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dilfaeneas · 2 days

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Continuing on my water journey with a Patroclus and Achillies drawing

#tagamemnon #greek mythology #classics #ancient greek mythology #greek heroes #trojan war #the iliad #achillies x patroclus #achillies #patrochilles #patroklos #patroclus #i am blue green colourblind but tutorials say to use green so i think i have

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greekmythcomix · 10 months

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To explain my chicken obsession:

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Me: I’m enjoying drawing chickens for this commission.

Husband: ha ha Greek Myth Chickens!

Me: 🤔

I now present to you,

🏺Greek Myth Chickens 🐓

ILIAD EDITION

(drawn and originally posted in May 2021, coloured and reposted Jan 2023)

1) Egg-chilles and Patro-cluck (Achilles and Patroclus)

2) Mene-lay-us and Al-eggs-andros (Paris) (Menelaus and Alexandros [Paris])

3) Egg-amemnon (Agamemnon)

4) Aph-roost-ite and Helen of Spur-ta (Aphrodite and Helen of Sparta)

5) Nest-or (Nestor)

6) Androma-beak, Peck-tor, and Astyan-egg (Andromache, Hektor and Astyanax)

7) At-hen-a and Egg-dysseus (Athena and Odysseus)

8) Preen-am and Peck-uba (Priam and Hekuba [Hekabe])

9) Brood-seis (Briseis)

10) Diom-egg-es (Diomedes)

EDIT: Greek Myth and Roman History chicken MASTERPOST - https://www.tumblr.com/greekmythcomix/725538723329179648/greek-myth-roman-history-chickens-master-post Here Be More Chickens Cosplaying

(See next post for last 3 Iliad chickens- https://www.tumblr.com/greekmythcomix/722218945873051648/iliad-chickens-continued-11-lay-jax-tel-capon )

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doob-or-something · 1 month

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Something I find makes the life and death of Achilles far more tragic is the fact that all he is is the Trojan War. His parents’ wedding begins the conflict, and he dies before the end of the war. His entire life was spent in something he had no control over. Did he know Helen? Paris? Hektor? The Trojans became his enemies only when he reached the beaches of Troy.

Hell, if we go by the Achilleid, Achilles didn’t even know what the war was about until he was sailing to Troy. A young boy whose birth produced an unjust prophecy that dictated the rest of his life: Live long and die in obscurity, or die in war and live in the minds of the people forever. No greek man of his time could bear to die in obscurity, but it was especially impossible for Achilles to do so. His father Peleus, a legendary Argonaut whose adventures would be remembered for millenia, his mother Thetis, a towering goddess raised by the queen of the gods herself.

Their child had to be known.

At Aulis the greeks call for Achilles, a legend before he even steps into the battlefield, and he is forced to go to war. And he fights, he kills, he ravages the city of Troy. A boy who has never even seen a battle in his life, living in peaceful Pthia and later protected by mighty Chiron in Thessally, becomes a machine specifically created for one purpose: To destroy Troy.

This is the reason why Achilles refuses to fight after the taking of Briseis. Unlike Agamemnon, who lived before the Trojan War, who had a wife and family before the Trojan War, who will leave Troy. Or Odysseus who will tell his tales to his son and wife after 20 years away. Or Menelaus who after years regains his family and rules Sparta in peace. Achilles has no life, no future, he IS Troy, more than even Hektor, Paris, and Priam are. Thus, when his honor is threatened, everything he has ever lived for has been taken away from him. Realize that before the taking of Briseis, Agamemnon mentioned takingthe “bride prizes” from the other greek kings and despite this not going anywhere none of them attempted to argue. Would Odysseus attempt to kill Agamemnon if his bride prize were taken? Would Diomedes or Greater Ajax?

And yet, after Achilles lives his entire life for war. After he struggles and suffers so much at the face of adversity. At the loss of his everything, Patroklos. At the slight to his honor. He spends the rest of eternity regretting everything he had ever done. Perhaps it is a mercy to Achilles that shades forget their life on earth

#the iliad #iliad #doob #greek mythology #homeric epics #achilles #achilleid #diomedes #greater ajax #ajax #agamemnon #tagamemnon #odysseus #ramblings #patroklos #patroclus #patrochilles

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henry-fox-biggest-stan · 7 months

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Listen I know this character is doomed by the narrative. I know their death is the most satisfying (even if painful) ending for their character. I know they were meant to die since the start. I know than the things than led to their death are incredibly relevant to the story and can’t be stopped, and I know than the things than happened after they died, because they died, are the whole point of the story. I know their death was a turning point for the whole story. I know the story would not be nearly as good without this character’s death. I know the impact their death had on other characters, or what it meant on their own character journey, is what changes the story. I know the symbolism their death had, and I know than it wouldn’t have been able to be portrayed on a different way than someone dying. I know there were clues to this character dying since the start, and I know there was no other ending for them.

