I think that the something there was more than just understanding, they were inches apart and the smiles, it felt like a spark in the way Gunn was suggesting. Apart from that how do you invision Gamora getting closer to Peter after this movie enough for her to start visiting him?

that's true! like it totally would've been believable to me if starmora like tried to pursue something after the story. i respect the ending being open but idt it's as definitive as "they don't belong together" like gunn said

as for after the film, i'd imagine that gamora's path just keeps crossing with peter's/the gotg's in general and she'd probably warm up to all of them more over time. honestly i think the most realistic depiction of this i've seen has been in the starmora fic life after you on ao3 which i'd rly recommend (: it's all abt ravager!gamora growing closer with peter after the events of vol 3 and i'd love to see it go down just like that in canon too~

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to the anon who asked me abt reading a specific author's fics: i don't wanna rly be put on the spot abt whose fics i do or do not read cuz i don't read everyone haha but i am just gonna leave my prev rec here and also add that everything by @quillsmora and @godblessgamora is also amazing!

I saw the twitter mess and saw a bunch of people actually defending her and agreeing with you hold up is the world healing?

haha all the ppl who were pretty much on the same page as me were mostly my friends and mutuals so it’s similar to how it is on here 😭 a group of us saying hey it’s kinda unfair that the woc lead got sidelined in favor of a raccoon and then the raccoon girlies just couldn’t handle hearing it and started posting like literal notes app style statements like celebrities in defense of rocket like it was kinda funny 💀

If anyone got mad at you for calling Rocket a Raccoon they're not even worth taking seriously. Part of his arc was accepting he is in fact a Raccoon. How are people who supposedly love him missing that? He literally says at one point that his name is Rocket Raccoon.

Maybe it's because I've never been a huge Gunn fanatic the way some guardians fans are but I'm not understanding why people can't see he's not perfect or infallible when it comes to his writing. Gamora's called a green whore in vol 1 for no good reason. There's a whole running gag about Mantis being ugly in vol 2 that isn't all that funny or respectful to her character. Drax has his intelligence mocked for laughs in vol 3. I saw mcu fans up in arms about the Russo's making Thor a joke because of his drinking in EG but they think Gunn's writing is perfect. Many people were livid Natasha didn't get a funeral and only had her team talk once by the lake after she died. Gamora got no funeral, no moment of any kind from her team and nobody but Peter is sad she died. I love gotg but it's delusional to act like that's not a flaw.

I question if people watched vol 1 and 2 or IW before Gamora died. She had the second largest amount of screen time in all 3 movies. In vol 3 she has less screentime than all the main characters. In vol 1 and 2 she's the female lead with decent influence on the story. In vol 3 she's a side character with minimal development and her arc is understanding why her murdered counterpart had a relationship with Peter. In vol 1 the characters grow to care about her and this continues in vol 2 with multiple relationships built up. In vol 3 only Peter cares about 2018 Gamora and only Nebula cares about 2014 Gamora. In vol 1 and 2 Gamora was recognized as a prominent member of the Guardians of the Galaxy and you could find her included in a solid amount of merch as time went on. In vol 3 she's not made a member of the team, after the movie a lot of people don't consider her a hero and trying to find merch for her is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

This is only some of the issues and it's more than enough evidence Gamora's writing is not anywhere near the level it once was and her character is far less important in vol 3 than any other movie she's appeared in. If people want to argue with you they're lying through their teeth. Stay strong my friend!

Part of his arc was accepting he is in fact a Raccoon.

no bc literally i couldn't stop thinking abt this lmfaoooo

but yeah literally, gunn's writing when it came to the female and poc characters has always been....well it's Something. and it culminated in gamora's total demotion from co-lead of the franchise to estranged supporting character in vol 3.

i think what ppl are not realizing is that i would still have this same critique had any of the other characters esp the white and/or male ones had taken center stage like rocket did in vol 3 because of what had happened to gamora in iw/eg. like that was something that needed to be fixed or at the very least Addressed in some way, and whether it was rocket or drax or kraglin or whoever taking the lead in vol 3, i still would've been disappointed and frustrated by the lack of acknowledgement of the events of iw/eg (for Everyone too, not even with just what happened to gamora) and the lack of effort to at least give gamora her family back. and idk how many times i have to keep saying it, but just bc something is made to be in character doesn't make it a good story or ending for the character. like if gunn had written some grand tale where rocket just fucked off and left the gotg but made it in character would all these ppl be happy with that? doubt it!

