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Hi! Just wanted to say that I don't think that you were in the wrong for the Audio Adventures "i sleep, real shit" meme. I kind of took it as to mean that you preferred Harvey's story over the Joker's... not that you hated the Joker.
Still, I thought that your response was very well thought out and articulated in your reblog and I wanted to congratulate you on that!
On the other hand, drama in the Batman: The Audio Adventures fandom means that it is growing haha... so maybe that's a good sign?
Yeah. As I had detailed in my second reblog, I don't actually hate the Joker at all. I'm mostly apathetic to ambivalent about him...? And if you actually look at my blog, the entire reason I made that meme was because I was entertained by how I fell asleep while listening to the season 1 finale of the Batman Audio Adventures. I thought that was amusing, it made me feel like the meme, and so I decided to actually make the meme for real! You can see that the post I made immediately before I posted that meme was me talking about how I fell asleep while listening to the season 1 finale. I sleep not out of malice towards the Joker and his fans, but rather because I'm just not as interested in what's going on with the Joker when compared to what's going on with Two-Face! There wasn't really any malice behind my actions, and I think it was a pretty tame meme regardless. I didn't think that anyone would actually get offended by it, as it's all in good fun and people are perfectly within their rights to disagree with my post. So needless to say, I was surprised to see someone reacting SO adversely to my post!
I'll be honest, I was very tempted to just ignore the response post. But I do always try to treat everyone I can with respect and courtesy, and it bothered me that they were accusing me of having attitudes that simply don't reflect who I am at all. To stay silent, I felt, would only make that person feel like they were correct in their snapshot judgement of me. That I'm just here to pick on Joker fans, when that simply isn't true! I have preferences and am biased towards those preferences. But generally speaking I'm not interested in openly bashing things that I dislike publicly here on the internet! This blog will never become a hate blog. I may express frustrations here and there, but I tend to ignore things that I dislike, and prefer to discuss things that I do like. When something bothers me, I prefer to think of ways to fix it, or find a way to engage with it that suits me better than to just spread anger and hatred towards it. And I don't want people to think that I would ever be the kind of person who wants to spread hate on my blog! I have better things to do with my time and energy on this blog. This is just a place for me to share thoughts and ideas I have for my own sake and enjoyment. And I just don't find engaging in hate or discourse to be very fun.
I've been here on the internet and Tumblr specifically for a very long time at this point. I'm a Tumblr ancient. And I've always found that people acting in the way that I saw tends to be the result of someone just having a bad day and lashing out because of it. I will never begrudge someone for having a bad day. And if the Joker community really is a chronically bullied group like that person was implying, they have nothing but my sympathy, and I would not want to exacerbate the problem! Again, I have no interest in bullying other people on this blog of mine, and if I do something wrong, I am always happy to try and change my thoughts and behavior to make things right. I want to learn and am always grateful to anyone who's willing to work with and teach me! It's always good to hear people's thoughts and opinions that differ from my own! And the fact that you think that I did a good job with my response is hopefully an indication that I'm on the right track. So thank you for the compliment. I'm just trying my best. >.<
And yeah... I've been very surprised with the amount of interaction the Batman fandom has been giving me in my short time here so far! I'm always craving interaction! But if this is a sign of things to come... On one hand, I am REALLY enjoying the Batman Audio Adventures and so am glad that this is a sign of them gaining more popularity! But at the same time, discourse is just... Exhausting and I'd rather not be forced into engaging with it if I don't have to. >.<
#batman discourse#joker discourse#tumblr discourse#maniac life#maniac muses#answered asks#answered#anon#anonymous#long post#sorry this post ended up being so long lol. I did not intend for it to end up this length. But I feel like that always happens with me. XP
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Whenever I read anything in comics or in fanfic about "we can't kill the Joker because that would be doing what he wants, we have to let the law take care of him" I just. giggle.
He's shown multiple times premeditation, which indicates he does, in fact, understand the consequences of his actions. By law, he is mentally fit enough to stand trial.
By law, he would more than likely be sentenced to death, many many times over, after being branded a terrorist. He wouldn't even be housed in New Jersey, he'd be sent to someplace like Guantanamo Bay, ultra secure max prison. His execution would be sped up due to flight risk. It would happen out of sight and out of mind, in a glass box so that weird chest bomb of Joker Gas doesn't affect anyone, and then incinerated.
