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coruscatingdust · 9 months
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I wanted "peace," to be left alone in my underground world. Real life oppressed me with its novelty so much that I could hardly breathe.
Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground
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lilmeawmeawblog · 9 months
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𝙲𝚑𝚒𝚕𝚍𝚑𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝙴𝚗𝚗𝚎𝚊𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚖 𝚝𝚢𝚙𝚎𝚜
𝚃𝚢𝚙𝚎 𝟻 : 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚗𝚟𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚐𝚊𝚝𝚘𝚛
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the quiet kids, kids who like to disappear inside their own mind, kids who don't want to lose the safety it provides. Its likely that E5 kid didn't feel nurtured enough, especially by their mother which caused the painful feelings of longing, isolation. To defend themselves against those feelings the kids started to occupy their minds with something else, they retreated into their mind. The kids thought by not wanting any emotional nourishment from the nurturing figure they can truly become independent. Its possible the kids never felt safe with their family. Detachment & forcing themselves to not desire any emotional engagement with others became their defense mechanism. As a child it feels very overwhelming and unsafe for them to leave their mind. When the E5 kids needed other people's mental support the most in order to survive , they were neglected & left alone. Most likely the mother figure was unresponsive to E5 kid. As an adult, they are forever stuck in the last & third phase of separation "detachment" since childhood.
{ writing this was a bit uncomfortable for me as an E5 because it brings back the painful feelings from childhood. }
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sp6ghetti · 1 year
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Enneatype 5 summarised!!
Core type-  Passion: avarice. E5s are cautious and value anonymity with what they share in order to maintain the peace and calmness they worked hard to achieve. They need this space to consume information about the world without having to participate in it. Fixation: stinginess. They have a huge thirst for knowledge, usually this will accompany knowledge on how to strategically control their environment. Trap: observer. The e5s fascination with the world comes from a place of anxiety. They want to know everything about life while refusing to really live it. Defence mechanism: isolation. To avoid emptiness and keep their self image of being knowledgeable, they isolate themselves from any painful or intense emotions. Instead they want to focus on their knowledge in hope to completely remove these thoughts. Virtue: detachment. To relieve themselves from their isolation, they will need to detach from their hiding place, experience the world and let go of the anonymity they so crave.  Key traits: The centrality of thinking, emotional detachment and feelinglessness, fear of engulfment, autonomy and self-sufficiency, hypersensitivity.
Subtypes-  Self preservation [sp]: Sp5s build clear walls around themselves to protect their safe space. They have a strong need for things like boundaries and dislike surprises and intrusions. Once they feel as though these boundaries are crossed, they rely on their safe space to retreat to. They generally strongly value control. Sexual [sx]: Sx5s are often more artistic than the other subtypes. They want to find the perfect partner they can share every part of themselves with. Even the parts they’ve suppressed for a long time. Because of this, they are often disappointed in the people they trusted in to be like this perfect person for them. Social [so]: So5s have this same desire to be able to share their ideas and thoughts with others, but this is much more group focused for them. They want to find people who they share interests with and bring them together. They are more obvious in their search for knowledge, but focus less on truly shutting themselves off.
Contradictions-  ESFJ, ENFJ, ESFP, ENFP, ENTP, ESTP, ESTJ, ENTJ, ISFP, INFP, ISFJ The main contradiction in e5 is extroversion. E5 is a very reclusive type, they tend to observe instead of participate and try. This contradicts with the inherent external involvement of any cognitively extroverted type. The second is partially the feeling dichotomy, this is due to their emotional isolation. The sensation dichotomy is also considered to be debatable due to e5s abstract thought process.  Types you might want to look into if you are on this list are e3, e4, e6, e7 and e9.
Compatible types- Self preservation: ISTP, INTP, ISTJ, INTJ Sexual: INFJ, INTP, INTJ Social: INTP, INTJ
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phlve · 5 months
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The Enneagram of Divine Forms — Point 5: The Observer
Will narrow the universal view into the particular and subjective point of view of the observer
Always losing perspective of the forest because their entire attention is on particular trees
Is found collecting bits and pieces
Can spend a lot of time trying to disclose the riddles of life and society
Continuous interest in observing others
Fear that they are also the focus of attentive study and observation by others
Inclined to hide and be anonymous around people
General inclination to play the social game without giving of themselves completely and openly
General attitudes of fear of the environment, natural and social, ‘nervous wrecks’ because of the pressure of their fear and stress
Perceives and projects their distortion of reality by thinking that they have been alienated by their siblings or the world
Ego-delusion: of being stingy or a person who keeps to themselves as they judge others exclusively from their personal perception and narrow point of view
Passion of avarice: amass information and accumulate, pieces of knowledge and gossip about others, as well as collecting material things
Meddling on one side and antisocial on the other
Introjection: their primary defense mechanism, in which they absorb themselves in and internalize the attributes and personalities of others by assimilating their behavior, emotions or characteristics
Self-obsessed, see themselves as a separate bystander
Assert to themselves: ‘I am sociable and self-sufficient’
Shyness which makes them nervous socially
Ego-reaction: distrust, which produces a constant looking in every direction
Ego-justification: to face facts with cynicism because of their poor idea of the motives and self-interest of others
Intense aversion or repulsion that is felt acutely, which becomes the starting point for their plotting and scheming
Considerate on one side and imposing on the other
Source: @/if u seek amy on PDB
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wheresmyfuckintea · 1 year
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ENNEAGRAM TYPE FIVE : the scholar
-> concerned with knowledge & competence
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aleprouswitch · 1 year
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This test is probably the best MBTI + Enneagram test out there due to how extensive and intensive the questions are.
