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lambmotifz · 1 month

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thinking about those two times dean confessed to sam that he enjoyed killing & torturing people and how both times sam was understanding and just accepted it

#if you don’t think sam loved dean unconditionally then idk what to tell you #i’m seeing so much sam hate lately so i just wanted to point it out #the fandom doesn’t talk enough about dean’s sadistic tendencies me thinks #wincest #samdean #sam winchester #dean winchester #spn

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stonenumberone · 6 months

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I found this magnificent treasure while re-organizing the hot mess I call ‘library’.

I left this fandom a loooong time ago but I’m currently rewatching and going down memory lane. The hyper fixation is definitely back.

The early days of this fandom, wow, we were not chill. Kripke and the rest of the writers weren’t either tbh.

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Table of contents (authors + working links)

Safekeeping - olivia j. h. [Archived but still works]

The Boy Who Fell - flipmontigirl [fragment interview with the author]*

All Things Bright and Beautiful - angstslashhope, hopeful-fiction, hope [AO3]

Any Which Way You Can - traveller [AO3]

Devil's In The Details - fatale [Archived but still works]

Down to the End 'verse - esorlehcar [AO3]

Fundamental Image 'verse - rei_c [AO3]

Winds And Viewless Ways - nym, nymeria, reikah

In The Flesh (A Vernacular Of Scars) - mikhale [Archived but still works]

Lying In Ruins - mikhale [Archived but works]

Immutable Law - eight_horizon, gekizetsu [AO3]

Lost In The Sea Of Sky - HallshellVenus [AO3]

Katakiuchi (If Not Victory) - mona1347 & poisontaster [AO3] [AO3]

On The Crest Of The Sun - pixel_0 [LJ]

Remembering Slow - veronamay [AO3]**

Highway Survivalists' Roadmap - drvsilla, drvology [AO3]

To Everyone Who Thinks Sam Looks Like a Puppy: You Have No Fucking Idea, by Dean Winchester - moonythestrals [Archived but still works]

Samson Went Back To Bed - endora-taylor [LJ]

The Vagaries of Disbelief - sevenfists [AO3]

Soul Searching - meghan-mrks, brynwulf [WEB]

Present Tense - moveablehistory [LJ]

*author seems not confident enough about this story.

**veronamay has lots of fics on ao3, but not this one. I'll send her a message and report back.

#spn #samdean #wincest #slash fiction #fanfiction #the epic love story of sam and dean #otp: i love you so much my baby brother #homoerotic subtext #fandom history #wincest fic rec

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flugame-mp3 · 1 month

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OH YALL WERENT KIDDING SAMS FIRST REACTION UPON HEARING ABOUT DESTIEL IS TO GO "what about... sastiel 🤔" IM DEAD

#samantha i am on to you.#spn #theo.txt #every day i endure the fandom meta episodes im dead #sam is so unbothered i love that hes into this #'rpf is fine' -sam winchester #spn liveblog #spn 10x05 #sastiel

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soullessjack · 3 months

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lord knows I do not have the capacity to explain it right now but I have so much disdain for how heteronormative and nuclear this fandom is hellbent on making destiel and lord knows I have an even bigger hatred for how jack is used to fuel it.

#just say you hate actual queer men and fuck off girl #you don’t want queer representation you want something palatable and sanded down and. Buzzfeed-ified I don’t fucking know #or even just how basic masculinity is treated in the fandom like oh my fucking god. queer men are not a monolith of effeminate nail painters #I am so tired and angry and I want to fall asleep but I can’t so here you get this #cal.txt #spn #supernatural #spn fandom #fandom critical #destiel #dean winchester #castiel #domestic destiel #jack kline #baby jack #you treat cas like a diet woman and dean like he eats raw liver for breakfast and jack looks like fucking junie b jones for some reason #I hate it here I truly really do and yet I can’t leave because I also love it

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super-marvel-dc · 24 days

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Y/N: *Walks into The Avengers compound, and greets them* hello, who called about the demon problem?

