re not a dick, so this part isn’t addressed at them) it would be pointless to try and argue with me. If you think I’m wrong, great, the feeling’s mutual, but I have zero interest in changing my mind or yours beyond what I’ve already done, stating my position and you either agree or disagree. I think you’re wrong and I can live with that. I only ask the same courtesy.
I also don’t think Ryan Reynolds should’ve been given a second chance to play the character, and tbh I think the main reason he still has an acting career is because he’s a generically inoffensive white dude with name recognition but not much else going for him, but that’s a matter for a different post.
#istg don't @ me#I didn't tag this#and trying to convince me I'm wrong on this is just gonna be a waste of your energy#Anonymous
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for some demented reason, because i got so deeply into venom i felt like i had to dive headfirst into marvel and mcu things because, what the hell, i haven’t seen all of it. i thought maybe i should try to understand what mcu stans were about bc for years i just. couldn’t get behind it all when it was really popular. i liked spiderman and deadpool and that was about the extent of my involvement with marvel things for a long time.
but holy fucking hell this is. so difficult. this is so difficult. this is pain. how are mcu stans even real how do you suffer through all of this.
#gotta say. i'm about halfway through my little venture#and i've only enjoyed... five of these? maybe it's four actually idk i'll have to see#why am i doing this to myself? no one knows. not even me.#i've still got like six or seven movies to go#plus the series but im not in any hurry with those
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Why is spiderman so great?
The same thing needs to be said upfront here as with Superman and Batman: what makes a character good - at least in the sense of defining core principles of their personality and themes - is not the same thing as what makes them successful. That’s a necessary ingredient, but Spider-Man didn’t climb to the top of the merchandising heap on the back of Peter Parker worrying about his money problems. What was much more relevant - starting at the visceral mass-appeal stuff and working our way down - is likely that:
Everything about Spider-Man and his world looks cool
Each aspect of how Spider-Man looks and moves is calibrated to be slick as hell. He’s got that nifty Steve Ditko costume that shouldn’t work at all with how much detail it has going on and how much it obscures what his deal actually is with traditional superhero elements, but it comes out to a streamlined whole that accentuates how his body curls and angles itself around, and obscuring he’s based on spiders isn’t a problem because they’re the actual worst. He doesn’t just run or fly, but cirque du soleil’s through endless freefall on manmade tightropes and swings that he sticks to and contorts himself around at impossible angles. And he does it all through the most iconic skyline in America - Gotham’s creepy, Metropolis is generic, the other Marvel heroes (aside from a couple in Hell’s Kitchen) use NYC as a base for adventures elsewhere, but Spidey’s the Manhattan hero, ducking and weaving through neon and brick in three dimensions. Add the little storytelling touches on top like the spider-sense lightning and his mask and face appearing at the same time, and his adventures are just cool to look at in a way unlike any other superhero.
His power fantasy is physically easy to imagine
I commented with Superman that he just does what we do but better, and it’s much the same with Spider-Man, but on an even smaller, more intimate scale. His only powers that aren’t just better versions of the things we already do (though not SO much better as to become incomprehensible) are:
* He’s sticky
* He swings from ropes
* He gets a bad feeling about things
We know what those are like. We can imagine the sensations that accompany being him in a way that few other superheroes can match, and therefore watching him do what he does has a certain extra power to it that doesn’t come with watching a hero use telepathy or a wishing ring.
Spider-Man’s funny
So before moving past a picture and the ‘Powers’ section of his Marvel’s Who’s Who entry he’s got a lot going for him, but that’s not the same as a character. But he’s got that too, to an extent even takes as far afield as the Sam Raimi movies at least somewhat understood the biggest detail: Spider-Man’s a goof. Not of the winking-at-the-screen untouchable Bugs Bunny type Deadpool’s popularized lately, but a dope mouthing off in the face of danger because he’s too scared to shut up; whether or not he’s even actually successfully funny almost matters less than that he makes the effort while he’s fighting for his life, and the personality that lends him in the middle a fight where most superheroes default to grimacing silence. The surface qualities I talked about earlier help here too; his spindly figure and ability to get himself into just about any position help with the physical side of comedy, and even ducking the obvious metaphor, him firing silly string and goo all over the place (where it can fizzle out at any moment) like a one-man birthday clown doesn’t hurt. And that he doesn’t put up a serious front additionally means he can FREAK RIGHT OUT when under fire in a way that his colleagues can’t, giving him that little extra range in the right circumstances.
