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Seminars of “Herodotus Helpline”in April-June 2023
“Upcoming seminars
April-June 2023
18 April (NB: Tuesday): Maurizio Giangiulio (Trento)
After so many years. From Herodotus’ sources to oral tradition and social memory
26 April: Jan Haywood (Leicester)
Reading Herodotus
3 May: NO SEMINAR
10 May: Giusto Traina (Sorbonne)
Media and Armenia in Herodotus’ list of satrapies  
17 May: Reading session: 5.42-48 (the fall of Sybaris)
24 May: NO SEMINAR
31 May: Claudio Felisi (Sorbonne)
Where do the names of the Greek gods come from? For a (partly) new reading of Herodotus’ answer
7 June: Alexander Schütze (Munich), Andreas Schwab (Kiel) and others
Herodotean soundings: the Cambyses logos
14 June: NO SEMINAR
21 June: Paul Cartledge (Cambridge)
Commentating on Herodotus: the Cambridge Green and Yellows
28 June:Translating the Histories”
Source: https://herodotushelpline.org/seminar-schedule/
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theblack-awakening · 4 months
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sbrown82 · 2 months
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Linda Martell - "Color Him Father" (1970)
**Beyoncé's latest album 'Cowboy Carter' spotlights Linda Martell, a pioneer and trailblazer who paved the way for Black country music artists, as she was the first commercially successful Black female artist in the genre.
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referencing this comic bc i realized klav would probably tell apollo,, bc he love loves apollo,,, and this
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suntails · 5 months
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shaniacsboogara · 11 months
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marzipanandminutiae · 7 months
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I was just looking into the notion that widowers only had to mourn for 1 year after their wives' deaths, during the Victorian era, while widows had to mourn for two. because I've heard that a lot, but it seems to jive more with the Pop History version of the era where mourning existed because Imposing Rules On People Is Fun and All Marriages Were For Money than with the real version, inhabited by real people who idealized love matches and theoretically practiced formal mourning to show that they were going through something and needed gentle treatment
what I've gathered from a brief search for period sources seems to be:
one source from 1839 mentioned the "widows = 2 years; widowers = 1 year" thing
every other source I read (about 7, from various points in the era) implied or stated that the minimum normal period of mourning for widows and widowers was the same
That's a small sample size, but I still think it's significant
men's clothing could often be harder to visibly alter to reflect mourning, relying heavily on things like black cufflinks and collar studs that could be trickier to notice at first glance than. you know. a bonnet with a black veil over someone's face
a lot of sources talking about mourning clothes were fashion magazines aimed at women, and thus would be more likely to talk about women's mourning attire than men's
so my takeaway is that while some people at some parts of this 60-year period felt it acceptable for widowers to mourn for half the period of widows, many others at other times expected any bereaved spouse regardless of gender. obviously, in a highly misogynistic society, women's adherence to ettiquette could be much more scrutinized than men's; a widower who married six months after his wife's death would be looked askance at, but probably not subject to as much censure as a widow who did the same. and obviously, things don't go according to plan and the formal mourning system could of course backfire- forcing a woman into months of social seclusion for an abusive husband, for example
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the overall goal was to convey "handle with care" to the outside world. for many people, widowers were expected to need as much care as widows- and therefore to mourn for the same length of time
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crazy-ache · 30 days
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We are not the same.
Some folks: SJM foreshadowed a blood duel between Azriel and Lucien in the Bonus Chapter to win Elain’s heart/claim his mate.
Me, an intellectual: SJM foreshadowed the blood duel in regard to Lucien because he will use it to save Elain’s life, likely from Beron, because this time he will be powerful enough to stop Jesminda’s fate from repeating itself again.
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A second review of the Herodotus Encyclopedia in Syllogos, by Dr. Maren Elisabeth Schwab (with some thoughts of mine on it)
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                                   “REVIEW DISCUSSION
BARON, Christopher. 2021. Herodotus Encyclopedia, 3 vols. Hoboken NJ: Wiley Blackwell. $595.00. 9781118689646.