This is comicbookland, so that doesn't happen, but like, if this was the direction Joker's court cases were supposed to go, and it was an assistance program run by Wayne Enterprises that kept stepping in and using legal fuckery to get Joker to Arkham instead of standing trial?
All it would take is just. One little sign off from Barbara. One little tweak.
Joker isn't eligible for that outreach program anymore.
#batman#joker#story prompt i guess#lol#i just think it'd be funny with batman being like#“well i can't condone death but also like the state declared it through valid legal proceedings”#i know it's comicbooklogic that stops joker from standing trial and not an outreach program#because if it was an outreach program barbara would have absolutely destroyed it#or altered it so that joker wasn't viable for it#i don't care about the discourse of “but joker is the best villain for batman!”#no he's not DCU is just too lazy to come up with an actual replacement
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okay i don’t want to give that one person more attention than necessary because they aren’t very reasonable so im just gonna put in my final opinions on this topic on my own post.
no singular civilian person is at fault for the actions of their government or their military. that is the fault of the people at the top of that decision tree alongside those who knowingly and willingly choose to spread propaganda.
its also a bad faith argument to suggest that it is the fault of the russian people due to their silence and inaction when we know that those who have spoken out against the kremlin have been assassinated and imprisoned. we also know that there is little to no democracy in russia.
russians who oppose the invasion of ukraine are not silent, they have been silenced.
and those who have left russia because they did not wish to be drafted or involved in said invasion in any capacity have been pretty fucking vocal about it offline at least from my experience living in hotspot area for slavic immigration.
but even without all that : just being from a country does not make you inherently bad or good or anything really because thats not how it works?? yes environmental factors can greatly impact the way somebody thinks politically and morally etc but its not inherent. like if you look within peoples families a set of siblings may all be raised the same in the same area by the same people with the same rules, regulations and beliefs but you will find that very often sibling 1 has a wildly different worldview to sibling 2 or 3 and so on. thats the beauty of human complexity we make up our own minds ultimately.
anyways i’ve ranted enough
tl;dr - the person at a JO concert singing UM in russian has no real say in the actions of their country and is not a bad person just because they are from russia, they might be a lovely person they might be awful, but whatever they are its not just because they are born in russia and to say so would be xenophobic
#joker out#lois talks fandom discourse#say no to xenophobia even if there are a some really bad apples#because thats just human decency
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the way people care more about jason fighting tim than like any other rogue fighting tim during his robin run is...!
"they're brothers! jason is so horrible to attack his little brother."
aside from the obvious twinkification of tim, stop pushing the family narrative on two people who did not see each other as siblings at that moment.
#and also stop seeing tim as a 5 year old#jason fought him to prove a point#sometimes i wish he really did some serious damage to tim just so you guys would have something reasonable to complain about#gosh a 16-17yr old crime fighter who fights people like bane for a living definitely has trauma from a guy two years older than him#fighting him#yes jason todd the kid who was murdered for being robin would definitely go out and kill the next kid who is robin#because yessss his whole point is that he's jealous of the next robin and therefore needs to harm him worse than the joker harmed jason#like please i'm so tired of this discourse#why the fuck would jason- the child murder victim who died as robin and bc of batman taking on a child soldier- want to kill the next robin#you'd think the narrative that jason tried to kill tim would only be in like some fics#but nope! it's in every goddamn batfam fic i've ever read to this day#not even exaggerating#anti tim drake#anti batfam#jason todd#red hood#batman#dc
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My curiosity keeps knocking, so I've gotta pull the thread. Why would you erase Joker from existence if you could?
I'll break it down:
1. The Joker has no point.
There is not one consistent message in The Joker. It's not trying to "say" anything at all, because it commits to nothing. Instead, it almost says several things. It almost comments on the haves versus the have-nots. It almost comments on mental illness. It almost comments on society's treatment of those with mental illnesses. It almost comments on the government's spending. It almost comments on violence and comedy. But everything it tries to comment on feels like a sentence that gets cut off at the halfway point; after telling you the bad news and promising good news, it fails to deliver.
I'll tell you how it does this. Arthur Fleck is introduced as mentally ill. (As in, there was a developmental problem with his brain chemistry that causes him to miss social cues and laugh nervously.) This means that when he is mistreated by background characters for "being different," the audience should start to feel sorry for him and consider how a mentally ill person should be treated. But wait. He's not actually mentally ill because of a diagnosable problem with his brain chemistry—he claims he feels clearer and better when he's off his meds. Add that to the revelation that he wasn't born with a brain-chemistry issue. He was abused by his mom's ex. So, maybe he's not actually "crazy." Maybe, he's seeing the world as it really is? After all, it's been dark and terrible for him since he was a child. Or no, because what about that laughing tick, that's not normal, right? And he's hallucinating a life with a girl he's attracted to, and believes it enough to walk into her apartment like that's normal. So is he crazy, or just the only one responding correctly to a world as dark as he is?