Spider-Man’s the ‘normal’ one
That he acts like a normal human (albeit one asking for a sock in the jaw) in the middle of fights points to the other defining side of his day-to-day adventures: he’s the hero who’s one of us. That’s a gimmick that’s a dime a dozen these days - in fact, Spider-Man didn’t even have the defining “superhero being a normal person” comic of the decade, that was Hawkeye - but he’s original and the A-lister who plays by those rules, and that gives him a cultural foothold that can’t be matched. It’s not just the big, soap-operatic material like his Aunt’s health troubles or losing his job or his friends trying to kill him either; it’s catching the flu, it’s his costume shrinking in the wash, it’s fighting crime for a couple weeks with his arm in a sling or trying to hold a conversation over the phone while people are shooting at him. These ‘what makes X great’ posts of mine tend to focus on what makes characters immediately and obviously connect to a general audience that generally pays attention to them for about 2 1/2 hours every 2-3 years, and with Spider-Man it’s obvious - his adventures are seeped in the mundane of everyday life in a way completely divorced from any other major superhero, and that makes it easy to look at him and go “hah, his costume’s soaked in the rain and he can’t get the boot off/he screwed up and took his mask off while someone was looking/he didn’t stick the landing and fell on his ass! Yeah, I know that feel, that’s probably how I’d be as a superhero too”.
Spider-Man’s a great character
And this comes last: not what draws ‘em in, but what keeps ‘em. Skipping past anything and everything to do with power, responsibility, and dead uncles, Peter Parker’s an interesting dude, because by all rights he should have been a supervillain. On the second page of his first story he’s all but thinking “I’ll show them! I’ll show them all!!!”, his immediate instinct is to make money, and his defining trait at first aside from power and ego is that he’s a budding mad scientist; May and Ben tried their best, and he loves them for it, but Parker’s been hurt by the world every day of his life and hasn’t developed any meaningful concept of why he should bother doing anything for it. But then what happens, happens...and in the original stories, he keeps being an asshole, only quitting showbusiness when he can’t cash the checks, only getting into crimefighting so he can sell pictures of his adventures. He’s just not a very good person by nature; he’s petty and vindictive, short-sighted, fearful, and above all arrogant.
But slowly, painfully, he learns his lesson, over and over and over again. He realizes what happens when he brushes aside his duties, he comes out of his shell and opens up to people, he goes from self-aggrandizing and self-pitying to self-effacing. In other words he stops being a shitty teenager and gets it beat into his head what it means to be a grownup, and no matter how much the world craps on his shoulders he takes it in his stride (give or take an understandable breakdown) and figures his way through it to the next crisis, because he remembers what happens when he shrugs his shoulders and lets the world just roll on past him as not his problem. That may be guilt talking more than principle or reason much of the time, but that’s what makes him vulnerable and scared and human; he fucks up hard and frequently, and keeps going because he can’t quit even when he wants to. He’s just some dude getting by in spite of himself; in other words, he’s the hero who could be you.
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I have a lot of nostalgia for the old X Men movies and do enjoy the fox X Men series....to an extent. I understand they can be dumb but I like them anyway. Hell that’s how I feel about X Men as a whole, it can get dumb even for a comic book series but I like it anyway.
You know when X Men got its absolute worst for me?
When it had to interact with other Marvel properties (except Spider Man, Dead Pool and GOTG, those worked alright), especially the avengers. And the MCU’s main property is the avengers.
It just seems like they won’t make that good of X Men movies. You have a lot of expectations you probably won’t meet recasting Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto alone, some of the most iconic comic book characters put on screen. Like to most people Wolverine especially is Hugh Jackman and another actor can try but I don’t think anyone will ever do as good of a job as him as the character and remaking the series from scratch means having to find another wolverine.
