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animentality · 11 months
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I saw Elemental and while it was far better than it looked, I had some issues.
First off, fantasy racism is hard to do properly because most writers make the fatal error of making the oppressed people too powerful.
Like X men. Oh, it's a metaphor for racism against black people in America...except black people don't shoot fucking death killing laserbeams from their buttholes every time they take a fart.
Or say, Zootopia. A well meaning allegory, but it still implies people of color are actually a threat to the rest of the population???
Like I don't care if a "bunny can go savage."
You still present the oppressed race, of predators, as being scarier and bigger and more easily able to hurt others.
So Elemental had the same issues.
It basically said, well, the fire people are the last wave of immigrants. They are discriminated against the most because they are new. They speak another language and no one likes them because they burn things and they can hurt the rest of us, so we keep them in these segregated communities, that are more fire safe.
Now here's the issue with that, if you haven't already noticed...
Once again, we get a race of people who are a thinly veiled metaphor for immigrants...but the issue is...
The fire people ARE a legitimate threat to the earthy, leafy people. They can literally kill them. They literally burn off pieces of their bodies in the damn film.
Now technically the wind and water people are less in danger, but we literally see in the movie that the fire people are WAY more of a threat than any other people. The main character literally blows the fuck up.
She destroys several plot important things when she can't control her temper!!! She destroys her own father's shop. Several times.
It's implied that fire people can also EVAPORATE the water people too.
So therein lies the issue.
If we saw the water people being more destructive, I could forgive it! If we saw more equal distrust between all the people, then maybe I could buy it. There ARE hints that the wind people have an affinity for lightning, which you would think could be a destructive force too, just as much a threat to water! And water can douse fire, right? So that's also bad, and that at least has some basis in the film?
But the problem is that the larger society only sees fire as bad...and the metaphor doesn't come across, when you focus on just fire and show us the many, many bad things fire can and does do to the other elements.
Now here's the thing that really annoys me.
The racism/discrimination against immigrants metaphor was okay. It had some nuance, at least. I enjoyed some of the very thoughtful discussions of what it means to be a second generation immigrant and the stresses of trying to live up to your parents' expectations of you.
I actually enjoyed the romance too. They were oddly sweet, and the heroic sacrifice in the end was genuinely touching.
But the movie's racism metaphor was too strong, and it has bad implications, given how much of a threat all of the races are to each other, whether it's equally divided between them or not.
This is not at all applicable to real life. Our differences are not so fucking fundamental. They are cultural and only very, very slightly biological. Our DNA is not so fucking different that this metaphor works, at all.
These kind of movies make the unintentional point that races are cut and dry categories, and all we need to do is accept these alien creatures so different from us into our society.
This is not true.
Like what the fuck. This is so not true. Every single race on earth can and does reproduce with one another, plus we've all been intermixed since the beginning of fucking time.
So that metaphor just breaks itself, in my opinion.
Now here's my suggestion.
This movie should've been a metaphor for disability accomodations.
And hear me out, right?
The fire people CANNOT go to several places. Places entirely underwater, or partially submerged, places covered in foliage, where they might burn things. It is a central theme, that fire people are barred from certain places because they simply haven't bothered to make those places accessible to them.
See, that's a much more palatable and less problematic theme/metaphor to draw from!
The main character wants to see this plant that only grows underwater, but she's never gotten to see it because it's in this weird stadium that's underwater, and they simply haven't tried to make it accessible to fire people.
Plus, water people trains are constantly throwing water down on fire town, and water is a huge threat to fire people, and the whole city seems to run on water transport, and i think, but im not sure, it's stated that water people came first, and that's why elemental city is mostly catered to them?
But there's a great moral there!
There's no reason fire people can't be in certain public spaces! There should be laws forcing all earth spaces to have fire safe accommodations, like metal or clay flooring in all necessary areas!
That museum should've had some kind of tunnel for fire people to walk through!
It should be required for all public areas that there be metal or clay or glass crossing certain areas, so that fire people can still reasonably access everything that the other people can access!
Like ramps and elevator and railings, in real life!
And it's such a shame, because the protagonist has a talent for shaping glass. For making art.
It's implied she might end up working for her boyfriend's mom, who's an architect!!!
The protagonist should've been a fucking architect, who EXPLICITLY dedicates herself to making the rest of the city accessible to her own people!!! So they can get out of fire town and live amongst the rest of them!
