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greenglowinspooks · 2 months

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(DCXDP) The obligations of a rogue versus those of a parent (Pt. 5)

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Tw: torture scene (GiW agent receiving), general angst, canon-typical violence (DC), nobody is having a good time

Will be crossposted to AO3 eventually

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It was pretty easy for Danny to forget that Dr. Crane was a rogue at times.

Most of the time he wasn’t comically evil, like what he’d expect of a Gotham rogue. He was helping Danny, even if only because he didn’t want to be taken in by the GiW as well. He was even downright nice most of the time, or at least neutral.

Sure, he had a strange obsession with fear and psychology, but that wasn’t really out of the ordinary for Danny. It didn’t feel like living with a rogue, just like…staying with a distant relative, or something.

He seemed like just an ordinary person.

Today, though, Danny was brought back to reality.

The GiW agent they’d tracked down together writhed on the ground, screaming in pain and terror. Scarecrow was sat a few feet away, setting up a syringe of the antidote he’d made.

After a few more moments, he injected the man with the antidote, watching him like a hawk the entire time.

Suddenly, the man surged forward, lunging at Scarecrow with a feral scream.

Unluckily for him, though, he was still weak from the fear toxin in his system, and from the beatings he’d received prior. Scarecrow easily wrestled him to the ground, settling himself on the broad part of the agent’s back with a vice grip on one of his arms.

“Let’s try again,” he said sharply, all of the warmth Danny had grown used to gone from his voice. “Where is the GiW base of operations?”

The agent took several shuddering breaths before spitting at Scarecrow, defiance and hatred written all over his face.

For just a moment, the room was utterly silent.

“Fine, have it your way.”

Scarecrow began to twist the man’s arm further. It wasn’t long before the agent began to squirm, then writhe, beneath him. Danny’s stomach churned.

“You know,” Scarecrow began, almost conversationally, “there are plenty of jobs that one can get without the use of their legs, especially with the level of education you have. Anything that doesn’t involve hard labor, really.”

The man’s face was beginning to turn red in his struggle not to scream. He took in gasping breaths, the way that his mouth moved almost reminding Danny of a goldfish.

(He felt awful for the comparison, but it was true.)

“However,” Scarecrow continued, “I find you’d be rather hard-pressed to find a job without the use of your arms. Especially in a place like Gotham, where you can always be replaced by someone eager to do your job for even less money. Of course, you could most likely coast off of savings and severance pay for a while, but…”

He leaned closer to the man’s head, his voice lowering.

“Would you be able to live like that? To live with yourself, if you no longer have a purpose?”

He allowed the agent a few seconds of rest before increasing the pressure on his arm. The agent gasped, letting out a strangled hiss. His arm bones were making fascinating noises in response to the strain. Danny felt sick.

“You seem like a rather driven young man. I’m sure your family would hate to see you unmotivated, directionless. Would they resent you, do you think?”

“Fuck you, you—”

The man was cut off by his own scream as Scarecrow finally allowed his arm to break, audibly splintering into thousands of useless shards of bone.

He had the exact pressure memorized. Clearly, he had done this before.

This was wrong. This was wrong.

Shouldn’t Danny step in, do something?

“That won’t heal cleanly. Even with the best medical care in the world, you’ll end up with permanent damage.”

The man below him wheezed and sobbed, choking on air as Scarecrow let go of his arm carelessly, letting it flop back onto the ground.

“Just the sort of thing something like you deserves,” Scarecrow hissed, his voice cold.

“You tortured a child, and you enjoyed it. You laughed with your friends about it. In your notes, one of your friends complained about the screaming,” Scarecrow brought his leg around, grinding his boot into the man’s broken arm. He howled in agony, writhing uncontrollably.

“Was it inconvenient to him, do you think? Too loud? If you were joking about it, clearly you thought so, too. I could fix that as well.”

He drew out another needle, this one once again filled with fear toxin.

“Scarecrow, wait,” Danny choked out.

Scarecrow turned to look at him.