I test as INTJ with ISTJ as a close second. My enneagram is 5w4 with a 584 tritype. My social variant is sp/sx.
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blueopinions49 · 1 year
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Understanding Type 5
An intro to enneagram 5
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Beth Harmon (Queens Gambit) INTJ 5w4 so/sp 
Core Desire (Exploration of the Mind)- They crave knowledge and understanding of the world around them. 
Vice (Avarice)-They will cling to things (Not necessarily material) and keep them guarded in order to feel a sense of comfort. 
Fixation (Miser)- Will hide away their knowledge and general understanding of things due to feeling like it doesn't give as much result as it takes to share it. 
Wings 
5w4 (The Philosopher)- With the w4 they become more interested in metaphysical constructs and imaginative processes. Interested in the aesthetic and symbolic representation of things. Might be more introverted possibly a bit more on the intense side. Emotionally inaccessible while maintaining a level of intesity. But due to being a withdrawn type and a rejection type all of this emotional intensity is purely internal. 
5w6 (The Troubleshooter)- While the 5w4 will focus on metaphysical constructs and the understanding of the metaphysics on knowledge the 5w6 will be more interested in the  categorization of this knowledge. Will be more practical than then 5w4. More likely to be interested in the applicability of this knowledge in the outer world. Due to their interest in practicality they are gonna be more interested in methodical processes than imaginative ones. 
Triads- Head (5-6-7)
they have a tendencies to withhold all of their emotions to avoid all form of emotional attachment. 
Harmonic Triad- Competency (1-3-5)
Focuses on the gain of information and performs action in an “objective” manner withholding their emotions from getting in the way. 
Hornevian Triad- Withdrawn (4-5-9)
Detach themselves of reality to preserve their selves due to their being avarice they will withhold allot of themselves around others. 
Object Relations- Rejections (2-5-8)
They will reject any form of emotional attachment that comes their way. will withhold from any form of emotional attachment. 
Subtypes
Social (so)- The social 5 focuses on sharing their knowledge to others they want to expand on information. This subtype will use the knowledge and sharing it in order to keep themselves from feeling. They are more on the social side due to them wanting to share the knowledge they have gained in their life. They are extremely driven, social and competitive. Due to this qualities they can look like 3s and 7s. 
Ex- Benoit Blanc (Knives Out) INTJ 5w4 so/sp, Reed Richards (MARVEL COMICS) INTP 5w6 so/sp and Lara Croft ISFP 5w6 so/sp
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Sexual (sx)- As the counter type of 5 this subtype will focus on gaining the perfect relationship. They will start the relationship slowly by putting you via certain trails if you will. This subtype is only interested in connecting with someone who they can share their inner world with another who understands them. They can be more sensitive than the other 5s and due to this they'll look like 4s while still being a 5 at their core.
Ex-Joe Goldberg (You) INFJ 5w4 sx/sp, Mister Darcy (Pride and Prejudice)  INTJ 5w4 sx/sp and Mother Miranda (RE Village) INTJ 5w6 sx/sp
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Self-Preservation (sp) the self-preservation type 5 will hide themselves from others by maintaining themselves away from others by creating physical and metaphysical walls between themselves and others. However they minimize themselves in order to have a safe space for themselves in comfort. They can be more social however it's a social battery that can run out. They can look like 6s sometimes. 
Ex-Alice Liddle (Alice in Wonderland) INTP 5w6 sp/sx, Raven INTJ 5w4 (Teen Titans)  sp/sx and L (Death Note) INTP 5w4 sp/so
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Moves (Positive and Negative)
Moves to 8
Positive- They become In tune with themselves and uses their anger to pursuit their goals more. They become assertive in their wants
Negative-They become more withdrawn and uses their anger punitively to push others away more.
Moves to 7
Positive- They become in tune with the enviorement less paranoid and fearful. Becomes more interested in the outer world and experiences they can find in it. 
Negative- Overindulges and becomes distracted easily. 
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lemonthepotato · 2 months
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Collage of enneagram characters I made for an amino post.
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Edit: Replaced Chiaki with Napstablook. She’s an obvious 5 that I typed wrong.
Edit 2: Rarity is likely a 2w1, my apologies. Sera might be E6, I saw a good argument for her. I’ll make a part 3 going into subtypes.
Edit: Massive Update
Edit 2: Not sure if I’ll make the subtypes one. It’s taking so long to find all these different examples. I’ve only gotten to so5. Also Natsuki being E4 was a CRAZY take.
