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chirpsythismorning · 1 year

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What do you think about the possibility of El and Will not being exactly twins but half siblings? Maybe Lonnie was in the MK Ultra project for money and had an affair with Terry Ivis, so El was born. His sperm was affected, and Lonnie had another child with Joyce, who was born with repressed/hidden powers (I'm considering Jonathan was already born when Lonnie's balls were chernobyl'd). Then Lonnie took Will to the Lab a feel times for test, but they concluded he was born powerless, because he appeared to be a normal kid.

Upon coming across twelvegate, I did initially go down this rabbit hole! I made a shit-post about the possibility of Lonnie being both Will and El's dad, but more recently I've expanded on that evidence in an ask, discussing why I basically don't think that is the case anymore.

The main thing that makes me so confident about this, is that I'm certain Terry isn't El's 'mama'. Like pretty much 100% certain.

There are a few posts where I discuss this (here, here, here) so definitely check those out if you want a deep dive to better understand where I'm coming from with that claim.

To be fair, I did not subscribe to this up until recently. It was as if my brain blocked me from even merely considering the possibility that Terry isn’t El's mom because of how tragic her whole situation was. And so it felt almost insensitive to even speculate, I guess?

But as of now, after actually going back and watching her scenes for myself, as well as flashbacks featuring her that resurface in future seasons, I think that if anything Lonnie is a roadblock to the truth, in the same sense that Terry is. Because the evidence that Terry isn't El's mom is too alarming to ignore. Like, once you see it, it becomes very obvious they've always been trying to hint this to us, as subtly as possible, and they did it successfully bc it went over everyone's heads.

And so since Terry isn't El's mom, and there are certain details tying Terry to having some sort of connection to Brenner (ie Papa/Mama, Bonsai trees, Hopper's line about Terry's 'relationship' with Brenner), then it's very likely that, in the original timeline/universe or whatever we want to call it, Terry could have worked closely with the lab in some capacity, though ended up supporting Joyce’s claims over allegations about the lab and experimentation, ie. the article at the end of s1 including Joyce/Terry's testimonies. And so she was basically a confidant to them who went against the lab and was lobotomized for it and placed in a scenario that blocked out the truth very conveniently for them, while also essentially punishing her.

And when it comes to Lonnie... That is where it gets very complicated. Because I think it's likely that in the OG timeline, Lonnie was not the greatest guy. I think there was a lot of scary subtext surrounding him harming Will in s1 and it's possible that this dude has been given the role of their father in this timeline, which in the original timeline he is not. He's essentially Stranger Things' very own Biff.

This does make me very intrigued about what is going to be revealed in 'The First Shadow' play coming soon. We're said to get the backstory for not only Joyce and Hopper but also Lonnie and Bob (and Henry) apparently, so that is making for some interesting potential Back to the Future parallels from Marty’s parents’ 1955 timeline vs Willel’s parents’ 1959 timeline. Also the synopsis being young Joyce Maldonado and Jim Hopper dealing with the shadows of the past...

Arguably, it is crunch time. We're approaching the final season and this is a revelation that a lot of the audience are probably not going to be ready for, despite a lot of the hints in the details. I presume they wont have much time in s5 to rehash the mysteries of the past, beyond glossing it over, and so this was honestly a perfect way for them to go back and give context for what is to come in a really unique way that is canon, but without having to cram too much into s5 like they had to for s4.

I do think that Lonnie is very likely to return in s5. Though he referred to Hawkins at its most tame as a hell hole, so idk if he would be running back there during an apocalypse, seeing as everyone else seems to be trying to get out ASAP. It is possible though, and yet I just really don't think his arc is about this series long secret that he is both El and Will's father. If anything I think the revelation is much darker in relation to what truly happened to him and El, possibly in relation to the lab, as he could indeed have been an MKUltra volunteer like you said. It could also help to go read up on some of the cases/allegations put against MKUltra back in the day bc, though it is quite disturbing in parts, it could very well hold the answer to at least some secrets seeing as this is partially based on a real life program that did exist back in the day.