Tony: That would be me, Tony Stark *shakes Y/N's hand*

Y/N: Nice to meet you, Mr. Stark.

Dean, from the corner of the room: And I'm Dean Winchester, and this is my brother Sammy.

Sam: It's just Sam...

Y/N, to Tony: Are they apart of your team?

Tony: No.

Steve: We called them in because they're supposed to be the best of the best when it comes to demons.

Dean: We are the best of the best, but these demons are something else.

Sam: We've never encountered something like them before.

Y/N: Can you describe them to me?

Dean: Well, normally the demons we fight look human and have black eyes.

Sam: Yeah, there are different, though... They looked like actual monsters you see on TV and had different colored eyes...

Dean: Yeah. And they had some kind writing in their eyes, couldn't tell what, though.

Y/N: Uh oh...

Everyone: Uh oh, what?

Y/N: I'll be right back, I'm going to call my friends... I know exactly what we're dealing with, and it's not good.

Y/N: *On the phone call* Yeah, and tell Rengoku to tell the others we'll need their help, too.

Y/N: *Hangs up, and looks at everyone*

Tony: Who's Rengoku, and what's going on?

Y/N: *Sighs* OK, I'll explain everything to you, but you're gonna have to sit down for this because it's a long story.

Dean: Firstly, start off with who the hell you are.

Y/N: My name is Y/N Y/L/N, my friends and I deal with these demons you told me about...

Y/N: I'm a Hashira.

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poorlittleyaoyao · 4 months

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Beefleaf isn't canon. Mxtx has said she doesn't like to write another gay ship different from the main (she struggled with svsss)

I have heard about this! The content I saw was just so insistent about Beefleaf that I wondered if maybe I was misremembering and the "no same-gender side couples" thing applied to MDZS only. (I have gotten similar vibes from Moshang and from whatever Yue QIngyuan and Shen Jiu's ship name is, but I've now obtained Vol. 1 of SVSSS and plan to read it, so if those two aren't actually canon, don't tell me! It can be a surprise!)

The "no side couples"--or, in MDZS's case, "no queer characters AT ALL besides the protag, his love interest, and the disgraced goth weirdo who annihilates himself to resurrect the protag"--thing confuses me, because... I guess I don't get the point of it? I totally understand not having the bandwidth to develop more than one couple. The challenge of adequately building up other relationships fully independent of your main couple without detracting from the exploits of your protagonist and his love interest could be daunting, as would expanding the story's focus and juggling multiple equally-prominent lead characters for an effective ensemble piece. But here it seems like people picked up a vibe between the characters from what was already there in the text and then MXTX was like, "oh, no, they're not a couple! there's just the one couple!" and THAT I don't get. If she's disinterested in writing women, but has a cast of attractive men who are all obsessed with each other, why not toss a romance in there between some of the guys? Again, you can keep it entirely as-is and just toss a kiss in there or confirm in interviews that yes, they were in love, and you're so happy readers picked up on that even though you didn't get to tell their full story on the page.

I am extrapolating based on the Xiyao situation specifically, so maybe this doesn't apply to her other works! But it is a choice that confuses me. A couple doesn't have to be that developed; Xuanli certainly aren't, but their existence is a major plot point. I should think that the presence of other m/m couples would bolster the main couple, if anything, because it sets a precedent for them existing in their world. There are situations where adding an expressly romantic element would change something fundamental about the relationship, but there are just as many where the addition of a romantic element changes nothing or makes it make more sense (case in point: Xue Yang's freakout after killing Xiao Xingchen).

Like I said, I get not wanting to devote energy to it, and I also get that sometimes a work or performance is received by the audience in ways the artist didn't intend (this is the Destiel website, after all), but to make it a conscious choice to have One M/M Couple Only? Based on what I currently know, this perplexes me.