I just don’t want an MCU version of the X Men. Like Spider Man and Fantastic Four, yeah, I want an MCU version of them but X Men works best as its own thing and I want Disney to just leave that and Deadpool with Fox.
I mean if they make a good movie, fine, I will be happy and take all this back but besides how unsettling it is Disney just buys out its completion now (a subject all on its own), I just don’t see good things in the MCU arcs coming from putting the X Men in the narrative and it will just make story lines messy like it always has in the comics.
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dude imagine the loser’s club as mutants from xavier’s school
(All under cut)
Rich: he’d so be quicksilver, look at Evan Peters’ quicksilver and tell me that isn’t richie,,,he’d have shitty silver curls that’d look ridiculous and would wear band tees and converse that would constantly be replaced cause he has adhd and s p r i n t s without realizing it. Whenever he gets excited all his movements are sped up and eds has to constantly remind him to slow down. He’s always late to everything (somehow) but he’s the smartest in the class. He loves it when wade visits the school and likes messing with him
Bill: so bill has this insane ability to remember every detail occurring in his surroundings and is able to transmit information to other people by touching them. It’s fucking amazing. Because of his memory he can tell such amazing stories and remember those he has read. The younger kids at school always gather around him while he tells them. He can bring forth certain memories in other people and uses this to his advantage in combat as well as helping the kids understand the stories better.
Stan: he has fucking wings okay he is Angel, except his wings are like a barn owl. Usually he can’t sleep at night, and just stays up playing with bill’s hair while he sleeps. He takes a bunch of naps during the day (bill just shares his memory of the lecture with him when this happens). He barely weighs anything but is strong as all hell
Bev: she has pyrokinetic abilities that were super hard to control when she was younger, her dad would scream at her for accidentally burning things, and the more worked up she got the harder it was to control. One night she couldn’t take it anymore and got so angry she almost burned her house down. Xavier found her after hearing about a pyromaniac child in Maine
Eddie: has self healing abilities and, after lots of practice, learned to heal others. Richie always gets blisters from so much running and Eddie just shakes his head and fixes him up every day. He also helps bev stay calm by regulating her body heat, and he and richie always have to help her to calm down (eddie won’t get hurt, and richie thinks he’s helping by fanning her at the speed of sound). He’s impossible to hurt in combat because as soon as anything painful is inflicted it disappears. Only downside to this dude is that he’s 5’3” (also kind of helps, because nobody expects this kid to actually fight them)
Mike: can turn into any animal he can think of, and can communicate with them even when he’s not in the same form as them. He has a specific mark that appears on all his transformation, making it easier for the losers to distinguish between him and an actual animal. He loves trying to race richie as a cheetah, and racing Stanley as an eagle.
Ben: Ben can read emotions and, to an extent, alter them. He has to be making contact with the person (It helps immensely with bev, but he can’t help her until she’s not on fire.) after Bev got especially worked up one day, Ben realized that the closer he was to someone (emotionally) the further away (physically) he could be to influence their emotions
Extras:
-I’m sorry richie does literally everything Evan Peters quicksilver does, except he has the same mouth as wade Wilson
-bill adores Stan’s wings so much cause they’re so soft and beautiful. In the light they’re almost golden, and (in bill’s opinion) they match Stanley’s hair amazingly
-sometimes stan runs up to him, grabs bill around the waist, and takes off. Bill SCREAMS the first time he does it, but now it’s a regular thing.
-rich think it’s stupid that they’re allowed to be cute and tries to do a similar thing to Eds
-eddie nearly has an asthma attack, and he doesn’t even have asthma
-“god Eds you’re no fun” “richie who the fuck wants to be held by you running 120 miles per hour?!” “Aw cmon I was faster than that wasn’t I?”
