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musclesandhammering · 9 months
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Ok but the parallel of Gamora being a scared little girl on a planet that was crumbling and was being invaded by a cosmic fascist who killed half the people and kidnapped her from her family, raising her as his own and grooming her to be his weapon in his further fascist conquests
And Loki… being a scared little boy on a planet that was crumbling and was being invaded by a cosmic imperialist who killed half the people and kidnapped him from his family, raising him as his own and grooming him to be his weapon in his further imperial conquests.
Also: “Everything I hate about myself, you taught me.”
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kiapet2 · 11 months
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I’ve been thinking about the significance of names in GotG 3, and how it plays into the movie’s themes of intelligence and a being’s intrinsic worth.
Each of the test subjects’ names shows a different level of abstract thought:
Floor, seemingly capable of only very basic associations, named herself based on where she was while picking the name
Teefs named himself after a distinctive personal feature, and didn’t quite get the grammar right
Lylla picked a “real” name that she decided fit for her
And Rocket named himself aspirationally, using his name as a metaphor for the kind of person he wants to be
And the great thing is that all of these names were enthusiastically accepted by the group of friends, regardless of the complexity of thought that went into them. Because unlike the High Evolutionary, who places all living things on a spectrum from least to most evolved with only the most developed and “pure” being judged worthy of life, Rocket and his friends loved and valued each other for the beings they were.
This theme is then carried over to another naming scene at the movie’s climax: when Rocket declares himself to the High Evolutionary as “Rocket Raccoon”.
Throughout the series Rocket has taken offense to being referred to as a racoon, not wanting to be seen as “just an animal”. But in the climax he looks at a cage of baby raccoons and sees himself, not as the intelligent creation of the High Evolutionary but as the baby animal he once was, who never deserved what was done to him. And he looks at the other animals (the camera lingers in particular on a rabbit) and sees his friends, who were never as intelligent or “developed” as him but were no less valuable and important in his eyes.
And so he accepts the moniker of “Raccoon” alongside his personal name of “Rocket”, and insists that every creature on the ship be saved, not just the “higher lifeforms” as the other Guardians said. Because the truth he comes to realize is that there is no such thing as a “higher life form”: every living being has value, regardless of how intelligent, “developed”, or “evolved” they are.
While we don’t have sentient raccoons in our world, this is still a message that is so important, and so relevant to issues we face. It has takeaways for environmental stewardship and animal welfare (not as much separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom as we like to think, and it’s important to treat all living things with respect and care), as well as for issues of fascism, eugenics and disability rights (there are no types of people who are inherently superior to others; a person’s intelligence and/or level of functioning has no bearing on their status as a human being deserving of dignity, respect and self-determination).
It’s a lesson I hope we all can learn someday. Bless Guardians of the Galaxy 3 for portraying it in such a clear and meaningful way.
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i like that in the mcu guardians of the galaxy, the characters that die do not come back as the same people. it doesn't happen just to gamora; it's the same thing for groot.
(spoilers for vol. 3)
idk if this is canon, but i've seen some folks online say that the groot we see from vol. 2 and beyond is more like OG groot's "son", hence why he's reborn as a baby and his dynamic with rocket is much more of a father and son relationship than their original friendship, or perhaps a brotherly bond.
it's interesting that in the very beginning we see rocket mocking groot for "whining" over his lost limbs, claiming that they'll grow again... but groot's sacrifice later on is indeed a sacrifice. he straight up dies. a baby groot might be born by the end of the first movie, but he's not just a tiny version of the same groot. he's a whole other groot that grows up with other life experiences and other people. we see that rocket doesn't treat groot like he does the original groot, for that matter. it's rlly like he's adopted his dead friend's child.
i'm saying all this bc i still see some ppl complain that they miss the old groot, or that they don't understand why the current groot is not like the debut one. like, i can kind of get the feeling, i especially feel this way about gamora because she RLLY didn't need to be killed off (even if i deeply appreciate vol. 3 for respecting her character and not just making her end up with quill like she was the same gamora), but i feel that groot's case is a whole other case.
