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marinerainbow · 11 months

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Tagging: @slashingdisneypasta

Nobody asked, I just felt like posting this.

WFRR Characters as humans

Please note, I am not great at physical descriptions. This would be so much easier if I could draw xD I'm trying to be as descriptive as I can without dragging on too long. I hope I'm successful.

Roger Rogers (Roger Rabbit)

Yes, he has and will joke about his last name. He stands at about 5'1, and was born 1921 (26 years old in the events of the film), and is a lanky man with the flexibility of a wacky inflatable tube man. Roger still sticks to more loose, casual clothes similar to his toon counterpart. His nose is round and a little red, looking almost like a button ^^ though he is white (not overly pale. Might even have a slight tan. I'm not too sure). And yes, he still has his buck tooth, along with a head of fluffy orange hair. And I'm giving him freckles.

Jessica Rogers (Jessica Rabbit)

Honestly, Jessica looks pretty much the same as her toon self. With more realistic proportions, of course. She is 6'1 and was born in 1917 (30 years old). And above all, she still adores her short king, and feels loved by him everyday ^^

(I feel bad for not giving Jessica so much of a description, but she's the only adult humanoid looking toon, and I can't imagine her looking any other way as a human)

Herman 'Babyface' Douglas (Baby Herman)

A short, pudgy man. His exact height is 4'11, and was born 1897 (50 years old). Though he'll claim he's younger than he is. His skin care routine does help him look younger though, hence his nickname (don't expect him to tell you his secrets though), and how he can get roles usually reserved for younger actors. His hair is a bright strawberry blonde, but thinning, so he tries to style it in ways that make it look fuller. His eyes are still a bright blue. Herman prefers dressing in more expensive suits and coats (bro literally had a thick fur coat in one short), to show off his wealth and trying to make himself look better than everyone else.

Benjamin 'Benny' Brown (Benny the Cab)

(His initials are BBB like the now bankrupt store-)

I actually imagine Benny as an African American. He is 5'10 and was born in 1891 (56 years old. He said he was a cab for 37 years in the film, so that would mean he would've started, at most, when he was 19 in the human AU). He has short, kind of choppy black hair and dark brown eyes. He also has a scruffy goatee. Benny possesses a more muscular build, though it's mostly hidden by his jacket, so he just looks like a generally big guy (yes, he does perform his own maintenance on his car).

Anderson 'Andy' Winston (Smartass Weasel)

(If this guy was in the modern era, he'd get so sick of all the Toy Story jokes)

Standing at exactly 5'0, this New Yorker was born in 1912 (35 in the events of the film). He has a skinny frame, though broad shoulders, and is fairly strong for his size (he literally punched Eddie so hard he twisted around and doubled over the bar counter. Smarty has to have some strength, right??). He has olive skin, chestnut brown eyes, and actually has a bit of red in his hair. It's not too noticeable unless you're really looking, so he's not a red head like Jessica is. Also has a tooth gap! He cant grow facial hair though, even though he wants to (he wants a nice mustache. But can't grow one)

Miguel Rodriguez (Greasy Weasel)

His height is 5'9, and he was born 1909 (38 years old). He's got skinny arms and hands, which only makes his wandering hands feel just a bit more creepy on your skin (look at his hand/arm when he rolls his sleeve up! Not to mention how his sleeves hang off of him. Somebody put meat on those arms), though he's got a more curvy body with a bit of a belly too. I also imagine he's got a darker skin tone, and can grow scruffy facial hair if he forgets to shave. And he applies hair oil partially because his black hair is actually really curly (the tips curl up despite the hair oil? That's got to be some serious curl strength there). His eyes are a really dark brown, almost black, but in the light you can see the color.

Francis Green (Wheezy Weasel)

Yes, his last name is meant to be ironic. His height is 6'2, and he was born right at 1900 (47 years old). Kind of skinny, but you can see the sinewy muscle as well, hinting to his own strength. He looks pretty sickly, and has blemishes all over his body (he was a picker before becoming a smoker). His eyes are a slate blue, and he has ash blonde hair. Unlike Greasy, he rarely shaves, so he's got a rough, scratchy beard too, and yellow teeth from his smoking habit. I also see him having a more crooked nose shape.

(Honestly just imagine Bill Moseley and you'd get what I imagine human Wheezy would look like).

Charlie Renfield (Psycho Weasel)

(his last name may or may not be a reference to a certain Dracula character)

Psycho here is 5'3, and was born 1919 (28 years old). He has a skinny, angular build. No curves to be seen. Similar to Wheezy, he's got a sickly pale skin tone, and has scars and blemishes along his body from being careless and actively picking and scratching at himself. His most prominent scars are two on the corners of his lips from the times he's carried his razor in his mouth (he actually did do that in the movie. He's so lucky he's a toon). He's got a big head of fluffy, dark brown hair. Not curly necessarily, just... Poof. Also, he has split heterochromia; his right eye is blue, and his left eye is yellow (I know partial heterochromia would be more accurate to his swirly eyes, but I like the complete split more).

Thomas 'Tommy' Winston (Stupid Weasel)

This big lug is 6'4, and was born 1922 (25 years old). He is pretty chubby and has a round face, though don't let the plushness deceive you; that isn't just fat that makes him huge. He's got pretty big hands, especially (even as a weasel, he had huge hands! You guys saw his hand when he flipped the switch to the DIP machine too, right?). He also has olive skin, though it's more tanned as well, and he has freckles ^^ also has a deeper red hair color than Andy does, and it is more wavy than his too. I'm debating on whether or not he'd have brown or green eyes (everyone else has brown, blue, or yellow eyes. Green would complete the set). His buck tooth is still here, though smaller because human teeth.