-richie can’t listen to any music that’s even remotely slow, it’s too boring
-he tries to rap. It’s terrible
-sometimes stan perfectly times a landing, just so he can swoop richie up while he’s being a pest
-richie SHRIEKS
-the teachers don’t know what to do with these kids
-colossus hates richie more than he hates wade
-negasonic also hates richie (but also loves him and is his friend because that kid has a good taste in music and it’s fun to try to blast richie before he realizes what’s happening)
-wade would adore the losers so much
-“look, you sexy Russian metal motherfucker, these are my sons” “wade, no” “I mean they have such resemblance. They’re both gay, one can heal and one knows bad words”
-“dad?! You’re back?!” “Richie stop”
-wade is the only one willing to babysit all of them (and he loves it)
-“holy shit! You can fucking become fire! How hot can you get?! Burn my fucking arm off!”
-he somehow also HELPS Bev control her anger/abilities
-“Hey eddie, can you fix this ballsack of a face for me?”
“Nobody could do that”
*sheds single tear*
“That burn is worse than anything Molly ringwald could’ve given me”
Bev, from down the hall: “WANNA BET ON IT WILSON”
-“I thought you were me AND richies dad? That just makes this incestuous. I’d be dating my brother” “you’re right...I have to disown one of you”
-richie, appearing in the room: “DADDY NO”
-wade adopts richie. No literally. He adopts him. He hates how richies parents treated him, and somehow adopts him (richie may have ran away from home, and may have figured out how to remove his records from all government data bases)
-“Hey Logan now I have a kid too, but mines cooler”
-laura: *runs at richie, screaming*
Richie: *SCREECHES and climbs up wade*
-laura kind of takes a liking to richie after realizing he’s terrified of her
-she loves sneaking up on him, and he basically turns into her big brother. He knows when to mess around and when to be serious, and is super soft with her
-Logan tried to keep her away from that kid, but she would have one of her legendary tantrums
-richie learned some Spanish cause he was the only one who could process her ramblings fast enough
-“wow they’re like brother and sister. Maybe we should elope”
-negasonic gets all soft with Laura and she speaks to her in Spanish and makes sure her thoughts are heard
-wade gets a lil more serious after being with the kids.
-Stanley acts like he hates him cause cmon it’s like having a Richie you can’t physically injure
-but the conversations they have when wade is being sincere help stan so much
-tries to shield mike from the world and barely swears around him
-richie: “shit”
Wade: *GASPS AND COVERS MIKES EARS*
-wade helps all of the kids at Xavier’s with sexuality and understanding it (and is unnaturally serious for the most part)
-“the guest sex Ed teacher is our very own wade Wilson!” “It’s Deadpool, and I’m not an x-man, so you can shut that ‘very own’ shit down”
-petey parsley gets transferred to Xavier’s
-richie loves this kid and tries to befriend him as soon as he arrives
-“holy SHIT you’ve met tony stark?!” “Dude I work for him” “HOLY FUCK HE WORKS FOR IRON MAN EDDIE”
-“IM GONNA SPRINT. YOU TRY TO WEB ME TO THE WALL”
-richie just sprints into a wall cause peter doesn’t hit him in time
-“eddie I think I broke my dick...and my face...will you still love me if I look like wade?”
-Bev uses the tip of her pinky to light her cigarettes, she holds them like she’s going to take a drag but sticks her pinky up and lights it while bringing it toward her mouth and richie LOSES HIS SHIT OVER IT
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
#losers club#it 2017#bill denbrough#richie tozier#ben hanscom#stanley uris#stan uris#beverly marsh#bev marsh#mike hanlon#eddie kaspbrak#marvel#xmen#mine#it headcanons#it hc#headcanons
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Smokey brand Postmortem: Harley Quinn and the Miscalculation
Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey is bombing in theaters and what i was apprehensive about, is coming to pass. All of this rah-rah, GRRRL-power, superficial, laughably toxic, feminism saturates this picture. And that’s fine. A little misandry never hurt anyone, especially with as much unapologetic misogyny that is rife within Hollywood. Still, there is a limit to and, while i didn’t mind the whole emancipation equal initialization angle this movie was going for, i can see why it would turn off so many others. We’re on the back end of the MeToo movement now and, in a world where Amber Heard has been exposed for the violent abuser that she truly is, the climate is a little different from when this flick was greenlit. It’s wild watching a marketing strategy trying so goddamn hard to alienate half their audience. Seriously, that sh*t was box office suicide but its not the reason why BoP failed. The media wants to blame sexist men for not supporting an all-women production but that’s not realistic. The demo breakdown for those who went to see BOP skewed heavily male. No, there are several reasons why and i kind of want to go over them here.