However what if they lived a happy long life, huh?

#neil perry #jackie taylor #patroklos #javi martinez #bianca di angelo #jason grace #every yellowjackets character tbh #yellowjackets #the iliad #pjo #anderperry #jackieshauna #primrose everdeen #rue hunger games #hoo #dps

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h0bg0blin-meat · 2 months

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Achilles: See I'm straight but if there was a man I would marry it'd be Patroclus.

Briseis: How do you feel about that, Pat?

Patroclus:

Patroclus: It's not helping with the rumors.

Briseis: I think the kiss you guys shared in my tent isn't helping with the rumors.

Achilles: Yeah I just hate that he didn't give me enough tongue.

#mythology memes #incorrect quotes #incorrect mythology #incorrect mythology quotes #greek mythology #incorrect greek mythology #incorrect iliad #the iliad #iliad #homers iliad #homer's iliad #achilles #patroclus #achilles x patroclus #briseis #patroklos

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callisteios · 2 years

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I made a uquiz assigning you kin with an epic Greek hero

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cvmcicle · 8 months

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pose/anatomy practice (question mark?)

+ school drawing bleh

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orchestrated-haunting · 6 months

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the most dangerous thing is to love

#tagamemnon #the illiad #achilles #patroklos #patroclus #patrochilles #orchestrated art #i fucking love gay people

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thisisnottherealryannross · 6 months

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simon running to johnnys dead body instead of the bombs like gaz and price is one step away from achilles sobbing against patroclus’ dead body

#simon ghost riley #johnny soap mactavish #achilleus #patroklos #call of duty modern warfare 3 #call of duty #soapghost #ghoap #the iliad

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creepyobsessionss · 7 months

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achilles is so golden retriever coded and patroclus simply gives off black cat vibes. in tsoa, achilles is shown to be more extroverted and outgoing while patroclus barely hangs out with the others and likes to be alone sometimes. <333

#the song of achilles #patroclus and achilles #achilles #patrochilles #patroclus #patroklos

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dilfaeneas · 3 months

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You'll forget the sun in his jealous sky

#tagamemnon #greek mythology #classics #ancient greek mythology #greek heroes #the iliad #trojan war #achillies x patroclus #achillies #patrochilles #patroklos #patroclus #lgbt greek mythology #lgbt

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jemthefairyofsun · 1 year

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reading 'the song of achilles' by madeline miller rn - patroklos & achilles remind me of berthold & reiner, ngl 🖤

#aot #attack on titan #snk #shingeki no kyoujin #bertholdt hoover #reiner braun #bertolt hoover #reibert #reiner braun x bertolt hoover #patroklos #achilles #patroklos x achilles #achilles x patroclus #the song of achilles

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doob-or-something · 1 month

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Patroklos looked quite lonely so I just HAD to add Achilles

#art #artists on tumblr #doob #drawing #greek mythology #homeric epics #iliad #patroklos #patroclus #achilles #the song of achilles #trojan war #boy they sure look happy I sure HOPE nothing separates them #gay #queer

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henry-fox-biggest-stan · 4 months

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Thinking about Achilles again. How he's never black or white.

How he has man-slaying hands and hands that play the lyre, how he's the best warrior (and often seen as the epitome of masculinity) and how he stayed on Skyros dressed as a woman, and he was feminine enough that people believed he was a woman, how he's a blood-thirsty warrior who spent most of the iliad without fighting, by choice, how he's part mortal but also part god, how in the version of the myth where he's dipped in the Styx, he ends up invulnerable, except for his heel, how he started the war as a child, ended it as an adult, and still behaves like a child during the iliad, how he doesn't care about anyone (letting the Achaean warriors die without feeling remorse for an argument he had with Agamemnon) while loving incredibly strongly (avenging Patroklos' death to the extreme), how he makes fun of Patroklos for crying while spending most of the iliad crying himself, how he's feared by Trojans for being ruthless and still, still tried to save Iphigenia so long ago.

He's never full anything, never full mortal, never full god, never fully invencible, never fully masculine, never fully feminine, never fully emotionless, never fully emotional, never fully mature, never fully immature, never fully ruthless, never fully merciful.