The movie won't tell you. It starts a sentence, then cuts off before any thought or truth statement can be completed.
The movie also sets itself up as if those who have should be taking responsibility for society's "have-nots." Or it starts to. Mr. Wayne is introduced as directly responsible for the hardship Mrs. Fleck has fallen into. He is Arthur's father, and should be caring for him. But instead, he beats up and ignores the guy most entitled to, and in need of, his help. Just like the way he ignores the poor people in his city, right? But wait. No. Maybe none of that is true. Maybe Mr. Wayne is entirely innocent of abandoning Arthur and his mother—this was all the delusion of a selfish drug-addicted woman, and the rumors she's spreading ultimately lead to the assassination, not only of Mr. Wayne's good character, but of his actual life. And his wife's. So is the character who has power and influence and badmouths the poor a portrayed in a negative light, or a positive light? Is this character a selfish rich person who cares nothing for those less fortunate than himself, or is he just one more guy who could've been good if others' cruelty (Mrs. Fleck's lies) hadn't pushed him "past the breaking point?" Does that justify his cruelty, if it's true?
Both. Neither. Nothing at all. The movie won't tell you.
So you can pick whatever ending you want. But. No you can't. You can't even do that. Because guess what? It's all in Arthur Fleck, inmate of Arkham Asylum's, crazy head. Maybe none of it was real.
2. The Joker is therefore only successful as a piece of entertainment.
Everyone could've guessed that as soon as they saw it was a movie about the Joker. Nobody needed this movie in any sense. We already know more than one origin story for the Joker, as a character. We've already done-to-death every interpretation of his craziness. Everybody knows who he is and what he's like. So obviously, this was just going to be entertaining.
That's bad enough. Stories are supposed to remind you of goodness, beauty, and truth. Why? I'm not going to dissect it because everyone can read the pinned post on my blog. But because: the world's dark enough already, and it's easy to lose your sense of goodness, beauty, and truth. A story, even if it's a tragedy, even if it has no "happy ending," can still take you out of your present state of mind, sit you down in a fresh state of mind, and remind you of truth. Being "entertaining" is just one of the tools that the story uses to take you there. Or it's supposed to be.
When you take the point, the truth, the message, the "theme," out of a story, then it's just the Romans distracting the populace with coliseum spectacle so they forget that they're losing money and wasting their lives. Woohoo. "Fun. Entertainment."
You can disagree with me about that if you want. You can believe, like many I know, "it's fine to just turn off your brain and be entertained! Not everything has to mean something! I bet you're fun at parties!" Okay, cool, so you like being entertained, and The Joker entertained you.
The problem is, what were you being entertained by?
Because:
3. The Joker increases an appetite for evil in the audience.
I don't care. I said it. It's painfully obvious.
First of all, you came here to what? Watch the bad guy lose and the good guy win? No. This movie's got no Batman. You came to glut yourself on two hours of the bad guy with no pesky good guy to share his spotlight.
Is that too harsh? Maybe you just came in expecting the Joker to be about how a good man goes bad. Okay. Uplifting. But sure, maybe a cautionary tale could be useful.
But that's not what you get with the Joker. We already established: there's no lesson, no point, to this movie besides entertainment.
And I don't just mean "aw booo, there was way too much icky blood and scary suspenseful music. Oh no, a movie about a villain had villainy in it!!"
Nope.
I mean, tell me why Arthur Fleck only has moments of peace and transcendence after he murders someone? Why's the sunlight warming him up, like a benevolent gift from the heavens, in the shot after he smothers his mother with a pillow? Why are those somber strings playing out a ditty he can "be himself" and dance to after he shoots three young men? Why is he only experiencing clarity after he kills?
Why are the most "interesting" parts of Joaquin Phoenix's portrayal the parts where the character is killing, stealing, or thinking about killing?
Why is so much effort put into telling the story as if Arthur Fleck is sympathetic, no matter which way you look at it? He only kills mean people. Except his mother. Oh but she was kind of mean, too. Never mind that whatever caused her to ignore, lie, and abuse her son was also played off, in the movie, like a mental illness. The very thing we're meant to feel sorry for Arthur about.
