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I feel like we don't talk enough about how hard it is to be a batfam fan and NOT a batcest shipper
#im so sick of having to filter out all those tags#like i go to ao3 and i have to filter out like 10 different relationships#its exhausting#batfam#batfamily#batman#ew batcest#anti batcest#dc#dc comics#i hate it here
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Why am I getting batcest in my main.
"For you" Tumblr go fuck yourself for that. Who the FUCK do you think you are!!??!
Fucking cunt. They may not be blood but they call themselves brothers you fucking shit dick. I hate you and the woman you crawled out of 😶
God--
#j.p speaks#if you ship ANY of the batfamily youre ugly and bitchless#jason todd#dick grayson#..it was a pick of them im sure.#anti batcest#...ew that name sounds like a disease.#dc comics#i hate yall extremely
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“Shipping Batcest is harmful for real-life adopted families”
First of all, no, no it’s not. “Fictional people fans think should kiss” could not be more abstracted from real life. Get some fuckin perspective, mate.
Second of all, let’s be real here. You just don’t like it. It’s okay to just not like things, or to even be squicked by them. You don’t have to make up reasons why it’s actually bAaAaAaD. You can just go “it squicks me. Next!”
Thirdly, if your issue really is “I believe the very concept to be disrespectful to adopted families” there’s an easy fix for this.
The obvious solution?
Make them all blood related.
Boom. No more issues with “adopted vs. blood related family” anymore!
You’re welcome.
#clearly the only currently ethical Batcest ship is BruDami *nods sagely*#i don’t *need* people to ship Batcest.#it’s totally okay to NOT ship things!#i would just prefer it if people dropped the morality façade and were just open with the fact that they don’t like that people like things.#‘I think the way you play with your paper dolls on your own time is harmful in some vague way with literally no supportive evidence’#fucking LISTEN TO YOURSELVES.#you could be sparking joy for others!#this also conveniently ignores that canon is CONSTANTLY bouncing around#what the batkids think of each other/how Bruce categorized them in his life.#like the entire EXISTENCE of Damian is based on the idea that a blood son is ‘more real’—#AND THAT IS CANON ITSELF.#so…do you renounce all Batcanon? cut ties to it entirely? if not—why not?#oh…so it turns out that it’s only ‘terrible and bad and disrespectful’ and blah blah if it’s done—#—within a sphere wherein you believe yourself to have some amount of power!#you can’t ‘fiction = reality’ fandom while finding a million and one excuses for why ‘fiction != reality’ for motherfuckin CANON.#CANON—which has SO MUCH MORE reach and impact than goddamn…the niche hobby space that is fandom!#i will probably delete this because I try not to get this salty on main…#…unless it’s about Jim Starlin lol.#BUT THIS KINDA SHIT GETS MY BACK UP?#don’t pretend like having a squick is some moral stance with actual meaning besides ‘it ew to me.’
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dances to a little tune
i love writing dark fics with jason and tim being brothers 🫶 in fact, i’ve got a snippet for a demon au i’m working on where jason adopts tim against his will because tim is very brother shaped 😌
check it out (under the cut)
This was it, Jason was going to sacrifice him and eat his magic. Everyone knew demons ate angel magic and Tim had quite literally been offered to the demon prince as a peace offering. It would be so easy for Jason to set him down, draw a few extra runes, and come out that much more powerful. That's what the magic drugs were for, to keep him silent and still while his magic was carved out of him by cruel dark magic.
"You're all mine now, aren't you? And what a perfect gift to be given," Jason purred, cradling Tim close to his chest as he walked down the hall. "An angel fledgling, all to myself. The perfect golden treasure," he murmured, rubbing a hand over Tim's golden wings.
Oh yeah, Tim thought as he slipped deeper. Prince Jason was rumoured to be fond of shiny things.
"There you are, has the magic done its thing?" A deep voice rumbled from beneath him, rattling his bones.
Tim blinked slowly, his head feeling silly. Where was he? He whined, he wanted his flock.
"Oh, shhh Tim, don't stress yourself. I'm right here Timbit," a hand traced through his hair, scratching his scalp in a circular motion.