Edit 3: Nicole is a sp7 I just don’t feel like changing it. I was doing an analysis for this acc (coming… whenever) and reading subtype descriptions and nope, not a sp8.
Edit 4: No longer stand by Shion sx4. She’s a sx7. Probably, anyway.
Edit 5: Ok why did I think Adam was an 8? He’s a clear 7, right? Ugh, I give up. If I change my mind on something, I’ll just add it to this.
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sleepy-vix · 7 months
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100% 5 AND 99% 4 HOLY SHIT??? higher than average percentages on 6 and 9 is so true aswell wow
source: advanced-personality.com
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rainytypology · 7 months
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Enneagram Type 5
An overview of an enneagram type. Not an expert. May change later.
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Center: Head/Thinking/Fear
Other triads: Competent, Withdrawn, Rejection
Basic motivation: To be competent, knowledgeable
Basic fear: Being useless and helpless
Wings: 5w4, 5w6
Disintegration/stress: 7
Integration/growth: 8
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Traits
- Strengths -
Insightful
Curious and observant
Analytical and rational
Independent
Innovative and inventive
- Weaknesses -
Detached and distant
Can isolate self too often
Intense, doesn't understand feelings
Nihilistic
Feeling incapable, incompetent
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Wings
- 5w4 -
5 and 4 are withdrawn types so a 5w4 is a very internalized type. 5w4s often need a lot of alone time to reflect and recharge. This type is a deep and sensitive thinker, very observant and detail oriented. Can be very focused and attentive. They work hard when it comes to things they are passionate about.
- 5w6 -
The 6 wing makes 5 a little more open and receptive to people. They're quite organized and structured with a plan for pretty much everything, considering 5's need to be knowledgeable and 6's need to be prepared all the time. They can be creative problem solvers and are quite practical.
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Disintegration: 7
Disintegrating to 7 shows up in a 5 as scatterbrained behavior. Easily distracted and impulsive. Can have a hard time concentrating as their mind is filled with too much and keeps jumping from one thing to the next. A disintegrated 5 is very restless.
Integration: 8
Integration to 8 means a 5 is learning to become more comfortable in participating in the real world. Fear no longer makes them want to hide away all the time. They are capable of living outside of their minds and fully living in reality. They don't get stuck analyzing choices over and over again to the point of paralysis - they learn to just do things regardless of their paranoia.
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Subtypes of 5
- Sp 5 -
Sp 5s are the most protective over their time and energy. They have clear boundaries they are not shy to set. Sp 5s have a need for independence and will not allow anyone or anything to take it away from them. This subtype is much more of an observer of life rather than a participant. They would rather focus their time and energy into personal projects that bring them life.
- Sx 5 -
Sx 5s are less concerned with boundaries as they seek to find a person who has a similar mindset like them. They want to find someone who can truly understand them so that the sx 5 can comfortably open up their private world to them. However, their independence can still make them fearful - it can take a lot of time for them to genuinely open up. They try to attract by having various interests and having interesting inner lives.
- So 5 -
So 5s want to be seen as competent and wise by others. They want to be seen as intellectual and so will be drawn to opportunities that allow them to showcase their knowledge and skills. However, their need to be alone conflicts with the desire to be viewed as an intelligent role model. They don't want to be overwhelmed by the world yet still want to participate in it. Although a social subtype, they may still struggle to connect with others, but they will still be drawn to like minded individuals.
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Enneagram list
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Side blogs:
Kpop astrology @rainy-astrology
Kpop fanarts @rainy-artworks
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tansdiary · 8 months
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so i wait and wait and wait, but the right time never comes. the right time only goes. away. away it goes and never comes back.
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fnec · 2 years
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do u guys ever like discover ur type in another typology system and then just feel so cool and smart adding it into every bio u have like
"Hah oh yeah I'm a ILE ENTP (NeTi) [S]L/O/aI FEVL PBNV(4324) 7w8 739 sp/so sang-chol ph-phsa-ch "🧍🏾‍♀️
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thinkingmystic · 4 months
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Enneagram pages about Fives: weird logical lil bugs, super shy
Actual Fives:
I am an unfillable chasm yearning for oblivion
I could eat the whole world and hunger still for death
My emotions blot out the sun; can you not hear me screaming?
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5s are bigger sadbois than 4s. both are emo as fuck. 4 emos are crying out for their lost utopia and crying out for love. because they disintegrate into a 2 and idealize integration into the idealistic 1. 5 emos are like "its over. I can never be saved. the world is too big and crushing for me. lets bleed and die and become robots". they disintegrate into 7 where they are lost in the big picture and become sad about their lack of impact in the enormous world (because they lack the positivity of a true 7). and they idealize integration into 8 which is an over-embodied animal, a "beast" with zero idealism whatsoever. but they also seem to fear this greatly... ???
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enneagramgoodvibes · 6 months
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It doesn’t matter if it’s actually you’re enneagram type, if it’s what you feel like right now, then it’s what your pain point is, and you should work through it. If you’re still that type after, great, if you’re not, now you’re healthier and can keep looking.
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innammoratta · 2 years
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Enneagram Memes
Part Two
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