James Gunn: This Gamora can never replace the old one because she didnt have any of those experiences!

Also James Gunn: Lets make Nebula replace her even if she is even of a more completely different person than this Gamora out of the bat and change her personality than we last saw her!

i didn't rly feel like nebula Replaced gamora on the team but in terms of meta things of like, which character was the female lead, i think nebula ended up in that role much more than gamora in vol 3. i don't rly feel that one character completely replaced the other tho, except with all the nebula x peter shipping stuff lol

Its crazy I even saw Nebula fans defending Gamora like you know its concerning 💀

hmm i don't find that weird personally? most of the ppl i've interacted with who are stans of either character usually also love the other sister

Some of THOSE fans excuse is that their fav was the main character, but how did Vol 2, written and directed by the same person in Vol 3, manage to make Peter the main character and the main conflict around him, but still have ever single character in the movie an equal amount of screentime and importance, but this movie couldnt even give half of the characters decent development? Like ok the endings were nice, but seriously a lot of them were so under developed. James is great doing stories when he cares about all characters and honestly I feel like he only cared about 1.

no bc literally lmaoooo. also it seemed that what riled up ppl the most yesterday was me calling the raccoon character……a raccoon. like y’all not would believe the amount of “JUST a raccoon?!??!?!?!?!” posts i saw it almost felt like they were doing a bit 😭

Not really a question but I've been seeing the complete insanity going on regarding Gamora in Vol. 3 on Twitter and I'm both sorry to see you having to explain over and over why the film so clearly screwed her over so badly in the narrative, but also appreciative that Gamora has someone defending her and continually pushing that she deserved better 💔 Stay strong soldier maybe the viewers will eventually understand lol... 🫡

omg tyyy for this 😭😭😭 the [redacted] stans over have just been driving me bananas. like maybe consider how it feels to be a woman esp a woc seeing the LEAD woc character get completely sidelined in her own franchise 😝 cwazy stuff

Have you seen Secret Invasion finale? If you havent you can ignore this ask:

I havent seen it and I dont plan to see it but I cant believe Rhodey was a skrull since Civil War. Why tf would they do that? Marvel wouldnt have done that with any of their white heroes...WHY RHODEY?!

i’ve only watched the first two eps (but i’ve been keeping up with spoilers thru twt) bc i just became so disinterested after the ending of the first ep. also bc i expected this was gonna be a mess given how they tried to introduce the skrulls as like a metaphor for refugees seeking asylum in captain marvel so the audience could sympathize with them, only to now have to turn around and be like “actually they are dangerous invaders infiltrating society to destroy us” which is just…the usual Republican rhetoric regarding immigration in the us these days??? like wow they thought they were making a big effective narrative in captain marvel only to actually make a big, overall anti-immigrant narrative in the end 💀

all that aside…i truly do not understand what the point of retroactively changing mcu canon to this extent is. like it rly undermines all of rhodey’s appearances post-cacw in a way that i’m sure they’d never do to some other, more major, perhaps coincidentally white characters. if they wanted to make rhodey a skrull so bad i also don’t see why they couldn’t have just done it post-endgame? like what are we doing here 😭

I thought Rocket becoming captain was just like a bit weird to me. Dont tell me Gunn didnt do that because Rocket is his favorite cause I guarentee you that if he could go back and remake Vol 1 he would have done it. Also Peter saying Rocket is a better captain than him rub me the wrong way idk if its just me?

nah that also rubbed me the wrong way bc i don’t rly recall the films ever Showing us rocket being a captain specifically better than peter like…ever? like where was any evidence of that