groot's death makes sense with the franchise. the whole premise is around a group of ppl who have lost someone. it's entirely about death, trauma and grief. groot not coming back as the same groot means that the death had its consequences. that even if the person returns, they're not going to be the same. nothing is going to be the same. even then, rocket never once stops taking care of groot, and the other guardians all become his parental figures, too. of course, the original groot should never be forgotten, but the guardians need to be there for the groot that is now with them, which is the whole theme of vol. 2: parenting.
it's interesting to see that both groot and gamora suffered the same fate, both out of sacrifices. but obviously, groot willingly died to save the only family he ever had. gamora died because of her asshole of a father. neither of these deaths are fair, but the latter is definitely more infuriating, and i kinda do wish gamora died similarly to groot due to her character arc, but well. at least i'm satisfied with how vol. 3 ended the trilogy.
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you know, I think I’d be at least slightly less upset/frustrated about character deaths in the MCU if they expanded more on the concept of the afterlife and brought that aspect more in line with the comics
because, I mean, it’s been mentioned, even portrayed, but not in a way that’s at all consistent, and at least for me, that makes some deaths feel a lot more final than others. not even “final” as in “I’m expecting the MCU to do the revolving-door thing of the comics and never keep its characters dead,” because I don’t expect that, but like--it makes a difference if you know a character’s soul continues to exist and they’re at peace, you know? especially if the alternative is, they were human and they died and now there’s just nothing?
and it’s confirmed for a few very specific aspects of the MCU. Asgard has Valhalla, implied before and now shown directly. Wakanda has the Ancestral Plane. there’s some stuff in Moon Knight that I haven’t actually seen yet but I know it’s there because of the wiki. those are all nominally based on real-world religions and gods, but in the MCU they’re actual reality whether you believe in them or not, and your cultural background seems to be the only thing dictating where you end up in the afterlife. I guess the Astral Dimension is...kind of connected to the other afterlives, but maybe also not, which is exactly the kind of thing they should develop more.
the very existence of the Soul Stone (and the fact that everyone has an astral form, I guess? but the Ancient One’s astral form fades when she dies, so does that mean astral forms don’t actually have anything to do with souls, or that human souls just poof into oblivion when they die, or just that their afterlife is completely inaccessible to the living?) is hard proof that souls exist in the MCU and everyone has one. only, there’s no indication that anybody else actually gets an afterlife, because absolutely nothing is ever mentioned, aside from human-typical stuff about resting or being reunited with dead family members or whatever. it would make sense if they did, for sure! like, it would be extremely weird if the souls in a small handful of cultures throughout the universe got to continue existing after death and literally everyone else just stopped existing as if they’d never been there in the first place. but nothing in the films indicates otherwise. every single other character who’s died might as well just be erased from existence like they’d never been, like they’d never mattered, and that just sucks, you know? at least in the comics, everybody--I’m pretty sure--went somewhere when they died, whether they stayed there or not.
which is also not to say that I think everyone in the MCU should know/believe that some kind of afterlife exists. obviously the Earth-based stuff in the MCU is more or less based on the real world, which has a ton of different beliefs about what happens after death even while none of us can ever actually know, and it would be pretty weird to make that huge of a difference between the MCU and reality. but there can also be a big difference between what the characters know and what the audience knows, or between what some characters know and others know. we could have gotten a quick shot of Tony and Natasha reuniting in some vague afterlife, for instance. (or Gamora absolutely wrecking Thanos in the afterlife, but that might be too complicated to do it quickly, and also they’re cowards and super weird about Thanos so they probably wouldn’t have done that anyway.) or a Wakandan could be explicit about the Ancestral Plane being only one afterlife of many, all connected, with everybody getting one whether they expect it or not. or one of the Masters of the Mystic Arts could say that the Astral Dimension contains a whooooole bunch of afterlives and the living can’t access them so not much is known for certain but they at least know something’s there and various people have had glimpses of dimensions or whatever that look like the afterlives described in various cultures.