At the end, it's implied more people are coming to fire town...but for no fucking reason. They just go there now.
But the protagonist, Ember, really needed to be a driving force.
She needed to be a metaphor for accessibility in public spaces, because that's a much better parallel than just racism itself.
If you toned down the "destructiveness" of fire and explained that fire people are unfairly excluded from public life simply because it's easier for the other people to ignore them and not care about their needs...then you have a far less problematic story, with a much more sensitive and interesting take on disability discrimination.
Ember needed to be an advocate, someone who tries to bring her people into the wider world, and not the wider people into her world.
There is NO reason fire people could not be allowed to participate in public life.
And there was no reason fire people had to be pitted so hard against every other race.
Elemental was a really fun movie, with beautiful animation and some very well thought out ideas for how the city worked.
But it failed as a racism/immigration allegory.
It could've been far more nuanced and complex, if it had bothered to talk more about how fire people need accomodations, rather than just, fire people hate everyone else, and everyone else hates fire people.
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pinkandpurple360 · 3 months
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Do you … think interclass/interracial relationships are inherently imbalanced and therefore should never happen? Like these imbalances exist (especially with Stolas where he’s literally coercing him into sex) but if it’s a loving couple who balances best they can (BeeTex, Fizzozzie, etc.), you think they should split and “reunite with your own kind?” What in segregation
“Shipping Blitzfizz is racist” (?)
Can I answer your frankly kinda snarky question with a question? Do you think secret interracial relationships between royalty and the oppressed and enslaved subjects are unequal? I would never say shipping stolitz is racist, only that how it handles race is deeply problematic and fans are clearly trying to ignore or minimise that if they try claim it’s not. But they’re demons coded as a certain race.
Anyways, anon, no, not in the present day. Obviously. You cant have any idea about my background cause i keep it private, but my family members are of multiple races and ethnicities. Assuming this based on my cartoon ships is so out of pocket.
But anyways, during the segregation and slavery eras where some entire races were seen as second class citizens but still used as courtesans and concubines for royalty? Like Stolas uses Blitzø, and what Ozzie was only able to free Fizz from due to his own power and privilege of his role in society? Absolutely. That’s fundamentally messed up as long as the other persons entire race is still being subjugated, specifically by the royals they are attached to. With nothing being done to rectify it.
And also, knowing that they might not be able to survive if not for said royals favouring them as performers and ‘saving’ them, isn’t that odd?
Mind you, also, far as we know Bee keeps her boyfriends kind, her own subjects, in cages when they don’t have parents. As long as this is going on unaddressed, yes this makes me uncomfortable as well. The fact Ozzie, Stolas, and Bee all have anger issues and intimidate or hurt members of lower classes, also makes me uncomfortable. Ozzie and Bee don’t treat their partners this way of course, but it still concerns me.
See how weird it gets when you use human race dynamics a little bit too literally for demon cartoon ships? But yes, the racial dynamics in this universe, as it stands, are imbalanced, scarily so. And imps in a general sense outside of their favourites, are treated poorly by both Ozzie and Stolas who use the term in a reductive (“that feisty imp” “limpdick imp “my impish little plaything”) even oftentimes derogatory manner. And Fizz/Ozzie will always have a place in my heart, for sure, but it’s getting a bit too crooked until we see why their relationship was secret and until Oz gets solo development. Hint: it’s because Ozzies people hate fizz for being an imp.
I treat the relationships as normal, with the exception of stolas because that story is unsalvageable no matter if he abdicates and is mortalised, it’s too much.
But anyhoo, that’s not the reason I like Blitzø and Fizzarolli’s mysterious and slowly unraveling love story (and yes, it still is one) and chemistry, take out all the racism and slavery themes which in my opinion were far too dark for Viv to handle maturely since she can’t stop woobifying the oppressors and vilifying the oppressed who don’t play nice) and id still love them. Their story of loss, circumstances forcing them apart, misplaced hate, ego, fame, overcoming the need for external validation or masking it with false bravado, performing, abuse, mutual hidden love, partnership, affection, finding beauty in the roughest of places….yeah that’s it for me. There is so so much there.
On a last note, I think more diverse pairings of royals and hellborn is needed. For better representation, diversity (hello where are the lesbians?) and so that people can stop accusing me of this oddness just based on me liking blitzfizz.