Even his posture was different than usual. He looked… stiff, more like an animal than a man. When he tilted his head at Danny in a silent question, it looked like something in his neck had snapped, his head lolling to the side.

Danny wondered if he was consciously moving like that, or if it was habit at this point.

“You—we don’t have to do this. We can get information some other way, right? You don’t have to…”

Danny looked down at the GiW agent below Scarecrow. He didn’t even have it in him to glare up at Danny like he had before. Instead he laid limply on the ground, tremors rolling through his body uncontrollably.

“We’ve exhausted every other option and you know it,” Scarecrow said, his voice low, “this is the only way we can move forward.”

“Still, I—I don’t,” Danny swallowed, his throat tight, “this isn’t—this isn’t right. Isn’t there some other way to do this? Like—a truth serum, or something?”

“Truth serums are notoriously unreliable. They’re almost as bad as lie detectors. We’re much more likely to get a reliable result from this.”

Danny just stared at the GiW agent and his splintered, ruined arm. He began to weakly wriggle in Scarecrow’s grasp, which was graciously ignored.

He vaguely remembered himself doing the same thing when he was on the operating table; even if he knew there was no chance of escape, he still thrashed and screamed, desperate to get away. The jagged I-shaped incision on his torso felt uncomfortably warm.

What was there left to say?

“The Bat does the same thing at times, you know,” Scarecrow said, “him and the rest of his brood. By using my toxin, I’m actually lessening the amount of permanent damage that I’m doing. Physically.”

“Still, that doesn’t make it right,” Danny said desperately. “Even if—even if everyone in the world did this, it wouldn’t make it right.”

Scarecrow hummed.

They were both silent for a moment.

His next words were gentle, absurdly so when compared to the scene in front of him.

“I would love an alternative. But…”

He shrugged, hand coming to rest on the break in the GiW agent’s arm. Even without applying any pressure, the man stopped squirming immediately.

“There aren’t any other options,” Danny repeated, his voice flat and his body numb.

“Yes,” Scarecrow said. “I’m sorry.”

There was a pause. No one moved a muscle. Eventually Scarecrow spoke again, his voice strangely empty.

“You can stand outside and keep watch, if you’d like. At such a short distance their radars won’t pick us up.”

Danny said nothing, leaving the room silently.

He sat outside for quite a while.

He was grateful that Scarecrow had, with his help, dragged the agent to one of his previous hideouts. It was soundproofed, after all.

He was glad that he didn’t have to hear the rest of what Scarecrow did to the man.

After what felt like an eternity, Dr. Crane left the building, joining him outside. He guided Danny back to his beat up old truck and they drove home in silence.

“Did you at least…do you know where they are, now?” Danny asked as they entered the apartment, his voice small.

“They didn’t share the details of all of their locations with any one person. I know where one of their locations are, but not their main base of operations.”

Danny felt disgusted. With himself, with Dr. Crane, with the GiW.

He was disgusted by the agent, too. Did he just hate the restless dead so much that he would prefer to be tortured than to give them the upper hand? Did he really think he was in the right?

Was there a chance that he was?

Danny felt very, very small, and very stupid. Stupid and weak and cowardly.

“Danny,” Dr. Crane spoke, his voice soft.

“I’m truly sorry that this is happening to you. I really, truly wish that you didn’t have to endure my company. I…”

He fell quiet. Danny wondered if he was just saying this to pacify him, or if he truly meant it. He wondered if it really mattered in the end.

After a few moments of silence, Dr. Crane sighed, looking truly pained.

“I don’t know. I’m sorry.”

Danny was quiet.

“I’m going to bed early,” he finally said, turning away and leaving without a second glance.

