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not-goldy · 5 months

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They think so because of his choices in chapter 2. I remember them being so defensive when anons asked them about why JK had songs with female protagonist and mocked antis for thinking that he's het, said female subject is for the technicality. But the same person is saying his chapter 2 decisions looks like he's preparing Fandom for a dating reveal with a woman just so he can show a partner of opposite gender to the society, for convenience. They said he will never ever reveal a male partner, understandable. We all know both of them are not gonna explicitly come out but they can always keep quiet and decide not to have any public relationship... there are many korean actors who are 40+ but have no public gf or relationship till now. They say Jikook may remain as Tony and Jaeduck ? Idk.. that couple but also says he will leave Jimin for a better future.. because that's what his social status in korea is.

Previously they said even his antis in kside don't believe that leaked video as it was blurry and even if it's real it doesn't mean they are dating. Now she's saying his video with that woman didn't made any noise in kside because they are already prepared for a dating news and kinda know about it.. just like taennie. They have a side blog where they stan other kpop groups and ship some of duos, there they said none of kpop ships comes close to what Jikook has. Recently they said no one in their right mind in Kside even cares about Jimin Daeun rumor as it's BS... but I bet in next week they are gonna say Jimin is also preparing Fandom for a dating reveal with her 🤡🤡🤡🤡 coz that opposite r their answers from one to another ask lol.

This is the same person who thinks JK didn't had any extra push from company, it's all his power and he deserves a grammy for seven when we all know how much scooter pushed seven to be top. This is the same person who thinks Jimin wasn't even sabogated or how everyone is living in lalaland at hybe.

This is not making followers insecure but straight up maniacs. Every Jikooker in right mind will always keep it in mind that maybe we could be wrong about them. But straight up mocking them saying Jikook are in love but also JK is getting ready for a dating reveal with a girl is so ???? 🤯🤯🤯🤯

Oooooohhh I see. Thanks for the explanation.

I see what they are saying here and in part I understand what they mean or where they are coming from.

It's not so crazy a theory to be honest. It's nothing that hasn't happened before. People fake date, spread relationship rumors or even marry to cover up their gayness. And if you are dating a closeted person who tend to develop that insecurity cos there's always that possibility they will burrow further into the closet than stand in their truth and claim you choose you or fight for you and with you.

I think Lil Nas X has a video that explores this much prevalent and painful queer experience you can check it. It's I want. Troye Sivan too. Blue Neighborhood watch/listen to the entire song series. Particularly Talk me down. Those are just my favorite queer artists but there's more who touch on this aspect of queer experience.

Partner abandonment is a huge challenge that faces the community especially as not everyone has the strength or luxury to stand and live their truth.

Hearing you say these things about Jikool actually makes me sad 😔

I don't want yet another "friend" to abandon Jimin😔

He already complained of friends betraying him and all and how he does so much for their love and I think he deserves love he deserves happiness he deserves someone who's interactions with him will heal him and nourish him and I think Jungkook- whatever you think their relationship status is- does that for him😔

People are so cruel when they say I wish Jikook break up, or that Vmin is crap and Jimin needs to cut Tae loose, like yall are wishing for Jimin to be abandoned 😔

You are wishing for him to experience the pain and trauma of partner separation or disconnecting from his primary sources of connection be it friendship or romance. All because you hate Tae and JK. They wish Tae Kook with develop a connection and "free" Jimin. And these are his fans yall. His own "fans."

For Jikook this is not something new to them either, all these "tattoo girl scandal" and Paris club scandal and rumor has it they have a gf and thus and that- they are all just ploys to cleanse their queer image by fans and to some extent the company who plays complacent in these situations neither refuting those rumors or refuting them too late whether advertently or inadvertently.

There's a queer idol who said his management would deliberately leak rumors about him dating girls or would ask him to build his body and become hyper masculine just so he appears "straight" to the public.

So perhaps you an disagree with her takes on these. I certainly do- unless Jungkook has done something really controversially gay I don't see why they would want to stage a queer cleanse for him this time around.

I mean he even said he wasn't dating no girl. If he wanted to queer cleanse he would have kept absolutely quite about it- at least for a while just as Hybe asked the tattoo girl to keep quiet about those rumors. Later she had to come out and throw hybe under the bus because the rumors were harming her- until she of course switched up and played it up.

It's messy. Kpop is messy.

Everyone is entitled to their views. Time will tell which views are more accurate than not is what I always say.

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mrs-monaghan · 1 year

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TK might go to a premiere and hang out with friends, but there is still no sexual tension between them. How can I say TK is real, when Tae is the exact same way with WS and random's he just met in Paris? Did we forget how cozy he was with randoms? If I'm being honest, Tae has more sexual tension with Jimin and at least he said from his own mouth he likes JM & likes him the most and wrote songs about him. So if I think TK is real, I have to think Vmin is real. And well, neither are real.

Truth told. No duos act like Jikook. They don't cross lines into sexual. With Jikook, its inuendos. Hinting at fucking, saying Rabbit is spicy or asking the other if they want Ramen knowing what it means in their country or telling the other to do cardio with them and the other grunting. Ball fondling with feet, neck sucking, ear sucking, not to mention JK rubbing his dick all over JM's ass every chance he gets. The J14 interview literally exists with their hormones raging all over the place. JK seeing JM laying on the ground and lays on his ass straddeling him or how JK has to adjust himself watching JM on several occasions or how JM pops boners around JK. Not to mention during one of their recent concerts JK literally rubbing his crotch while staring JM down, he tries to be subtle, but sir, we can see the outline of your dick through your pants and you motion that area while staring JM down & JM smirks. Okay sirs. Also JM looking JK directly in his face while bouncing his ass or dancing seductively in front of JK. Not to mention JK's obsession with JM's ass and his hand permanently attached to it. JM exposed JK coming to his room for 1 am bootycalls & JK panicked and tried to deflect, but then he turns around and sends JM a 5 a.m. thirst trap. JM playing footsie with JK and JK playing footsie with JM's leg giving him the come follow me signal. Look how JK acted when he placed his head near Tae with a cheesing smile during Life goes on, no tension, just fun, same with Hobi, but then watch JK get close to JM's face during So What where they both got flustered and JK gets closer and closer ready to risk it all, then grabbed his heart after he was done and took a deep breath, cause he was feeling the heat between him and JM. JM even got flustered and didn't know which way to turn. TK's moment and Jikook's happened in the same concerts and You know damn well its different. And JK did that after the Vminkook live too, where they said JM was a thirdwheel. Funny JK made all Jikook antis in the audience become Jikook's thirdwheel during that So What moment. Ultimate slap in the face, if you ask me & deserved.

This fandom is full of pearl clutchers who don't wanna talk about BTS having sex, let along with each other. Yet they will write fanfics and draw pics of it or say two members are having sex, but when the truth is smacked in their face, they pretend not to see it or they can't be real or make excuses. Jikook been fucking for years and everyone knows it, its why people hate JM & Jikook so much and low key why they trash JK too and make him out to be a cheater and fanservice king. Anything but accepting Jikook have been burning up the bedroom sheets together for years.

#if jikook isn't real then neither am i #jikook is real #jikook is not fanservice #jikook #kookmin #minkook #jimin and jungkook #park jimin #jeon jungkook #jimin #jungkook #bts ask #ask shaz

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stormblessed95 · 2 years

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I’ve seen the footage of Jungkook, uh, crawling on his back (?) with the hyungs watching so many times with Jimin filming him cut out of the frame. People do seem to do their best to tone down the amount of jikook moments. I would think it was innocent if it wasn’t for the way basically the entire fandom tone down jikook moments with “they do it with everyone” when the things they do with “everyone” never compare.

Lmfao JK was something else that day 🤣 anon is referencing things brought up from this post:

So everyone knows the context of the ask. But seriously what did they feed Jungkook on that day? Legitimately bouncing off the walls and was acting a fool with everyone 🤣🤣🤣

^ you can barely see Jimin filming JK in the start of the clip in this compilation. But in most like you said, they are cut totally. That clip on it's own where again, you barely see Jimin at the start because it would be very hard to crop him at that point.... but otherwise, you don't see him at all. And if you look at the watermark, the video comes from a known tkkr who has rumored very problematic behavior

And the peaches longer and uncropped cut... shocking how much more of Jimin we see lol

And this is why I say all the time how important Watching OG content is. Idc if you are watching clips from a jikooker timeline, an anti shipper one, a well mixed OT7 one, a shipper one from literally every single ship. It doesn't matter. There will always be things cropped or cut or shown in various different ways that push the narrative that poster believes in. Subconsciously or otherwise. The ONLY way to get a truly accurate depiction of ANYTHING they guys do, much less their relationships together or otherwise.