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penwrythepersonal · 2 years
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Writing Discourse: My Thoughts on Fantasy Racism
Inspired by this tweet here by game dev doll!
fantasy racism is so funny because authors and writers make that choice to include racism in a world where racism literally does not have to exist writing shitty racism allegories to compare it to real life racism in the worst way possible
TL;DR of my thoughts:
Fantasy racism has major pitfalls including weird voyeurism, risk of dehumanization, and bare-bones exploration that rarely tackles the more complex issues of how it functions in real life. However, completely disregarding it in all fiction and fantasy is not great either. Everybody has different takes on racism and those it affects (like myself) may want to explore how it affects us within the realm of fiction. Yes, fiction/fantasy does not have to have it, but it is also something you don't have to avoid exploring either. But, you don't need to have racism in a story to give it conflict. There is always more than one type of conflict/injustice. Discussing injustices in a fantasy society between two opposing groups does not have to be about racism. Not everything needs to be a 1:1 allegory about real-life struggles and societal issues.
My full thoughts:
I agree with mixed feelings. As a Black person, I do feel that there's too much focus on including racism but not really discussing its societal and cultural harms in fantasy worldbuilding. Most times it's presented as a minor character flaw with little effort to solve the larger problem or strange voyeurism over "this is the life of the other" while depicting the worst aspects of racism in the story's setting. Then there's the fantasy racism allegory of animals and creatures experiencing racism, which gets awkward when the in-universe depiction of racism does not make sense, or at worst, dehumanizes the people these characters/creatures are supposed to represent. I don't think OP is saying all fantasy should not have it, but its presentation is often problematic or harmful.
However, I don't want people to avoid discussing racism or other serious issues in their stories. Yes, fantasy is escapism and it does not have to discuss these issues. But fantasy, and all of fiction, also function as a reflection of real life. If a story has this in it, that means the author actively chose to do so and wants to explore it within their own story.
Like, I really want to vent about how my society treats Black people like me and I'm going to put my feelings into my story. Or I might want to discuss it, but within the setting of the story, "discrimination" as we know it may work differently in a fantasy setting. For example, in one of my stories for The Mundane Realm (See my carrd for World of Relics), my characters, the talking object people, have no concept of "race" or "racism" (nor do they have any historical concept of systematic/institutional racism) but they do understand "durability". Durability drives their society's version of discrimination against each other. Durability-based discrimination is never presented as a 1:1 allegory of real-life racial discrimination in my story. It is a form of discrimination inspired by my lived experience, yes, but something of its own that exists within the confines of the story's worldbuilding and my characters' society.
Outside of TMR, my other stories don't have discrimination or racism. One covers a rivalry between kingdoms, not driven by racism, but driven by a never-ending war over what their past rulers have done to each other. There are heavy themes of revenge and trauma as conflict. I also have another story about a young actor who is neurodivergent and has an overactive paracosm that they must reconcile with while living in a world of imagination. The main theme of their story is just living as a new adult (early 30s) struggling to find a job and sticking to it. Rise of Relics is a story about people, after experiencing permanent metaphysical changes to their bodies after a mass extinction event, fight to save what's left of their world while another group wants to restart it at the risk of killing all who survived. The main driving conflict of that story is adapting to the Death of Normal.
However, once again, my lived experience will still pervade my writing. This includes what I experience living as a Black person in a racist country. All my protagonists are either Black or Black-coded (Yes, I know. I hate this term for non-human characters, but I see myself in them. I'm welcome to a better term, please suggest one!). At some point, the characters in my story will face being othered. I want to discuss what that feels like. I should have the right to explore my feelings about that. Going full "I don't see color" in my stories is just not going to work.
If I was white, then yeah… But I'm not. I am Black. Everything I write, even if I remove any discussion of discrimination or other problematic issues of our society in my stories, will always be colored by my experience. Even a utopian society in a fantasy setting will always have this part of me. This is an unavoidable fact.
On the other end of this, you can have a good fantasy story with strong worldbuilding that still have other forms of conflict outside of discrimination. (Cough-even though most conflict in real life is heavily fueled by some kind of discrimination, prejudice, or injustice of some kind-cough) Juno Steel from The Penumbra Podcast is set in a sci-fi universe future where racism, homophobia, transphobia, and other forms of discrimination do not exist. It still discusses classism and capitalism as its main conflict. Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. Fantasy can still have conflict without racism. Two or more opposing groups do not have to be racist to one another in your fantasy story. They can have conflicts with economics, land, faiths, ideologies, differences in technology, generational differences, speciesism, etc. There's always more than one type of conflict. There's always more than one type of injustice. This is a universal truth and something worth exploring and finding ways to dismantle their stronghold on society.