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#dcxdp #dc x dp #dp x dc #dpxdc #dp x dc crossover #dc x dp fic #liminal scarecrow #this kinda shit is how the fic got its name btw.#like yeah obviously it’s also in reference to the contrast between crane and danny’s actual parents #but it’s also about doing what you need to survive vs what is best for the people dependent on you #tshirt that says I love moral quandaries I love when no matter what you do you lose I love torturing characters #Scarecrow: why isn’t torturing everyone who wronged you healing this child. it worked for ME #meanwhile Danny is undergoing the torment nexus #and red hood is doing some doomguy shit #getting swarmed by GiW agents bc he’s one of the only ones showing up on the radar #Tucker voice Wow Mr red hood this is kinda fucked up. can I use the bat computer to hack the pentagon btw

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comradekatara · 2 months

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i’ve always kind of assumed that lo and li are azulon’s younger twin sisters and that’s why they were foisted off on azula, because she’s also a younger sister to the crown prince. but the fact that we never actually see them firebend is strange, because it implies either that nonbenders are instructing one of the greatest firebenders in the world, or that they are firebenders who simply do not firebend. and i think that the latter is more interesting, because it reflects how their position as elderly women devalues any firepower they might provide to the empire, passive and subdued even as they train ozai’s favorite weapon.

they are the ones to most overtly illustrate azula’s precarious relationship to femininity, after all. for example, noting the position of her hair after she successfully lightningbends in “the avatar state,” or emphasizing azula’s beauty when they introduce her in “the awakening.” and it’s clear that azula doesn’t really like them, dismisses and avoids them whenever she gets the chance. she can’t even tell them apart. their very existence is almost a humiliation. a reminder to azula that this is who she is destined to become once she lives past her usefulness. not the imperious azulon, her namesake, raised above on a fiery dais, but his sisters, insignificant and functionally powerless.

so of course “almost isn’t good enough,” of course “one hair out of place” is a failure. the only way azula can prove her worth to the empire she has devoted her entire self to in a way that matters is, perhaps, by being perfect, by being better and stronger than the discarded women who came before her. but that, too, is a delusion, that any amount of excellence will reward her in a way that compensates for the erosion of her very humanity. and yet, it’s all she has to cling to. so she gives it her all to excel within a system that will never really care about her because she has deliberately been made incapable of imagining an alternative. of simply recognizing the system for the failure that it is, conceptualizing a world beyond the bars of her gilded cage, and leaving.

#SHES SO ANTHYCODED 😭😭😭😭#azula #lo and li #azula&ozai #azulon #analysis #and someday together we’ll shine… if you even care .#this was supposed to be a 2 sentence post about lo and li btw 🥴#ALSO to be clear im not shaming her for not leaving #azula has no concept of ‘leaving’ that is not a) in disgrace or b) in a bodybag #im saying that she CANT because ozai’s psychological and physical abuse is so potent and effective #and that’s not her fault at all #just to be clear #in my mind i am so anthypilled that im like yeah everyone understands the mechanisms and psychology of abuse #what it means to be end of the world #and also just how azula has completely internalized the logic that the only way to survive is within this framework #she’s not weak or foolish for not being able to imagine a different path #which is very obvious to me. but i realized that might not be obvious to everyone. so.

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sesamenom · 23 days

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maglor's first time getting to go to a concert / his favorite singer attending maglor's first big concert

#silm #silmarillion #maglor #i didnt feel like inventing a name for the band so their name is just Band in tengwar #im pretty sure band means something in sindarin anyways (as in angband)#btw i have decided the band guy is named #moredhel #hes a feanorian and later a captain of maglors guard in the Gap #and yes he still dresses up like mandos for the bonus intimidation factor in battle #maglor's horses are the least easily spooked in all of beleriand because his army is half singers and all very screamy #only a few of them do the full feanturian look tho #it's very effective because everyone is scared of mandos #ranging from the people who actually know him being somewhat weirded out by his whole prophecy thing #to people who only know his reputation being absolutely terrified #maybe theres one feanturian warrior who specifically dresses as one of irmo's maia #and who specializes in those weird Songs that make people see the events of the song #ooh maybe moredhel survives to the third age and lives in rivendell #he doesn't normally wear the feanturi makeup anymore and basically nobody born post-darkening remembers feanturian-emo/goth subcultures #so when he does put the feanturian mask and makeup on half the house starts screaming about mandos #elrond unfortunately has to deal with it #at least he's causing less trouble than ''''Lindir''''

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ghost-bxrd · 9 days

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Going for a bit more angst in the Calvin and Dick were friends angle....