Bonus! Sophie O'Brian (Poppy O'Hare)

(Yes, my OC. Technically I already made a post for Poppy, but I didn't really like how I wrote it. So this is take two. Hopefully I feel better with this one 😅)

Pops is the shortest of all, standing at 4'10. And was born 1920 (27 years old). She has pale, porcelain skin- though has developed some worry lines along her eyes- and big, bright brown eyes. I'm still having trouble deciding whether or not she has glasses, even for her toon self. But for her human self, I'm gonna say she only needs glasses when reading; any other time, you won't see her with a pair. She has a thinner, but still feminine build that she prefers to keep hidden under her clothes. Her hair is wavy and black, and reaches just under her chin.

(Hm... Honestly, when thinking of actors for human Poppy to look like, I keep thinking of Anya Taylor Joy. I'm not too sure about it though).

I hope you guys liked reading this ^^

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princess-of-the-corner · 6 months

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Is Gabriel taller as Hawkmoth than he is as a civilian in your AU's?

Ahahahahahahha I FUCKIN FORGOT

Man's already 220cm/7'2" he does NOT need to make himself taller!

I think he wouldn't do that though the shoes probably add a little lift just to throw everyone off.

That said re: Heights.

I am throwing Canon's heights right out the window. Because I know they're stylized heights for cartoon characters so Mari and friends have to be so much shorter than the grown adults. That makes sense from a design standpoint!

But when you try to put real-world number measurements to them, it gets fucky.

Like friendly reminder that these two characters

Are the exact same canonical height (150cm/4'11")

So yeah HC/LL bumps the Miracuclass up in both height and age(technically their age remained the same but Canon was retconned), with Adrien jumping up a whole 31cm/a whole foot

Which /does/ mean I nerf Gabriel's height to a more reasonable 182-190cm/6'-6'5-ish(haven't decided on a solid height other than 'still taller than Adrien by a bit').

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sammy8d257 · 9 months

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How old do you view the main Stick Figures? After seeing King (and Purple's Dad) being like way taller than them, I'm conflicted whether theyre supposed to be late teens or young adults

Heyo, I previously stated my age headcanons for the Stick Figures in a different post (found here -> [LINK])

But it doesn't hurt to answer them again!

For the Color Gang, I view them as young adults

They don't have an exact age but early 20s is the range

Purple is also early 20s but I actually do have a specific age for them because they were born and grew up in the InterSpace

King and Purple's Dad are very much adults, like late 30s - mid 40s (at the time of AvM s3)

Just because a stick figure is shorter, does not automatically make them younger

Orchid (Purple's mom) is shorter than both Reg. Blue and Purple in the music sequence, but she's still an adult

Short adults exists, Trust me, I'm 4'11" and 23

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#Sammy8D answers #anon #anonymous #age headcanon #ava headcanon #ava headcanons #animator vs animation #ava shorts #alan becker #Sammy8D queues #Sammy8D Stick Stuff

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ageless-soul-au · 1 year

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List of Links - in kind of chronological order!

Ages are at the start of the adventure. Look up any character on the blog by using "#ASAU [name]"!! Refer to the timeline for exact placement. If any details change, we'll update this post!

First - he/him, cis, bi, 29, 6'4 / 193cm - Hylia's chosen warrior, the first hero whom the others inherit the Hero's Spirit from, married to Stella (OC), Warriors' father

Sky - he/him, cis, bi, 25, 5'10 / 178cm - Hero from Skyward Sword, married to Sun

Myriad - he/him, cis, it's complicated, 36, 5'10.5 / 179cm - Hero of the era 10,000 years before Breath of the Wild (10k Era) and the First Calamity, technically married to Monarch but they're kinda divorced

Four - plural they (he/him if necessary), system, 17, 4'9 / 145cm - Hero(es) from Minish Cap & Four Swords Adventures

Red - she/they, femme NB, panrom gray ace, 4'5 / 135cm

Vio - he/they, demiboy, homorom demi, 4'7 / 139cm

Green - he/him, cis, aroace, 4'9 / 145cm

Blue - he/him, basically cis, demi, 4'11 / 149cm

(Bonus! Shadow - he/it, creature, gay, 4'9 / 145cm)

Cinder - he/him, cis, straight, 24, 5'11 / 180cm - Hero from Termina before Majora's Mask, took over the quest for Termina's previous hero when he got injured, fought Majora and adventured with Navi

Flicker - he/him, cis, babey, 9, babey height - Fallen Hero from OoT, pulled the sword and was never put to sleep, died fighting Beast Ganon

Time - he/him, cis, questioning, 21, 6'1 / 185cm - Hero from Ocarina of Time & Majora's Mask

Wind - he/him, cis, doesn't care (demi), 17, 5'8 / 173cm (as of the beginning) - Hero from Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass

Twilight - he/him, cis, bi open/polyam, 28, 6'0 / 183cm - Hero from Twilight Princess, married to Midna

Fae - she/her, transfemme NB, lesbian, 18, 5'7 / 170cm - Heroine from before Hyrule Warriors, split Ganondorf's soul into four parts, reintroduced Great Fairies post-TP pre-BotW, green witch