#there are plenty of works that have a bajillion guys and only like two women but do NOT intend anything romantic between the guys #but these are things like shounen anime (or fuckin SPN lol) that are written for straight male audiences and don't prioritize romance #whereas these here are epic romances about two gay men written for predominantly female audiences #it's not like your audience is going to be like 'a romance between two DIFFERENT men in my m/m love story? outrage!' right?#anyway the 'nobody likes men except the protags' is so funny in MDZS because of Xuexiao specifically #notable danmei author MXTX I find it very unlikely that the plot you repurposed from an earlier novel project was Just Guys Being Dudes!!#unrebloggable bc this fandom gets WEIRD when ppl say anything that could even be construed as critical of craft

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hauntedpearl · 6 days

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i AM cassandra of troy fr.

#LISTEN TO ME FINE FOLK #and then you drown me #and then i dir #anyway let me outline tbr discourse for you (<—my hobby as a child of a shitty marriage.i can predict that fight upto and over 8 volleys):#people will first be like hahaha we done goofed. and then someone will take one of the we done goofed posts way too personally #people will then start making posts about how fandom folk think they are superior than the others. anyway good for him (dj qualls)#some people.will be in full rpf mode like we don't know thaf it NEVER happened. good for them also. bc likr we dont actually.#and then there will come posts about queer rights and queer marriage and what does and doesn't constitute as queerbaiting #(because the we done goofed posts will include some level of reference to the legacy of spn queerbait and people WILL NOT like that. )#as per usual the people who love the castcrew v #.people who are neutral about the castcrew v..people who are here for the bit #24h video set to. like. cancan or sth #some 20-25 blogs blocking/softblocking each other.#another Tuesday in Tumblr history

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suncaptor · 3 months

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I also don't think that the way Dean is interested in his pop culture movies and shows and stuff would make him a geek in some socially deviant way at all since they are usually popular interests that he uses to connect to others if it weren't for the fact he is like. so ashamed about it and also can't control the degree of it. Like it's how he communicates and when he actually lets himself connect with what he enjoys he's larping and connecting with people he'd have mocked before. it's the way that part of him specifically doesn't fit the performative shell he's built for himself except in certain ways, like he can't use the volume control on any of it correctly. Literally would be happiest around geeks and nerds forever. But honestly checks out because despite his cool guy persona or whatever he literally mostly defined himself around protecting his nerdy geeky brother he loves spending time around the most. Even if his brother obviously is interested in lame nerdy things instead of his favourite movie for the 31st time 🙄🙄

#do you see what im saying. anyways.#spn #incoherents #supernatural #dean #dean winchester #anyways i love that side of him the most. ben edlund really added that depth to y #him and its soooo endearing #i do think they went harder with it too bc they wanted their fandom to relate you know #but i appreciate his infectious enthusiasm. if it werent for the *gestures* id get along SO well #i really love dean coding traits haha

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quietwingsinthesky · 9 months

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Dean is such a paradox for me because on the one hand, I have been actively triggered by him in the show, there are moments where, intentionally or not, the writers managed to create a portrayal of manipulation and abuse and control issues that it sets off actual alarms for me. And on the other hand, I would not have him any other way. There is something — not comforting, that’s too soft a word — about knowing where Dean’s actions stem from, having seen and learned all that we do about his childhood neglect and parentification and the trauma he goes through repeatedly in the show, and that he doesn’t come out clean. He comes out a goddamn mess who ends up hurting the people around him in reaction to his own pain!

There’s a reality there that’s. Almost nice, actually. Distressing to watch, but it is a fucking mess, it’s a good mess! He’s got zero healthy coping skills and a healthy relationship with say, his brother, is terrifying because it leaves him open to abandonment!

I’m not sure I’m wording this correctly. There is a way to be a good abuse victim. Take the pain, martyr yourself on it, and then, even if you have no support or idea how to, then you have to become a Good Person who never hurts anyone the way you have been learning to your entire life. Simply toss everything that shaped you out the door and emerge a saint with a tragic backstory. And Dean is not that. And that’s so fucking good. Everything that he has gone through continues to effect the way he treats the people around him, and he can’t fight the behaviors he might recognize as harmful because he also sees them as protecting him (or protecting Sam by keeping Sam with him.)