If Lonnie was their dad, I think he would have been a lot more prioritized in the overall story over the seasons, and yet they kind of introduced him in s1 with only a couple references to him in passing since then. If anything it's giving we do not want to give this character too much acknowledgement in the story.

I think a return for him would perhaps look like the storys way of revealing to us that he is not actually their father. Either via flashbacks to the og timeline or perhaps vecna visions at a point when we’re still assuming this is Will’s dad. I do think he very likely is connected to the darker secrets behind what really happened though, related to Will and El's original disappearances, leading up to them in the lab presumably.

I won't claim to understand the memory/time-loop nonsense, because I think that it could also have a lot to do with Will's powers related to time and therefore probability perhaps, which ties really well into the whole X-Men 134 reference. And yet, obviously, I feel like it's too much to try to be certain about which angle go at it, despite having a lot of the pieces to perhaps figure it out? Bc we can guess all day what Will's powers will look like, but we still don't really know for certain? And so going too far beyond that feels like too much guessing to me.

I will say that what makes me even more confident about this theory, even more than the Terry evidence, is just the heaps of evidence connecting Will and El from the very beginning, and how that also connects to Joyce and Hopper more often than not.

If you're open to looking at evidence related to the whole Joyce + Hopper = Willel twins + Jon ? gate (?), or even just how byler also fits into this, bc tbh a lot of the evidence connects, these are a few posts below that might peak your interest. And this isn’t even all of it.

This is the MAIN one so if you read any of them, read this (first and foremost)

Twelvegate Evidence going back to s1 and oh so many unanswered questions

Twelvegate Evidence going back to s1 + Willel Twins

Deer Imagery following The Hoppers/Byers Family

David Harbour cryptically changing his IG pfp to twins, multiple times before S4 dropped:

The fact that Star Wars' big plot twist was that Luke/Leia were twins... That the Duffers are twins... That Noah Schnapp is a twin... 'IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT (MIKE), THEY'RE IDENTICAL'...

El: Me? I'm twice as happy now *cut camera to estranged twin Will opening van door for him and El*

The Wright Bros

Parallels between El being confronted, with Will standing by frozen

"She missed her dad. We all do."

El and Will reuniting at Nina and the remaining timestamp is 12:00

"Mom!"

I will alway say that I am subject to be wrong. The only thing I'm very confident about now is that Terry isn't El's mom, and it just so happens that everything else sort of falls into place after that.

#byler #stranger things #twelvegate #willel twins #willel wondertwins #willel literal twins #joyce + hopper = willel twins + job #say it with me #lonnie is the biff of stranger things #hopper is the george mcfly #hopper starting the series on his couch with a focus on his pony tail bracelet and his wrist watch was a nod to will and el #along with the references to keys consistently connecting hopper and joyce being willel #its all connected #also if will is jesus #hopper is god?#i mean he is very much giving resurrection arc a lot...#also dont even get me started about how a lot of the side characters give off npc energy #constantly interrupting the characters before they're close to figuring shit out #it's weird #I do think that it's very likely Henry knows something about what the lab did not only to him but will and el #and perhaps he is not totally wrong for wanting justice bc the world is a disgusting place and he's giving will and el an out to join him #away from this horrible world #it really depends on how far they want to go and how dark #i do think that it could get very very dark #but the good news is that the really painful tragic events that are going to be unveiled #are going to make the happy ending that much more gratifying #like imagine having a whole fluff fic ending with a happy ending #like cool but honestly where is the build up and earning of that happy ending #you cant know joy unless you've known sorrow #shits gonna get real

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scificrows · 9 months

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“I was having an emotion, and I hate that. I’d rather have nice safe emotions about shows on the entertainment media; having them about things real-life humans said and did just led to stupid decisions.” ― Martha Wells, Exit Strategy

Title sequence designs inspired by the real-life shows Martha Wells based Murderbot's favorite shows on.