Legend - he/him, transmasc/GNC-ish, bi/pan polyam, 20, 5'3 / 160cm (boots make him 5'6 / 167cm) - Hero from A Link to the Past, Oracle of Seasons & Ages, Link's Awakening, & A Link Between Worlds

Bonus! Ravio - he/him, cis, gay leaning pan polyam, 20, 5'7.5 / 171cm - Legend's Lorulean counterpart (and boyfriend) from ALBW

Hyrule - they/them, non binary/agender, aroace, 18, 5'8 / 173cm - Hero from the Legend of Zelda (Hyrule Fantasy/LoZ '86) & the Adventure of Link

Warriors - he/(she/they), cis(?) (genderfluid), bi polyam, 26, 6'3 / 190cm - Hero from Hyrule Warriors, hasn't had the gender epiphany yet but they'll get there (edit: they've gotten there!!)

Champion - he/him, cis(?), bi, 19, 5'2 / 157cm - Hero from pre-Calamity Breath of the Wild

Wild - they/any/neos, genderqueer/pangender, pan polyam/open, 20, 5'7 / 170cm - Hero from Breath of the Wild (not TotK)

Tears - he/him, cis(?), pan, 20s, 5'7 / 170cm - Hero from Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild (but who isn't the same person as Wild...)

Odyssey - he/him, cis-ish, bi polyam, 20, 5'10 / 178cm - Hero after Breath of the Wild, completed his quest alongside his Zelda and Ganondorf

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sunnybunny2468 · 1 month

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i realized i never compared their heights so....

theyre vibing on a roof!

(if you want exact numbers, Bri is 4'11, Allie is 5'8, Miley is 5'3, and Lavender is 5'6. in gacha i used 10, 15, 12, and 14 respectively if you want to know :D)

#🧺#my ocs

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kquil · 7 months

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AAA THE BIGGEST OF CONGRATS FOR 1K!!!!! i've only recently been dragged back to my marauders phase, so i regrettably haven't been following you for long (i followed like earlier today but i've been silently reading your stuff for a few weeks). that said, please feel free to ignore this 🧁 request!!

omg so nervous to do this bc i've only done smth like this once before BUT i'm a 4'11" girl (very small very angry). i'm generally very quiet and calm, but i do have lots of thoughts about this that i'm often too scared to share. i think i'd be best with someone who will listen to me or someone who likes to let me listen to them. i'm also a bit of a romantic and often take to daydreams, but that doesn't mean i'm not plenty organized and focused on reality! i have many goals i want to complete and work very hard for them, i like to be very responsible with everything i'm doing, and i'm very rule-abiding.

so hope that wasn't too much and feel free to ignore this once again!! happy 1k and the biggest of congratulations as well

thank you so so much for the congratulations darling! and for enjoying my works, i really appreciate all the support and love ૮꒰˶ᵔ ᗜ ᵔ˶꒱ა˖⁺‧₊˚ also welcome back to the fandom, i hope you're still back in it because i took so long to write this, im so sorry!

i ship you with Regulus Black

i. regulus is the only person you trust to voice your thoughts to without having to worry about being heavily judged, he’s just so chill with it and sometimes he even likes to add his own thoughts and opinions to your personal take; it leads to a lot of fun but deep conversations which help you two grow closer to each other — it’s very wholesome but most people that would sometimes overhear your conversations wouldn’t know what to make of it but since you’re with regulus, they never pry or make any unwarranted comments about it; regulus is your confidant and shield in that right

ii. you return the favour by being regulus’ confidant and shield as well, you are each other’s comfort and are always grateful for the other being there no matter the circumstances. regulus has confided in you the struggles he had growing up and you do your best to be there for him, unfortunately, you don’t think you’re doing too much but it’s the exact opposite; regulus has never been able to have someone like you in his life and he’s so grateful that he has you with him now. because of you, many of the other slytherins have gotten to see regulus smile and soften his features whenever he’s around you, they sometimes think you’ve cast a spell on him or something! but if the try to confront you about it, regulus is always there to deter them with an icy, stone-cold glare and a silent threat in the unpleasant curl of his lip

iii. sometimes he’d catch you daydreaming with starry eyes and the prettiest smile on your lips and he can’t help but smile to himself at the image. He often asks what you were thinking of whenever you snap out of your daze and he loves it even more when you eagerly tell him whatever was on your mind. however, he hears one of your friends ask you before he could one day and you were more hesitant to reveal your daydream. when he asked about it later, you happily disclosed all the details to him. and that was the day he discovered, with the softest heart, how much you trusted him with your thoughts — so he endeavoured to return the same amount of trust and love to you by sharing his thoughts and feelings without hesitation, only with you

iv. he also appreciates how idyllic you are. his parents have destroyed his idea and perception of love but you were healing him from it, persistent in sharing your daydreams and expressing how much you would love it if a romantic gesture was ever directed at you, such as receiving a bouquet with a love note on it. hey-ho, the next day, you receive a bouquet of flowers at breakfast from your owl, along with a loving note that he wrote himself. he savours your adorable reaction and smiles when he sees realisation come over you at recognising his hand writing before looking up to meet his eyes and smile at each other lovingly.

v. regulus also takes a lot of inspiration from you when it comes to his attitude; you’re so high spirited and hard working. he appreciates that so much, being around you is so uplifting. he was given many goals as a child and forced to complete them because of his parents so he never really had much passion or the like to motivate him the way you were motivated to achieve your own goals. He admired your will and the drive you had, it was something he knew he was missing and he craved it, which is why he loved being around you even more, simply because that drive and emotion you had was infectious coming from you — it actually made working hard fun for him, you cuddling him, kissing him and being affectionate with him was also an added bonus, he couldn’t think of a better reward for working hard than your sweet kisses, warm hugs and kind words. he loves you so so much…

1K MILESTONE EVENT : CLOSED | NAVI.