...granted, I only watched Doctor Strange once, and I still haven’t seen Multiverse of Madness, Wakanda Forever, Moon Knight, or Love and Thunder, so I guess it’s possible any of these things could have happened and I forgot or just didn’t know, but the wiki doesn’t mention the kind of thing I want so I assume there wasn’t anything like that, and it bugs me.
(I don’t actually expect an Asgardian to care about any afterlife but Valhalla so I’m not surprised we didn’t get anything useful from them. ...I am annoyed Love and Thunder didn’t expand on the Valhalla bit just a little to show that Loki’s been reunited with his mom. and slightly surprised, because as joke-heavy as that movie apparently was, I wouldn’t have been surprised at all to have Loki welcome Jane to Valhalla just so she could punch him again--but more effectively this time--in a callback to TDW. the only question would be whether Taika would go for the cheap but basically nonsensical joke by leaving it there, despite Loki saving Jane’s life twice in TDW and apparently dying for Thor, and then fighting for Asgard in Ragnarok and actually dying for Thor in IW, or if he’d make it reasonable with “that’s for letting Thor think you were dead for years, asshole,” but then hugging him or something, all “that’s for...a bunch of other stuff. you’re still an asshole though.” which is something I could easily turn into a short little fic, probably, but I still prefer just going “well anyway he’s not dead because I said so.”)
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one of the things that really bothers me about modern franchises, and in particular over the last 5 years or so, is their refusal to commit. what i mean here when i say this is that it's not uncommon for a major franchise to make a decision, whether about the plot or the characters, that should have had huge, world-changing consequences... and then just never address that again or worse, immediately go back and undo it. and i'm gonna pick on star wars and the mcu here because those are the two big franchises i'm into at the moment (and i think they're kind of the worst at this), but i don't want you to walk away from this thinking that this is solely a disney thing. i've seen this happen with game of thrones and supernatural and plenty of other non-disney franchises. spoilers ahead, you've been warned:
in ant-man & the wasp quantumania, scott and hope make the life-altering decision to stay behind in the quantum realm and defeat kang instead of going through the portal to return to their world. this should have been a huge meta decision for the mcu, and when i first saw it in theaters, my immediate thought was wow, what is this going to mean for the mcu going forward? are we going to get a movie/miniseries about scott and hope helping to rebuild the quantum realm? how are cassie, janet, and hank going to react to the losses of their loved ones (in some cases, for the second time)? is cassie going to become the "first" young avenger because she has to take her father's place among the team lineup (and i only say first because as of this moment, none of the other young avengers introduced to the franchise are official avengers yet)? except nope, because less than 2 minutes later, cassie had fixed the portal that had broken way back at the beginning of the movie and brought scott and hope back.
and it felt like such a cheat. i was so disappointed in that theater, not as someone who was invested in these characters on a personal level (because yay, cassie gets her dad back!), but as someone who has spent years investing themselves in the story of the mcu. what was the point of wasting screentime on scott and hope accepting their new lives in the quantum realm if it was just going to immediately be undone? the entire scene could have been cut to scott and hope making it back bare seconds before the portal closed and it would have had the same emotional impact. there was nothing added by making scott and hope (and us) think that there was no way back only to rip the rug out from under us and go "gotcha! you really thought we were gonna give this movie a sad ending? haha! you're so dumb!"
and this isn't the first time the mcu has done this. one of the biggest complaints about endgame was the decision to set it five years in the future with no consideration for how that would actually change the setting of the mcu. characters were brought back to the exact place they disappeared from with no consideration for how things might have changed in the interim five years (like planes that weren't in the air anymore, buildings no longer standing, even just something as simple as a chair being unoccupied). and then the mcu didn't even really have the courage to address how this would have shaped the world other than a few jokes and making the bad guys in the falcon and the winter soldier people who cared about how the world had screwed them over during the blip.