                                   Maren Elisabeth Schwab
The Herodotus Encyclopedia, three volumes edited by Christopher Baron and published in 2021 with Wiley-Blackwell, is dedicated to no less a figure than Herodotus himself: ‘To Herodotus: 2,500 years and still going strong.’ Is he really? And, one might ask, was he always? But the massive volumes, amounting to  1653  pages,  speak  for  themselves:  at  least  for  now,  Herodotean  studies  are  thriving. There are good reasons to toast his birthday.
A  total  of  181  scholars  have  contributed  thousands  of  entries  to  the  Encyclopedia  from  universities  all  around  the  world,  mostly  Anglo-Saxon and  European. It is particularly fortunate that scholars from institutions in Herodotus’ home countries, Turkey and Greece, are also among the contributors. Their aim — as ambitious as it is welcome to any future reader of the Encyclopedia — was to be as comprehensive as possible and at the same time up to date with today’s Herodotean studies.
The  topics  are  wide-ranging:  the  history  of  the  text;  scholarship  and  reception;   the   historical,   intellectual   and   social   background   of   Herodotus’  world, including religion and warfare; Herodotus’ historical method and literary techniques; and prominent themes in the work. In addition, every single one of the 2,000 names that occur in the Histories is covered by an entry. Indeed, the very first article is the result of this decision: the letter ‘A’ starts with ‘Abae’, a sanctuary that rivalled Delphi during the Archaic period. The location of Herodotus’ Abae, and thus of one of the six oracles tested by Croesus (1.46.2), was only identified by the excavator Wolf-Dietrich Niemeier in 2010. The article further refers to the keywords ‘Dedications’, ‘Temples and Sanctuaries’ and ‘Warfare’. We already find ourselves zigzagging through Herodotean topics and worlds.
In  fact,  each  article  of  the  Encyclopedia  is  accompanied  by  an  inspiring  ‘see  also’  section  as  well  as  an  often  admirably  detailed  bibliography,  although  the reader is warned in the introduction that bibliographical references will only extend  to  works  published  before  2016.  This  should  not  come  as  a  surprise  to  anyone:  as  is  usual  with  venerable  ancient  authors  in  general,  Herodotus  too  has instigated a long torrent of scholarship that has stretched over the past 600 years. The average scholar of today only occasionally hits the tip of this enormous iceberg,  but  the  contributors  to  the  Herodotus  Encyclopedia  have  clearly  done  their  best  to  let  this  first  collision  lead  to  a  far-reaching  expedition  into  the  beauties and furrows of the unknown continent below.
This  whole  new  world  has  a  map:  the  introduction  to  the  Encyclopedia provides an interesting insight into its making by showing the template or synopsis that served as a finely meshed net to identify the topics of the entries. It reveals three main headings: ‘Text’, ‘Context’ and ‘Histories’. For me, as a scholar fascinated by the history of reception, it was most interesting to see that the heading ‘Text’ not  only  includes  the  obvious  sections  on  transmission  and  editions,  but  also  translations  as  well  as  scholarship  on  Herodotus  of  all  ages  (except  medieval):  antiquity, renaissance, early modern, modern 1 and 2 (fittingly using the end of the Second World War to mark a divide: 1750–1945, 1945–2018). This is separated from a second section in the same chronological order that is dedicated explicitly to ‘Reception’, thus making sure any engagement with Herodotus and his work is considered  —  that  every  little  bit  of  plankton  that  has  ever  emanated  from  the  enormous  iceberg  to  float  around  the  ocean  is  captured  by  the  mesh.  What  is  before  us  is  clearly  one  of  the  boldest  undertakings  in  Herodotean  scholarship  that has ever seen the light of day.