#☀︎ : 1k milestone #☀︎ : 1k #🧁 : cupcake 1k #event closed #no longer taking requests #regulus black #regulus black x reader #regulus x reader #regulus black imagine

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spider-mar2004 · 11 days

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Are there some times where Marlette gets insecure about her height?

No, she is not insecure and /or ashamed by it, either she is proud of that tbh. "She is just meh fine okay that's what i got"

But a fact is, when she was younger (13 to be exact) before get her powers she was small, like around of 4'11 - 5'0 but uh the tarantula bit her guess said "ya gonna be big ass now." And poof

#mar's random shit #my art #spiderman oc #ask #Marlette is such a big badass bitch #She gives me Lady Dimitrescu Vibes HELP

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phantasmagoriaoriginals · 8 months

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Here There be Monsters: Creature Basic Intros (Part 3)

Ichabod

Capran, any pronouns.

A friendly Creature whose species is widely known for enjoying tricks, humor, and wild company. Ichabod is even friendlier than the average Capran— anyone who treats him kindly can expect a close companion for as long as they'll allow him to stay.

His mind works quickly enough to run in circles more often than not. The bizarre things that come out of his mouth are usually hilarious, but it's impossible to understand what he's thinking. He's adaptable, good-natured, and eternally trusting of anyone he decides is "good". With a fondness for human culture (especially media), he's determined to adapt to "society" and make friends.

5'5. Surprisingly stocky build for his height, though he never seems to put on weight no matter how much he eats. Thick, ginger-blond hair that fights any comb, gauges in his ears, and a wild spattering of freckles over his skin. Yellow eyes with a goat's signature square pupils, and thicker body hair than a human.

Filch

Goblin, he/him.

The definition of a remorseless troublemaker, his uncanny skill for knowing exactly how to get under people's skin is truly loathed. He's capable of invisibility, shapeshifting, and intuition, but only uses his skills to cause problems for those around him.

Filch is the kind of disrespectful and careless that makes enemies at every turn. He lives for entertainment, but his annoyance-based sense of humor turns that simple goal into a constant problem. He has a habit of stealing, not out of greed, but purely for the sake of the problems his theft will cause. Forever living in the moment, he's both easy to please and immaturely reckless.

4'11. His teenage-like appearance is far from his true self, but Filch's dark, greasy hair, dull eyes, and taunting smirk fit the part well. His pointed, oversized ears and sharp teeth are more unusual, though, and the rasp in his voice doesn't fit his surprisingly youthful face. Somehow, he always seems dirty.

Mithri

Naga, they/them.

Their species, the Anatolian Naga, has venom that can supposedly be transformed into a cure-all antidote. Unfortunately, they tend to be exceedingly prideful and uninterested in human well-being. Supposedly, they have supernatural intuition for medicine as well.

Mithri is the kind of self-centered person who believes that they can do no wrong. They have the utmost confidence in their own abilities, and take every perceived slight against them as a mortal sin. They're vindictive and quick to lash out at others, but their ego doesn't make up for the terrible luck that follows them.

6'0. Tall, slender, and graceful, with the kind of lean muscle that contains far more strength than it looks. Brown skin, copper eyes with slit pupils, pointed ears, prominent canine fangs, and hip-length aqua hair often worn in complex up-dos. Their face is almost inhumanly beautiful, but their expressions are mean.

Senka

Shadow Beast, any pronouns.

A shapeshifting Creature known for its unmatched speed, and often associated with children, dark nights, and sudden visions. Though Senka's species usually hides in the shadows, when one bonds to a human, they're protective and fiercely loyal.

Their silent stare comes off as intimidating, but in reality, Senka is more impassive than volatile. An observer who prefers not to get involved with complicated problems, they follow orders with frightening efficiency and seemingly no thoughts of their own. However, they can be surprisingly patient with children and younger Creatures— especially those who can do the talking.

5'10. Dark skin, void-black hair, and piercing red eyes that glow with an unnatural light. Their exact appearance is difficult to precisely pin down— even their facial features fade from memory once you stop looking at them. Athletic, muscular body, sharp teeth, and a creeping darkness that follows their steps.

Eberhardt

Dire Boar, he/him.

His species was commonly hunted by humans throughout the Middle Ages— their strength and aggression made them a valuable trophy prize for the wealthy. Due to living in isolation, he has a highly outdated idea of how human society now functions.

Outwardly, Eberhardt comes across as a reserved, relatively polite man who speaks little and follows orders well. Though he's exceedingly loyal if he respects someone, most people are met with stony disdain. He has a strong dislike of certain humans (especially hunters) and a bad habit of getting a bit carried away when using his strength. His brutality is truly outstanding.

6'2. Impressive in both stature and build, with the aura of a battle-hardened knight. His hair is sandy brown, his one remaining eye is a deeper, warmer shade of the same, and he has a variety of prominent scars scattered across his face and body. Though he's technically rather handsome, his expressions are far too cold.

#Here There Be Monsters #Ichabod #Filch #Mithri #Senka #Eberhardt #Character Info

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n04hfiction · 10 months

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For your ship post!