Tim melted into the action, right that was his flock!
..Right? Yes. Yes, it was. It had to be?
"You are so sweet when you're like this. Maybe I should keep you like this all the time, hm?" Flock asked, moving his hand down to stoke over his wings, picking out broken feathers. "Would you like that? If I keep you nice and happy like this all the time? So pliant and loving," he purred.
they’re so brothers 🫶 family even 🫶
#tim drake#jason todd#batfamily#batfam#my fic#jason todd fic#tim drake fic#dark jason todd#he’s a little unhinged#but it’s okay#he deserves it#as a treat#they’re brothers your honor#ew i hate honour without the u#anyways i hope this reaches the right people#batcest dni#i don’t want you here
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People who ship br*d*ck and d*ckd*mi will BURN IN HELL
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WHY IS THERE DAMITIM STUFF ON MY FEED NOO
Disgusted
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I have just realised that i haven't said this which is stupid of me
but
I hate batcest
that's it
ew
they are siblings
#tim drake#jason todd#cassandra cain#damian wayne#dick grayson#duke thomas#stephanie is a grey space#but i prefer not yk?
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What are your favorite poly ships with Dick in them?
Good question. So, from my own understanding of Dick in comics (and specifically NTT), Dick Grayson is definitely monogamist. However! If he were to be in a polyamorous relationship then Dick with Koriand'r and Roy or Dick with Koriand'r and Wally.
I don't really see Roy and Wally getting along well together if they were with Dick. Like that one is definitely like 50/50. Mainly because I know for a fact if Dick did something fucked up, Roy wouldn't hesitate to call him out, and Wally would possibly get mad about that (there was some comic background to that thought, but alas I am currently away from my comics). And I don't like the idea of Dick with Koriand'r, Wally, and Roy, but I haven't really thought about it super long, so IDK.
I don't see Dick being with Garth or Donna, and I definitely don't see him being with Raven or Beast Boy in any capacity. I don't really keep up with Young Justice, so I can't say much about his ships there.
I don't ship anything batcest or anything that resembles p*do shit. I don't ship Dick with Liu or Eddie, or Miriam Delgado, or Catalina Flores because ew. Um, I don't ship Dick with any rogue and definitely not with any al Ghul because that's too close to batcest behavior. I don't ship him with Barbara, I've never really liked them together.
...So yeah, mainly just those two, I think.
#op#dick grayson#dc#dc comics#nightwing#roy harper#wally west#good question#hope this helps#nightwing ships
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Hey i hate to say this but that jjmk-jjmk person you reblogged from ships Batcest :(
oh ew. Blocking now
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Answer these questions cause I want to
The Fandom I'm talking about is DC cómics, batfam specifically
1. What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?
JayRoy - Because their characters are destroyed for it
Any batcest - Because ew
2.Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?
Almost any ship that exist in canon and fanon because I prefer friendship.
(Exclude Jaykyle from this)
3.Have you ever unfollowed someone over a fandom opinion?
Not to my knowledge but then again I only follow like 10 or so people
4. Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP?
JayArtemis - I much prefer a siblings dynamic or even friends. They're not that popular
5. Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?*
No because I don't really ship people.
6.Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated?*
No.
7. Is there anything you used to like but can’t stand now?
The batfam as a concept but it's so bad now that I just cant
8. Have you received anon hate? What about?*
Not anon but yh I got hate. The usual kill yourself stuff. Made a whole post about it
9. Most disliked character(s)? Why?
Most versions of Bruce. Some of them I love I really really do. But alot of the, especially modern Bruce, I would pay to slap.
Dick- I don't hate him but he got boring for me
10. Most disliked arc? Why?
Scott Lobell - the whole Jokers daughter arc. Because no.
11. Is there an unpopular character you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why?
None that I can think of rn
12. Is there an unpopular arc that you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why?
Probs All Caste arc. Don't get me wrong it was done shittily but I like the concept
13.Unpopular opinion about XXX character?
I don't mind if Jason grows out of the whole Red hood thing. It would be interesting. I actually want him to.
14. Unpopular opinion about your fandom?
We take these characters too seriously (I'mguilty of this too)
15.Unpopular opinion about the manga/show?