#jikook #kookmin #jikook memories 2021 #jikook cropped #love when people watch og content #shipper timelines arent accurate timelines

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echoesofadream · 1 year

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i don't "ship my biases", since jin is my bias. it just seems to be a trend that people who happen to ship taekook also mysteriously happen to be overly critical of jimin and write huge think pieces about how they "don't haaaaate jimin, no, no... but-" yes, you can give constructive criticism but that's his voice. if you like it, great, if not, then why are you here? why are you listening to bts?

taekook love jimin so much and i feel as if none of you guys see that and it's frustrating.

ahhhhh here we go. i knew this would happen hence the overly clear explainations i wrote lest i be taken for an anti. but ill humor you because its fun for me too.

i should have been more clear in my wording, but i felt like i had already written too much to a very small audience to bother clarifying myself. What i meant is that when it comes to stanning artists you are bound to have favorites and for many of us, myself included, this is musically/artistically founded. But also based on things like attractiveness (which is subjective), personal taste, the artists personality etcetc. When you start to like this person more than the other it creates a kind of positive feedback loop; exposure to the person and the thing you liked about the person in the first place makes you like them more and more as you get to know them, and the things you liked you start to love even more because you start to love the person these qualities belong to more. So if i had liked jimins voice more in the beginning i would probably have liked him more overall by now and then his voice would have been even better to me. Basically!

And yeah i only have one bias as well, but taekook are my favorite members, so like i thinks its only natural that i like their relationship most, too, dont you think? So maybe thats not the case for everyone and maybe i overgeneralized but i do think that for most ex. jikookers that jimin and jungkook are their two favorite members. 🤷‍♀️ edit: at least they probably prefer them over taehyung which i feel is only natural due to the above

I am not overly critical of jimin i am critical of all members including taehyung and jungkook. You have seen one post of me where i said i didnt like jimins new song. Do you know my full history of what ive said or thought about the members? In fact i have probably said more critical things about both taehyung and jungkook simply because i am most invested in them. The fact that im even mentioning jimin shows i have an investment in him as well doesnt it? I wanted vibe to be good. I made a post about that tho i think its deleted now. I understand taekookers can be overly critical of jimin but you have no basis for saying that about me. Im just voicing my opinions on my own blog.

Not sure what taekook loving jimin has to do with any of this. Like it feels surreal that you are telling me that. Like i know? I talk about vminkook all the time. Especially vmin because i have a personal preference that makes me for some reason like vmin more than jikook. Oh okay cancelled! Cancelled for not having equal feelings about every single member and ship!!!!!!!<- you btw

Its so funny that you are asking me why i even listen to bts when i literally yesterday made a post about why i like bts and their vocal line especially and why they stand out to me as a group. Where i literally say that if any of the members were excluded their music would be emptier and that they complete each other.

#dont involve me in shipping culture again. shipping are fantasies and i embrace that #i dont mistake these fantasies for reality so why would it affect my feelings for the very real people #involved in them #bts

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nightswithkookmin · 3 years

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A quick lesson on ships

Because why not??😌

No but seriously, bare with me, I'm trying to answer your questions. Sit if you have to. Hehe

Uban Dictionary defines shipping as this:

A term used to describe fan fictions that take previously created characters and put them as a pair. It usually refers to romantic relationships, but it can refer platonic [sic] ones as well. (Just think of “shipping” as short for “relationSHIP”.) 9 Apr 2015

Ships can be platonic or romantic or both.

There's fictional ships and non fictional ships too. You ship two people you want to be in a relationship or who already are in a relationship or who you suspect to be in a relationship- perhaps due to queer baiting, ship baiting, romance baiting etc.

In the shipping fandom, there are two sects of people. Those who are Proships those who are Antiships- antis are ironically considered part of the shipping community because for some reason they are always in shippers business💀

Antishippers are those who oppose a particular ship or shipping in general (more on that later.)

Proshippers are well- Pro ships.

Pro-Ship

A term mostly used in fandoms, but can stretch outside of this to include original characters. The core belief is that shipping two fictional characters, no matter if they are family, share ages gaps, considered to be unhealthy, or show blatant signs of being abusive or other generally unsavory behaviours, are valid in a fictional setting.

Pro-Shippers or "anti-antis" are also known as "rainbow meaties" and will use 🌈 + 🍖 emojis together often in their bio on twitter or other social media platforms- usually within fictional settings.

These shippers reinforce the idea fiction is separate from reality and shouldn't be confused with the other.

‘Anti’ is short for ‘anti-shipper’ or ‘anti-[ship]’.

Kindly read through this thread to get the gist of it.

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Shipping non-fictional individuals is a subset of Proshipping, in my opinion, known also as alternative shipping- as far as my knowledge on it goes.

As with fictional shipping, alt ships have their antis too. People who disagree with shipping real couples in a romantic way for whatever arbitrary moral reasons they have and who feel entitled to go out of their way to correct, stop, police and punish such shippers.

Then there are those who although may be pro real people shipping think they have the right to tell others how they should ship and to what extent they can ship.

Others too prefer to ship real people platonically because they view romantic shipping of real people as problematic.

So to answer your question on Anon's post- there is no such thing as a Proshipper who is also Anti shipping. Thats oxymoronic. Perhaps they might be platonic shippers who are anti romantic ships but not necessarily romantic shippers themselves.

I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring to ship platonically. It is when they assume by virtue of their false sense of moderacy that they are better than others that shit starts to get funny.

Those shippers are delusionally confused beings with a supremacist imperialist complex rooted in ignorance and absurdities.

I usually walk by those quietly. keep it pushing. Gotta mind my business somehow even though most times I just want to pull their hair and bite them and shit😭

I try to keep it classy.

Lord knows I try.

You are either pro ship or anti ship. There's no in between. Those shippers who are shippers but claim they are not are nothing but fraudulent, fake us, simps trying to bamboozle their way through life- pardon my Swahili.

There are a lot of anti shippers moonlighting as shippers in this fandom. It's fascinating.

Personally I think those people are either confused or their desires to appeal to other Anti shippers must have morphed their brains into ass dick hybrids.

Anti shippers in general are notorious gatekeepers, gaslighters, bigots, high key sanctimonious and often have a cis white westernized sense of morality and ethics through which they fliter others and expect everyone and everything to conform to.

They impose their values on others, their ethics on others, resort to manipulation, policing, intimidation and bullying to impose their will etc.

Within shipping, there are those who are Proshipping yet anti certain ships. Most Tuktukkers are anti Jikook. And assume anyone who isn't a tuktukker is equally anti Tae Kook and so go ahead and exhibit anti behaviours towards them.

Think of such groups of shippers as Proshippers with a preference for particular ships if you will.

There are Pro shippers who also feel some kind of way about Shipping real life people or alt shipping.

Here's further resource to help you understand what proshipping is

If you are intolerant with other shippers choice of ships or style of shipping and you traumatize them for it that's Anti shipping. Especially if you feel entitled and justified to traumatize others because you take a higher moral status over them.

You can be proship and not like how certain people, how they go about

Simply walk away, click off, mind your business. You are not the only adult in these streets and leave people to do what interests them.

I think for as long as I can remember, I've always been a proshipper and I ship both platonically and romantically, fictionally and alternatively💀

Some themes in fiction are a hard limit for me such as the R word, pedophilia, incest, child abuse- I just can never find the entertainment in those topics and will struggle through such themes.

But others believe it's just FICTION and those fictional characters aren't really dealing with the imaginary struggles we read about.

Yall do you sis.

I don't really know why people make a big deal of it or try to demonize the concept of shipping as if it were something strange or mysterious- just keep your moral values to yourself. I am not your mother's daughter. we were not raised in the same households.

Then again I think it all depends on the different cultures and social backgrounds we all come from and how entitled, supremacist or imperialist they are.