In the fifteenth century Herodotus met Hesiod and strolled through Ferrara with  him.  Or  rather,  this  is  what  Girolamo  Castelli,  later  the  medical  doctor  of  the Este family in Ferrara, envisioned in a poem that he wrote for his teacher of ancient  Greek,  Guarino  da  Verona.1  In  the  poem,  Herodotus  told  Hesiod  about  his work: the beginnings of great kingdoms, the damage they caused in his Asia, and what first led the barbarian hosts to Europe and involved the various forces in battles. Finally, he listed the rivers, peoples and places that he described in the Histories. Indeed, most recipients did not read Herodotus for his battle accounts or  his  judgement  on  the  Persian  war.  They  read  him  for  his  astounding  stories  about travels to unknown countries that reached the ends of the world. Just like Hesiod in Castelli’s poem, most readers found it hard to believe what Herodotus had to say about them. From Cicero onwards, he had the ambiguous reputation of  being  both  the  father  of  history  and  the  father  of  lies.  Accordingly,  the  term  ‘Liar School’ has earned itself its own entry in the Encyclopedia. In modern times, as  the  author  Melina  Tamiolaki  informs  us,  it  was  first  coined  by  W.  Kendrick  Pritchett  in 1993,  who  then  defended  Herodotus  against  this  unfavourable  image  (Encyclopedia,  p.  804).  Its  main  advocate  had  been  Detlev Fehling  who,  in  the  1970s  and  1980s,  argued  that  Herodotus  deceived  his  audience  through  fictitious  testimonies  and  witnesses.  Still,  the  issues  of  ‘Source  Citations’  as  well  as  ‘Deception’  and  ‘Reliability’  receive  their  own  entries  in  the  Encyclopedia  —  hence we may excuse the fact that we can only find the entry ‘Father of History’ (Cic. Leg. 1.5), while the term ‘father of lies’, which was added later by Jean Luis Vives,2 is omitted. It still seems like a legitimate approach to follow one’s curiosity and fascination for the other, the foreign and the barbarian. What is it, then, that our storyteller Herodotus said about peoples and their customs on the periphery? And what can we find out about it when consulting the Encyclopedia, even though this information earned Herodotus the reputation of being a notorious liar?
Browsing  the  Encyclopedia,  we  quickly  learn  some  astonishing  details,  such as that the Ethiopians owed their longevity (on average, 120 years) to a diet of boiled meat and milk, while the Persians were forced to eat themselves during their  failed  attempt  to  conquer  the  Ethiopians  —  just  look  up  ‘Anthropophagy’  and follow the threads. It is also fun to look up one of the best-known and most debated  passages  in  Herodotus’  Histories:  the  giant  gold-digging  ants  from  India  (3.102–5).  Since  the  story  is  very  much  worth  reading  in  the  Herodotean original,  Klaus  Karttunen,  the  author  of  the  entry  ‘Ants,  Giant’,  wisely  only  gives  a  very  short  summary.  What  he  provides  is  a  survey  of  the  attempts  to  explain  the phenomenon described by Herodotus that has made many scholars scratch their heads. According to Karttunen, ‘a number of theories have been proposed as explanation, but few seem convincing’ (Encyclopedia, p. 92). We get to know that  the  most  popular  was  proposed  by  the  Dano-French  geographer  Conrad  Malte-Brun  (1775–1826)  who  suggested  that  we  identify  the  ants  with  marmots.  Apparently,  he  had  already  found  himself  in  a  similar  situation  as  Karttunen:  ‘Si  l’on nous demandoit de faire un choix entre ces diverses explications, nous serions fort  embarrassés,  car  aucune  d’elles  n’est  exempte  d’objections  le  plus  graves;  nous sommes donc tentés d’en proposer une nouvelle dans laquelle on peut faire entrer ce que les autres offrent de plus plausible.’3 In the following, Malte-Brun carefully addressed  the  animals  as  certain  ‘quadrupèdes  qui  s’y  creusaient  des  terriers’4 and referred to an article on the travels of William Moorcroft, who among those animals that he had seen described one as being ‘de couleur fauve, deux fois gros comme un rat, ayant les oreilles plus longues, mais n’ayant pas de queue’. The question of whether these creatures should be identified with simple marmots is then discussed in a lengthy footnote.5 Karttunen does not seem convinced, as ‘it is not clear how peaceful marmots were turned into ferocious ants’. He prefers the sober explanation that it was ‘a story invented by traders bringing gold from Siberia or somewhere else in order to hide its real origin’ (Encyclopedia, p. 92). Going  through  the  original  Herodotean  text,  we  find  a  short  remark  at  the  end  saying  that  ‘this  is  how  the  Indians  mine  part  of  their  gold,  as  the  Persians  say’  (3.105.2). It was they who brought the difficult riddle into the world!