Batfam working as a team with their own specialized talents is bad.
The the family would not get along 9/10 times
16.If you could change anything in the show, what would you change?
🤷♀️
17. Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happen…
🤷♀️
18. Does not shipping something ‘popular’ mean you’re in denial and/or biased?
Biased but I ship Jaykyle
19.What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom?
Woobifying Jay
Making the family seem like their children
20.What is the purest ship in the fandom?
After watching AO3 nothing is pure.
21. What are your thoughts on crack ships?
I don't care
22. Popular character you hate?
Not hate really but dislike. Dick grayson. Hes boring to me. He has been for years.
23.Unpopular character you love?
🤷♀️
24 Would you recommend XXX to a friend? Why or why not?
Hell no the Fandom is shit and the comics dc is putting out isn't good.
25. How would you end XXX/Would you change the ending of XXX?
26. Most shippable character?
Dick. Cause he interavts with the most people
27. Least shippable character?
Idk. Maybe Damkian cause hes a kid.
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there aren’t enough jason is the oldest brother au’s and now i’m going to make them. this is a alternation of my au where jason is the oldest but in this specific au dick was robin first instead of jason, and he meets 14 year old jason todd in crime alley and they become brothers. jason literally looks at this little 9 about to be 10 year old and is like why the actual fuck are you not home rn? you need to go home and sleep it’s past ur bedtime. have u been doing it homework? literally jason is like if the fucking batman doesn’t take care of this kid then i will, and just adopts this kid as his little brother. (dw this is a good parent bruce au bc canon bruce is a piece of shit and i hate him) so this is a snippet of that bc i’m so fucking bored. also batcest shippers are disgusting and i need u to not interact or follow me bc ew. fucking ew. THEY ARE SIBLINGS. SIBLINGS. anyways here’s a little snippet!
Jason was counting the amount of change he had socked away from countless pickpockets when he heard little footsteps tiptoe over the lid of the overfilled dumpster next to him. He glanced up, and couldn’t help but give a crooked smile as the tiny mesh of obtusely bright colours gave him an enthusiastic wave.
“Jay!” Robin exclaimed, hopping off of the lid and into Jason’s arms, no matter the dirt and grime that coated Jason like a second layer of skin. He never knew how Robin could stand hugging him, it was like hugging a mangy dog made up of knobbly bones and excitable fleas. Yet, without fail, Robin would curl into his arms and Jason felt like he had the only family he could ever dream of wrapped around his arms.
Jason gave Robin’s hair a little ruffle as he slipped his cigarette out of his mouth, pressing it against the jagged bricks behind him to put it out. He never really liked smoking in front of Robin, the kid was far too polite to vocalize his dislike but he could tell from the way his nose scrunched that it was an issue.
“Guess what happened today?” Robin hummed, biting down on his lower lip in excitement with his barely contained energy seeking through. Jason propped a hand onto his knee and raised a brow questioningly, with that Robin went off on his energetic little spiel.
“I got an A+ on the test! The one you helped me study for last week! I spent all night looking at those little cue cards, the ones from Sylvester’s Stationary? I had all your notes written on them and I just kept droning, on, and on, and on to get it all to stick in my head! Mr. Jansen thinks I cheated! Can you believe that? He thinks there’s no way I could get an A+, that he even reported me to the office! I had to do a redo test right in front of them and I still got an A+! Ha! Take that Mr. Jansen!”
Jason has concluded a long time ago that story time with Robin was the best part of his days. He could be battered and bruised but still smile when the little twerp went on about his day at school. It made him ache a bit, just a smidge, because he wanted to be there with him. He wanted to be at school with his little brother, cackling at teachers and pulling all-nighters for tests. It was a silly dream, an unachievable image that kept him warm when the mounds of snow threatened to freeze his veins. He would just imagine this silly little dream where he had bedsheets, food, warmth and a little brother in tow that lightened up all his minutes.