and things like this happen over and over and over again. the accords are put into place in civil war, but by the time we get to she-hulk, they're gone with no explanation because, as best as i can tell, the writers didn't want to have to deal with the worldbuilding that went into the accords. gamora is killed in infinity war, but heaven forbid quill not have an emotional investment in a film he appears for maybe 10 minutes in so now she's back in endgame. steve got to go live in the past with his ex-girlfriend (which is in itself a refusal to commit after the mcu both gave her a different husband and had the woman herself tell him to move on) but we need to establish that messing with timelines is bad because that's what the entire next phase hinges on so actually his ending was predestined and it's only everyone else who can't change time. whoever took this entire town and also wanda hostage and forced them to live out a sitcom fantasy is bad and needs to be stopped but wait, it's actually wanda and she can't be the bad guy yet, we need her for doctor strange 2, so actually everyone's going to defend her now and say that no one else could ever possibly understand her grief. thor has decided to accept responsibility as king of asgard, but we can't use him for any more movies if he's stuck in asgard, so actually he's decided to pass it on to someone whose entire leadership capability is developed offscreen. i could list more examples but this is making me angry, so let's move on to star wars instead.
with star wars, i look at first the oft-quoted meme, "somehow palpatine has returned." yeah, i shouldn't really need to go into detail on how that counts as a refusal to commit but. the last jedi was a study in how johnson refused to commit to anything that abrams had laid down in the force awakens, but rise of skywalker was almost like abrams had looked at the franchise and said "screw you for taking it away from me, i'm going to come up with the most bullshit stuff just to spite you for doing that in the first place. and i'm going to start by undoing the most important plot point of the first trilogy: the emperor dies." and yeah, disney's kind of tried to salvage this by dropping hints into the bad batch and the mandalorian about cloning, but that only really works if you're watching the franchise chronologically and not considering that both of those series came out after rise of skywalker.
and then there's the mandalorian, my sweet summer child, who is, in my opinion, the worst at backtracking their plot points. i'm not entirely convinced that any of the higher ups for this show really knew what they were doing when they started working on it and i'm not convinced that they know what they're doing now. yeah, there's the tie-in to the last season of clone wars, but the mandalorian has managed to walk back pretty much every single major plot point it's had. din is this legendary warrior who can't be beat, but no one will watch this show if he defeats everyone too early, so he's constantly getting beat up (tbf, sometimes some of the fights he loses makes sense like the krayt dragon and the mudhorn, but a lot of them don't. at all). moff gideon is dead, no wait no he's not, now he's imprisoned, no wait no he's not, now he's definitely dead, you can totally believe us this time guys. grogu can use the force and must be placed with the jedi, but wait, the only person still actively teaching the way of the jedi is luke and all of his students will be brutally murdered ten years from now, and we can't have that, everyone will be mad at us for killing off such a cute character and no one will buy baby yoda dolls (and also we have to set up luke's character degradation from hopeful, believes-in-love cinnamon roll to "i'm going to kill my nephew") so in between seasons let's have grogu decide to go back to din (and don't even get me started on how frustrating it is that a casual mandalorian watcher also had to watch book of boba fett to understand why grogu is back). din has the darksaber now which makes him king of mandalore, that's totally going to be important and what the entire series has been building up to, right? wrong! he might have spent the first two seasons making connections, learning about the world outside his sheltered upbringing, and demonstrating the various qualities that would make for a good leader, but the entire third season will be about din realizing that actually he's super unworthy and the darksaber should actually go to someone who... saw an animal in the water.
and it's really, really frustrating as a viewer! because how am i supposed to get invested in any of these plot decisions when they almost always get reversed? why should i care that mj and ned have forgotten peter when ant-man 3 has shown me that they'll remember him the next time they're all on screen together? why should i care that tech is dead when half of the last season of clone wars was about how echo was actually alive? if none of these decisions have any permanence, then where are the emotional stakes? why should i watch your movie if all you're going to tell me is that nothing matters?