For Yoonmin, I shipped them romantically but didn't think they were a real couple at all. I just romanticized their interactions and found humor in it. At the back of my head I was expecting them each to one day find husbands or wives and go their merry ways and even harbored the thought they each could very much be in serious romantic relationships with others.

In similar ways, I shipped Minimoni and Vmin.

You can ship a pair romantically and not think at all that they are actually REAL.

A lot of jokers ship Jikook romantically and don't assume they are real. Just as a lot of people shipped say Elena and Stefan romantically even though Paul was married.

Some shipped Elena and Damon too due to their unscreen chemistry and even felt they could be a thing- that was before later it was revealed they had started dating in real life. Even that I was holding on to my Bonnie x Damon fantasies because Bonnie was my bias and I shipped her with everyone romantically- of course I didn't expect any of those ships to manifest into something because it was the character I was shipping not Kat herself. To this day I still love her onscreen chemistry and friendship with Damon and don't see how people could wish for it to be more than that😭

It was beautiful as is. Not everything should climax into sexual intercourse.

But if I felt at some point any of her ships had crossed into alternative ships I would have jumped on those and supported it whole heartedly.

If you assume a pair are a real couple and dating in real life that's alt shipping- a lot of alt shippers suspect a ship is real and that's why they ship them.

There is no such thing as platonic alt shipping.

And for me personally, because I believe Jikook are a real couple and have made that cross over I don't ship any of that pair romantically with other members anymore.

It's bizzare to me to ship someone I know has a partner romantically with anybody else- I make exceptions for Vmin of course💀

I know JK is side eyeing me but I don't care.

I want Tae to be happy too😭😭😭

Tae just wants his bestfriend and soulmate😭

It's too much😭😭😭😭😭😭

He stays shooting his shots🤣

Jimin Harem is real🤭

I must admit, I catch myself slipping on Vmin and Minimoni every now and then- old habits die hard and they don't make it easy 😫

But that don't mean I think Vmin is dating. THAT WOULD BE WILD.

Summary

Proshippers can be Platonic or Romantic shippers and you can ship a pair romantically and not assume they are real at all.

Anti shippers are just assholes trying to beat their values down people's throats.

Alt shippers don't ship their OTP with other players romantically.

I don't know what you mean by Jinkooker...

Do you ship Jinkook romantically or think they are real?? Sis...

Maybe you just ship them platonically or casually.

I ship all the ships platonically.

Especially all Jimin"s Tae's ships. I'd let my self flirt with the idea of romance every now and then.

JK's ships don't make sense to me as ships.

As nonplatonic ships I mean.

I'm fascinated each time I see a hardcore JK x any member ship besides Jikook swearing up and down JK is screwing Namjoon🤣🤣

I hope this helps??

GOLDY

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thoughts-on-bangtan · 3 years

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Vmin Vlive Asks

From anon: saw on twitter people asking for vmin vilive again. If vmin were just friends it wouldn't be a problem streaming together, or if they hated each other as some say they would be professional enough to stream together without any problems. But since they don't, it's because it's difficult, even as a professional, because vmin is so cute with each other. just a thought.

From anon 2: It saddens me that we still haven't got a Vmin live/selfie. It really makes me wonder. Surely they can go an hour without flirting/touching/exposing themselves, right lol? Same with a selfie. V did a live with JK and JM did one with JK, last year. V uploaded a selfie of him and JK on NYE, but when it comes to Vmin we barely get crumbs. Not saying I expect it, but it raises the question of what the big deal is kinda. Worst part is antis see it as confirmation that Vmin aren't close. Makes me sad.

From anon 3: What are your thoughts on why we haven't seen Vmin selfies or vlives in a while? Same with Jikook. Nothing from them either. Do you think Jimin just isn't wanting to for some reason? Even TK uploaded a selfie on NYE and then we got Tae in a video, in a rush to get their selfie uploaded. Kinda makes me sad. Not cause T/JK uploaded a selfie, but I just wish Vmin would throw us a bone. Since we haven't seen any selfies/lives with J/k**k either, seems maybe its on Jimin's end why we aren't. Maybe?

Perhaps this is a moment where being a namjinist is quite a handy thing since we’re rather used to a lack of selcas, even if there are moments that we know (and even saw) them take some together and yet we never got to see the selca, meaning they took them merely for themselves as memory. Which kind of makes it actually much cuter, but that’s besides the point. Same goes for vlives, before the RJRJ vlive Summer 2020, we had to wait a very long time for a namjin vlive. Perhaps I’m just desensitized to this wish of a joined vlive, not that I wouldn’t want one, I very much do, but I’m used to just…not getting one, I suppose?

Admin 2 has actually written a post early on into our time on tumblr about their theories regarding the potential of a vmin vlive and how chances are we will likely not get one, at least not any time soon. Looking at anon 2’s question if they would really not be able to go an hour without flirting or touching or doing something else that could “expose” them—I’d like for us to remember their “Radio” for Japanese ARMY where they basically spent the entire time talking softly/sweetly with each other, Jimin calling the way Tae wrote words on a whiteboard “cute” (the video was deleted but this is at least the translation of this), how he wasn’t able to open a pen so he softly asked Tae do it for him, and how Jimin did this funny charade move which Tae claimed was “Jimin waking up” resulting in Jimin playfully/cutely “hitting” Tae’s chest (1:28 onward). And that’s edited content, yet it’s so sweet and full of little tender vmin moments.

Now imagine that but without editing and happening live.

Of course, Jimin and Tae are absolute professionals at their job, I don’t have any kind of doubt about it, but perhaps it’s just something they’ve decided they don’t want to do (despite Jimin’s initial “promise” of talking Tae into doing it with him, and Tae saying “okay” on the phone when asked about it). Not due to a lack of possibilities or time, not due to a lack of self-control both verbal and physical wise, but due to some completely different reason only they know. We know what literal hellscape the comments during vlives are, so imagine what kind of nightmare the comments during a vmin vlive would be…it makes me sad and furious just thinking about it. Considering the comments are already full of hate and shipping related comments and questions when they do solo vlives. Or how hateful people were when Jimin, Seokjin and Yoongi did their Just Dance vlive together in 2020, how Seokjin was basically accused of “getting in the way” of y*onm*n and far, far worse things, even though all three of them were having so much fun together.

We know how much certain people despise vmin and any (cute) interactions between Jimin and Tae that show that all their wishes or claims that “they hate each other” and “have drifted apart” are not true. Also, remember how Tae posted their ITS bed selca on weverse and was flooded with hate for it? I admit, that was in parts due to “bad timing” (or rather people being unable to stop demanding things from Bangtan without immediately turning hateful but that’s a whole different story) but in larger parts due to it going against “popular agendas”.

“Worst part is antis see it as confirmation that Vmin aren't close. Makes me sad.” If there’s one thing I’ve learned in my years as ARMY, as well as vminnie and namjinist, it’s that the opinion of antis is worth less than dirt. Even dirt is more useful, tbh. They can think whatever they like, but the good thing is, their opinion and whatever they think is a “confirmation” of their agenda, it doesn’t affect the truth and the reality of Jimin’s and Tae’s bond in any kind of way. So, please, don’t let their noisiness make you sad. Literal antis are not worth our times. Not in relation to vmin and not in relation to BTS in general.

“Not cause T/JK uploaded a selfie, but I just wish Vmin would throw us a bone.” While I know what you mean, I’d like to remind you, and everyone else, that we’ve gotten a whole mountain of bones in recent weeks between RUN and other content like Winter Package. We might not have gotten any selcas or vlive, but we got so many other things, do they not count? Besides, we’ve made it five years without vmin vlive, I think we’ll be okay, no?

So, it’s okay to hope we might get a vlive from Tae and Jimin together one day, as well as a selca, if they’ve decided against it behind the scenes, we should respect and accept that. In the end, if they’ll one day do decide to do a vlive or post a selca out of the blue, imagine how happy we’d be.

Instead let us look forward with anticipation and excitement for tomorrow’s Grammy performance and hopefully their first win, even though I’ll forever be salty about the organizers putting their category in the pre-show instead of making it part of the main gala despite knowing that their category is basically the most anticipated one this year. As well as most of the categories with POC nominees being outside of the main gala. Very telling.