The movie won't tell you who's right or wrong. But it makes you see everything through Arthur's eyes, with nobody to stop him or correct him or offer a differing point of view—and that alone is dangerous. Your mirror neurons are going to make you sympathize with that main character, regardless of how heinous his actions are, when the storytellers are so careful to offer you all these reasons why his actions were "justified."
The Joker was invented to have a Batman. Introduce a villain—even a sympathetic villain—but you have to also introduce the opposite of that villain. It can be one line of dialogue; it doesn't have to be a hero. But you have to say something about the evil when it is represented. Instead of inviting everyone to feel for the villain...then leaving them feeling vaguely satisfied when he commits atrocities. They can't help it. It's the first time he's looked at peace, or in control of anything. That's how the movie is made.
So you're entertained by looking for a statement that isn't there—or by watching one man brutally slay five people, one of whom is his mother, because you were just so excited to see some blood, to see a man snap. Panem et circuses. At its finest. And you paid for it. Smart. Cultured, of you.
I'd wipe that movie out of existence and force the writers and directors to stare at a wall while sad violin music plays in the background for exactly how many days it took them to make that movie, if I could.
#Asked#answered#the joker#Joaquin phoenix#joaquin pheonix joker#arthur fleck#joker 2019#discourse#Movie#movies#storytelling#The joker fans#joker love#dc joker#not you avoicefromthecorner#Just anyone who thinks this was a good movie in any sense at all.
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aang having a code against killing makes sense because as the last airbender he carries the weight of his entire peoples and culture on his wee shoulders, and that includes respecting and valuing all life. it is core to his being, and him finding a roundabout way to solve the issue of killing ozai makes sense both as an airbender and for the story. we find out later in the kyoshi series that murder literally inhibits your ability to airbend, hence kyoshi and her mother's use of fans! and dont bring your utilitarian "oh we can save more lives by killing one person" into this, because sure that can work for another show but not this one!! it is literally the core thesis of the show! have some media literacy my god
#aang#avatar aang#ill put respect to their name!#atla#avatar the last airbender#we can debate the morality of killing all you want we'll talk ourselves in circles and not add anything new to the conversation#people and silly little philosophers have been debating this stuff for centuries#“x was in the right y is in the wrong”#shut up! whether killing is justified in certain cases or not depends on the show and the message its trying to give#and what will be more thematically satisfying#and dont u dare bring the “batman should kill the joker” debate into this#or do idc ill fight you#batman cant kill the joker but the red hood and his other victims can that is my stance#and ive seen like no debates in the morality of killing in black sails discourse because everyone is on the same boat
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i've had more than one friend harassed over fanfic/shipping now and i'm so fucking done.
i know i don't have a lot of followers and i'd hope most people around here don't do it but if you think this is in any way acceptable, unfollow me. there are real people behind the screen and bullying them and sending them hate is not justifiable at all.
if you don't like something, unfollow/block/ignore. move along.
#joker out#i'm sorry i know we should let the discourse die#i'm just tired of seeing people get hurt over this#and when it involves MY friends??? people i care about??? yeah sorry i can't do this shit#do i personally believe a lot of it comes down to the nature of internet communication which isn't always great for nuanced conversations#which then leads to situations escalating when they didn't have to?#yes i do and i mostly kept discussion about all of this limited to private spaces/convos with people i trust#and also i believe problems/tensions in the fandom had been brewing for a couple of months now lol#but right now it's just fucking impossible to even exist as a fan around here jfc#anyway fuck you if you send anon hate it doesn't matter to who it's pathetic
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Saw a rather mean post last night, and genuinely, I do not understand how people can play Persona 5 (particularly Royal), and come out thinking Akechi genuinely hates Joker when Morgana outright states for the audience, "You don't really hate Joker, do you?" Akechi laments how they didn't meet a few years earlier and how they could've been "great rivals, perhaps even friends."
o_O Like... is this a vanilla thing? I genuinely don't get it. The interrogation room wasn't even his idea (SIU director mentions as much). It's not even about the ship- the game spells out that their bond is more complex, and it just so happens that a lot of people like to explore it as one. Even as platonic, tho, there's a shit ton of depth.
Idk, any time I see discourse (especially people making fun of Shuake fans and stuff), I just question how many people actually paid attention to the dialogue. Even the "I hate you speech" reads as him being extremely emotionally constipated and conflicted. Plus, y'know...