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i love the extras of dungeon meshi in how it fleshes out the world because they make it so much more evident how race affects every part of the story while avoiding the zootopia racism problem. like obv a main theme of the story is like, humanity and desire, 'to eat is to live', etc, but since the majority of it takes place in the dungeon isolated from society and thru the lens of laios, the racial aspects play out more like shadows on a wall for most of the story.
then in the extras we get comics like this
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which at a glance fleshes out the racial aspects via a character explaining the racial rules of universe - humans have x amount of bones, while orcs and kobolds have more. however, if u take it less straightforwardly, it points out how the concept of 'human' is a constructed concept in the world. the fact that there are different categories of human in different parts of the world based off of what types of humanoids occur there is already a demonstration of this. in response, the bones explanation seems to kabru and the characters as an objective way of measuring humans vs nonhumans.
but obv, when the culture was deciding what humanoids were humans and nonhumans, they weren't blindly analyzing skeletons and then deciding. just visually, one can glean that orcs and kobolds look less like the ingroup of tallmen, elves, dwarves, gnomes, etc. the bones explanation appears as a justification for that immediate prejudice under a scientific guise - I'm sure that one could come up with the same number of physical differences between a gnome and an elf that they would find between a tallman and an orc. it sounds a lot better to say 'well, an orc has 230 bones while a human has 206' then 'well, an orc looks ewwww yucky yucky to me while a human looks normal'.
and what i like abt the comic is that the characters take the explanation at face value for the most part. when a contradiction is brought up in the oni, kabru can neatly slot them into the predetermined number of bones framework. bc that's kinda how it works irl - there r cultural prejudices that we can posthumously justify, and if we find something outside of it, we can twist it to fit into our predetermined binary. however, since the reader does not live in a world where there are orcs and kobolds to be prejudiced against, we can see that flaw in the cultural logic. when the party encounters the orcs, the number of bones has no bearing on their humanity. They r shown to be cliquish and distrusting of outsiders, but not any more than the elves are later in the story.
tldr dungeon meshi worldbuilding is so good
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jesncin · 6 months
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Thank goodness white martian and green martian live together in harmony in your comic. Not the stupid unbelievable thing about how green martian oppressed white martian treat them like second class citizen not perfect allegory of racism
Does green and white martian ever married to each other
Green and white martians can't become life partners. They're two different categories of martians (average martians vs cosmic martian). Since Mars itself creates white martians, there isn't an inherit need for white martians to have to procreate or have romantic relationships. A few white martians do make romantic connections with each other though.
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and if they do you should!! Run immediately!!
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cocksley-and-catapult · 7 months
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Is c&c in the same universe as zootopia?
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autistic-sidestep · 1 month
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someone remind me to write up my fh disability theory reading meta at some point
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I’m watching the princess and the frog and god damn it why don’t they do 2D animation anymore. Why don’t they do princess romances anymore. Disney please. Please I’ll do anything.
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roetrolls · 13 days
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misc schooling headcanons because bulk anon got us chatting about it
To the surprise of no one, I, the art student, am most interested in examining how Alternia's fascist dystopia would affect the advent of "high/low class" art (the distinction of which is in itself a means of suppressing marginalized voices)
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mintmatcha · 4 months
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mint!🌱 will you pls tell me about your oc obi? what sort of world do they live in? what do they look like?
I will talk about Obsidian all day!!!
Obsidian/Obi is a black scaled dragonborn. His world is a lot like the dungeon meshi world mixed the standard DND, mixed with an apocalypse. It started as a dnd ox and he's evolved a lot since then.
It's very much a world this social and racial hierarchy. Dragonborns aren't commonly seen in the southern parts of the country and they are often seen are aggressive and manipulative monsters.
But Obi is a magic user. He's small for his species, silver tongued and ultra sweet, a vegetarian and a pacifist. He's also deeply insecure and self conscious.
He takes good care of his scales, so they have developed this chromatic shimmer to them. (Versus his twin brother, who has very matte, dark scales)
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idolomantises · 1 year
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Watched that new Wednesday show on Netflix, I like it a lot. But damn, I’ve never seen a show fail to convince me that two characters were straight.
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aphverse-confessions · 5 months
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Something that's always bothered me about Mystreet (and especially the later seasons once we start focusing on werewolves and their lore and stuff) was how the racism aspect was handled.