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tobiasdrake · 6 months
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As I was watching a playthrough of the MK1 story mode, when they got to the bit where the other titan characters were introduced, I thought of some of your posts. Specifically the ones about post infinity war Gamora. The introduction of titan Kitana made me realize that they never tried to imply a romance between Titan Liu and new Kitana.
Honestly, the whole thing is kinda janky when you think too much about it.
The Titans seem to have, like, fourth wall breaking meta-knowledge about everything that happened in the original timeline too.
When he hears about Quan Chi and Shang Tsung teaming up, Kang quietly remarks on how ominous it is that the Deadly Alliance has reformed.
But that wasn't a thing in his timeline. There was a brief reference to it in MK9; Quan Chi and Shang Tsung briefly teamed up for like one fight and were all, "Aha, this DEADLY ALLIANCE will defeat you!" Hold for audience applause. They said the thing!
But given that this is Reboot Kang, he should have no idea what the Deadly Alliance is. Or who Ashrah is, who he recognizes by name despite having never even heard of her.
Apparently the Titans took some time to binge the entire Mortal Kombat backlog.
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I thought gamora said abuse is not love.
I honestly don't see what's not clicking from what I said last night.
Is it that you think that because I said Thor and Loki love each other that means I'm saying their relationship is okay? Or you think I'm justifying their actions? Because I think it's clear I'm not doing that at all and I literally said their relationship is not healthy. Now, if what you're looking for is a post calling Thor an abuser and hating on him you are quite simply NEVER going to get that from me. Loki is not the only victim in the Odinson family.
Look, this is a matter of whether or not you sympathize with certain characters. I don't sympathize with Sylvie or Mobius at all, I do however understand Thor and Loki and their relationship. So, to me, there's a huge difference between these two not treating each other well because they're messed up in the head vs Mobius using every manipulation tactic known to man in order to break and destroy Loki's spirit in ep1.
You want to meta the hell out of Mobius and Sylvie? You're welcome to. I won't. Just like many fans refuse to acknowledge Thor and his issues and claim he hates Loki, or the fans who say Loki hates Thor... interpretations are free 🤷‍♀️ But just to make it clear, when I say Thor and Loki love each other I am NOT justifying the way they treat each other.
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incansavelariana · 8 months
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Talvez em algum lugar do universo exista um grupo de pessoas inspiradoras que se apoiam sem se levar pelo instinto predatismo e arcaico que vem sendo modelo na sociedade há muito tempo, se fantasiado de coisas irreais.
Talvez neste lugar, as pessoas saibam o verdadeiro valor do sutil, do simples, do pensar, e das coisas que só nos podemos controlar, nossos pensamentos, opiniões, julgamentos e valores. Pessoas que se somam, que se doam, que são recíprocas e verdadeira. Não vou dizer que são puras pois estão em constante aprendizado e evolução.
Eles sabem ouvir e se colocar no lugar do próximo pois ja passaram por muita coisa, já sofreram, já choraram e ficaram sem entender pessoas que se querem se colocam no lugar do outro.
Diz que se encontrarmos uma dessas pessoas durante nossa jornada cósmica infinita, devemos aproveitar e absorver todo o conhecimento que irá ser passado, por mais que seja tão natural para essas pessoas serem luz.
Diz também que esses seres cósmicos acendem a luz das pessoas sempre que percebem que a luz está por se apagar. Eles tem o poder de equilibrar ambientes e energia, mesmo que nas suas próprias trajetória muitas vezes eles acabam se perdendo em emoções e sentimentos.
São inteligentes e sábios, característica admirável.