Very hateful. Sure. :p Idk, maybe certain playthroughs of the game remove all those moments where the game spells out that they have a special bond (Maruki even states it isn't based on hatred, but that's only if you get his third awakening).
Just wish people would get off their high horses, if anything. Sometimes I see people get really condescending about liking Akechi or liking Shuake, and like... just block the tags if you don't like these things instead of posting untagged ship/character bashing and making fun of fans? At least have the decency to tag it as something that Shuake fans can filter because some of those posts are really mean-spirited. :/ You think we haven't heard it all before? I may be new to the fandom, but I have heard that this BS has been going on for years.
I don't think it really matters if there are "healthier" ship options because some of us prefer the messiness, the depth, and complexity. It's not for everyone, and I respect favoring more straightforwardly sweet and wholesome dynamics or wishing your favorite pair got more spotlight. I'm a Riku and Kairi shipper in Kingdom Hearts, for crying out loud. :P I get it, but you're not gonna win anyone over to your side by telling them that [insert ship here] is better. In my case, it makes me more averse because of how deeply their relationship in the confidant, engine room, and third sem touched me and seeing people go "yeah, but you are wrong for feeling that way, THIS is better" is just... yeah. :/
(Also, people gotta learn the difference between hitmen and serial killers. Akechi is the former, which I've ranted about before, but yeah.)
So many fandom problems could be solved if people didn't take the piss out of others for shipping something they don't personally like. x_x; By all means, feel the way you feel, it's okay to not like things.
#goro akechi#persona 5#persona#persona 5 joker#joker p5#akira kurusu#ren amamiya#not naming names but the amount of times i see people shit on shuake fans while ignoring blatant dialogue in the game#i was just trying to look for cool akechi posts last night#every time people make fun of shuake fans i like the other joker ships less and less tbh#the ship and the character mean so much to me#discourse
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The logic of C // A stans
Their proof that Glimmer is abusive:
- Glimmer blaming Adora for her mother's death (immediately apologized)
- Glimmer saying that Adora isn't Shadow Weaver's favorite (fake argument to lure out Double Trouble)
Their proof that C // A isn't abusive:
- 'it's canon!' (Doesn't mean shit lmao)
- 'They were enemies' (even when they were kids, Catra abused Adora)
- They call others homophobic/racist etc (again, doesn't mean anything. Also most people who critize C//A aren't that)
- The same 4 screenshots that aren't even romantic or even the real Catra (the hologram, fake portal reality, 0000.01 seconds of Adora looking at Catra, Season 5)
They really have to stretch so hard to justify it. Meanwhile, a lot of Glimmadora shippers and C//A critics have.... quite a lot of evidence proving otherwise. We don't have to reach for the same 2 screenshots to show that Adora and Glimmer cared about each other. The same goes for showing Catra's abuse. We have PLENTY of that in the show.
the fact that they have to use FAKE catra or instances that are completely taken out of context to prove that c//a is healthy says enough. meanwhile glimmer and adora could be making out on screen and stans will still say that they’re sisters 🤡 ah yes, the person who my mom raised alongside me is not my sister but this girl i met and befriended when i was 17 is my sister /s
#it’s no use arguing with them at this point#they know i’m sure they know#theyre just in denial#spop critical#spop salt#spop#spop discourse#spop criticism#she ra#anti spop#anti catradora#anti c//a#anticatradora#anti stans#also do they use the “its canon” excuse for other shitty ships like edward and bella or joker and harley?#or is it just for shitty queer representation.
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I think more and more people are starting to forget that the fun of liking fictional characters is that they’re fictional and your morality should never be judged by the actions of your favorite fictional characters.
“Oh my god you like (x) ???!!!!! They killed people in the movie they’re in. How could you like them? You’re a murderer too because you like a fictional character who killed people!!!”
“What do you mean (x) is your favorite fictional character??!! They EAT people!!!! Holy shit you’re a cannibal in real life!!!”
Like…. No? It doesn’t work that way. And if you (general you) harass real people over their favorite fictional characters in hope to make yourself look righteous, then I don’t know, maybe instead of making yourself look righteous, it just makes you a bully?
“So this person’s favorite fictional character is (x) and (x) is a fictional villain who does bad things in the movie they’re in, so I’m gonna bully this person in real life because how dare they like (x)!” — if this is your logic and if you think defending fictional characters who were wronged by another fictional characters gives you the right to harass real people in real life, then please be aware that you’re a real-life bully.