What if Calvin resents Dick?

Dick was supposed to be the one taken, Calvin might have been spared all the hell he went through - he was taken instead of Dick.

Dick escaped. He got adopted by a billionaire. He has a family, has a happy life (wonder whether Calvin will be more or less resentful if he knows about the Batfam stuff...)

And Calvin had to take his place as the Court's pawn...

In the comics it’s actually a whole thing that Calvin went willingly with the Court. (But he was like— eight, so they baited him with promises of grandeur and “helping” Gotham.) And for the longest time he didn’t hate the Court or what they did, even believed in their ideals. (Until they wanted him to go and kill a young mother and her two year old daughter at which point he noped the hell out.)

It’s a huge part of Calvin’s character that he’s got a very strong moral compass and, on multiple occasions, decides to throw himself directly into the line of fire to save even his enemies if he feels like they’ve been manipulated/hurt/lied to.

So for him to hate Dick, something would have had to happen beforehand. Maybe some kind of argument that ended with Dick saying something really hurtful— that he never got to apologize for before Calvin went with the Court.

But essentially with his character as it is, I don’t think he’d ever wish what happened to him on anybody. Least of all someone he cares/cared about. For all he knows, Dick lucked out and never had to see the truly dark side of humanity. And his mere presence in Dick’s life may end up destroying that.

#Calvin’s got issues it’s a whole thing #poor guy is an escape artist and perpetually afraid he’ll be the death of everyone he loves #and he’s too sweet for his own good #bro empathized with another talon enough to turn him in their side #while that talon was actively jamming a knife into his shoulder btw #bro’s survival instincts just don’t got the new update yet #he’s running solely on ‘protect friends and family’ software #Calvin rose #dick grayson #talon #court of owls

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pkmncenterguy · 1 month

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Power Seal?

what's that?

Ever wonder why you hear ancient stories about wild raging tyranitar burning villages to the ground, but in trainer battles on tv, a well trained lycanroc can get hit by a hyper beam from one and still be standing? Type advantage aside, thats thanks to power seals!

A standard diagram of a heal ball here. The blue rim, in different colors but in all pokeballs, is where your power seal is. PSA: If you ever notice a crack in that, GO TO YOUR NEAREST POKEMON CENTER IMMEDIATELY! Trade machines can exchange the same pokemon to another empty pokeball, and if you tell a nurse joy its because the seal is broken they’ll transfer your pokemon to a new pokeball for free

But anyway, power seals do exactly what it sounds like: they limit the power of a pokemon’s moves, so that in battles you can only ever knock out your opponents pokemon, and that a trainer’s togedemaru shocking you on accident wont literally kill you. Some people forget because they grow up around pokemon owned by trainers, but wild pokemon are way stronger than we give them credit for. Seriously, we don’t tell kids to avoid the tall grass for nothing. A power seal on your pokeball breaking means your pokemon is suddenly at its full power and very likely to actually hurt other pokemon in battles, so you need to get the pokeball replaced immediately

And if it worries you, pretty much all wild pokemon are aware that being caught means their power being limited, even if they don’t know exactly how. Thats why even the sweetest wild garchomp you have a bond to likely won’t just agree to be caught, lots of pokemon want a battle before you can catch them because they want you to prove you’re stronger than the power they’d be giving up

#if you listen closely you can hear me go into educator mode #but seriously it does worry me how rare this knowledge is in the general population because its SO important to know #most people are just told ‘if the line on your pokeball ever cracks go get it replaced’ but they dont understand the urgency #its a whole thing and you get treated to me rambling #pokemon irl #rotomblr #pkmn irl #lore #//enjoy: my copious headcanons on why ash can survive getting thunder bolted by pikachu #//and why everyone in pokemon legends arceus is freaking out about how dangerous pokemon are all the time #//professor laventon is afraid of handling a rowlet wrong. clearly theres something we dont know #//btw!! this is free to reblog and use! add ur own stuff have fun w it