Then again, like that one Forbes article once said:

#answered ask #answered ask by admin 1 #vmin #Jimin #Taehyung #Vmin vlive

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weishenbwi · 3 years

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Taehyung: It's your turn to tell a scary story, Yoongi!

Jimin: It can't be a two-sentence horror story this time either!

Yoongi: You want to hear a good one?

VMin, huddled together under a cozy blanket: Yes!

Yoongi: Okay, but you asked for it. Remember that. *pause for dramatic effect* This pandemic isn't going away any time soon and we're going to be living under its wings for the rest of our lives-

Seokjin: Scary not sad, Yoongi.

Yoongi: You're cute when you pout, hyung, but listen. You'll feel terror by the end of it or I owe you a coffee date.

Seokjin: Ok deal!

Yoongi: Alright. So you know how we have to wear masks when doing anything public even if we're vaccinated... but not everyone does it?

Jimin: You mean like a lot of vaccinated people aren't wearing their masks? Like... um... how we don't sometimes?

Yoongi: Exactly. I think you'll all want to after hearing this....

Hoseok ᶦⁿ ᵗᶦⁿʸ: ᴵ'ᵐ ⁿᵒᵗ ʳᵉᵃᵈʸ...

Yoongi: Trust me, I wasn't either. But I clicked on the link and it took me to a government site that I'm hoping wasn't tracked. Special envoys or not, I don't think I was supposed to have access to this.

Namjoon: You should have backed out right away. All government sites are tracked! How did you even get in there without clearance?

Yoongi: I thought it was a hoax at first. I thought the worst I would get is a virus once I realized that my mom probably didn't send me this link. I mean... it came from my mom's email. But once I started reading, it's like I couldn't stop.

Namjoon: It's okay... you didn't know what you were looking at. It wasn't intentional.

Yoongi: At first. But then I did know and I didn't stop. To be completely honest, I wonder if that makes me a target. I wasn't exactly being compliant.

Jimin: Compliant?

Hoseok: ᶜᵒᵐᵖˡᶦᵃⁿᵗˀ

Yoongi: Yeah... So Korea's National Intelligence Service is dividing groups based on compliance. Those who wear masks and get vaccinated and those who don't.

Seokjin: What? How would they know if you're not wearing masks?

Yoongi: Hyung, we have CCTV almost everywhere and they're putting up new cameras all the time. They put some up in my old neighborhood in Daegu not long ago, but I didn't think anything of it. That is until I regrettably became privy to this information.

Taehyung: My mom said they did the same in our old neighborhood too...

Jimin: My mom texted me a photo of one... she was so happy about it because it helps lessen crime rates.

Jungkook huddles in closer to Jin: Wow, that's creepy.

Yoongi: It is. Eventually, every spot in South Korea will have CCTV and I'm sure we can say the same for the rest of the world in time if this experiment works. But that's not even the worst part. The ironic thing that a lot of anti-vaxxers don't know or understand is that the vaccine was developed safely as a reward for those who have shown a willingness to voluntarily follow orders. Compliance. Most who choose to wear masks are going to also get the vaccine. They called it "The model citizen who looks out for Korea's national well-being". Of course, there will be outliers who do one and not the other but they will be caught on any one of the security cameras.

Seokjin: So that's why they put them in Daegu and Busan...

Jimin: And who knows how many other places... This is disturbing, hyung.

Yoongi: It is. But if you think about it with the current state of technology, it was only a matter of time before at least one of the governments tried something like this. What better time than during a global pandemic where millions have died. South Korea isn't a big country. Compliance is important, especially here. Either way, we're vaccinated and we wear masks more often than not. It's those who don't comply by wearing masks or refusing the vaccine that has something to worry about. From what I read, they will be split into two groups. One will be given a "placebo" as part of these placebo-controlled trials and the other group will be given an experimental mind-control drug.

They won't know they've taken it because it'll be in their favorite takeout, their favorite drink, a medication that they're prescribed, or that they buy at the grocery store. They won't know they've taken it because they'll reason they've always thought this way. According to what I read before the site locked me out, tiny nanoparticles will control their thoughts and make them comply in whatever way the NIS deems appropriate.

Namjoon: If what you read isn't a hoax, how will they control the number of nanoparticles a person consumes if it's in all those things?

Yoongi: I wondered that too but apparently the nanoparticles have sensors and will render themselves either active or inactive once a limit is reached. It's also supposed to be mixed with some sort of subliminal messaging. That's when the government will know the test is working. They expect people will figure out something's happened to them in the first stages and have already planned for that with the media to brush off anything as a conspiracy. After all, the ones controlled are already tin hat-wearing conspiracy theorists so it's not far-fetched. The only way to avoid detection and being used as test subjects, which can end in suicide in the early stages of the trial, is to wear a mask and get vaccinated. The alternative is total mind control or death. And that's just the start. Imagine what they can do if this national experiment is successful? What if one day all of our thoughts are programmed to serve national interests without a single independent thought?

Jimin: You made all this up, right hyung? As a scary story because we're having fun?

Yoongi: You can check my phone history if you'd like to find out or we can wait until the government officials come talk to us.

Seokjin: Thanks Yoongi. I'm not sleeping tonight.

Taehyung: Me neither. Don't ever tell another scary story again!

Namjoon: I think Tae and Chim are sleeping together tonight.

Jungkook: Yes and I'm sleeping with you and Jin hyung. And Hobi... where's Hobi?

Yoongi: He took off after you said "Wow, that's creepy." But I bet that means I'll have a guest in my bed tonight.

Jimin: Yeah, the government.

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roo-bastmoon · 2 years

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Not eveyone is solo or anti . My bias is also tae but i feel very bad for jimin bcz he is v's soulmate . Every single time it is always jimin who gets hate. If ww say anything about jm or defebd him , yall call us solo and if we say about jikook yall say we r jikook anti and shit. But No . We also care and i just care too much for jm. He us not on SM , he must be chlling and all without him knowing what is happening here bcz of his so called mf 'jungkookie'. All jk needs was to bring up jm , and sit and enjoying the hate he revieves from his MOTHERFUCKING SHIP. Woww👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏. Today reading the tweets about jm , people makong fun of him i remembered the past. When jk used to rank him last in the looks bcz he was 'too ugly' for him. 'Chubby' 'cheeks' 'fatty' 'ugly' . Jk is still immature & selfish person. I can never watch jk anywhere near jm today after all this he did. He better stay the fuck away from jimin like he does when there are no cams selfish mf. Disgusting.

Nonie I know you’re upset at all the hurtful things Jimin was exposed to today because of JK’s comment. But that’s crazy fans’ fault, not JK’s… There’s plenty of evidence that all BTS members have been insensitive to each other and a tad selfish at times over the years—they are human and have grown up under extremely unusual (idol life) circumstances, always in the public eye.

But remember also how much Tae and JK and Jimin love each other—truly, not just for the cameras. Remember that JK compliments JM so often, said in front of everyone on record that he’s the hardest working member and hardest on himself. Remember JK climbed a mountain to bring Jimin snow. Remember he planned the whole Tokyo trip to please Jimin. He got Jimin a special birthday present one year but didn’t do that for any other member. He raves about Jimin’s mom’s kimchi. He showed Jimin how to teach Bam tricks. He went on a OMAD diet with Jimin and it was the only time Jimin stopped starving himself—to protect JK’s health. They stay up all night together. He spends hours sitting quietly in Jimin’s hotel rooms after concerts. He waits hours after a long work day just to share a car with Jimin. He’s always watching Jimin. He’s always copying Jimin. He literally carries Jimin on his back even when he’s exhausted. He loves Jimin.

And Jimin is a consummate professional, a global superstar, a taekwondo black belt, a millionaire, with 8 years of kendo and Chinese martial arts training, plus an IQ of 128. He’s smart and can take care of himself. If he considers JK a true friend, I trust his judgement.

I’d absolutely prefer if JK and Tae came right out and told toxic fans to lay off Jimin, but it probably wouldn’t do much good—haters thrive on hate. I’m glad there are fans like you who may have a bias but still see the good in other members and have empathy for them!

I can only hope our boys demonstrate their love for each other enough in private that they never doubt how much they mean to one another. The way they care for each other can be clumsy and needy and cringey and strained at times, but it’s real—not for clout or fan service—it’s a genuine bond we fans might never fully grasp.

