Hoooooo boy,the 'we need more unsanitazed gay/bi/trans media' gang isn't gonna like this one(To clarify:I am insulting the second half of this)

A lot of people have said Hobie wouldn't listen to Taylor Swift but y'know what Gwen wouldn't either.Dosen't matter that she's a white blue eyed and blonde girl,she's canonically a trans punk who's gotten punched in the face by reality multiple times and liking Taylor Swift is a privileged ass thing to do

Imo, Hobie and Gwen are a transmasc mlm and transfem wlw in a qpr.

t4t ghostpunk mean so much to me

I've been rewatching Atsv clips and jesus fucking christ Hobie is such a doofus and i say that with all the love in my black eldest sister heart.The self-satisfied ass smirk after he teased Gwen and she got flustered like he wanted?'I don't believe in comedy' 'But not because you told me to!'?Holding Mayday and saluting her???Literally every scene he's nice to Miles that i know for a fact the entire present Spider Society caught onto it as him having a lil crush on the autistic and pastel ray of sunshine like the actual punk he is but didn't say anything because they didn't wanna embbarras him????????I need someone on whatever our earth's number is to make a portal so i can give that lil nigga a noogie and tell him he should change his name to Spiderdork

Yeah i said it /lh

Historians will call them siblings-coded

Omg Hobie and Gwen on their first date,i love trans couples so much <333!!!!

Does this comics!Ghostpunk panel look like Robin and Batgirl!Stephcass to anyone else?

^For reference

@moonage-gaydream

NOT SASUKE HATE HE'S LITERALLY MY FAVORITE NINJA EVER but yeah i'm right and i'll be elaborating when my brain starts working again

wait people actually ship hobie with noir 😭? wtf???

THANK YOU IT'S SO FUCKING WEIRD Even disregarding that Noir is SO CLEARLY a grown ass man since he looks exactly Peter B and Hobie's a 17 year old who's story heavily realies on the adultification of black kids and why it's bad,'they both kill fascists and are from the past' is some Jelsa typa logic and they're not even from the same decade💀Also you can't tell me Hobie is into white people and that dosen't invalidate Ghostpunk because to me Gwen's afrolatina and i legit get confused when i see her 'canon design' because it fits too much in every way for her to be.And this is the second fuckdamn time Noir has gotten shoved into a baseless mlm ship that somehow got popular let my nigga BREATHE

Okay so i'm thinking about punkness in Atsv and i'm gonna be so real,i can't help but believe they faked out with making Gwen punk like they did Hobie-By which i mean they just gave her the aesthetic and interests but not the mentality and certain actions too.Like yes,she's got the side shave that's partially dyed an unnatural color and eyebrow piercing,the swag costume,the civillian outfits,the being a drummer in a rock band,the snark,the respectfully cheeky flirty attitude to her crushes,the tragic backstoryTM,the rebellion,all that's great and i love her so much for it!!!But at the same time,i wish they'd gone full force with it,again,like they did Hobie,especially because they're literally best friends who're heavily implied to have blooming romantic feelings for eachother and act like a couple already,including living together????I know the last bit is due to George kicking her out but A)that makes Gwen x Hobie even more of a punk x punk love story and B)should've realistically given her motivation to take part in activism like charity events and protests and to HATE COPS.That's legit the whole reason her dad's abusive,that he prioritizes the force over her but she was forced to forgive him instead of giving trans kids an incredibly important lesson that you're under no obligation to love your parents if they treat you badly because that's not what a REAL parent does

For fuck's sake,Peter B was more belivable as her dad in Itsv than George was in Atsv and looking back on it this was probably an accident but notice how not ONCE does Gwen bring up her home life!!Hm,wonder why that is considering what happens only a few months later!It feels ooc for Gwen too because in the comics,she was brutal as SHIT and it was GOOD.She was an anti-hero!!She could even qualify as a Red Hood equivalent more than B*cky B*rnes does!And i get it,they had to make her more kid friendly for a pg audience but they deadass had Hobie use the word 'fascists' onscreen and all but outright saying he killed his canon event cop via the blue laces + 'Yeah,what of it?' combo so they didn't need to take pretty much ALL her edge away other than the death subplot!She dosen't even need to kill,i would've been fine with scenes of her being a bully beater in those flashbacks and peeks into Earth 65 and some offhanded references of her and Hobie doing activism together!