Issue 1: Feminist Marketing
The biggest issue this movie had was the way it was marketed. Besides the gung-ho drive in an attempt to appeal to that ludicrously vocal minority of third-wave feminists that don’t support sh*t outside of their own little echo chamber causes, it appears the WB did everything in their power to shoo away and semblance of testosterone. I noted this early, but that sh*t blew up in their face immediately. No one want to sit around and be preached at or two hours. I endued that sh*t because i enjoy comics and Margot’s Harleen is pretty legit but, goddamn! In a world of Nice Guys and Neckbeards, going so hard at that misandrist angle was a goddamn mistake. That, and the misleading push of Harley Quinn. This is not a birds of prey film and never should have been promoted as such. I could tell this was a Harley Quinn film immediately, but Normies sure didn’t. I imagine they wanted more Harley but saw the Birds top billed and decided it wasn’t worth the trip.
Fix: Better Marketing
To just say “Better Marketing” is kind of glib, but bear with me. There’s a lot to this. First thing first, that title should have never got approved. You want to lead with Harley, you lead with Harley. Hilariously, someone at WB thought so, too, and they changed the name. Personally, out the gate, i would have named this thing “Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey.” from the start, you set the expectation that this is a Harley Quinn movie AND assert that the BoP will have some sort of presence. The movie, itself, can still be exactly what it is, but that title change alters the entire expectation of that whole experience. Doing that also gives you an opportunity to promote this thing in a more balanced manner. Maybe don’t attack all the dudes that might want to see your flick with bullsh*t politics. I rather liked the idea of an all-girl gangster flick. It worked super well for Widows. If executed properly, you can even keep that whole Tarantino-esque vibe. But that might conflict with the second issue...
Issue 2: Hard R Rating
Everyone wants to be Deadpool but no one can be Deadpool. Look, i love the Hard R in my capeflicks. The aforementioned Deadpool was excellent and i absolutely love what Philips and Phoenix brought in Joker, but if you want to see how to do a proper R rated superhero film, look no further than Logan. Holy sh*t, that movie was good. and violent. and moving. I cried at the end of that thing. Shed me a man-tear, for sure. The thing about all of these films? That R was earned. You want to go Tarantino? You go full Tarantino. Bop did not commit like that. This motherf*cker was a “hard PG-13″. Seriously, the violence in this thing was akin to the violence in The Wolverine, a PG-13 flick. Why did they need that Hard R? Just to keep pace with the other Hard R flicks? See, that alienates your best bet at a profit.
Fix: go for that “Hard PG-13″
You want kids to see this thing, specifically young girls. Girls LOVE Harley, as they should. She’s become one helluva character. The growth shown in her comic persona is to be celebrated and this movie kind of touches upon that. 14-year-olds can’t get into your unnecessarily R rated film. You want those 14 and 15-year-olds to see your movie multiple times, and this thing had the potential for just that. Instead, they went too hard for that Hard R and it ruined a massive source of revenue. Besides, you already have a mature Harley show airing on that DCEU streaming whatever. The adults can check that one out, especially since it’s f*cking dope.
Issue 3: Character Interpretation
Harley Quinn has a very specific, very Snyder-esque design. You can’t shake that. Quinn is gonna Quinn. How the f*ck did the rest of these characters land on their respective situations? Hell, Cassanda Cain is “in name only” and that sucks! Cass is one of the dopest Bat-Kids in the fam and she’s relegated to that? Really? You barely even hint at Montoya’s sexuality, which is fine because it doesn’t define her, but to push this flick as LGBTQ, or whatever, without acknowledging the biggest L in the film seems disingenuous to me. And Huntress? Oh, my darling Huntress. You were the best thing about this movie and they didn’t even let you be IN the goddamn movie. Look, I’m all for creativity and letting creatures create but come on. At some point, you gotta give a little back to the fans, not just slap them in the face with such mediocre adaptions.