Hiya! My name is Eve! I'm on the short side (4'11 to be exact lol), with brown hair and eyes. I love drawing, dogs, watching anime, listening to music, and Sanrio characters. I am also a barista and a dancer. I love pastels and dress pretty feminine. Most of the time, I just wear a huge hoodie and leggings and just call it a day, lol.

I hope this isn't confusing at all!

i ship you with dream!!

dream really gets along with your fellow barista co-workers, that’s how he met ya actually, he saw a cutie at a coffee shop and hit ‘em up xD

he also lovesss watching you dance and dance around the kitchen with you, he likes to swing ya around like old timey dances xD

he also loves to give you his hoodies, or he’ll just end up hiding them in the depths of your closet until you find them xD

also lowkey wants you to draw him, please do it, he’s desperate ;w;

he also makes fun of you for your small height, but he thinks it’s like the hottest thing ever lmfao

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everyurlithinkofistoolong · 2 years

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Hoaquin Arie: An Appropriately Unhinged Essay

Hoaquin was introduced as a character in season 2 of Tower of God: Hell Train arc. A short little white boy (4'11 to be exact) with big dreams and billions of people's blood on his hands, he's unabashedly cruel and seems to completely lack the ability to empathize with others. He's narcissistic, only really ever thinking of himself and how to further his own goals- as shown by his ever changing 'loyalties' throughout the comic. He truly stands with no one and only really seems to be in FUG for his own benefit rather than anything the organization believes in.

Hoaquin is completely aware of this and exhibits no shame in this regard, at least outwardly.

To understand Hoaquin, one must understand how SIU chooses to develop his character. He isn't a character that undergoes any change in worldview or perspective, he never redeems himself in any sort of way or has any redeeming qualities, and you can generally see what choices his character will make in any situation (basically what benefits him the most). So there is a very limited amount of things SIU can do with him, as he runs the risk of making Hoaquin boring and a one-note villain.

So what SIU does is reveal Hoaquin's backstory in intervals over the course of ~300 or so chapters, showing us bit by bit what Hoaquin used to be and how he ended up as he is. And it's not a conventional backstory in the least. There isn't some overwhelming trauma that breaks him, or someone (ie his father) who wronged him or soiled/corrupted him somehow. Hoaquin doesn't have an internal descent into darkness where he used to be pure but became wretched.

No. Hoaquin was always bad. But he wanted to be good.

An interesting moment we see before Hoaquin's first flashback is him absorbing his siblings again, thinking please don't forgive me father, I have always been a sinner (paraphrased). This is most likely referring to Hoaquin knowingly tricking his siblings into using them for the soul eating spell all along. He was horrible even before climbing the tower. This is a reoccurring theme with him.

In Hoaquin's first flashback, we see him as a young child chasing down his father. His father doesn't recognize him and asks him who he is. Hoaquin then tell him his name and his dream to surpass his him in swords skill. His father than takes him to the family shrine and tells him that the only way to surpass him is to leave 'this place' and become a demon.

This flashback is not what it seems. Take that and put it in your back pocket for now.

Now we are made to ruminate on this for a while before his next flashback. He has moments of character insight, albeit very brief and vague ones, because Hoaquin is a very closed off character. He's not likely to give others an opening into his vulnerable inner thoughts/emotions to any other character or the reader even. But we do have the moment of him talking to Beniamino (? or his brother probably honestly I don't remember) about the nature of weapons.

Beniamino/his brother are human weapons. Literally. However Hoaquin insults their preferred method of fighting (fists), because they're too emotional and dull. A sword, he contends, is sharp and emotionless. Distant. And an emotional dull weapon isn't useful to FUG.

Now on the surface of it, this is just Hoaquin talking shit. However, consider, again, what kind of person Hoaquin is taking to here. He's talking to a living breathing lab human engineered weapon. Arie's are not just swordsmen, they see their swords as an extension of themselves. Here (from the first flashback) his father is figuratively referring to himself/the family as a sword. He's not literally saying Hoaquin is going to be sacrificed, but if he should choose so, he could stay in the family and be his father's 'servant' aka becoming part of his 'sword'.

They often visualize themselves and each other as beautiful swords, as we see later, particularly Hoaquin. As in, he highly regards being unemotional, sharp, and lethal. Also put this in your back pocket as this is very important to my theory on why Hoaquin manifests 'White' in particular as he gets more powerful.

Another interesting moment in between flashbacks is in the Hidden Floor when hes fighting his Sworn Enemy.

It's a small moment, but important foreshadowing. His Sworn Enemy takes the form of a sword. You can see this as his ever lasting goal to becoming the strongest swordsman, but I would also like to add something else on top of that. It's important because a sword is how he visualizes his father and his unattainable love. More on this later.

Hoaquin finally merges with Albelda and forms White. For simplicities sake, I will continue to call him Hoaquin.

We get another flashback, this time he's still a child. He goes back to his father and tells him that's he's been thinking about what he's told him and that he's come to the conclusion he should become powerful and rule a kingdom fairly like his father does. His father dashes these hopes quickly:

Look at this framing. His father, in contrast as to the last flashback where he faced Hoaquin, is now standing on front of him, his back facing his son entirely. He never looks at Hoaquin throughout all of this. These are all old screenshots and I cropped out the bottom of the last panel unfortunately, but there’s supposed to be a (shocked) Hoaquin standing, dark evil looking tendrils exuding from his shadow.