And sometimes, idk. It feels good to see a guy who didn’t heal the “right way.” Who mostly didn’t heal at all, just keeps the wound open because it’s easier that way.

#there’s a whole other bit to this about how like. it’s hard for fandom to hold the idea that someone can be both a victim and abusive #at the same time. that the ways someone has been hurt don’t always shape them into kindness and wide-eyed sympathy. occasionally it just #makes them hard to live with. and I think most obviously is the thing that a lot of what Dean does is an expression of love. of protection.#he’s very much his father’s son in that way. that’s why Sam. the guy he’s been Told to protect his whole life. is also the person he ends up #hurting the most. it’s tragedy. it’s realistic. it’s a good fucking mess.#and that’s why I don’t get interpretations of dean that are determined to shave off the ugly parts of his character. to me those are the #parts that make him a character worth revisiting. he’s so full of love. and he uses it to hurt people. he means to sometimes. a lot of the #time he doesn’t but hurts them anyway. he has been shaped by violence his whole life. and it’s just. I get why someone might take this #part of him away. to make him easier to love. because I get that he’s stressful to watch also like I get that. but he is.#he is compelling. in his anger and his controlling behavior and his strangling love. he is compelling in all the ways he has become this.#Dean’s degradation into these behaviors can be both a failure of a show that ran to long but also the believable trajectory of a man who #can’t heal. and I love him for that. I love him for emerging from pain as a angry sharp thing. I love that it brings the glimpses of him #being gentler and recognizing his actions as bad into stark relief. I love that this recognition often only lasts until he is hurt again and #then he backpedals into the safety of behaviors he knows will allow him to control a situation through force or manipulation.#it’s good fucking mess. you know? dean winchester everybody.#maybe I should have put all that in the main post. oh well. too late now.#spn #dean winchester #tw abuse

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blacknidstang · 7 months

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No fandom has ever given me an evergrowing reading list and new poems to discover the way wincest fandom did. Like legit these insane web weaving and edits people make, pheww. I think personally this hasn't been as prevalent in other spaces I've been?? I think this is also why wincest on tumblr is so amazing while i preferred twitter for other series. Like web weaving is so unique to tumblr and wincesters thrive here more and more every day. God bless you all.

#spn #wincest #im not counting bsd bc it's the show itself that urges you to read books #not gonna jinx it but beside amazing friends i know in other fandoms #wincest has been the greatest fandom experience so far #like in a much larger scale #yes i have found most beloved friends from worst fandoms but wincest is fandom really makes my day better everyday #all the ppl i am not friends with or i dont even follow #but come to my dash with great posts #love love love y'all

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freakwiththeknifecollection · 1 year

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Spn fandom Bechdel test challenge, talk about an spn woman without mentioning Dean

#supernatural #spn #spn fandom #spn women #women of spn #spn ladies #I love the guy but come on #it's bad enough that they're doomed by the narrative and fridged but they can hardly exist in fandom spaces without #being compared and contrasted to Dean in some way #there are interesting points to be made but can these women have their own identities and motivations outside of him sometimes?#the show treated some of them as accessories to Dean's story and that's all they are in fandom sometimes #they're just used to teach you something about Dean to reflect Dean to want to be Dean #and once the point is made they're not talked about again at least not individually

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locke-esque-monster · 7 months

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You know what I find really fascinating about the destiel confession? The entire discourse about if it's canon or not.

Let's ignore those who say Cas's speech wasn't romantic love for the purposes of this post (though I beg them to try to limitus test I've seen of giving that speech to a platonic friend or relative and it not being uncomfortably weird).

I'm talking about how the argument I've seen, both by Destiel shippers and non-shippers it isn't canon if Dean never responded.