Eu agradeço por termos nos encontrado nessa jornada cósmica infinita e agradeço por todos os ensinamentos, por todos os momentos de empatia, risadas, conselhos, por toda compreensão, por respeitar meu espaço, por querer meu bem e por me alertar sempre que eu precisei de um direcionamento.
O mundo precisa de seres cósmicos como você! Se ajudarmos alguém 1% por dia, que seja escutando, nosso dia já terá valido a pena. Se ajudarmos seres durante a vida, nossa existência terá valido a pena. As vezes ajudamos sem nos dar conta da transformação e riqueza que levamos as pessoas.
Desejo que você tenha uma linda vida! Que você tenha pessoas que te amam, admiram, te apoiam, te valorizam e são verdadeiras ao seu redor. Que as melhores energias te iluminem e te ajude no seu despertar e constante desenvolvimento como ser.
Que sua nova vida seja maravilhosa, sutil, e incrível! Que você conquiste seus sonhos, metas e objetivos! Que você seja imensamente feliz ao lado da mulher que te ama e que vocês continuem esse casal companheiro que se apoia, se respeita. Que vocês continuem sendo excelentes mães da Gamora e outros filhos que virão.
Acho que o mais difícil da graduação não são as matérias, as matérias tem um peso pequeno perto de muitas coisas. Mas uma das coisas difíceis que posso citar neste momento são as despedidas. Nunca me dei bem com despedidas, mas sei que é muito egoísmo querer ter todos por perto para sempre. As pessoas são como águas em um rio, elas fluem.. Que você possa seguir o seu fluxo de vida com muita proteção!
Te desejo realizações lindas! Te desejo paz no coração.
Não é um adeus...
Até logo minha amiga, espero encontrá-la em breve! Que você tenha uma vida feliz!
Ass: Fada Baunilha
PS: Não esquece de soprar canela no primeiro dia do mês;
Não esquece de fazer um pedido sempre que for 00:00;
Dias iguais são como portais mágicos, aproveite a energia e transceda!
Não esquece de pisar na grama, sentir o sol, olhar pra lua e contemplar as estrelas;
Não esquece de lembrar que as coisas mais simples são as mais valiosas da vida.
Aqui vai um presente simples, porém valioso e antigo (geológicamente dizendo). O quartzo verde é conhecido espiritualmente por ser relacionado a energias de cura, dissolve pensamentos ruins, melhora a saúde, acalma o corpo, a mente e o coração. Favorece o equilíbrio emocional e ajuda no nosso sonho. Sinta-se curada.
O quarto chákra (cardíaco), é representado pela cor verde. Sempre que sentir necessidade, posicione o quartzo verde em cima do seu coração para voltar ao eixo.
Você pode limpar a energia do cristal lavando-o em água corrente, sob a lua minguante ou sol. Você pode por sua intenção logo após a limpeza em lua crescente ou cheia.
Seja Feliz!
Susana C. Amorim
Sururu
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dilfdoctordoom · 11 months
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What's your preference when it comes to Pete's origins? It's a MESS. Do you think we should just mix everything? Is there stuff you'd prefer if everyone ignored? What do you think his relationship with his father should be like? ...are there any actually good comics dealing with Spartoi?
Look at me anon. LOOK AT ME. Peter Quill's best origin exists for a single issue & it's where he's the homicidal second coming of Christ.
Seriously though, while I do adore that origin and how interesting it is from a meta point when you view it from where we are now or even where we were in the 90s Star-Lord series, I like where we are now. I'm obsessed with where we are now.
It's such a good blend of everything that enhances a lot of mediocre shit in Peter Quill's backstory. Evil J'son has been mostly one-note, but the current retcon that Ewing did, mixed with the story on Morinus, IMO makes Peter & J'son have a dynamic that could be as interesting as Gamora & Thanos'.