#the murderbot diaries #murderbot #sanctuary moon #world hoppers #murderbot diaries #hi i spent way too much time putting these together #when i actually just wanted a tiny version of the sanctuary moon one for something else i'm working on #thank you @the-yearning-astronaut for asking for the world hoppers one assdfsjdjsd #i DID have a lot of fun making these #the shows are how to get away with murder (-> sanctuary moon); legends of tomorrow (-> timestream defenders orion)#and stargate atlantis (-> world hoppers)#i watched the first 5 minutes of the first episode of every stargate atlantis season to see which title sequence i liked best #and GOD why don't shows have openings like that anymore??? stargate atlantis looks SO stupid and fun #i might just watch it #(please don't look too closely at them they are a bit messy lol)#𓄿

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luthiery · 2 years

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summer interior, edward hopper // girls against god, florence + the machine

[ID: An oil painting of a woman resting on the floor beside a bed with sunlight streaming in through a window beside her. The painting is in shades of pale yellow, green, blue, orange, and dark red. The lyrics “When I decided to wage holy war, / it looked very much / like staring at my bedroom floor” have been placed on top in white in all caps. The first part of the lyrics are curved around the end of the bed and the second part of the lyrics are angled along where the wall and floor meet. /end ID.] ID by @britomart

#ive seen another one of these with a different painting but this painting was so perfect for these lyrics #florence + the machine #florence and the machine #edward hopper #lyrics edit #dance fever #girls against god #web weaving #text #girl help i cannot stop putting lyrics onto images

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cannibalismyuri · 1 year

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noah and millie pics that Exude willel (ft. others too !) energy gotta be one of my favorite genres fr part 2 <3

#they are such precious little guys they don't deserve the horrors #willel #will byers #el hopper #byler #<- god knows y'all need some positivity #stranger things (sara's version)#they mean so much 2 me. i know they're the chaotic siblinsg duo in my heart of hearts

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lvmity · 2 years

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willel: best twins!! ✨

[ID: digital art of Will Byers and El Hopper from Stranger Things 4. El is hugging Will from behind. His arms are crossed and he leans in to her, both of them smiling. Will is wearing a yellow button up, rings, and jeans with two sunflowers painted by the pocket. El has long hair, and wears a purple shirt over a beige long sleeved one, with cream pants that have two pink flowers with leaves painted in the same place as on Will's. The drawing has a warm undertone and the background is orange. /end ID] (ID by @peachygos)

#willel #(please no shipping thank u.)#stranger things fanart #stranger things 4 #will byers #el hopper #byers family #what else do i tag.#fabis stuff #fabis art #that's it #hope people like this because it's like one of my favorite drawings ever #i love themmmm #they are bffs #made this in like 4 hours god bles #brainrot #stranger things

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demobatman · 2 years

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stranger things as text posts pt. 2 for ur viewing pleasure

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flame-shadow · 3 months

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February's zine! Each scene is a 4-page spread making up a 16-page booklet. Originally, I was just going to draw one bug per page, but I got more than 16 bugs, and I am fond of making scenes and telling stories anyway, so that's what I went with. :)

Bonus flat view of the zine below the cut

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musicalchaos07 · 1 year

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Very important question:

If Hopper calls El kid and he calls Will buddy, what is Jonathan's fun nickname going to be?

#imagine Hopper calling Jonathan Sport #or champ #Oh god even better scamp #SLUGGER #The possibilities are endless #I'm dead #but seriously what's his adopted dad name #we gotta brainstorm #stranger things #hopper-byers family #Jim Hopper #Jonathan Byers

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notcharliw · 1 year

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guys i just woke up in cold sweat cause my brain yelled at me this must be made

legit here's my 1 am draft as proof

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henrysglock · 11 months

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I, personally, never got over this one

#[face in hands] god #henry creel #el hopper #will byers #st parallels #stranger things

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artiststarme · 22 days

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The Gift of Not Dying Part 14

Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Part 9 Part 10 Part 11 Part 12 Part 13

It's been awhile but hopefully this will get me back in the groove of things. I hope you like it and please leave your thoughts in the comments!

~*~*~*~ Steve watched as the dazzling smile on Eddie’s face dropped to reveal absolute, unadulterated horror. He clearly wasn’t expecting his best friend/tomorrow’s date/future boyfriend to show up at fuck past two in the morning with a bruised face and blood covered sailor’s uniform. Steve could only imagine how he would respond if Eddie had shown up to Hopper's cabin looking like death the way Steve must right now.