Keep the faith, Nonie. I believe JK just needs to grow up and learn how to interact unscripted with fandom. Anything he says can and will be used against him (and Jimin). The sooner he learns to navigate that, the better. But V and Jimin are too smart and self-sufficient to keep close to a selfish asshole. I really do think this is just a case of JK making a teasing comment and the dark side of fandom weaponizing it. And weaponized social media is why Jimin is so inactive. I worry BTS will relinquish social media to their label if fans don’t settle down soon.

But yes, thank you for loving Jimin and wanting him to be appreciated and considered.

In any case, I hope the upcoming concert has some amazing and fun moments that heal your heart, with lots of great Tae and Vmin moments to enjoy!! <3 Be well, Nonie!!

#jikook #kookmin #minkook #jimin jungkook

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keeperoftinyarmy · 4 years

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I think people are blowing out of proportion t\k’ interactions, they’re friends, and yes they definitely look a lot closer than usual, but I mean that makes sense? In the soop? If that’s affecting Jikook’s relationship I would be giving jk the side eye, but I don’t believe for one second jk is the type to push someone aside for another. Neither is jm the type to stand for something like that. They’re fine. But I think your anons and actually a lot of jikookers recently are coming to this conclusion because there hasn’t been much jikook recently, pls nobody come for me I know they have their moments, but it’s hard for me to ignore that they’re not the same as they were pre October. More aloof with eachother I guess is the word? You can see that aloofness during the lgo comeback, when talking about their scene. Also, the cute moment jk enclosing jm was sometime September. I don’t use covid to explain away the lack of jikook, it’s my own opinion that Covid didn’t change that much, the only thing we’re missing out on due to the pandemic is their on stage moments, but everything else, interviews, performances, bangtan💣s are the same. I don’t believe we can use covid as an excuse for lack of jikook recently.

We’re also free to agree to disagree, and I disagree with you on 116 and 117 not being t\k heavy, it definitely was. Attached at the hip and pressed together sitting alone on the couch, it was like that ‘spot the couple’ thing we do with jikook. Even the captions by big hit on t\k were pretty obvious. “In their own little world 💕” with hearts and they 100% were, they were both completely oblivious to everything else happening. At the end of the day, jikook is an exhausting ship to be on, both because of the antis and also just jikook giving us whiplash sometimes. And honestly, I can see why jikookers may be freaking now, t\k haven’t been as close as they have been the past couple months since 2016, and maybe a lot of bang jikookers haven’t seen how close t\k were prior to their distance.

I’ve been here since late 2016 (august) and there’s been so many times I’ve flipped flopped between jikook being boyfriends and just close friends. I think it’s hard for some people not to take this seriously and do get worried over things, so I don’t think all of them are trolls or hidden tkkers. I think many are genuinely anxious jikookers that are getting too attached or hung up on things recently, and can you really blame them? It’s easy to say stop but it’s not always that easy, and with a global pandemic with bordem, stress, and for some social isolation and loss many most likely latched onto jikook, I think that latch can cause a lot of anxiety, on top of everything going on outside bts. But I’m not a psychologist, it’s just things I’ve noticed recently. Purple you everyone.

I respect your opinion. I don’t assume anyone is a troll and I take comments from “doubters” seriously. Hopefully anyone who is feeling too consumed by BTS or any fandom can find a way to take a step back and breathe.

But I do disagree with you on a few points.

I don’t know what jikook are to each other. I can just see they are close and I will boldly say I think they are closer than vmin or tk. I’ve felt this way for years. I’m officially army since 2017, and I’ve inexplicably watched virtually all bts content in order, so I’ve seen the progression of the group and the members from source material, not fan edits. All that to say, I’ve never flipped on jikook closeness. So TK or vmin for that matter being joined at the hip during a Run ep or hanging out during Bon Voyage has no impact on what I see between jikook.

Covid did change things. We went months where all we saw were arts and crafts lives and a few commercial shoots. The guys themselves have said how hard it has been for them with no performances and less schedules. 2020 was not business as usual for them. We didn’t just see less jikook, we saw less ot7. Most of the lives were solos or duos. It was rare to get them all together. That’s a big change.

But to bring this back to jikook, pretty much every thing official they’ve done during covid, we’ve had jikook. Karaoke, rainy fight, baskin Robbins, chilsung, mots:one, bangbang con, gimbap live, ITS (featuring mosquito net), Dynamite (many instances in content associated with it), Japan fan club, LGO mvid, BE unboxing, Be live, there is more but I’m tired of typing.

My point is jikook is still jikook in 2020 and it doesn’t take slow motion or deep analysis to see it.

#kota asks

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vlovers19 · 4 years

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To Vminies

Hello everyone, Now I've recently noticed something and that is how some people have even started opening hate accounts against people who ship vmin. They use all kinds of insultive words in their posts.

This wouldn't have been so if people aren't getting as loud as they are right now over all the moments we've been getting. I'm really not happy about this and it's making shipping Vmin tougher. There are now accounts especially on twitter whose sole purpose is to destabilize the ship.

Why am I writing this?

I need us to be better. Don't sexualize the stars. We can analyse but it should always be a probability and not a confirmation. We shouldn't spread false information about them and shouldn't think we are better than other ships just because we are getting all these juicy contents regularly. We shouldn't make a ruckus over one moment and we should always remember to ship in a healthy and limited manner so antis don't use this against us because in reality, they want to keep us quiet. There's a saying. Nobody talks about you cause you're nobody. For someone to actually carve out time out of his or her life to hate on one particular thing means there's something they want to achieve. They want to spread hate so let's not give them the satisfaction.

I hope we can do this. Please spread the word so every vminer can know. Thank you.

#vmin #Jimin #Taehyung #bts

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mrs-monaghan · 1 year

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why do jikook update each other on weverse? i do think jimin posted the pic of his delivered food to let jk know he’s eating well but why doesn’t he just facetime jk 🤔 or maybe he already did heehee these two are cute

This is the best question an anti could ever ask themselves. Last time when they had that back and forth flirting we even had Armys in the comments complaining about being ignored. Telling them if they just wanna chat they can use their phones. That weverse is for Army. I loved reading these frustrated comments sm. It was hilarious!

Why come to communicate online?

Why wish eo happy birthday online when they can do it person?

They do it for us. It's for us. Jin put it perfectly. He said he had to post about Jimin's birthday because if he didn't people would assume Jinmin were having issues. Which, hello?! One of the main reasons people think Vmin are not okay is because while everyone and their dog congratulated Jimin for making history, we got silence from V. Till to date he's never said a word about FACE but he had no problem posting for Suga and TXT.

These sort of things make fans think members are not okay with eo and guess what, the members know this. (Too bad tkkrs never think tkk are having issues. Not even when JK was the only one who didn't wish V a HBD. They always come up with excuses and they believe them completely. I actually admire their resilience ngl 🤣🤣🤣)

Anyway anon, Jikook do it for us. They are showing us that all is well in Jikookland. Nothing has changed. But alas! So many morons refuse to see their genuine interactions for what they are. Oh well. What can u do?

#ask shaz #bts ask #jikook #jimin and jungkook

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stormblessed95 · 2 years

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To the anon asking re antis… I would suggest you visit some report pages for all the members and see who and what people are getting reported for. The way I’ve seen some ridiculous reports is why I have so many report accounts blocked. While there are truly some tae antis within jikookers, I hang out on Twitter a lot and most are just not. In fact so many jikoooers love vmin etc and they celebrate every time tae posts or does something cool like everyone else.

I fully agree with this too. But I'd also like to see more jikookers enjoying taekook content instead of just fighting with tkkrs anytime taekook interact too, regardless of "who starts it" lol. Not just vmin. Do I agree that jkkrs are in general better about this? Yes. Can shippers still be shitty about it though too? Majorly yes. Just say they are cute and go.

But yeah, look into reasoning and get receipts about why someone is called an anti. Lol because Peaches is someone they call a Tae anti all the time and she very much so is not. Sooooo 🤷🏻‍♀️

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chenoehi · 5 years

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I have read your rant and I agree with most of them, but there is one thing I disagree with. As we know, Jin will go to the military next year. This means Big Hit can start release duet singles. Just like the artists of other companies do.(eyeing EXO) I think pairs must at least be popular to do that. Before Kookmin became popular, they only had TK, but since last year they've been promoting KM, make them get more fans. So they will have more pairs, more money. It's just buisness.