As for comics dealing with Spartoi... I enjoy the old 70s Star-Lord comics, at least a little? Like how long J'son has been at war, the family drama of it all, etc, it's a solid base!
Other than that. Um. I hate to say it, but I guess it'd Legendary Star-Lord Annual #1. It's no secret that I hate that series but with Victoria, there's at least an attempt to explore what life would actually be like for someone on Spartoi - specifically, a person of color on Spartoi.
Bonus of the 70s stories though, they feature Kip & Sandy who are my everything!
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caatws · 9 months
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James Gunn: This Gamora can never replace the old one because she didnt have any of those experiences!
Also James Gunn: Lets make Nebula replace her even if she is even of a more completely different person than this Gamora out of the bat and change her personality than we last saw her!
i didn't rly feel like nebula Replaced gamora on the team but in terms of meta things of like, which character was the female lead, i think nebula ended up in that role much more than gamora in vol 3. i don't rly feel that one character completely replaced the other tho, except with all the nebula x peter shipping stuff lol
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marvelousmrm · 1 year
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Strange Tales #181 (Starlin, Aug 1975). Pip and Gamora race to Warlock’s rescue, but they needn’t have bothered. Starlin invokes the individualism of Steve Ditko, pitting the Golden Gladiator against a maddening psychological reprogramming. Clown wardens Lenteans and Jan Hatroomi (anagrams for Stan Lee and John Romita) pressure Warlock into conforming to their endless nonsense, building towers of trash that will inevitably collapse. The only way out of the cycle is to go insane. Gotta say, Warlock seems surprisingly cogent for a self-professed madman, but it’s a fun meta turn that distinguishes this run!
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youlackconviction · 2 years
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Ok so my intense dislike if the series aside, is Croki really a Loki? In the comics he's too smart to be a normal alligator but he's doing pet tricks like a trained animal. Was he born an alligator or is this a shape shifting accident? What do you think?
lol. are you sure you want to know what i really think?
*tells you anyhow*
i think that first of all, the series criteria seems excessively loose as to what LOKI even is. and all they really seem clear on is that you have to be green.
well.
that makes hulk and gamora LOKI as well. and we aren’t even going to enter into all the other kinds of earth creatures that are also green. or plants.
but the stupidest thing of all is that actually LOKI isn’t green at all. his CLOTHES are accented with green; he’s fucking BLUE.  but i don’t expect the showrunners to even know that since i have doubts they watched anything of the existing material and just took all their oh-so-funny callbacks from memes and tropes.
honestly the series has the most basic, bottom-feeder interpretation of every damn thing; even when they are trying to be symbolic and deep it’s kiddie-pool at best and always with the overly mocking edge. croki was a throw-away joke intended to belittle and diminish LOKI even further and i will not dignify their slander with an actual attempt at meta analysis of its in-universe origins.
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ellena-asg · 1 year
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there's also Thor, unconscious, when the guardians of the galaxy find him floating in space after Loki's death. He's not naked nor shirtless. still. They comment about his body, his looks and grope him. He's UNCONCIOUS and can't consent
I almost forgot about my old Thor meta! Thank you so much for sharing your feelings ❤️
Oh, yes. Gosh, I was so furious at Taika's movies that I forgot about Russos and their IW. Yeah, you're right. The way they treat Thor isn't better. The scene you have mentioned is especially painful to watch because of sexualization and as you said: groping. But it's also sad that not many people find scenes like that one wrong - I mean, in man's case. Let's imagine such scene being reversed, with unconcious Gamora and Thor touching her body and making comments. I can hear people saying "he's fucking misogynist!". But we have man being touched and commented and only small group of people say "whoa, whoa, it's misandry and it's bad too". I mean, gender shouldn't matter here - a person should. Everyone can be a victim or an abuser.