And like yeah - that's fascinating.

First because it means everyone has their own definition of canon. Is it someone confessing their love to the person they're in love with? Is it both parties confessing? Is it a physical action like a kiss or sex? Do you have to have both the love confession and the physical act or will only one suffice? Is it someone acknowledging to themselves or another 3rd party their love for someone even if it's not to the person in question?

We all have our own definition of canon intrinsically and this one happens to fall in an incredibly loose gray area.

And that's because there's the other limbo of this confession in Dean's lack of response. I actually can think of no other example of a show that does anything like this (though if they exist I'd love to know). Any other show would have something definitive at some point of Dean acknowledging the sentiment. Dean confessing back. Dean telling Cas he loves him, but as a friend. Dean telling someone after Cas's death he was in love with Cas. Dean being confused by Cas's confession and him dealing with that love after the fact that he doesn't share. Dean acknowledging afterwards he doesn't know how he feels about Cas's confession. Quite literally - any verbal acknowledgement either during or after the fact this confession happened.

And it doesn't exist. It's Schrodinger's confession. Or maybe Schrodinger's response. We all (Destiel shippers) assume the cat is dead because all evidence points to the fact (it's been in the box 3 years after all). But there are factions pointing to the lack of proof because it isn't official because we haven't looked in the box. And frankly, a lot of people would love to look in the box, find out definitively, but it's not an option on the table. The box isn't in our hands to check.

So instead we treat it like a knock of "Shave and a haircut" without the two knock response. If there's a call, there has to be a response. And we all fill in what we assume the last two knocks are based on our own individual definitions of canon and fight over why our knocks don't match someone else's.

And, on top of that, Cas's confession is all about the being and not having. We can be in the moment and enjoy this ship is canon. But we also can't actually have it (it being a concrete response, a kiss, a happy ending) as much as Cas couldn't. It's prophetic - breaking the 4th wall by accident - it's something almost not quite nothing - regardless there's something about the parallel here that's telling about the ship itself.

So yes, while the shipper in me is eternally torn between this being somehow both terrible and great, the English major/secret TV critic in me finds this terribly fascinating.

#credit to a comment i saw today that called destiel only “canon” if you consider a stalker confessing their love a relationship #my soul died a little #like even if you don't ship it that's a disservice to cas's character and memory #and that inspired me clicking some existing discorse i had on the subject into me trying to understand that kind of response #or at least general fandom discourse bouncing around in my brain for awhile #spn meta #spn #supernatural discourse #supernatural #destiel #deancas #castiel #dean winchester #nov 5th #november 5th #november 5 2020 #schrodinger's cat

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orphiclovers · 9 days

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not to sound actually unhinged but people who draw ship art with dkos saving astronaut!yjh when it was SP who did that Clearly Detected the spyjh vibes in that scene and are too afraid to admit it to themselves. im only half joking when i say this btw you have to admit i have a little bit of a point. if theres no romantic tension there why are we putting kdj in sp's spot huh. checkmate nonbelievers /lh

#not putting this in the tags for once i have self preservation instincts #selfcest #spyjh #you might say i have shipper goggles on and you'd be right but I'd call it reading the subtext seeing the romance coding etc.#being in spn fandom taught me to find ship subtext in the way scenes are lit. this is nothing to me #also no hate to the fan artists obviously lol. i love that art too i just have to make everything abt my rarepair cause im ill. anyway #my posts

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heller-mads · 6 months

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occasionally i wake up and im reminded of the little fact that no one ever tells cas that they loved him and i go insane and then i go to bed and it's just a vicious cycle.