One famous passage that, from the Renaissance on, has often been cited to illustrate Herodotus’ technique of telling remarkable tales through the voices of other people is the story of King Mycerinus and his twenty wooden figures of concubines (2.129–131). Ian Moyer, in his entry on ‘Mycerinus’, appreciates the passage in a striking way: ‘In a moment of rational criticism, however, Herodotus points out that the hands of the statues lay on the ground nearby and had simply fallen off. The origin of these stories is uncertain, but they certainly show the extent to which Herodotus structured his account of Egypt around the monuments and material remains he saw’ (Encyclopedia, p. 944). The tension between uncertainty and certainty, even though it is sometimes difficult to bear, is part of the beauty of Herodotus’ writing.
Herodotus’  first  important  defender  against  the  critical  voices  who  had  damaged  his  reputation,  from  antiquity  on,  was  Henricus  Stephanus  (or  Henri  Estienne),  the  renowned  printer  from  Paris  who  published  his  Apologia pro Herodoto  in  1566  together  with  the  revised  Latin  translation  of  the  Histories  by Lorenzo  Valla.  Lacking  an  article  of  his  own,  he  is  mentioned  eight  times  in  the  Encyclopedia. He might surely have deserved more. A little more heart-warming is  the  treatment  of  the  next  big  figure,  who  revived  (or  should  we  even  say  reinvented?)  serious  Herodotean  scholarship  in  the  twentieth  century:  Arnaldo  Momigliano,  who  taught  us  to  read  the  Histories.  Not  only  can  the  scholar  who  coined  the  famous  phrase  ‘There  was  no  Herodotus  before  Herodotus’  boast  of  his own two-page entry (written by John Marincola), but he can also be seen face to face in a portrait illustration, from which he fixes the reader with his stern gaze (Encyclopedia,  p.  925).  Wearing  thick  glasses  and  a  large  collection  of  pens  in  his jacket pocket, he presents a constant reminder that Herodotus’ practices and methods  are  neither  entirely  known  to  us  nor  outdated.  This  is  one  of  fifty-four  illustrations  in  the  Encyclopedia  that  mostly  show  archaeological  findings,  such  as inscriptions, reliefs or vase paintings.
Maybe  it  is  a  matter  of  good  fortune,  after  all,  that  the  Encyclopedia, spanning  three  volumes,  is  so  expensive  that  it  will  only  be  bought  by  big  university libraries. That way, more readers will hopefully access the slightly more affordable  e-version  of  the  book  and  thereby  overlook  the  cover  illustration.  In  the  face  of  such  a  wealth  of  appropriate  illustrations,  we  may  wonder  why  it  prominently shows the naked body of the unnamed wife of King Kandaules from a seventeenth century Dutch oil painting by Eglon van Neer. True, the story was told  by  Herodotus  in  the  first  book  of  the  Histories  (1.8–13)  —  but  so  are  many  more. The Encyclopedia does not need to introduce itself with any illustration at all,  not  to  mention  one  like  this,  which  immediately  brings  to  the  fore  so  many  controversial  topics  that  go  far  beyond  Herodotus  and  his  fascinating  work.  Herodotus  was  not  a  schoolboy  eager  to  get  a  glimpse  at  a  female  body,  as  the  picture  suggests.  Herodotus  was  the  ‘Father  of  History’.  His  Encyclopedia  is  a  milestone.  It  will  be  helpful  to  students  and  teachers,  scholars  and  enthusiasts.  May it have many readers in the future. And may it show its readers the way to the original: Herodotus’ Histories: ‘2,500 years and still going strong’.