This is placed at this point in the story because White is what grows from the 'seeds of a demon' that Hon (father) mentions here.

But this also shows what kind of father Hon is. He's... Blunt. And... Not really a father at all. At least not the type to care for his children's emotional well-being. One could say that he's just giving Hoaquin advice on how he could achieve his goal of massive power, but no good father would admit something like this to their child. Tell them that's they have evil potential and perhaps destined to be incinerated but it's what he's born for.

And even more interesting, Hon is aware of this. He knows Hoaquin will have an enormous amount of rage within him for his father. He probably knows this is because he cannot love Hoaquin and Hoaquin could never be as powerful as him.

Also, Hoaquin's first flashback is turned upon it's head here. No, Hon isn't telling Hoaquin to become a demon because something is particular evil about Hon himself, it's the evil he sees inside Hoaquin that prompted him to say that. This puts the other flashback into better perspective: his father was basically giving him the option, stay here and remind part of the family as his 'servant' or leave fulfill his destiny to become a demon outside of it.

Bookmark this as the beginning of Hoaquin's spiral. Also remember 'I always have been a sinner?' (paraphrased). His father saw it in him from the beginning and told him.

Now at the start of s3 we don't get much focus on Hoaquin. But there seems to be a slight switch in his attitude- he seems to have grown a particular fixation on Bam.

This is a common way SIU develops Hoaquin- contrasting him with other characters through projection. The same way as with Beniamino/his brother, earlier. This makes sense- Hoaquin is incredibly self centered and it seems the only way he ever takes interest in anyone else in a deeper level is only if he could make it about himself whether it's purposeful or not.

The first interesting moment is when he states to Evankhell that by training Bam she's creating a monster (paraphrased). This concept follows Hoaquin around a lot- corruption, turning into a monster, falling into sin. It may not be obvious at that point, but he was seeing something in Bam that reminded him of himself, or maybe he wanted to see something in Bam like himself.

It's important to remember at this point that both Bam and Arie Hon are irregulars.

This is also the case with the iconic whitehatz (<3) convo. Hatz and Hoaquin compliment each other as complete opposites in so many ways- yet very similar. They are both swordsmen. They both place extraneous value in being able to weild a sword. It's a core part of their identity. But while hatz falls more onto the Bushido code type of swordsman, Hoaquin falls on the other end, whatever that is.

Hatz calls him a murderer and that... Seems to get under Hoaquin's skin. We've seen Hoaquin get called everything under the sun, hell, hes the one who's often most cruel to himself verbally.

But honorable, honest Hatz (and perhaps even naive) says Hoaquin is not a swordsman but a murderer and Hoaquin snaps back that a sword is a tool for murder and Hatz should quit if he can't come to terms with that.

"... But in the end you're just a killer".

And I hate to say this again but hold on to this concept for a while, it will tie together in the end *shakes fist at SIU*. You will see.

A few other moments happen between then and the whitebam battle including interesting convos between him and Khun, him getting his ass beat by kallavan, etc. Honorable mentions. But let's skip on ahead to Hoaquin's final flashbacks.

But first, let's talk about this battle a bit:

Remember how I said that Hoaquin is only able to relate to other characters using projection and that's a part of how SIU chooses to develop him?

"I don't team up with anyone. I either make them surrender or devour them. Some have thought of me as a leader and followed me... But I'm actually a predator by nature... So no one has ever stayed by my side until the end."

All of this started because the Hoaquin's siblings were under the impression that he was working with them, particularly Vincinte. Hoaquin is basically saying here that not only that he chooses too be a lone wolf, but he cannot help but to be one.

"so you’re basically just an experiment that those with an inferiority complex made to comfort themselves. Almost every single one of the guys like you I've run into before has been a failed experiment."

Funny choice of words there Hoaquin. I sure hope that exact phrase doesn't pop up again later in reference to you.

The laws of the tower is a heavy topic in this scene. Yorayo insists that being a mix of human and nonhuman gives him the ability to break the towers laws, namely the one against blocking an Arie's sword. Hoaquin then proves him wrong.

And then tries... to comfort him strangely ("you get an E for effort!"- not what he said but basically it). Yorayo even himself questions it, wondering if Hoaquin was trying to deceive him. But... maybe Hoaquin was trying to deceive himself.

He's one his way at the moment to fight Bam. An irregular. He wants to kill his father. An irregular. He wants to believe that the laws of the tower can be broken, just a bit.

Moving on, we get to the Whitebam- Aria battles. This is going to be a bit out of order because it's going to slightly be a stream of consciousness but here we go:

Aria explicitly comments that Hoaquin had the same look as commander Librock- an inferiority complex! Again, it's most likely possible that Hoaquin's quotes from his Yorayo battle had a double meaning; he was also referring to himself as an experiment. But rather some someone else creating him, he's conducting it on himself.

Hoaquin (violently) notes that Bam’s eyes very much remind him of his father's. Similarly, in a flashback Hoaquin comments sadly to his teacher that his father's eyes have become "cold"- going as far to compare it to being drenched in ice water. Clearly Hoaquin is distraught about this, wondering if he's simply not doing well enough and if his father is disappointed in him.

The teacher corrects him, stating that Hon has never "changed" and that to a beings like them are both simply insignificant insects. Maybe Hoaquin is the one who has changed, he suggests. This seemingly breaks something in Hoaquin, his "change" shown as a reference to him casting the soul eating spell. The scene ends with Hoaquin killing his teacher, this panel confirming that this is the start of "White":

Think of the first flashback we saw before this one: His father telling him that he sees the seeds of a demon within him. Telling him to feast on the souls of the weak, and that's what he was born for.