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self-spaghettification · 8 months

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#POOF🧚‍♀️🦄💐🌸💫🍀#hes the one starting the apocalpyse u have to survive too btw #the dragon prince #aaravos #this man has got to be so dissociated or at the very least emotionally detached from reality after centuries alone #and millennia before that watching empires rise and fall and everyone you loved dying #anyway 😘#in case it wasn’t clear 🧎‍♂️#POOF #tdp meme #tdp #self spaghettification #tdp crack

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heyclickadee · 10 months

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On the one hand, I’m fully expecting some kind of Tech hints in the trailer at this point. They were (are) using the fakeout to (successfully) generate discussion, especially among more casual fans, and that would absolutely kick the discussion up another notch, especially after a long hiatus.

On the other hand, I don’t think we’re going to get a trailer until about a month before season three comes out, and that could be anywhere between five and eighteen months from now.

#the bad batch #especially if it’s delayed (depends on if recording finished for everyone before the strike)#I sort of hope it is so that the cast and crew get paid better for it when it does come out #but also I need it now Disney pay your people I swear to God #yes I’m still talking about Tech’s survival as a matter of fact #I’ll stop when they give me a good reason not to #‘because sad’ and ‘stakes’ aren’t good reasons btw

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kurozu501 · 6 months

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the thing that really bothers me about the whole demon racism thing in Frieren is the extremely heavy handed flashback we get justifying Frieren's prejudice. its a whole ridiculous series of events that make no sense. Felt like some gross propaganda.

Lemme break it down real fast: in the past Frieren and her pals came to a town where a demon in the shape of a young girl attacked and killed a child. They defeated it in battle, but Himmel was hesitant to kill it because it looked like a kid and called out 'mother.' The village chief then comes in and says that killing the demon will make them just as bad as them, and that they should offer her a chance at redemption. Some time passes with the demon girl living with the chief and his daughter peacefully before suddenly one night she kills the chief. She presents the chief's unconscious daughter to the parents of the girl she killed saying she wanted to get them a replacement child. Himmel and Frieren kill her, Fireren explains that demons don't even have families so her calling out 'mother' was just a manipulation tactic. which the dying demon girl confirms is correct.

So,

2 things

Why the fuck did the chief come in saying they had to give the demon a chance when she'd already murdered someone? Why was everyone besides Frieren and the dead kids parents just cool with letting a child murderer get off scott free and walk around their town with no consequences? Generally we don't even let human child murderers do that, so its frankly bizarre. If you want to prove demons are fundamentally evil wouldn't it make more sense to start with a demon who hasn't yet committed any crime? Then the chief sticking up for it would feel logical. Whole thing makes no sense except to demonize (lol) the very concept of redemption. No you stupid fucking idiot you should have used extreme violence and murder every time always. its always justified, learn your lesson kids and if you see one of the Evil Races walking around remember its always ok to lynch them.

What the fuck is the demon child doing here? Her actions make no sense. Frieren says that demons are basically just intelligent predators, that they only use speech and social customs to manipulate humans and prey on them. So why on earth did the demon kid murder the chief while Himmel and squad were still in town? Why'd she have a weird fixation on getting the parents a new kid? Almost as if she was trying to make up for what she'd done to them in a twisted way, as if she felt bad? This seems to imply the opposite of what Frieren said. While watching i assumed what would happen is that Frieren would tell Himmel and the group that they should pretend to leave the village, then double back whereupon they'd find the demon going on a rampage again, since she would assume its now safe to do so with them gone. i assumed that because it would make sense. but nah. instead we get this really nonsensical series of events that clearly exists only to prove frieren's bigotry right. Demon girl is so ridiculous she literally uses her last words to be like "btw this lady who killed me was right you should never trust filthy demons like meeee." Give me a break.