#you might leave the fandom but the fandom never leaves you #i need a nap #all he had to give was love #TOO MUCH HEART #GAH #castiel #spn #supernatural #destiel

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soullessjack · 8 months

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it genuinely kills me very slowly to think that some people can only ever think of jack as the destiel kid and not like an actual person with a myriad of maladjustments or silly funny personality quirks. like he has a whole special red and white fleece lined Christmas jacket and is canonically acknowledged as looking like a stupid hot white boy without any thoughts behind his eyes. He killed a whole fucking archangel and then decided that he really wanted to try making some friends like a week later. they wanna be normal and nice so bad and pretend to be some normal small town boy next door all the time but they were literally so angry once that it took three gunshots fired in the back to make him calm and reasonable.

he stress eats and stays in their room for weeks on end when they’re depressed or upset. they line their shoes up and fold their shirts and wear bright yellow vans and red hi-tops. he’s narratively paralleled to Anakin but his favorite character is Ahsoka. he pretended to be a coke addict and pretended to be a pretty new boy next door again to flirt with a hopelessly romantic girl. women want him and he’s absolutely clueless about it. women and men and probably fish fear him too. he dresses like a combination between an elderly man and a 70’s sitcom hippie. he was literally called Bieber and Suite Life. they like stripe patterns and Hawaiian pizza and movies and computers.

they’re literally an autistic person who just explodes shit when they get overstimulated. They watch riverdale and constantly sweep their hair back in a specific stylistic choice bc he likes looking like that. he fucking decapitated a whole Gorgon and then stole the guy’s snake as a trophy. he says shut up when he’s mad and calls things stupid and says they suck. he’s a teenage girl. he’s. A Teenage boy. He’s non-binary. He sat on the throne of god in grass stained jeans and clunky grandpa sneakers and left it all behind without even blinking as soon as his shitty bunker home called out to him. He sticks his tongue out when he’s focused on something and his left eye pulls up into a squint when he smiles reallt wide and his smile is crooked and he has sleepy eyelids . They decided to defy death herself just to rescue someone he mildly remembered caring about once and then blackmailed a reaper into helping with said rescue plan.

He got turned into the tiniest ugliest dog ever and got a thermometer shoved up his ass in the same episode where he’s narratively symbolized by the ouroboros symbol and makes the deliberate choice of destroying his soul just to selfishly keep his family bc he legitimately cannot handle thinking about losing them without going insane. his nicknames are sweetheart and darling boy and pal and buddy and Jackie Boy and slugger and he apologized to a girl for upsetting her like two episodes after ripping a man’s heart out and eating it raw. He literally actively wants to be a silly little guy that everyone likes but he’s so insane and unwell at the same time. he’s the best character ever and I need the entire world to understand this and to see him as more than just the destiel baby or I will also explode. .

#okay gn I have a teeth cleaning thing tomorrow #that’s enough word salad from me I’m just being autistic and gushing about how much I love jack #spn #jack kline #supernatural #he smiled while he killed Michael too….dont even get me started on what he did with Nick …. god he’s so #he’s so ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️#literally the character of all fucking time I will not be arguing about this I love him so much #jackposting #spn fandom #I’m . Augh .#having emotions sorry gang #liek yes yes we get it he looks like them both can you say something else please #he’s like . a fully functioning person with thoughts and development btw. if you even care #he’s so cool and awesome and silly #category 7 autism event #jack spn #destiel #but only briefly

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danielslaw · 2 years

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RICHARD SPEIGHT JR AS THE ARCHANGEL GABRIEL “gabriel, alright? they call me gabriel.“ “the archangel?“ SUPERNATURAL SEASON 5 EPISODE 8

#richard speight jr #spn gabriel #archangel gabriel #supernatural #spn #spnedit #spn season 5 episode 8 #caliedits #caligifs #fandom: supernatural #(i love all four of the archangels)#(loving that gabriel is often the messenger of god and he is the one to deliver the news to dean and sam that they are human mirrors)#(that they have to be the vessels for a cosmic reason)#(also i love the shift in action and behavior)#(all four archangels have an air of superiority to them which you know. . .archangels)#(gods' deadliest weapons)#(and gabriel whoel trickster thing is terryfing like we all know how he tortured them in his twisted moral way)

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