1 Sabbadini 1916: ii. 423, verses 11–18 (no 778A).
2  Vives 1612: ii. 87: Herodotus, quem verius mendaciorum patrem dixeris, quàm quomodo illum vocant nonnulli, parentem historiae (emphasis mine)
3 See Malte-Brun 1819: ii. 380 (‘If we were asked to choose between these various explanations, we would be greatly embarrassed, for none of them is free of the most serious objections; we are therefore tempted to propose a new one in which we can include what the others offer that is more plausible’).
4 Malte-Brun 1819: ii. 380 (‘Quadrupeds that dig themselves burrows there’).
5 See Malte-Brun 1819: i. 311–12 (‘of fawn colour, twice as big as a rat, having longer ears, but not having a tail’).
                                               Bibliography
Malte-Brun, Conrad (1819), Nouvelles annales des voyages, 2 vols. (Paris).
Sabbadini, Remigio (1916), Epistolario di Guarino Veronese, vol. 2 (Venice).
Vives, Jean Luis (1612), Libri XII De Disciplinis (London).
Source: https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/syllogos/article/view/92813/87445
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Dr. Maren Elisabeth Schwab (source: https://www.klassalt.uni-kiel.de/de/abteilungen/mlat/eschwab)
Very informative review of a monumental work! 
Moreover, I agree totally with Dr. Schwab that the cover illustration of the Encyclopedia is unfortunate. However, I think that her presentation of “Turkey and Greece” as Herodotus “home countries’ is also unfortunate: if Halicarnassus, a Greek colony on the SW coast of Asia Minor and Herodotus hometown, is now in Turkey, Herodotus was Greek and the term “Turkey” was unknown to him and to all his contemporaries (the Turks invaded Anatolia and reached the Aegean sea and Halicarnassus only 1500 years after Herodotus’ demise). I doubt, moreover, that Herodotus (a pre-Islamic pagan author, and a Greek one) is seen by most Turks today, whether they are Islamists or secular nationalists, as an important figure and part of their heritage. These remarks don’t mean of course that I reject contributions by Turkish scholars to the Herodotean studies.
I add also the observation that the characterization “father of lies” was not a creation of Vives, but of Plutarch (or perhaps Pseudo-Plutarch), who as Boeotian aristocrat was very angry at Herodotus because the latter described (correctly!) the shameful attitude of the Boeotian oligarchs during Xerxes’ invasion, but also because Herodotus would be philobarbaros (”barbarian lover’!). 
More particularly concerning the intriguing story with the giant ants to which Dr. Schwag refers with well justified humor, I will repeat here with some modifications what I had written in an older post of mine, because I think that it contains useful information about what important scholars said on this story and its context (https://aboutanancientenquiry.tumblr.com/post/651614780088598528/google-scholar-and-the-very-admirable-methodology ):
The story is reported in 3.103-104 of “Histories” and I will not reproduce it in its entirety here, as this would have made too long an already long text.
In summary, it is reported that there are in the desert of NW India ants of a size smaller than a dog, but larger than a fox, which are digging their dwellings under the ground, mounting thus up the sand of the desert, which is rich in gold. The Indians come with camels, they gather this sand, and they ride back the swiftest possible, as the ants are extremely fast and dangerous. This is how they obtain the gold which are obliged to send as tribute to the Great King of Persia.