Hello 💜

Thank you for the ask. I don't want to harp/rant on this subject, but I'll answer some asks about it if that can help clarify my point of view (and hopefully this will be a healthy discussion). I don't get many asks anyway so I have fewer opportunities to air my opinions. That's probably why these rants are turning into dissertations. Sorry anon 🤷‍♀️🤐

If you don't want to suffer through all of this, just skip to SALIENT POINTS down below. I have no idea how to use the read more on mobile.

I have a different perspective on a few things you mentioned, but first, I agree that in a business sense BH have recently and will continue to promote subunits (with exceptions, more on this). They have to prepare for the next stages of the boys' careers as an incomplete Bangtan once Seokjin and Yoongi go into the military. I don't think that the company hasn't been doing what any business does which is capitalize on what's popular and give fans what they want (BTS World game anyone? It gave the y/n people what they wanted, and everyone else got a fun little game out of it).

What I don't think is that BH has necessarily pushed KM in front of people's faces to *make* them popular any more than they've done with other pairings. At some point in time, all of the boys have each had photoshoots with one or two members. All have been paired up visually or for a game or for hotel rooms or whatever rooms they're on for the Run! episodes and what the fans get is to see the different members interact with each other. It's not always the rapline and the vocal line hanging out together, or the hyung line and the maknae line hanging out together.

I didn't agree that some things lately have been done to bait KM fans. That's not the same as me saying I don't think that BH is a business that acts like a business and capitalizes on what they can. I'm also not a blind defender of BH. I've been disappointed with some things, mostly with the lack of control over antis and the lack of defense for their artists (I'm thinking of Jimin's two t-shirt *scandals*). But all of that is off topic and not related to KM in the slightest.

Is BH responsible for KM's popularity?

You mentioned that you feel like BH has helped make KM popular (paraphrasing). I don't see it that way. I think people of all types are seeing how close they are and reacting accordingly. If anything, KM have made themselves popular (loudness on tour, GCFs, vlives, spending time together, etc.). Or at least that's how I see it.

With how obvious they've made their affection for each other (platonic or romantic), Jimin and Jungkook themselves have, over the years, inadvertently alerted everyone to how close they are and they naturally make a good pairing. They spend a lot of time together and so the documentaries, docuseries, Bangtan Bombs, and variety shows just reflect their bond. The fans get a ton of moments and some begin to notice this pairing whereas they may not have before. I think this process has been natural. More and more people 'see' them each day and it's mostly because of how they act around each other. When you're in love, people notice.

I don't think KM's popularity has been fabricated; what I mean by that is, I don't think they've become popular because of BH. Let's not forget about what happened with the Black and White performance video, or how long it took to get a Bangtan Bomb of behind the scenes. People began to think we'd never get it and it was obvious that KM was being isolated for whatever reason. Who knows why it took so long or what went on behind the scenes. Did they acquiesce to the fans' demands for the video when they published it or was it always planned but just delayed? We'll never know. But if BH really wanted to play up the pairing to help it gain popularity I'm not sure they handled it the best way; all they really did was irritate fans, and only the people who attended muster and filmed it really got to enjoy it.

Would BH or have BH promoted shipworthy subunits? Does this make total sense, considering both a business and artistic perspective? Bangtan's creative agency (past, present, future)?

Putting aside rapline and vocal line units and any songs released on SoundCloud, Jamais Vu and the OST are really the first times we've got an official series of Bangtan subunits to listen to (Jungkook, Jimin, Namjoon, Taehyung, and Seokjin have collaborated with various arrangements but only on songs they've released on SoundCloud, done for Festa, for dramas, etc.).

These subunits were a surprise to most people, especially the Jamais Vu and Brand New Day subunits. So far we've gotten subunits that a lot of us probably weren't thinking of or asking for. I know a lot of people want to see Yoongi and Jimin do something or Jimin and Namjoon (minjoon is gaining popularity real fast, but more on ships in a minute) and people have been asking for a Taehyung and Jungkook subunit for who knows how long. <- these observations are based on what I've seen people say since I became a fan. I haven't even touched on Sope and Otsukare because frankly, that is a very popular pairing, ship, and both Yoongi and Hoseok know it and they have fun with it. Ships aside, pretty much everyone agrees that Otsukare is hype and it's a travesty it's not on SoundCloud. (It just makes me smile, ilovethemsomuch).

I said all that ^^^ to say this:

I have no idea how SM decided on their subunit pairings for EXO (insert other applicable idol group and agency).

I have no idea if other companies pair their artists for subunits based solely on their popularity in the fandom.

^ This seems unrealistic for various reasons. That's a cash grab. There's no consideration of the artists voices, how they fit stylistically, their range, etc. etc. Please, no one bring up SuperM. We haven't even seen them in action yet so we literally can't judge anything (not to mention it's a whole group, not a subunit, and we all know how different Bangtan's individual styles are).

I have to assume from the randomness of the MOTS/OST album subunits we've gotten from Bangtan so far that they haven't been thrown together just because they're popular pairings; if anything these were unusual choices and not really anything I've seen people asking for (I don't mean that they aren't good pairings, only that I'm not sure anyone saw those subunits coming).

When it comes to subunits on albums I would think Bangtan has a say in who does a song with who. They have, after all, had creative license to write and produce their own music this whole time. I don't see them being forced into doing a subunit song they don't want to do. If anything, we know at least once they were told not to do a specific song with a specific member (vmin/Christmas duet) and that was an issue of content.

Subunits have to make sense.

-> -> -> In order for a subunit to be successful and make sense, the 2 or 3 (or 4) individuals have to have vocal chemistry. Their voices and styles have to compliment each other and they have to sound good together. Rappers can get away with this a little bit but they still have to flow. Vocalists have it harder because in a duet or small subunit they'll be harmonizing, etc. etc. A company can't just throw two vocalists against a wall like spaghetti and see if they stick.

-> -> -> -> -> Subunits based on looks or to satisfy shippers et al. don't make much sense unless the subunit makes sense without those factors.

Since you mentioned EXO, I'll use the recent Chanyeol/Sehun EXO subunit as an example:

I'm not that well-versed in the EXO fandoms shipping culture, however, I do know some of the popular ships. And I'm not entirely sure if C/S are one of those (Chanyeol/Baekhyun? Huge.). The subunit makes sense since they're both rappers and the song is a rap song (I haven't actually heard the song but I saw the promotions). I have no idea if people were asking for that pairing or not. Likewise, I have no idea if they're a really popular pairing. They may be, either because of shipping or because they're rappers.

Popularizing/Monetizing/Exploiting/Fabricating

Saying that BH monetizes KM implies that they're deliberately trying to make money off of their bond and their popularity as a ship (more on this next). This can imply many things but one thing it implies that has a very negative connotation is that BH would fabricate things or deliberately mislead fans to make money (I've already explained that I don't see either the 2018 Memories or the Bring the Soul docuseries episode as KM bait, and I'll just have to agree to disagree with those who feel that way). Saying that BH can capitalize or make money off of KM implies to me that KM are popular, BH sees that, and BH may give us more moments of them together on film, etc.

In order to do that though, BH has to advertise the KM content. Are they actually doing that? I'm not convinced.

But this all still goes back to my point in the other post that BH actively promoting KM content in the interest of *winning* KM fans popularizes the ship and that's dangerous if they are actually together. It's dangerous because it opens them up to more scrutiny and puts them at risk of being outed. This would be devastating from a business sense unless the fandom culture changes (not going to happen) or they ease us into it. Maybe they are trying to do that now, I don't know how I feel about that, sometimes it seems that way but the reality of that is unrealistic. Before they could even remotely come out Bangtan and BH would have to take an obvious step toward supporting the LGBT+ community. They can't just skip over that to letting their artists come out.

KM are popularizing themselves with the way they act, and the video content we get continues to show how they interact. There's little BH can do at this point to avoid aiding KM in coming off as couplely. I mean, Seokjin deadass asked them if they were dating without a care in the world and teased their giggly asses on a Run! episode; he said it to tease them and everyone kind of brushed over it so it ended up not being very *dangerous*. It can't get much worse than that unless they were caught doing. . . something even remotely naughty and it got included in a show or film. We can infer things from their moments together and everything can seem couplely to us but each moment watched in isolation (with notable exceptions *cough*Rosebowl*cough*) isn't all that bad. They don't seem to be backing down in the slightest.