But Hoaquin doesn't come to hate his father after that, yet. It is only now, that when it's confirmed to him that even after he's done what his father had advised him to do, his father still does not care for him. And what he's left with is a dark fate, blood on his hands, and nothing to show for it.

In that moment he becomes "White", a sword cast against his father in rage and vengeance.

- and, again, Bam's eyes remind him of his own father's- the unattainability of his recognition, and more importantly his father's status as an incredibly powerful irregular similar to Bam that Hoaquin could never measure up to.

Perhaps this is why Hoaquin also seeks to "corrupt" Bam in these scenes, to his own detriment. He wants to bring Bam down to his level, this all powerful irregular who can attain massive power without getting blood on his hands (or sword- more on this later).

(This of course is a complete misunderstanding of Bam on Hoaquin's part. Bam's whole arc this season is about coming to terms with accepting that he can't protect everyone and that people will die for him and because of him. He accepts this responsibility.)

It looks like to me that Hoaquin is trying to justify his own existence through Bam's corruption. And it's not simply just Hoaquin's choices, but according to him, the very circumstances of his birth. Hoaquin states various times that he believes he was born evil, disgusting, corrupt, etc., especially around this arc. That he was destined to wear a crown of blood on his head. Very similarly to how his father told him explicitly that this is what he was "born for".

If Bam, someone who could attain massive power w/o sacrifice, someone born special and seemingly surrounded by people who grow attached to him naturally, someone like Hon, falls like Hoaquin has- well, then can you blame Hoaquin for being so inherently evil?

Yes, you can of course, but I talking about Hoaquin's possible thought process here obviously- in my opinion, born out of insecurity.

But also, if there's a way for Bam to fall- then there must be a way for Hoaquin to go back up.

And Hoaquin greatly desires this. He screams this to Bam- that he wants to eat Bam's soul to gain the power to go up to where his father is "beyond darkness to where the light is". In his last flashback, he speaks to Vincinte about how every Arie desires to forge a sword that does not get stained with blood like Hon's, aka to attain great power without major sacrifice as irregulars are able to do. Hoaquin's sword is already drenched in blood, but he would like to attain massive power like his father's anyways. He has no choice, Hoaquin is a "natural predator" and someone born to eat the souls of the weak- it is his destiny, again, what he was "born for".

What he tells to Bam as he gets ready to kill him

"There was a demanding thirst no matter how much power I devoured from others. But once I take your power I will no longer suffer from it. I will be able to escape this torment of endless emptiness."

"You are my last corruption."

And this is what I mean when I say Hoaquin desires to be good, but has always been bad all along. He puts on an air of comfort in his depravity while acting uncharacteristically during his fight with Bam- initiating physical contact (that he had before put down as "too emotional") amongst all of it- because Bam's very nature gets under his skin. There is a certain level of self hatred, ironically, that shines through here.

Which makes sense. It's often the most narcissistic people who are a compensating for deep insecurities.

This is why, despite criticisms of how Hoaquin was defeated, it's pivotal that is was Khun and Rak who aided Bam in defeating him. They are Bam's family, his best friends. People who stood by his side for so long, while Hoaquin was saying matter of factly just a few chapters ago that everyone eventually leaves his side because of how he is.

It's thematic okay?

Now, let's go back a bit to Hoaquin's second to last flashback. He is approaching his father's sword and the shinsoo around said sword let's him have it. Basically says that Hoaquin is impatient, a sinner, and will be cursed to a bajillion years of thirst for unattainable power. Hoaquin thinks that he doesn't care that he is a sinner anymore and has been cursed with a thirst for power since he was born, as he references to Bam, an endless emptiness.

He is more so bothered by the fact that the sword does not speak to him. To go back to it briefly, this was foreshadowed in The Hidden Floor- Hoaquin's Sworn Enemy could very well be representative of this sword. The sword is meant to represent his father, not caring nor noticing the fact that his son is doing these things. Nothing Hoaquin does garners his attention at all, even war crimes.

The shinsoo however... what could that possibly represent, if it's meant to represent anything? Judging from the flashback right after this one, when he is speaking to Vincinte on good terms- Hoaquin hasn't cast the soul eating spell yet and has not started to kill people for power. So what could this symbolize as who would know about Hoaquin's plan to trick his siblings... Other than Hoaquin himself?

The shinsoo could very well be Hoaquin's conscience... Or it could just be really mean air that regularly talks shit to Hon's children, who knows? Given the sheer amount of symbolism and metaphor in Hoaquin's character on its own, I would not be surprised if the shinsoo is meant to project the guilt/insecurities/shame of the person who dares approach the beauty of Hon's stainless sword.

As promised, with this added information I also want to revisit Hoaquin's moment with Hatz. As we all know, Hatz is nobody special (he is tho, in my heart :( ). He's not a member of one of the ten families, he's not an irregular, etc. He's just a dude with amazing sword skills and some badass swords.

So it is no wonder that Hoaquin frankly seemed offended at the idea that Hatz made the distinction between swordsman and murderer. Because, frankly, in order to grow more powerful at swordsmanship, you do need to get better at killing. The only person who has managed to keep a 'clean' sword, whom Aries aspire to, is Hon. Hoaquin says it himself to Vincinte, that he is unsure if his way of attaining power is the way his father had done it.