Now, first of all Herodotus never says that he visited India and observed himself the giant ants. He attributes this story to the Persians (”as the Persians say”, and he specifies that some ants have been captured and brought to the Persian court, obviously according to his source). We have seen moreover that he has warned his audience that he includes in his work stories that he does not necessarily believe, although he finds that they must be recorded.
Secondly, India is for Herodotus and more generally for the Greeks of his time a part of the “fringes” of the world, a place so far away and so exotic that many extraordinary things may happen there and for which obviously there was not available much reliable information.
Thirdly, scholars have proposed some explanations for the origin of the story. Thus, the French ethnologist M. Peissel has recorded a tradition among tribal people in N. Pakistan, according to which their ancestors were collecting for generations the gold dust brought to the surface by marmots digging their burrows in the gold rich ground of the Deosai Plateau. For Peissel, Herodotus’ story with the giant ants may be the result of a confusion of his source, caused by the fact that the old Persian words for “marmot” and “mountain ant” sound similar, an explanation that a note of The Landmark Herodotus edition finds “ingenious and plausible”.
Other scholars (among them D. Asheri, p. 498-499 of the Oxford “Commentary on Herodotus Books I-IV” of Ashari-Lloyd-Corcella) link the giant ants story to folk tales about tresors guarded by dangerous fabulous animals and more particularly to the “gold of the ants” of the great Indian epic Mahabharata.
But let’s not lose from our sight what is more generally the Book III of “Histories”, in which the giant ants story is placed.
Book III, despite its part concerning geography and ethnography of the “fringes” of the known to the Greeks world, is not just or mainly a collection of marvels, fables, and fabulous stories about mythical animals, as some see more generally Herodotus’ work, and should not be judged exclusively or mainly on the basis of the story of the “giant ants”.
Book III is a work which covers events of great importance, which happened on three continents in the decade of 530-520 BCE. These are mainly the Persian conquest of Egypt, the subsequent entreprises and the “madness” of the Persian king Kambyses, his death and the usurpation of the throne by a Pseudo-Smerdis with the help of the Magi, the killing of Pseudo-Smerdis by a group of conspirators, the extremely important Constitutional Debate among the conspirators after the killing of the usurper, the crisis of the Persian Empire and its restabilization by Darius I, but also the rise and fall of Polycrates of Samos and of his “thalassocrassy” and the expansion of the Persian domination in the Eastern Aegean sea, which paved the way for the conflict between the Persian Empire and the city-states of continental Greece. It contains also rich information about the organization and administration of the Persian Empire and on the tributes of the subjugated peoples to the Great King of Persia.
According again to D. Asheri (Introduction to the Book III in the “Commentary” of Asheri-Lloyd-Corcella, p. 394) :
“Book III is therefore not only a masterpiece of ancient narrative art, but also an indispensable source for every historical reconstruction of the Persian Empire and of Eastern Aegean in the decade between 530 and 520 BCE. In all of ancient historiography there does not exist a work of superior or equal value. “
But I will close this review of a review by reproducing once more some very pertinent, true, and beautiful remarks of Dr. Schwab about the monumental Herodotus Encyclopedia: 
...the massive volumes, amounting to  1653  pages,  speak  for  themselves:  at  least  for  now,  Herodotean  studies  are  thriving. There are good reasons to toast his birthday.
...Herodotus  was  the  ‘Father  of  History’.  His Encyclopedia  is  a  milestone.  It  will  be  helpful  to  students  and  teachers,  scholars  and  enthusiasts.  May it have many readers in the future. And may it show its readers the way to the original: Herodotus’ Histories: ‘2,500 years and still going strong’
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Medieval peasants did not behave in a manner modern social scientists think of as optimal for their circumstances.
--Barbara A. Hanawalt, The Ties That Bound: Peasant Families in Medieval England.
(Dr. Hanawalt explains that there is no real evidence that English peasants were living in or even particularly acknowledging the existence of extended kinship groups in the 14th-15th century, no matter how much anthropologists think they should have been.)
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He is THE ideal man and I’ve been ensnared
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