I think on paper the werewolf racism wasn't necessarily a,, bad idea to include this since it's a very real topic and this could have been a good instance of explaining this kind of thing through metaphor/allegory (although whether its inclusion was a good thing is also up for interpretation imo. Personally I think you could include it but you would need to be extremely conscientious and knowledgeable through research about how to tackle this in a realistic and respectful manner). I just feel it's so weird that werewolves are the only ones who seem to get hit with the racism button and no one else does?? Meif'wa don't, witches don't, demons don't (at least in Mystreet) so why is it only the werewolves? (oh hey Jess' not so blatant werewolf fetish what are you doing here?)
And what constitutes actual racism in this universe? Are there slurs? It seems to be implied a few times when werewolves get upset being called 'dogs' or anything similar. And I think 'furry' could be read as one too? And it seems like 'cat' could also be one for meif'wa (although that was mostly a thing from a Halloween special mini series that was a zombie movie parody with magic cats so idk how canon it is). But meif'wa aren't considered as much of an issue as werewolves in-universe which,, okay??? Why?? Surely there's a stereotype about them scratching stuff up all the time?? If there are stereotypes about werewolves shouldn't there be some for meif'wa? And Zianna, when meeting KC, says that she's heard meif'wa are "so easy going". Couldn't that be considered a micro-aggression in some contexts? But no one says anything about it? It was so weird. Also I'm pretty sure Zane called KC "kitty" once or twice which again,, wouldn't that also be considered a micro-aggression??? I feel like I'm going insane
Like there's so many instances of Aphmau using terms or doing things which other werewolves find offensive (like calling Aaron alpha which,, I'm not touching that with a 39 1/2 ft pole) but meif'wa being called kitty or other variants are fine?? This also isn't helped by the fact that the meif'wa literally have no culture or lore development whatsoever.
Also the fact that race fetishes exist in Mystreet is,, a very fucked up choice. Why was this decidedly a thing for Sylvanna?? It's so weird and uncomfortable and she does this IN FRONT OF HER HUMAN BOYFRIEND ERIC. It felt so distasteful and just should've been excluded entirely.
Also none of this is helped by the ACTUAL racism present in Jess writing (especially with KC bc holy shit she was a hot mess) and other stuff which I honestly can't name off the top of my head but it sure exists :/
TLDR: why was racism included in this Minecraft roleplay YouTube series to begin with it's weird as fuck
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qrjung · 7 months
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dbh androids have to be the most human androids I've ever seen in my life. Not even appearance wise but the fact that their revolting is just them destroying public property or marching down the street. Everything is so... manual, especially for beings living in a world where most things are digitized. Including sensitive government and military information they could easily get access to
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findher-ogg · 2 months
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A very interesting takeaway from the Farseer Trilogy so far (just started Assassin's Quest so no spoilers) that I have so far is that not only is Wit an unintentional allegory for queerness but it's also an even more unintentional allegory for autism! As an autistic person reading quite a few of the characters come across as autistic to me anyway, but focusing on Fitz specifically he has
- a very poor grasp of social cues
- a very specialised interest in both animal care and assassin things
- immediately after being revived after his month with Nighteyes he's on a similar level of functionality as an autistic person with high support needs, and in relearning to be a man he is relearning how to mask/cope
- continuing this, his constant dilemma of if he is more man or more wolf reminds me of my own personal struggle with how much of my personality is me masking vs my autism
Additionally
- Burrich's own internalised ableism (such as when he scolds Fitz for talking to Nighteyes or when he "kills" Nosy)
- whatever the fuck is going on with Kettricken
Honourable mentions go to the Fool, Patience and Verity who are also very very autistic but get differently stigmatised for it
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kitkatkey · 23 days
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For years the tumblrinas have had me thinking that Detroit: Become Human was a little gay detective story about an alcoholic and a robot guy (a la Harry and Kim from Disco Elysium), so imagine my surprise when I learned that there's... other characters? And other storylines?? I feel Lied to
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amorphous-binary · 7 months
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However Prowl is inserted into Earthspark, I genuinely hope the showrunners avoid using his cop-car alt-mode as story fodder à la ‘police brutality'.
After reviewing how they dropped the ball re: anti-Transformers rhetoric, I would prefer that they stay away from such difficult topics.
Of course, Earthspark is a kid's show, but there are ways of handling more sensitive topics, both socially and otherwise.
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