I'm late to the gotg 3 convo. I didn't catch the movie while it was in theaters. I was pretty spoiled before recently watching it but still wanted to see for myself. With only the one watch thru there may be scenes I need to see again but for now I would say vol 3 has a few problems with consistency, arcs and explanations that are easy to want to overlook due to the movie ending in a decently optimistic way. That doesn't change that the problems are there. The one that stands out most is Rocket becoming Captain. I don't mind that he becomes the new leader but I do think the idea he would be better than Peter doesn't hold up. We've seen Peter be kind, selfless, grow and make hard choices. He's not perfect but no person is. I think the movie was trying to say his distraction over Gamora was a flaw that made him less worthy but that's not really fair. The way he lost Gamora would devastate anyone. You have to consider he had no idea where 2014 Gamora was and if she was safe or doing well. Any person would struggle under those conditions. We know from past movies that Rocket had anger and hurt he needed to work through for many years over what he experienced and losing his friends. He's so bitter he stole batteries just to cause trouble and that's what lead to some of what we see in vol 3. He's not perfect either. I think Peter could make him Captain without the implications he wasn't good enough at the job.

Mantis needing to move on also stood out. There was nothing in vol 2 or the holiday special hinting at her being unsatisfied doing work as a guardian and wanting to be on her own. I think this goes for everyone. There was nothing that pointed to them being held back by the family and team life they were living. When you think over how most of them weren't around for 5 years it makes it even more difficult to believe they were all over it when it comes to being a team. It's interesting Rocket and Groot got to remain together on the team when the others didn't and I think this was a little forced. Rocket was the only one who had been part of some team for years and years because he had his time with the guardians and then survived the snap to spend time with the Avengers.

The whole snap situation is another flaw in the movie for me. Rocket and Nebula spent all that time with other people and the movie acts like they have no relationships with anyone but the guardians. I saw your post about Gunn saying Rocket doesn't talk to Thor and that's ridiculous in my opinion. Why would Gamora spending 2 plus years with the ravagers make them her real family over being with her sister but those 5 years of relationships with the Avengers mean nothing for Rocket or Nebula. I noticed that Gunn only used that time as a basis for Nebula and Rocket to be close but didn't explore that logically there would be some big changes for both of them that have nothing to do with the guardians.

I am probably in the minority with this last thought but I think if you remove the events of IW and EG vol 3 would still have problems because vol 2 and 3 don't fit together either. Vol 2 has the characters realizing for the first time that they are a family and they are still figuring out what it means to be a team. Going from that to what we get in vol 3 would need more development. Some steps taken work but there are plots and parts of characters arcs that needed to have much earlier discussion and hints so that it felt more natural and not like last minute changes of heart or moments that were put in the movie just to get a particular ending without doing the work. That said IW and EG were major events that did take place and altered the course of the guardians team taking away a member of the family. That needed to be it's own well developed plot for all the characters.

i don't think you're in the minority with that opinion at all! literally one of my first thoughts after watching vol 3 the first time—which was via the imax marathon of all 3 gotg films back to back—is how disjointed it is from vol 1 and 2, in that you honestly can't rly watch all 3 together. but the problem is with how little vol 3 seems to pick up where iw/eg left off for the gotg emotionally, aside from peter grieving gamora (tho there are still major holes in that—like are we just going to ignore peter failing to keep his promise to kill gamora in iw and how that probably affected him?), vol 3 doesn't even feel like it properly follows those films either. it's like vol 3 exists in its own separate void and we're missing something to connect it to eg (neither tlat nor the holiday special rly did this either)

i agree with everything else you said here anon...vol 3 rly pulled an "i pretend i do not see" with a shit ton of stuff that happened to the characters in the years before it takes place, and it just made the viewing experience honestly rly confusing. and even some of vol 3's attempted self-contained stories/arcs still had major holes in terms of a lack of clarity for how the characters got from point a to point b, such as mantis wanting to leave (like you mentioned) and rocket becoming captain