The only thing that I would think of as recent deliberate KM content (disregarding the *hearts* in their captions on episodes, photoshoots, etc. etc. because ALL members get that treatment) would be the VCR for 5th Muster. KM were in several scenes alone and Jimin was hella flirty. But that's just the thing: Jimin was flirty and Jimin is always flirty. He laid it on thick for the VCR but it's not unusual in and of itself. There's also the fact that they went to Busan this muster, and along with the KM being in the VCR they also did a photoshoot and even had photocards if I'm not mistaken. We know from the reaction of the city of Busan that people were pumped. Jimin was all over buses, etc. Busan got hyped. I don't doubt that BH may have done that deliberately because they were going to Busan. Could they have done it to deliberately excite KM shippers/fans? Sure. Did they capitalize off it? Well, the VCR was only available to people who'd already bought their tickets and no one was 'allowed' to film anything because muster would be available on vlive+, but they can never stop people from filming and within no time we already had the VCR or at least we had the KM bits immediately. So people don't really have to buy access to watch the VCR to satisfy their KM craving.

Basically, I'm neutral on that topic, I don't agree with the comments about 2018 Memories or Bring the Soul, and I'm not sure what else has been *done* recently to give off the impression that BH is trying to either exploit, capitalize from, or fabricate KM content. I could be proved wrong tomorrow but it seems like business as usual to me.

If BH wants to increase the popularity of certain pairings for subunit opportunities later, from a business perspective, why are they not capitalizing even more on already popular pairings?

I think we can all agree that taekook seems to be the most popular ship. Other popular ships I notice are sope, taegi, yoonmin, and taejin, with minjoon increasing in popularity; I see vmin mostly discussed in friendship terms with relatively little discourse on the 'realness' of the ship. My impression from this fandom has been that kookmin's popularity has been largely in the background until mid to late 2017 and really unleashed in 2018 when everything exploded.

And we all know this was partly because of two things: KM's increasing *loudness* and GCF:t. Neither of which had much to do with BH or any intention to make them an even more popular pairing for subunit/etc. purposes.

The way I see it, GCF:t was the straw that broke the camel's back for this fandom and at that point people *really* began to voice their opinions about this ship. After GCF:t people really began to question in earnest whether something was going on with them. The people who already suspected #jikookisreal were just cemented in their belief.

It seems to me that Jungkook's video (and his subsequent favoritism of #mainmodel Jimin) was the catalyst for this ships burst in popularity to where it is now.

But that being said, KM are still either less popular or soon to be on equal ground with TK. And yet, despite years of intense support for this pairing, Jungkook and Taehyung have yet to do anything creative together. Vmin is popular as a ship and in platonic terms, but Taehyung was told not to do a song with Jimin because of the content. If they'd done the song BH could have boosted the popularity of the pairing and capitalized on that subunit. Yoongi and Hoseok did Otsukare, and while it's a fun song it has never to this day made it officially to SoundCloud, despite the popularity of sope pairing as a ship.

More importantly, Jimin and Jungkook already are a subunit. They've done "Christmas Day" and a cover of "We don't Talk Anymore" together. Albeit, these were offerings for SoundCloud and Festa, but the two have already worked together of their own accord and established themselves as one of the 2-singer subunits in Bangtan. The fandom hardly hypes them as a subunit save for jikookers, and we already got a dance subunit performance so the fandom at large doesn't really push for them to perform together again at the moment. Yes, people might be noticing them more and they may be gaining in popularity as a ship and a pairing, but the amount of fans who see them as #busanbrothers as opposed to #busanboyfriends, a.k.a. the non-shippers who think the mere idea is crazy, is still large.

Salient points:

1. TK is still more popular than KM no matter how much of a bubble some of us are in,

2. TK fans (shippers or otherwise) are very vocal about wanting a TK subunit,

3. we still don't have it,

4. BH promoting KM for the purposes of officially debuting their subunit actually makes sense and doesn't come off to me as exploitation or monetization because they are already a subunit.

5. not many of the album subunit pairings so far have been very expected and/or made up of popular pairings or ships [jinjikook, vhope, and yoonmon aren't obscure by any means, but uber popular ships on the level of TK/KM/yoonmin/sope/taegi they are not (I would say that vhope would be the most popular ship out of these three, but that's just my observation)].

My general thoughts are that as far as music goes BH has neither made a concerted effort to push pairings that have a large, dedicated fanbase nor have they made strides to popularize subunits well in advance of the impending military enlistment of two members.

Yes, we now have 4 new album subunits between MOTS and OST and that's a lot, but only because we didn't have any before this year. Using the example of EXO again, they've had subunits for a while now and their group members only started to complete their service in the last few months (I know Xiumin/Minseok was in a subunit with 2 other members I believe, maybe Chen and. . Kai or Baekhyun, idk). Seokjin and Yoongi may be enlisting late next year, who really knows, and we still have to wait for two more albums to get the Namjoon/Jimin/Yoongi/Taehyung unit/s and these are only songs on an album. These aren't actual subunits that have been promoted separately from the group like Xiumin et al., Chanyeol/Sehun, and any of their other subunits.

From a business perspective, looking to capitalize on ship/pairing popularity, BH should be doing what exactly?

With how popular ships like TK and yoonmin are, to me it would make sense for BH to monetize and pair together the members that are already popular and who already have a very large fanbase practically begging for a subunit. When I say beg, I mean I see TKers really begging for a subunit on the daily. And other major ships like yoonmin are really desired subunits too; people still freak out over rapper Jimin and want a recycle of Tony Montana, and that compared with their *ship power* means it's pretty desired.

From a business perspective, wouldn't it make the most sense to capitalize even further on these popular pairings and satisfy fans who are just waiting to spend their money to see or hear their favorite members together?

I think it was obvious that BH was capitalizing on the ship popularity thing when they did the Hyundai ads. They paired sope and taekook together for those. It seems kind of clear. But other things like giving fancafe members a taekook selca among the other photos--I'm not exactly sure if the fans got all of that content as part of their perks of being a member or how that works, or if they had to purchase that content, I'm not really sure. But it seemed to me that they got all of those selcas and photos because they were members. When that happened I saw the KM community commenting and making fun of TKers for "having to pay for their ship's selcas" (which, honestly, is just fucking childish and rude and I'm kind of tired of hypocrisy--what do you say to jikookers who would "pay" for content if they thought they would get something KM related? Do you mock them for "paying" for their ship's content? Pot -> kettle -> black). But that's a rant for another day.

My point is, BH has done things along the way to capitalize from ships or to make fans happy by giving them content with their favorite pairings, of course they have. I think that's just idol culture and the industry they're in, and it can't be helped. They pretty much pander to fans when it suits them and it's all tied into the toxic culture where idols can't date and a bunch of bullshit I'm not interested in talking about rn.

What I don't think is that BH has queerbaited us with KM. I'm familiar with being queerbaited, both when it's deliberate baiting and when it's not and people just get offended because they're ship wasn't real.

As for subunits, if KM are debuted as a subunit the last thing I want to hear is that BH pushed that and helped them become popular. BH can absolutely still capitalize on a KM subunit with or without interference because we all know KM do the work themselves.

More importantly though, KM are already a subunit. So I don't even see BH debuting them as a move to capitalize on their relationship or their popularity with fans. They've worked together and fans like them together vocally. It makes total sense for them to be a subunit and frankly, that has nothing to do with whether or not they're together. The subunit would make sense without BH doing it to pander or monetize.

Rant = over.

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BTS Fics Recs (1/?)

Here are a few of my favorite BTS fics I thought I’d share, enjoy!

he's what you want (i'm what you need) by jonghyunslisterine

Summary: jimin needs to learn how to kiss. word on the streets is that yoongi's a very good kisser.

Ship: Yoonmin

Rating: Explicit

Words: 24k

My opinion: So sweet and cute, it’s one of my first Yoonmin (and BTS in general, tbh) fic and it holds a special place in my heart.

objects in mirror are closer than they appear by bazooka

Summary: It's a four step process: 1. Fall into somebody's head; 2. Figure out what's wrong; 3. Fix it; 4. Fade out, rinse, repeat.Simple, really. Foolproof.