No, you don’t have to like a fictional character who does bad things, but that doesn’t mean you can be a real-life villain by harassing real people who like said fictional character.
Liking a fictional character who eats people doesn’t make you a real-life cannibal, and if there’re people who think you are one, because your favorite fictional character is, then that is their problem.
Stan whichever fictional characters you like, and if you see something you don’t enjoy, instead of being a troll, you can just ignore and keep on scrolling.
Fandoms should be people’s safe place where they can have fun talking and making content — fan art, fanfics — about their favorite fictional characters. Fandoms are not and should never be a courtroom where a person’s morality is being judged based on the actions of their favorite fictional characters.
Sometimes people can just like fictional villains without being ones in real life, it’s called having enough brain cells to separate fiction from reality.
#discourse#fandom#fandoms#fandom police#fandom memes#hannibal#billy hargrove#joker#vecna#stranger things#henry creel#grindelwald#gellert grindelwald#hannibal lecter#hannigram#villians#villian#loki#hela#agatha#wanda maximoff#wanda#scarlet witch#supernatural#gorr#sylvie#izzy hands#thanos#the scarlet witch
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as someone who is a fan of both (though i tend to lean to the rogues side for reasons im about to mention) im always deeply fascinated by the discrepancy in the atmosphere of the batfam and the rogues gallery corners of batman fan spaces. every time i go look at rogues stuff people are just chillaxing and every time i go look at batfam stuff its 394939043 posts of how [character] is stupid and overhyped and fans of [character] are annoying and how all comics with [character] are bad and like. god damn. i guess it could be blamed on either the comparative popularity of the batfam or that fans of the 'hero' side are by nature more caught up in fictional morals whereas fans of the 'villain' side are just generally down to clown (pun not intended), idk, but either way its interesting to see how much better of a time people appear to be having in rogues fan spaces on a surface level
#talking#theres no thesis to this just my 2 cents#i think a good example of this would be like. the joker#people have wildly varying opinions on the joker in rogues circles but i have yet to see like vitriolic discourse about it anywjere#people just like. respect each others opinions and move on#vs if this was batfam you KNOWWW itd be like a sitewide point of contest etc
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Me whenever anyone says anything even slightly negative about a fandom I'm in: Well I guess they mean that I personally did something wrong which means this fandom will be ruined for me for like a day and also I will cry about it
#And 80% of the time I did none of the things that were being critiqued#I just take things very personally very fast#Vent#I guess?#This is about the JaNace discourse but it has happened many times before#I hate it#Joker Out
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novi val in warsaw 14/11
#joker out#nace jordan#jan peteh#jance#bojan cvjetićanin#kris guštin#jure maček#okay so there's discourse about people desperate to get nace (and jure) to take photos and bereal and stuff#and like that's not even the worst fandom news i've heard today#but we won't get into that#instead lets appreciate how goddamn cute they are#especially nace's wiggles#also definitely a homophobojan hiding in there asjhkdsahl#novi val
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i know people have been going “???” but i don't think we've talked enough about how hilarious it is that martin found bojan in bed all cuddled up with someone (probably kris?) very drily said “classic” and then just moved on. did he really imply bojan just tends to sleep with people like that because he's too clingy to sleep alone. what was that about huh
#joker out#bojan cvjetićanin#martin jurkovič#I know there's a socks discourse but how cute is it that bojan's so used to sleeping with someone that Martin's just like yeah whatever#like???? excuse me
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I uh...ahem...see a similarity
#anti catra#spop criticism#anti c//a#anti catradora#spop crit#antic//a#spop discourse#spop salt#anti spop#spop critical#anti joker x harley quinn#I forgot what the ship name is called
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Dp x p5r prompt
Danny gets sucked into a new universe where ghosts don't exist, but shadows do, and who better to take on a weird shadow than joker!
"Hey I need a different persona right now"
"How is that my problem Mr. Main character. Find a way to summon a second one, it's already bad enough I only get to be sentient when we're in this world"
Or
Danny decides this isn't his universe and joker needing other abilities is not his problem
#dp x p5r#danny phantom#danny fenton#joker persona 5#danny is a menace#can you imagine#the persona discourse between danny and like captain kid?#it would be so so so funny#where do the personas go when they're not manifested?#do they all just hang out in the mind space?#do you think they gossip?
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