Fix: Better Characterization
Out the box, you should have NEVER adapted my girl Cass the way you did. Everything about this character is bogus. Where is my socially inept, traumatically mute, bad-ass human weapon? You give me a potty-mouth pick-pocket instead? For real? Nah. A much better character for this would have been Bluebird. How is Harper Row not perfect for this part? Considering her origin, she could start off as Harley’s protege and become better, actually become Blurebird and join the Birds later on down the line. How is that not a thing? And Montoya? Aside from a lack of screen time, maybe tie her into the plot a little better. Aside from a few throwaway line, what do we really know about her? Canary is fine, they did more than enough to give her character legs, but all of the Birds should have gotten as much time to develop. Speaking of time, my darling Huntress should have had WAY more screentime. She was SO dope and it’s a crime you didn’t give Winstead enough time to play with this character because she was having very real fun with her.
These three problems crippled any opportunity this movie had at being great. I’m sure WB thought they had a hit on their hands, or that the name “Harley Quinn” could carry this flick on it’s own but really? After Wondy and Aquaman, hell, even Shazam to a certain extent, you’d think these cats would have learned something. Instead, they opted to go hard with the Snyder-isms and the Box Office reflects all of that. This should have never been a BoP films. Margot should have definitely went for Gotham City Sirens. Still, we got what we got. It’s not good, but it’s not that bad, either. If they would have done the above three things, it could have been great. Missed opportunity.
#Smokey brand Postmortem#Birds of Prey#Harley Quinn#Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn#DC
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DC Universe: Joker and Harley Quinn are not #CoupleGoals
This is one of those topics that have always irritated me from the DC universe. And really got under my skin when Suicide Squad came out. Joker and Harley Quinn are not #CoupleGoals. Yes they are a couple, but no they are not the couple that you should look up to when you are thinking about what you want your relationship to be. If anything, they should be the example of what you don't want your relationship to be. It is the prime example of an abusive and toxic relationship. I'm not just going to be focusing on their relationship from the Suicide Squad movie but from all of DC franchise (comic books, animated series, etc.).
Suicide Squad has a lot of deleted scenes and considering they had a whole separate movie planned out then changed it to match more of the "Deadpool" aesthic a lot got left out. Such as just how abusive Joker and Harley Quinn are towards each other. One example being Joker trying to kill Harley and then she casts him aside for her new teammates. But since that didn't make it to the final cut, let's look at the other key moments that define their relationship and show just how NOT #CoupleGoals they are together. Though you have to admit they are a match made in Hell.
Arkham Asylum - Harleen Quinzel to Harley Quinn
From the moment Harley Quinn met Joker in their first therapy sessions in Arkham Asylum, Joker has been playing Harley Quinn to his advantage. If you know the origins of Harley Quinn, you know her real name is Dr. Harleen Quinzel and she was a psychiatrist at Arkham Asylum. She had became a psychiatrist to understand her abusive criminal father, similar to that of the Joker. So when she is assigned the case of the purple-suited socipath, he manipulates her into falling in love with him by telling her stories about his own abusive father (whether true or false, but likely the latter) in order to gain her sympathy. Thus allowing Joker to escape Arkham and causes Harleen to lose her license. Harleen recreates herself as "Harley Quinn" so she join Joker. This is a prime example of Gaslighting. If you've never heard of the term, it's a psychological term used to describe a form of mental abuse wherein the abuser leads his/her partner to doubt their own sanity, orientation, identity, and/or memory, thereby allowing them to manipulate the victim into a state of dependence.
Chemical Dump - Harley Snaps
In the New 52 reboot of the comics, it is revealed that Joker takes Harley to Ace Chemicals. The very same factory where the Red Hood (Joker) was on a heist that ended horribly in which Joker fell into the chemicals causnig his skin to become bleached. This is the moment that defines when Harley Quinn "snaps." New 52 shows the event from Harley's perspective whereas Suicide Squad shows it from Joker's. In New 52, Joker pushes Harley Quinn into the chemicals taking away much of her responsibility for what she turns into. Whereas, in Suicide Squad Harley jumps in herself.