I hope it doesnt happen but if James says that Gamora is not a guardian (at least in the sense that she is not family) despite understanding Groot after saying that if you do it makes you family, then that just shows that he is trying a bit too hard to sideline Gamora and therefore doea not truly care for her

yeah i think at this point his actions just add up to not rly giving as much of a shit abt her or her story compared to everyone else

Honestly the moment Gunn said that Rocket is the saddest creature in the universe in a few interviews before the movie made me feel a bit weird, but now after the comparison of his trauma to the others in the dialogue, especially Neb's and Gamora's, it makes me actually wonder what the fuck was James thinking. I know that in reality there are people who suffer more than others in their lifes, but even if this is fictional, all these characters went through pretty traumatic stuff, and comparing whos past is the saddest is just horrible. Comparing traumas feels like justifying an abuser's actions to another abuser's, when in reality all abusers are equally bad, it makes me think that Gunn was trying so hard to make everyone think that Rocket is the had te worst past to the point where he felt like he needed to make it a competition and it feels so wrong, it actualky pisses me off so much.

yeah there was just no way to do a whole "his abuse was worse than mine" thing well here without undermining another character's experience and trauma. like i literally cannot emphasize enough how much that line of nebula's gave me the sense that gunn wrote this film treating rocket like his self-insert mary sue original character (do not steal!!1!) who always has it the worst of the worst compared to any other character around

much like characters and stories i would write when i was like 14, you know!

You always have such great thoughts and understanding about storytelling and character so I'm hoping it's okay to converse with you about the main arc for Peter and Gamora. I know people have talked about why they personally don't think Gunn's commentary about them makes sense but if we follow the progression of this arc and the theme isn't his commentary objectively wrong?

What I mean is if you look at the overarching theme, that admittedly could have used more focus and build when it comes to most of the arcs, it seems to be the characters coming away with more than they had before. If you look at the Peter and Gamora specific parts of this they start with Peter wanting a connection Gamora denies and her to be more like her old self which she can't. Gamora wants to be seen for herself and is against hearing about any old life or relationship had with Peter. Part way through the movie things change and Peter is getting Gamora is different which makes him hurt and angry but we also see Gamora starting to become interested because she's looking through his things. His picture means something enough for her to hold onto it and she's not unaffected by what's going on when Rocket almost dies. There's also the whole Groot misunderstanding that's made very in our faces. As we head to the end of the movie Peter and Gamora are working together more smoothly. He saves her life without hesitation and she looks up at him and smiles instead of pushing him away and he smiles back. Eventually Gamora is working with the team with an ease that was absent earlier. She finally understands Groot and embraces she had a life with Peter. Peter accepts her for who she is and tells her she's not so bad.

That got too long but I wanted to highlight that the only real plot or arc Gamora gets is this main stuff with Peter followed by her finally understanding Groot. I'm not a movie or storytelling expert but If this wasn't about her also coming away with more than Gunn should have written something different and it wouldn't fit into the theme of the movie he himself wrote. As it is there isn't as much for Gamora as the other characters to begin with but with what Gunn says, if he were correct, she would have nothing. This isn't about Peter and Gamora being a couple at the end or needing to be a couple at all in the future. It's about connections in general and gaining something. Giving Gamora an awareness of her old life and implying she can never do anything with it goes against what's developed in the movie for all the characters and as I said before her part in it is already minimal compared to Adam for example getting to wear the uniform and be a guardian or Nebula getting to say she's going to run Knowhere.

Not sure if I explained any of this well but I guess it looks to me like everyone gets something tangible at the end and for Gamora other people besides the ravagers she can get to know was kinda it. If it's not that than she has nothing gained. Drax is surrounded by kids again and gets to be their dad rather than kept away from having any connections with them. Gamora understands Groot but he's not real family. I'm sorry but that would be so stupid.

yeah, gamora's entire arc rly seemed to just revolve around serving the others' own arcs (well pretty much peter's since apparently no one else cared to interact with her much lol) except for like the groot scene i guess. like if she's just there for some other characters' development, much more than for her own, then the least she could get is her place back on the team. but ok gunn lol