He's a combination of greys, never a full black or a full white.

#i hate him soo much i wanna see him spin inside a washing machine #go round and round in circles #achilles #tagamemnon #the iliad #patroklos #trojan war

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jeannereames · 1 month

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Do you think Alexander and Hephaistion are similar to Achilles and Patroclus? I know that the comparison was later exaggerated and that we can't be sure of the Hephaistion-Patroclus comparison, but Alexander sometimes compared himself to Achilles so perhaps he once compared Hephaistion to Patroclus. My point is that I think that if the comparison was exaggerated it was for the reason that they look alike, I have even seen several people say that they are similar to each other or that Alexander and Hephaistion reminded them of Achilles and Patroclus, so I wanted to know your opinion on whether you think they look alike or not.

I'm not asking about the historical basis of this comparison, I'm asking about whether Alexander and Hephaistion are similar to Achilles and Patroclus, thank you so much :)

Are Alexander and Hephaistion similar to Achilles and Patroklos?

NO.

And for one very important reason. Achilles and Patroklos are fictional characters, Alexander and Hephaistion were real people.

As for whether they looked alike...we have no idea. Period. Full stop.

Yes, I know that will probably annoy, and possibly even alienate the asker, but it’s uber-important.

Achilles and (even more) Patroklos are 2-dimensional in Homer because he needed them as symbols. Patroklos has ONE primary purpose: to die. Plus a secondary purpose as the voice of compassion in contrast to hard-hearted Achilles.

Stop thinking of Madeline Miller, The Song of Achilles, and “Patrochilles.”

Reducing Alexander and Hephaistion to Achilles and Patroklos not only oversimplifies Alexander but completely erases Hephaistion and his very real capabilities as a commander and diplomat. He becomes just “the boyfriend.” I HATE THAT.

Other than the apparent devotion between Alexander and Hephaistion, comparisons end there. Remember, Patroklos had ONE job in the Iliad…to die. And to do so 1) forgetting he’s not Achilles (hubris), but 2) heroically, earning him glory (kleos). His death sets up Achilles’s descent into inhumanity, dragging the body of his worthy opponent Hektor behind his chariot. That is low, folks. Really, really low. He’s redeemed at the end as he and Priam share grief (a human emotion from the Greek point-of-view).

Hephaistion was not a character with a plot purpose. He was a real human being.

And he did not die in battle presenting himself as Alexander. He died of an infectious disease, possibly typhoid, and possibly aggravated by not following his physician-prescribed diet.

When Alexander visited Troy at the outset of his campaign, he made a lot of symbolic gestures that recalled Homer. Only one was to sacrifice at the tomb of Achilles, while maybe Hephaistion sacrificed at Patroklos’s. Both of which were not real graves because Achilles and Patroklos were not real people. Yet in the ancient world, even if/when the ancients questioned the gods as described in myth, they rarely/never questioned the heroes. For more on this, check out Paul Veyne’s Did the Greeks Believe in Their Myths?

But again, Alexander made numerous symbolic gestures when he landed at Troy. He was trying to frame his campaign in an epic tradition dating back to Homer. If he’s the New Achilles, he needed a New Patroklos. It was marketing.

We get NO other such comparison in our sources until Hephaistion died. Then Alexander aped Achilles’s mourning much like modern bereaved use the Bible or poetry to express the deep pain they’re feeling. Certainly, during their lives, they were NOT thinking that Hephaistion would predecease Alexander! It’s only after he did that these comparisons were made…and it’s more general than specific. Again, Hephaistion didn’t die in combat or while pretending to be Alexander.

So while I know the asker wanted me to compare them in themselves, that’s literally impossible. Like comparing apples to oranges. Fictional people to real people.

Alexander and Hephaistion were not big Patrochilles’ fans. I’m sorry to burst that romantic bubble, but I prefer to think of Hephaistion as more than just Alexander’s boyfriend and destined to die. He was one of Alexander’s leading commanders, and chiliarch at his death.

Let’s let him be that, okay?

(Sorry that all this probably reads snarky, but it’s something I feel rather strongly about. I hate seeing Hephaistion reduced to Alexander’s sidekick and romantic love-interest. He was much, much more.)

#asks #Patrochilles #Alexander the Great #Hephaistion #Hephaestion #Madeline Miller #The Song of Achilles #alexander x hephaestion #alexander x hephaistion #Classics #Homer #Achilles #Patroklos #Patroclus

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ariscruncho · 2 months

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...You're wallowing away somewhere, the same as I, but where...? And why not here?

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