Robin kept chatting, getting more animated by the minute as Jason interjected a few snide comments here and there to tease him. It was hilarious to watch Robin wag his little finger and tell Jason to knock it off. Robin was just so tiny. Jason couldn’t fathom how Batman could have the conscience to send this child to face the dirty underbelly of Gotham every night. Jason knew if he saw the Bat, he’d punch him. He would lose, obviously, and break a few fingers but he wanted to do it nonetheless. He wanted to shake that stupid fucking Bat and tell him he needed to keep that child safe. That little spritz of fucking sunshine needed to be focusing on school, not roundhouse kicking mafia grunts in Crime Alley so that they would stop hurting some street kid who was going to run off with their hubcaps.
“Jay, where are you going to sleep tonight?” Robin murmured softly as he began to unfurl himself from the ground after a while.
“Where I always do,” Jason muttered, because he knew this game that Robin played. He would try so desperately to get Jason to get off the street, because he swore that he knew someone who would take him in. Jason would scoff at Robins innocence. Once again, who let this kid wander around unsupervised?
Robin would ask this question, in hopes that Jason would concede and follow him, but he never did. It was an idiotic matter of dull pride and an untrustworthy nature that has been sown within the fabrics of his skin. No one was safe. Fucking no one, especially not adults that presumably were alright with a child running around playing superhero. Jason knew better than that, even if Robin didn’t. It was fine, he didn’t want Robin to end up like him anyways. A cynical husk of a person, a ragged little gnat desperate to survive on the scarps he could scour. It was fucking embarrassing, frankly. It was embarrassing that the kid he now had to admit, he viewed as a little brother, was offering to take care of him.
“Is everything alright with you? Everything okay at home?” Jason questioned lowly. He has to ask, it would gnaw at him all night if he didn’t. It was a constant. Robin would ask where he was staying and Jason would ask if where Robin was staying was safe. It was a ritual of theirs. A constant.
Robin gave a little nod and smiled that bright grin, “I’m fine, Jay!”
He ran into Jason for one more hug, and Jason curled his arms around him tightly, pressing his cheek onto Robin’s fluffed hair.
“ Please stay safe, Jason. Promise me,” Robin huffed, peering up at him with those oddly expressive white lenses. Jason didn’t say anything, he would never make promises he couldn’t give to him but rather gave a rueful smile. He’s trying, at the very least. He could never promise, though. It would just be a lie.
They stood like that for a minute, two brothers enclosed in a hug. Then, a little beeper went off and the little bird was swinging from building to building, a hole of an unattended promise weighing on his mind
this is kinda awful but i needed to vomit this idea out, i might cultivate it into a story on ao3 who knows but yeah that’s all for me i’ve gotten invested back into the batfam so get ready for some more stuff! i’ve got so much shit in my drafts oh my god
#batfam#batman#robin age reversal#reverse robin au#dick grayson is robin#jason todd#dick grayson#batfamily#dcu#dc#jason will protect his little bird brother with his life#literally he will square up to batman#dick grayson is a ray of sunshine#jason todd is a good older sibling!#i will fight anyone who says otherwise#batman au#alternate universe#bittersweet fluff#brothers#snippet
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I honestly can't make up my mind/ don't ship him with anyone which feels weird because he's my favorite character so I feel obligated to ship him with SOMEONE so let me know your thoughts
I AM IGNORING ALL BATCEST.
Edit: I did contemplate adding y/n or reader as one of the options with how many of those fics are out there lol
#i feel like artemis and jason would be better as a friendship but im not mad about a relationship#i just like think its similar to batman and wonder woman who i also want to just be besties#but idk#i dont mind it#jason and roy#i have literally never seen together in a media besides wfa#so idk i just dont know enough#feel free to send comics with them#and i frankly have barely any idea eho rose wilson is#i included her because ive seen her and jason a bit in a few fan things#but yeah i just put the only three i think ive seen around#besides all that batcest YUCK#anyway#batman#batfam#dc#dc comics#jason todd#red hood#red hood and the outlaws#rhato#gotta put in the tags so the pjo people dont find this and think people ship jason grace with artemis the literal goddess#roy harper#rose wilson#artemis bana-mighdall#not sure if i spelt that right#anti batcest#ew batcest
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Hi! I love your stuff and your perspectives when people come after you for your stuff. You're, like, awesome.