So who is Hatz, this little punk, to be all holier than thou on the subject? That, plus, do we remember another kid who wanted to be as good as Hon and gain power the way Hon had? A naive little kid who needed to be told to become a killer? Could it be that in that moment Hatz might have reminded Hoaquin of his own childhood delusion, torn to shreds by his father- so Hoaquin did the same thing his father did, in a paralleled position- completely faced away from Hatz, never looking back?

Whew. Anyways.

Let's talk about "White" as a manifestation.

What is "White"? Obviously White is Hoaquin. They have the same memories and motivations. Some may say that they're personalities are different, but you could also say that "White" is just mature Hoaquin. But, in my opinion, "White" is Hoaquin turning himself into a sword, metaphorically- and perhaps literally, I mean did you see what Hoaquin turned himself into right before he got blasted by Rak? Khun even brings attention to this form, thinking "what on earth is that?"

Bam even calls him a sword in the chapter before

"he's [White] never going to let go of the sword, since he is the sword itself."

Let's break it down-

- As promised, let's return to Hoaquin's convo with Beniamino/or his brother. Hoaquin, speaking to a human weapon, puts down "emotional" fists over unemotional and lethal swords. He maintains that one is only a useful weapon if they are that way. Again, Hoaquin projects frequently and look at who he is talking to.

- As Hoaquin gains more power and evolves, he becomes more psychopathic and sharp. He is becoming more unemotional and cold. He is becoming the lethal weapon he lectured to Beniamino/his brother about the more people he cuts down.

- White is the color of Arie Hon's pure stainless sword (well, all Arie swords to be exact). Hoaquin calls himself "White" for a reason, to imply the purity of this perfect sword. And guess what happens as Hoaquin gets more powerful. He drapes more red over himself. More and more blood is getting on the weapon he has turned himself into. In direct contrast to his father's sword that is never bloodied.

In my opinion, "White" is not a person per se, but a personification of the stained sword Hoaquin wants to become to kill his father. I mean, Hoaquin's first words after forming "White" is a promise to slice his father into pieces. Who know he meant that super literally? As like. He would be the sword itself?

Now lets talk about Vincinte- poor Vincinte... Haha... unless?

In Hoaquin's last flashback, he notes that Vincinte understood the spell long before he had. It took me a bit of time to understand what he was referencing but it was literally right there on front of my face. What had Vincinte wanted all along since the beginning? And what was the flashback showing us?

He wanted to work as a team.

He reiterates this in the flashback as he comforts Hoaquin's uncertainty. Little did he know, that Hoaquin all along was planning on betraying him because well... He can't work as a team. SIU literally has him spell it out. He's a predator, he will either devour or make them submit. By Hoaquin's very nature he is inadequate for this. And he supposedly has comes to terms with this, while desiring an escape from it.

He realizes this at the end when he's defeated by Bam + Co. All that he had done, power built up for hundreds of not thousands of years. Gone. Again. Literally defeated by the power of friendship. And so he runs away and he allows Vincinte to take the reigns. Because Vincinte always understood how to go about their goal. He's patient, ambitious but not bloodthirsty. Willing to work with others. Everything that Hoaquin isn't.

People often forget that Hoaquin is the "center" of the spell, as stated in the Hell Train. No matter what, since he is the one who made the deal with the demon and said demon still is "within him", he will always be the one in charge. That is unless, of course, he's willingly letting someone else take the reigns. As he does.

He is willingly letting this happen. He has run away to allow Vincinte to do as he sees fit because everything he has done up until now has failed spectacularly.

This leads into my last subject (god bless): Hoaquin's demon.

Where did it come from? Why did it come in Hoaquin's sleep? Why is it only in Hoaquin?

I think it's interesting that so many times Hoaquin has mentioned feeling this "thirst" for power from birth and here’s this demon giving him a spell that will allow him to literally consume souls as a power source.

Honestly it think the emphasis, especially in the last arc, of Hoaquin being born evil is really interesting. Has this demon always been inside of him from birth? Hoaquin says in the Hell Train that it is still inside of him now.

What does this demon achieve from this arrangement? Does it actively want to see Hon's downfall? Why? And if so, why would Hoaquin even be an option?

I'm not sure what this all means. Maybe nothing, but I remember when people would make comparisons of Bam's blue demon inside him to the visual of Hoaquin's demon. They do look somewhat similar, although that could mean nothing.

Anyway, I digress. I just wanted to put that little crack theory out there. SIU is keeping Hoaquin around for something, not quite sure what it is.

In conclusion, there are the main characteristics with Hoaquin that intersect to make the absolute batshit insane person he is

- his desire to be notes and acknowledged by his father and how nothing he does garners his attention, leading him to feeling as if he has no choice but to kill him as Hoaquin already has a fate that would lead to such a future ("use your rage towards me as fuel").

- his "thirst" for power from birth. How he was born a sinner and a predator. Described by himself as an "endless emptiness" as he is never satisfied. The life that Jinsung warned Bam against, destroying yourself and those around you by making yourself a weapon.

- handy dandy demon that happens to give Hoaquin a spell that thematically compliments the way he describes the manifestation of his "sin" ("thirst") and it never mentioned again *shakes fist at SIU*.

- the idea that Hoaquin desires to be as good as his father but will never achieve that due to the laws of the tower and his own nature.

#no editing we die like men #tower of god #hoaquin arie #tog white

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