The problem is that Kim Namjoon isn't a fool, and takes a little bit more time. A little bit more work. A little bit more attention.

Ship: Namgi

Rating: Explicit

Words: 16k

My opinion: That story hurt so good, honestly! The plot is super original and I just loved the dynamic between Namjoon and Yoongi.

when in doubt, blame a coat rack by anyadisee

Summary: Taehyung levels Jimin with an unimpressed look, finally picking his mug from the table. Pressing his mouth against the warmed porcelain, he says, “Your roommate is probably involved in some dangerous gang shit,” then he pointedly takes a long, long drink.

Jimin opens his mouth to deny that, maybe even laugh, because really? Really? Min Yoongi, introverted computer engineering senior who appears to have no friends except for the beanpole of a man living in the room across theirs, involved in gangs? It’s so unrealistic. Except—

Except.It perfectly explains why Yoongi has an anti-super agenda. Oh my god.

[or: superhero fan jimin and possible gang member yoongi (spoiler: he's not) are roommates. they spend winter break together.]

Ship: Yoonmin

Rating: Teen Up Audiences

Words: 18k

My opinion: This. Is. So. Funny. Seriously, if you’re looking for something sweet and funny, go for it, it’s definitely worth the read!

lass die sonne und mich allein by euphoriae

Summary: Taehyung thinks 'bf' means best friends. Jimin thought it meant boyfriends.

Ship: Vmin, background Yoonseok

Rating: Teen Up Audiences

Words: 6k

My opinion: Hurt/Comfort and misunderstandings are my weaknesses and this fic had all that and more. Super sweet and soft and Vmin being soulmates material as usual.

oil, lube, service by embryonicgrip

Summary: "Unless you know what a ‘rear oil change’ is? I mean, what the hell are they going to oil, my tires?” Jimin laughs at the ridiculousness. “Oh, I don’t know, but that sounds kind of kinky, 'changing your rear oil.' It sounds like the mechanic is preparing you for buttsex.”

“Tae!” Jimin complains. AKA The mechanic AU where Park Jimin thinks Min Yoongi is overcharging him for car maintenance, but he's really not, cue Yoonmin falling in love.

Ship: Yoonmin, minor Taekook and Namjin

Rating: Explicit

Words: 53k

My opinion: The setting is super original and I liked the angst and how the story and characters evolved!

Pause, Rewind, Play by aborescent

Summary: Jimin doesn’t know why it starts. Maybe it’s the eightieth post he’s seen today about him being rejected by Jungkook. But whatever the reason, Jimin starts to not care anymore.

Ship: Jikook

Rating: General Audiences

Words: 3k

My opinion: Honestly super well written, I could definitely see this happening at one point. Super soft, super sweet, just an emotionally constipated Jungkook trying to get his shit together.

once you've got some time, you've got the end by MauveTarte

Summary: All right, Jimin thinks as the last bright orange petal gets coughed up into the toilet bowl, who’s the sorry fucker that’s in love with him?

Or, A reverse HanaHaki!AU, where the person loved is the one coughing up the flowers.

Ship: Yoonmin

Rating: Teen Up Audiences

Words: 6k

My opinion: Ok, I usually hate HanaHaki!AUs because they’re always so fcking sad, but this one has a happy ending and the fact that the illness symptoms were reversed made it super interesting. And if that fic made me super soft for poor Yoongi… well you can’t prove anything.

all you need is love (and pink) by vppa

Summary: Most people only have one miniature angel or devil riding on their shoulders to serve as the physical manifestation of their conscience. Poor Namjoon has five, and they're all telling him the same thing: "fucking talk to him god dammit what the fuck is wrong with you"

Ship: Namjin

Rating: General Audiences

Words: 4k

My opinion: So original and fluffy, I loved the concept of this fic!

let's kick the tires and light the fires by MauveTarte

Summary: “What—" falls out of Jimin's mouth as he watches the man whip out a marker from his sweater pocket and, oh my god, deface the back of Jimin’s ticket. The very ticket Jimin was planning to, like, frame or something when he got back home.

(AKA: Novice business man Jimin may not know who this August guy is, but he does know he's a complete fucking dick.)

Ship: Yoonmin

Rating: Explicit

Words: 14k

My opinion: Another fic by MauveTarte that I’m obsessed with! Rapper!Yoongi and Businessman!Jimin? Sign me the fck up!

because fries and mixtapes by hoars

Summary: Yoongi works the graveyard shift at a fast food restaurant while trying to make it big. Taehyung has insomnia.

Ship: Taegi

Rating: Not Rated

Words: 6k

My opinion: So. Cute. Seriously, that was super soft, go read it!

pick me up, buttercup by vppa

Summary: AU where your soulmate's first words to you will be tattooed on your wrist when you meet.Which freakin sucks, because Jungkook's forearm will now forever read "Hey baby, if you were a booger, I'd pick you first."

What the fuck, universe.

Ship: Taekook, past VHope

Rating: General Audiences

Words: 9k

My opinion: Oh My God, this fic made me laugh so much, it’s hilarious. Loved loved loved it! Also, I’m a sucker for soulmates!AU.

Common Thread by sugafree

Summary: Red String of Fate AU where Yoongi doesn't believe in soulmates and spends a long time trying to avoid a certain someone on the other end of his red thread.

Ship: Yoonmin, Namjin

Rating: General Audieces

Words: 4k

My opinion: Short and sweet, I love an emotionally constipated Yoongi!

the moon and the stars (are nothing without you by wowoashley (orphan_account)

Summary: Summary based off of Real Events that happened to me the other day. i ended up screaming to siobhandestele about it and they told me to write a fic about it. and the word moderation does not exist in my vocabulary so :) based off the prompt: "Taekook college AU! The college tour guide raved about the uni's friendly atmosphere and amicable student body, but wanted a high five from a cute student and all he got was a glare"

Ship: Taekook, minor Yoonseok and MinJoon

Rating: Mature

Words: 19k

My opinion: Super funny and cute, I loved the dynamics, definitely worth the read, especially if, like me, you’re a sucker for College!AUs

Beta Tau Sigma by bazooka

Summary: A collection of events occurring within (and without) the walls of the Beta Tau Sigma fraternity house.

At Beta Tau Sigma, there are only a few rules: 1) have a declared major in the College of Music; 2) keep your GPA above a 3.4; 3) don't let Taehyung into the liquor cabinet; 4) don't fuck up with Kim Seokjin.

The rest is all fine print.

Ship: Namjin, Yoonmin

Rating: Mature

Words: 123k

My opinion: Okay, I’m pretty sure everyone and their mother knows about Beta Tau Sigma already, but just in case, here it is. This might be one of my fave BTS fic of all times, period. So fcking funny, so fcking sweet, seriously adorable and soft while so heartbreaking (it is a slowburn after all). Honestly, if you haven’t read it, what are you even waiting for?

Can't Hide Our Love (But We Can Try) by melecs

Summary: Four people think Jimin and Taehyung are dating. (Hoseok knows they’re not).

Ship: VHope

Rating: Teen Up Audiences

Words: 4k

My opinion: Ok, that was hilarious. The summary says it all, BTS notice things and reach a (wrong) conclusion. Ft. Supportive BTS and lovey-dovey VHope!

Safe and Sound by bazooka

Summary: From a tumblr prompt: Jin is a prince, and Namjoon is his bodyguard.

"You're sort of bad at this." "Nah. You're safe, aren't you?"

Ship: Namjin

Rating: Mature

Words: 10k

My opinion: Probably the fic that first got me into Namjin. It’s so sweet and lovely, a must-read for any Namjin lover.

Money can't buy happiness (except when it does) by Sharleena

Summary: “So, I know that you're homeless and that you don't need my pity, it's just that I noticed you always write on the edges of your notebook because you probably can't buy a new one, so I bought you six new notebooks and... wait, are you crying?” AU

Ship: Yoonmin, background Taekook and Namjin

Rating: Teen Up Audiences

Words: 14k

My opinion: Okay, this fic made me feel so many emotions, it’s not even funny. Homeless!Yoogi meets Selfless!Jimin and it. is. so. soft. A bit angsty at times (because yes Yoongi is homeless), but also super funny and sweet.

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