(gosh, I've seen Ragnarok and all after it only once and should forget about it but still can't - too big trauma)
Thank you again, anon sunshine. I'm not very active in MCU fandom nowadays but I still love the first movies very deeply, love many fans and when I saw your message, huh, I was touched and happy ♥️ (I usually get anon hate for not agreeing with Taika's movies etc. so your message was like a big and nice surprise).
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adamwarlock · 2 years
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If you've sent me an ask about Adam and I haven't answered it yet I promise I'll get to it soon but I'm in the middle of moving right now so :') it may take a little while.
@dilfdoctordoom I started typing out my adam/gamora thoughts for you ages ago already but at this point it has turned into this big huge meta post about Adam and his overall relationship with love/responsibility/control so uhhhhhh. It'll be done whenever it's done I'm still thinking long and hard about it. <3
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tinkertoysdamn · 29 days
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I'm considering working on that short fic idea (a short fic, what a novel concept) about Rocket and Peter cuddling based on my silly cat and dealing with shared grief over Gamora and Thor keeps wanting to shove his way in. It's kind of funny/not-funny, might see how it effects overall tone. Then again, when grieving, absurdist shit happens. It just does.
It's happened to me time and time again so it's not "unrealistic."
It might also turn into a meta-commentary on Taika's choices for Love and Thunder but that's another digression--
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ao3feed-thor · 1 year
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Even an Infinite War has an eventual Endgame
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by TheKidwBlueGlasses
"You're kidding me."
The accusation rang out in the heavy silence in the conference room. Tony stared hard at where Cap and the others were sitting at the opposite end of the room, their heads down, faces clouded, and metaphorical and literal tails between their legs in various degrees of shame and sorrow. Rogers' expression was the worst. The super soldier opened his mouth. "...I honestly wish I were, Tony." ---------------------------------
Happy Five Years everybody!!! :D
Words: 1258, Chapters: 1/23, Language: English
Series: Part 2 of Even an Infinite War has an Endgame...
Fandoms: The Avengers (Marvel Movies), Marvel Cinematic Universe, Captain America (Movies), Captain America - All Media Types, Iron Man (Movies), Thor (Movies)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: Multi
Characters: Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Thor (Marvel), Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Clint Barton, Bruce Banner, Original Female Character(s), Pietro Maximoff, Loki (Marvel), Peter Parker, Rocket Raccoon, Nebula (Marvel), Carol Danvers, Okoye (Marvel), Scott Lang, Cassie Lang, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, James "Bucky" Barnes, Peter Quill, Gamora (Marvel), Drax the Destroyer, Mantis (Marvel), Groot (Marvel), Uatu | The Watcher (Marvel), Thanos (Marvel), The Black Order (Marvel)
Relationships: Pepper Potts/Tony Stark, Tony Stark & Avengers Team, Steve Rogers & Tony Stark, Steve Rogers & Thor, Steve Rogers & Avengers Team, Avengers Team & Thor, Avengers Team & Original Female Character(s), Clint Barton & Pietro Maximoff, Pietro Maximoff & Wanda Maximoff, Tony Stark & James "Rhodey" Rhodes, James "Bucky" Barnes & Steve Rogers, Nebula & Tony Stark, Nebula & Rocket Raccoon, Loki & Thor (Marvel), Bruce Banner & Thor, Steve Rogers & Natasha Romanov
Additional Tags: Post-Movie: Avengers: Infinity War (2018), Not Avengers: Endgame (Movie) Compliant, Canon Divergence - Avengers: Endgame (Movie), Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Fix-It of Sorts, Original Female Character(s) - Freeform, Self-Insert, Meta, Religious Imagery & Symbolism, Religious Themes, Mythological Themes & Symbolism, parables, lol I was homeschooled, Morality, Food as a Metaphor for Love, acts of service, Artist Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanov Is Not A Robot, Tony Stark Has A Heart, Avengers: Endgame (Movie), Minor Character Death, Happy Ending, Possession, Mind Manipulation, Implied/Referenced Mind Control, Foreknowledge, Canon-Typical Violence
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