#btw i do understand that the demon girl trying to 'get them a new daughter' was meant to show that she doesnt really understand human value #i do get that #its meant to show how inhuman and scary she is #but even something inhuman should have some logic and a drive to survive behind it #in what universe would anyone assume committing another murder while the ppl who nearly killed you are still here would work out well #if she's a predator wouldn't she be trying to find a way to prey on ppl without getting herself killed?#you'd think she'd kill the chief in secret at least and try to hide the body #not light his house on fire in front of everyone?#and again the whole 'get them a new daughter' thing. why would she fixate on that. why would she care #she already got off scott free for her crime. so why would she feel like trying to 'make amends' with the parents is even necessary #whole thing makes no sense when you think about it for more then a minute #frieren: beyond journey's end #criticism

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ode2rin · 5 months

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hello friends i'm currently fighting for my life (i'm 20 pages in out of 182 pages readings for ONE major subject, i have 2 more papers, and 7 powerpoints to study before friday) stay tuned whether i'll make it out alive ヽ(o´3`o)ﾉ

#i'll be rb-ing good luck posts guys i badly need them #btw #i see ur asks !! so thoughtful and sweet :((#also the comments and rbs thank u :(#i'll get back to everyone soon !! (if i survive 🤣😔)#mimi rambles ᐢᗜᐢ

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goldenstarprincesses · 6 months

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I really like amechu

But honestly never been a big fan of the way the fandom interprets it? like, the fandom basis it off a grossly incorrect understanding of geo-politics and how debt works

Always seems to make America out to be a stupid dumb child nee 2012 fandom style. All while also making China into a one dimension wicked villain who sexually takes advantage of the innocent young America

Idk gives me the ick

#btw the majority of the federal governments debt is to the American people. Pls I beg everyone to read up on how a nations debt works #out of all the things the fandom kept from the 2012ish era of fanfiction why did this one survive lol #honestly if we wanted to basis it on how international affair's between the nations actually is..#it would be super interesting #America and China have a very complex relationship and have had one for a long time #hws america #hws china #nyo america #nyo china #historical hetalia #amechu #hetalia #hws #aph #rant #hetalia rant

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everytingbagl · 3 months

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yes im mentally ill yes i have an IS obsession. and what about it!!

#everyone say good job beiguo 🔫#braving nature 10 baybee‼️‼️#arknights #bagel babble #long tips/opinions in the tags:#reed alter is my number one starter pick bc she heals and does good damage!! if u need a friend support for her feel free to dm #i bring the medic/sniper squad for her bc theres a chance she’ll b auto promoted altho this run i didnt get lucky w that #but also good heals are very important in is4 #much more than in is3 i think #elemental not so important but just pure healing #i think at least one good fast redeploy is necessary esp for clearing tiles on the boss stage #texalter stun also saved my ass frequently in challenge stages #eyja is almost a must imo #aoe is superr important and it helps to have her early on but u can survive without her for a bit if u have reed e2 #lava is a good budget pick for the early game #i have beaten the normal ending w caster/specialist squad but it was only braving nature 1 so idk if it holds up for higher difficulties #but im sure its viable #i did also beat braving nature 3 with no casters so #blockers r also important btw bc they have a few stages with a shit ton of civvies that need identification #also orchids slow saved my ass. ok thats all i got i think #good luck gamers hope this helps #i think getting here took me like 3-4 days. i really do have obsession

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hiveswap · 11 months

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the person running the reading order website said that the full context of the crossover events makes the things im actually interested in better. So now I am meant to be reading inhumans and xmen. While the last time we left off Nova's series he was dying again

#i want to give a shit about xmen because my mom likes the films #i knoooow hes going to survive for the fourt god damn time but i hate cliffhangers #he survived a planet being wrecked and literally everyone dying. then he got burned into a raisin. then he got robot disease. that sucked.#then he lost his powers which will apparently also kill him but it wont #also the guardians are still off in like 3 splinter groups causing wars awakening dead gods and arguing with space catholics respectively #btw the racoon has the most braincells and i think hes the only one who actually really likes being in the team. it is kinda cute actually #marvelcomics