“Oh my god, Steve?! What the fuck happened? Are you alright?” Eddie ushered him into the trailer and gently pushed him to a seat on the couch.

Steve didn't know how to respond to him. On the one hand, he didn't want Eddie to worry. On the other hand, nothing would ever be alright again. Hop was dead, his body still stuck in the Russian base under Starcourt where he himself had died multiple times. Steve could feel the throbbing of his broken heart's beats pulsating in his face still. He definitely had a concussion if the double vision and underwater hearing were indicative of anything. Worst of all, it was all Steve's fault. This entire situation never would have happened had he not tempted the universe. He was too happy, he knew everything would fall into catastrophe eventually and he hadn't warned anyone.

So instead of answering his best friend, he pulled at Eddie's shoulders until the man got the message and wrapped him in a warm embrace that smelled of Honeybunches, motor oil, and marijuana. All of Steve's favorite smells that usually calmed him down. But not this time.

He sobbed into Eddie's chest, tears and blood mixing together on his face and soaking into the thin black fabric of Eddie's shirt. Steve just couldn't stop. He cried for the pain he'd gone through in the Russian base and the incessant battery he'd endured at the hands of sadists. He cried for the loss of Robin's normal life and the fact that she would probably hate him now since he'd dragged her into the absolute shit-show that was his life. Most of all though, he cried for Hopper. He cried for his dad that adopted him into his little family and gave him a little sister, the dad that dropped everything to help Steve whenever he needed it.

Poor Eddie just hugged him through it all. He didn't know why Steve had woken him up from a dead sleep at an ungodly hour in the morning only to unveil a face more recognizable as ground beef. He didn't know who had beaten him up or why Hopper wasn't behind him in his truck ready to drag him back to the overprotected cabin in the woods. He didn't need to understand because his best friend was in need of help and a good hug which Eddie could provide.

After what felt like hours of crying, Steve rasped, “Eds, Hop is gone. He died tonight.”

Eddie’s hands stopped their soothing circles on his back and he pulled back to look him in the eyes. There was no joking there, just complete and utter dread and hopelessness in the eye that wasn't swollen shut.

“Chief Hopper died tonight? Are you okay, where are you going to go?” He backtracked for a moment and pulled Steve’s battered body to his gently once more. “I’m sorry for your loss, man. I know the Chief was like a father to you. What’s going to happen now?”

Steve wanted to cry, to scream at the world for being so unfair as to take one of the only people that had ever cared for him. But his eyes were dry and his heart was bone tired after such an arduous night. So instead of sobbing some more or breaking down, Steve shrugged. “I’m going to have to go back to my parent’s house. I can’t stay in Hop’s cabin without him there. And El is going to live with Mrs. Byers. I don’t have anywhere else to go.”

Eddie shook his head and placed a weary hand on Steve's face. He wanted to give him comfort but with all the blood and bruises on his face, he didn't know where to touch without causing more pain. “You can stay here. Wayne won’t mind as long as we don’t mess with his mug or cap collections. He’s got a habit for taking in strays. Hell, just look at me. You’ll always have a place here.”

Steve couldn’t move in though. Everywhere he went, misfortune followed. He was like a plague, sucking the life out of everything he touched. It started with his parents and he sucked the joy right out of their lives leaving nothing but bitterness and sorrow, certainly not enough love for the disappointment he became. It broke Nancy by killing her best friend and tainting their relationship. Steve should’ve kept his distance from Hop and El but his selfishness won out in the end. And now Hopper was gone. Steve’s plague had struck once again and had stolen his happiness with it. He couldn’t do that to Eddie and Wayne, they’d been through far too much already. They didn’t deserve to deal with him on top of it all.

“Thanks but I don’t want you guys to get sick of me. I’ll just stay at my parent’s house and crash here when they come home. If that’s okay with you and Wayne.”

Eddie shook his head before entwining his fingers with Steve’s. “Of course it is. We’ll worry about that tomorrow. For now, let’s deal with your face. Did you go to the hospital? I can literally see the bruises swelling in front of my eyes. There’s no way you don’t have a concussion right now, why would they let you drive like this?”