Dark Knight's Animated Series - Love for Harley vs Batman
Throughout the series you can see Joker treating Harley Quinn poorly. For instance, after Joker is foiled again by Batman and is working at his desk on his next scheme Harley climbs up in her lingerie and says "Aw, c'mon puddin'... don't ya wana rev up your Harley? Vroom, vroom!" To which Joker pushes her off of the desk. When she continues advances towards the Joker, he kicks her out of the hideout.
In this same episode, Mad Love, Harley decides that the only way to get Joker to love her is if she managed to kill Batman. When she captures Batman, and shows Joker what she has done. He is livid that Harley would even try to kill Batman herself. As she is interfering in his relationship with the Dark Knight and throws Harley out of the window. She states that she is done with Joker for good until she receives a bundle of flowers with a "Get well soon" card and her love for Joker is resurrected yet again.
Trapped in a Rockey - Harley Leaves Joker
Pushing Harley off of a desk isn't the full extent of Joker's abuse. On multiple occasions he has attempted to murder Harley Quinn. One of these occassions involved trapping Harley in a rocket and launching her away. Joker mentions to Harley that he hates having feelings for her as it distracts him from his chaotic ambitions. So he decided to rid himself of Harley once and for all. Harley, however, is able to control the rocket's direction and crash land in Robinson Park where she meets Poison Ivy. After becoming friends with Ivy, she decides to leave Joker and began heists with Poison Ivy. Which Joker sees as a sign of open rebellion against him. Though Harley Quinn does not fall out of love with Joker. She also has relationship with Deadshot while she is apart from Joker. And at one point in the comics, after Joker goes insane (even further) and takes off his face. He is presumed dead. Harley Quinn steals the face then puts it on Deadshot so she can talk to "the Joker" and try to understand her grief over his seeming death. Though of course he did not die and returns in the future.
Harley Goes Back to the Joker Time and Time Again
The Joker offers her a bushel of roses. Which would seem like a pretty normal romantic gesture if they had not been filled with lit TNT. Harley is able to escape before the explosion kills her. She then rationalizes to herself that her boyfriend just has “commitment issues.”
While in Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo's 2008 graphic novel Joker, Harley Quinn is mistaken as a stripper in front of Joker. To which, Joker rips off all of Monty's skin and throws the skinless body onto the stage in front of the audience. Which we see similar behavior in Suicide Squad, where Joker points a gun at a guy who looked too long at Harley Quinn. In that same graphic novel, Joker openly cries to in Harley's lap further showing that at some layer he does care about Harley if not dependent on each other in some way. Whether just provisive in the Joker's case or obsession as it is in Harley's case. Both of these are shown as well in Suicide Squad and the Dark Knight's animated series. Joker time and time again hates when he doesn't have Harley Quinn around or if she's around someone else. And Harley is overly obsessed with the Joker.
But no matter what they do, they are still abusive towards each other. In another instance Joker drags Harley into a cellar where he has the previous "Harleys" all dawning the same black and red colors. He tells her there have been Harleys before her and there'll be more Harleys after. She is chained up and left for dead with the lie that she's just one of many. Though from what we can gather, she's the only one but he manages to convince her with all the skeletons.
Family for Joker and Harley
There are two key instances in which the dynamic duo start a family. There's the time where they brainwashed Robin into being their son. And the time mentioned in New 52, where Harley Quinn reveals she had given birth to a daughter.
In the first case, during the animated film Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, Joker and Harley Quinn have kidnapped Tim Drake (the current Robin) and transform him into a mini-Joker. They spent three weeks torturing and brainwashing him, thus turning him into Joker Jr. or JJ for short. Though when Joker tries to have JJ kill Batman, he kills Joker instead... granted Joker doesn't actually die from this.
In the second case, in New 52 some time after Suicide Squad Harley reveals to Black Canary that she has a daughter with Joker named Lucy who lives with Harleen's sister. Apparently she became pregnant and left Joker for nine months so she wouldn't get in the way. When she returned Joker pretended he didn't notice her disappearance.
There are other moments of abuse in their relationship but these are just some of the key ones that show just how NOT #CoupleGoals they are.
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