I'm starting to get into batfam arguments, and people throw around the term "batcest" a lot, and I don't know how to feel about it. Do you see that term as offense for those of us that ship batfam in a non-incest way? Or is it irrelevant because it doesnt matter how batfam is shipped? Just curious about your thoughts! :)
Hm. I don't think it's a black or white answer, exactly. I think 'batcest' (and I could be wrong, so if someone knows better, please inform me) was most definitely coined by antis, and was intended as something insulting when it was made. Melding the words together forces association, and it's easy to get people to agree with 'incest is bad' when that's all the context you give them. So, by having/using batcest as the name for all Batfamily ships, it kind of innately links the two things together, and creates a convenient catch-all for antis to blanket-label everything they've decided fits under that. My automatic assumption would be that an anti saw 'Batfamily' as the generally used term for all the Gotham Bats, and decided to start using 'Batcest' as an ew gross response.
(This is especially entertaining because 'Batfamily' can and usually does also include Duke, Luke, Kate, Harper, Barbara, etc. and etc. So like, 'family' is a real catch all of a word in this case and taking it literally is kind of hilarious.)
I think focusing on the incest part of it, though, is falling into a trap. Drawing the 'I don't ship it in that way' line has the unfortunate and presumably unintended side effect of implying that people who do ship it 'that way' are doing it wrong/gross/whatever. So while I do think that Batcest is intended to be an insult (for everyone, not just the non-incest-minded shippers), I think you should consider it more as a divisive/alienating term, designed to make people have that knee-jerk 'no I don't do that' reaction.
That's a hard impulse to ignore, I get it. When we find something personally uncomfortable or squicky in fiction, it's hard not to leap to your own defense when it seems like people are implying you're the 'kind of person' who writes it. But, YKiNMKaTO! (Your Kink is Not My Kink and That's Okay; otherwise known as kinktomato.)
If you personally don't like Batcest as a term (like I don't), don't use it! I recommend Batfam shipper or just plain old Multishipper as an alternative. If you feel comfortable, I recommend correcting people (politely, but firmly) if they call you one, with whatever your preferred label is. You can tell them it's an inaccurate name for you, personally. If they try to argue, I recommend variations on the line, "It's great that you view X characters as having a very familial type of relationship. Personally I choose not to, when I ship them. That makes Batcest an inaccurate name for me, and I prefer X." Repeat ad nauseum until they either give up or break down into raging hysterics at which point you can really just block them. (Don't fall into the trap of trying to justify why things aren't incest/abuse/etc. Not only does that invalidate people who do write things with those themes, but it's an unwinnable argument with moving goalposts.)
Good luck! (And thank you!)
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🎉 Achievement Unlocked 🎉
I made it on one of those "ew, this person ships batcest" lists and I'm so proud of myself 😂😂
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Can you write a Jason x dick fic ?
Uhhh ew no
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I crave violence so DC comics- 1, 2, 4, 9, 18, 19, 22, 27
Oh Boy a lot of them!
“ What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get? “
1: obvious answer to this is all of batcest, ew they are siblings guys. A couple others are Bluepulse and Brutalia
“ Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP? “
2: StephCass!!! I blame this on how much me, and Aro project me and my best friend on them however I just cannot see them romantically. I do defend the ship a lot though because there is nothing wrong with it it just isn’t for me
“ Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP? “
4: Anything Batcest again! Seriously stop making that stuff untagged it freaks me out. Also, any het Cass ship. I will also point out BruBabs and all the huge age gap ships, do not like
“ Most disliked character(s)? Why? “
9: Somewhat controversial take: Kate Kane. She is mean and rude and was in the military and represents DC’s increased focus on biological family
“ Does not shipping something ‘popular’ mean you’re in denial and/or biased? “
18: NO we all have different takes! I love rare pairs!
“ What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom? “
19: Incest shippers and straight white men
“ Popular character you hate? “
22: Uh Kate Kane again
“ Least shippable character? “
27: Bart Allen! Look at that funky little aro go, why on earth would anyone ship him when he seems so happy and fulfilled with his platonic relationships???
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