“They didn’t, I walked,” Steve corrected distractedly. His mind was reeling over grief and pain, too distracted to abide by the story he was supposed to use.

“Walked from where?”

“Starcourt,” his mouth just kept talking despite his eyes seeing the alarm on Eddie’s face. “The Russians stole my car keys so I couldn’t drive. It’s fine though, I have an extra set in the kitchen of my parent’s house. It was only four miles or so, not too bad in the grand scheme of things. I’ve had worse.”

Eddie just looked at him blankly, too indecisive to decide on concern, horror, or anger at whoever had done this to his friend. He was pretty positive he loved this weirdo, who the fuck had the audacity to keep beating him to a pulp? Couldn't these monsters see how lovable he was?!

“Um, I don’t know how to respond to that. I’m getting my keys and we’re going to the hospital. I don’t need to know what happened, especially since I’m pretty positive that you’re concussed and not making sense. I just need to know you’re okay so we’re going to the ER. Let me just call Wayne and we can go.” Eddie motioned with both hands for Steve to stay still and he did. Even when he heard crashing in Eddie’s room while he looked for his keys and panicked whispers when he finally reached Wayne on the phone, Steve remained in his seat on the old couch.

He knew he didn’t have to go to the hospital, the worst that could happen already had, but he couldn’t reveal that to Eddie. So, he’d bite his tongue and go through the motions. That was his specialty after all. For now, he’d let Eddie take care of him. He would ignore the grief that blackened his soul and the pain that accompanied the thought of his found family breaking apart. He'd deal with the trauma of loss and pain and death sometime later when he could handle a breakdown alone. At this very moment, Steve would hold himself together and lie to his friend and the doctors he was forced to see to keep the Party's secret. He had already dragged Robin into this mess and had probably lost her in the process, he didn't think he could survive losing Eddie too.

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#Eddie knows something is going on but he only cares about Steve's wellbeing for the moment #Steve thinks he lost Robin but she's just trying to escape the worry of her parents so she can find him wherever he ended up #Poor El just wants to stay with her brother but Joyce is 'protecting' her from the boy she'd only heard bad things about #that doesn't mean she can't stalk him in his head however and she's going to pull a Hopper and give that Eddie boy a talk #wayne is trying to leave work early because good god that Harrington kid has been through enough and he needs him #the gift of not dying #stranger things #steddie #fanfic #steve harrington #eddie munson #chief jim hopper

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ourstaturestouchtheskies · 1 year

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Automat - Edward Hopper // Girls Against God - Florence + the Machine

#hopper #edward hopper #girls against god #dance fever #florence + the machine #florence and the machine #fatm #art #art history #lyrics #lyric art

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mroddmod · 2 years

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catching up

#needing so badly to see his reaction to getting arrested but i know it will probably never be seen lol #mod hoping for things in canon and knowing that they'll never happen so he just draws them himself #god mode #anyway #stranger things #stranger things 5 #stranger things 4 fanart #stranger things fanart #stranger things 4 #st #st4 #jim hopper #el hopper #el hopper byers #hopper family #modsisawesome #mods draws #mods art

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emblazons · 8 months

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"She’s in pain. She needs this."

STRANGER THINGS SANS VISAGES S02E07 - The Lost Sister

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fadeintoyou1993 · 1 year

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which wolf wins? i guess it really depends, just gotta wait and see which one's appetite's the biggest.

you first — paramore

#strangerthingsedit #elhopperedit #el hopper #stranger things #tuserdee #userlindsay #usertrinity #userlanie #userrachel #tuserrobin #userbecca #usermorgan #userjc #userelizabethgillies #userjacko #userhawkins #gif #mine #hi and for the love of god HELLO!

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rewrotethestars · 2 years

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JOPPER + KISS

Hey, I’m gonna die someday. But not today. I’ve still got a date to make, remember? I don’t know, Hop. This time, it’s gonna be different. It better be. I am not having another funeral.

#jopper #st spoilers #stranger things #stranger things spoilers #hopper x joyce #jim hopper #joyce byers #strangerthingsgifs #my gifs #david harbour living the god damn dream

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