Plus her and Margo not even being friends?????Complete horseshit,bonds between black girls and trans girls are basically inherent and i'm speaking from experience and Margo also deserved as much screentime as Hobs and Pav!And Hobie would NOT fucking date someone without radicalizing them,that's not my son!!!!!I finally get a canon pastel punk trans femme in a franchise i was already into only for her writers not to put their whole pussy into it to make her palpable and quirky for whites instead.Can't have shit in the multiverse

Between him flirting with Gwen a few times onscreen and probably tons more when they were developing their friendship and how he was down horrendous for Miles the second they met,Hobie's type in women is pointing to tgirls.Absolute gigachad behavior tbh(Also he just like me fr)

The two ends of the transmasc4transfem spectrum

Gwen:Hobie's been teaching me how to make things and he calls it 'Diy or Die' so from now on i'm not buying anything that's not from thrift stores.I'm NOT dying and diy is fun as hell anyway

Miguel:I don't think that's what that means-

Gwen:DIY OR DIE!!!!!!!!!DO YOU HEAR ME?NO DEAD GWEN,ONLY DIY GWEN!

Miguel:OKAY OKAY SHOCK,DIY NO DIE GWEN!!!!You look like a walking elementary art and crafts project anyway so suit yourself

To explain the problem with how the Atsv fandom deals with Hobie a lot and sometimes with Gwen too............Hobie and Gwen have certain expectations put on them as a slightly older black character and a female character who's the male mc's love interest.Hobie is expected to be overtly sexual and uncommited to his partners('I hate labels' was him being nonbinary,please be fucking serious)and have a huge mean edge to him or either a caretaker to the Spiderband with no personality and stories of his own and Gwen is expected to be a 'normal' straight girlfriend-Hence all the emphasis put on her being a girl and Miles a boy even when it dosen't fit-including the toxicity frequent in white ones with black boyfriends specifically(that's what 'snowbunny' means btw)and her experiences as a friendless abuse victim who's trans and was kicked out by her cop dad for doing activism isn't something that you can ignore,because GWEN can't ignore it either and neither can Hobie with his own lived antiblackness and adultification that are inherently intertwined with eachother

Gwen wasn't written to be a stereotypical hashtag quirky cis white girl with no real problems besides wanting the guy to like her back,Gwen was CANONICALLY written as a usual TRANS girl and those are absolutely different because i known both closely and she reminds me infinitely more of tgirls who're pastel softgirls for gender validation instead of white woman fragility and the only reason her and Margo weren't a trio with Hobie pre-Miles is the same reason Peter B didn't come with Gwen to visit Miles and it's that writers wanted to isolate them from eachother to emphasize Ghostflower as if they didn't pull it off just fine in the first movie and when the only weak points in the second one are FROM them doing that and if you think about it for 5 seconds you'd realize that Margo and her have every reason to love eachother so much and hang out.And Hobie has plenty of interesting traits and potential even without his comics lore and he never shows interest in sex-Rightfully so,because this is a fucking children's franchise!!!-and any 'vibes' adult Hobie bullshitters got was them being creeps who can't turn off horny mode and you can just say you don't ship Ghostpunk and Punkflower instead of making a fool of yourself by denying how much mutual romantic interest and chemistry Hobie has with Gwen and Miles

And y'all WILDIN' if you actually think Hobie's Team Dad status to the Spiderband is something that takes zero toll on him but i know for a fact it eventually does and he tries to hide it because he feels guilty but they find out and let him breakdown and take care of him too starting from then on because he's not their ACTUAL Dad,he's a 17 year old and he's their best friend and that's what best friends DO.Gwen ain't a pick me either,she's a trans legend who didn't magically turn cis when she started passing contrary to how y'all think transfemininity work and Hobie didn't 'adopt' her,him taking her in was intersectionality and solidarity between black people and trans women which has an extremely important history in punk culture and deadass one of the first thing's i learned when i started my research after i decided to go pastel punk.You all look dumb as hell with these janky ass takes,especially those random hate comments i'm always seeing on Hobie x Spiderband posts and the defenses towards the cisfeminization of Gwen and don't even get me started on the Switfie allegations as if Hobie isn't obviously a The Cure fan and Gwen a Tv Girl one,and if you want minority characters to be written offensively with no depth so bad,go back to watching Danny Phantom and Miraculous Ladybug and leave Hobs and Gwendy tf alone!!!!!