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joyflameball · 5 months

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Anyway I think once Wendy found out who Maxwell is she'd like. Latch onto him hard. Like she's clearly got attachment issues (refusing to move on from abby or let her fade away), she's already lost most of her family (abby dead, her parents in the real world), so discovering someone related to her was right there this whole time would def cause her to attach herself bad. This could also give her conflicted emotions, considering that Maxwell still dragged her here, most likely dragged her there with the promise of getting Abby back. Her fucking uncle dragged her into the Constant when she was in a desperate position. Many such cases

#dst #cassie rambles #wendy and maxwell could also be like. anxious attachment style vs avoidant attachment style #maxwell not wanting people to get close because of what happened with charlie + just not liking being around people #vs wendy clinging on desperately to the last living member of her family she has left #you get it. you get me #don't starve #i think that. wendy found out who maxwell was first #like i don't think maxwell. like. in his final speech he mentions that time moves different #i interpret it as ''time moves slower in hte constant''#so it's been way longer for him #so he barely would remember wendy and there's no indication he knew her dad was jack #i mean. i feel like if he realized his fucking brother was there. he would have a bit of a Moment #so. wendy found out they were related before maxwell did #i don't think she'd tell him at first. how the fuck are you supposed to break that to someone?#''hey. i'm your niece. i'm the kid of your brother who you haven't seen in eons. he's my dad. you're my uncle. btw.''#they're tryna SURVIVE here they don't have time for intense emotional moments over discovering their relation #(plus in the fanfic in my head she found out like. at the same time as a betrayal + losing the codex + wilson fucking died kinda)#(so like. there was a lot going on let's not spring that on everyone as well)#however thsi would probably eat her alive.#i imagine in my brain at some point she finally breaks down begging maxwell to explain why he dragged her into the constant #when he KNEW her because he KNEW they were related and he KNEW who her dad was and HE'S her uncle william SHE'S wendy carter you KNOW me yo #DO YOU SEE MY VISION #I'M NORMAL #PLEASE BELIEVE ME #wendy getse to have an emotional breakdown over her family. maxwell gets to freak the fuck out at wendy being his niece #fun for everyone!#anyway. KLEI PLEASE GIVE US MORE ON THE INTERESTING FAMILY STUFF #GIVE ME MORE WINONA AND CHARLIE GIVE ME MORE MAXWELL AND WENDY #PLEASE I'M STARVED

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xxlovelynovaxx · 9 months

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Ah. "Animals rights" bullshit okay. Being animals that are not obligate herbivores and eating the flesh of other animals because of it is "oppressing" non-human animals. And they called out my comparing it to anti-choicers because "murder is different than death" okay well anti-choicers think abortion is murder. I don't happen to consider a human killing an animal for food murder any more than I consider an animal killing another animal for food murder, especially when as you pointed out yourself some people can't survive without meat.

Or is it a contract killing/hit on every animal You've ever eaten to survive? Are you just not a murderer because you paid not to get your hands dirty?

Like yeah it's fucking NATURAL. Humans aren't some wondrous ascended beings that don't crawl through the dirt. We fuck and fight and survive and yes, part of that survival for many is KILLING.

And it's good that you don't think people should be forced onto veganism because that would be as bad as the people who want to force all animals to eat synthetic meat and hunt via robots or whatever but my gods can you imagine telling someone who has been a vegetarian by choice for years for animal WELFARE purposes (not rights) who is vegan for disability reasons that they are "justifying the oppression of animals" and "killing animals for food is murder" when you literally can't go vegan for health reasons yourself? Okay murderer. Guess your life matters more than those oppressed animals.

Like sorry I'm going full "you're an asshole and I despise you and I'm genuinely sorry for myself that I thought we could be friends".

Like yeah the anti-choicer metaphor wasn't perfect. But it also got you to cut right to the heart of the matter. You are so divorced from humans as part of the ecosystem and food chain you genuinely believe we have some moral duty to not kill animals (but only animals, not plants or fungi, which are also living and have some measure of sentience) and to hold ourselves separate from the biosphere to the greatest extent possible.

That's just ecofascism 101. Are we gonna do the "any form of hunting or land management, even responsibly by indigenous stewards using traditional practices is bad" next? Or are we gonna avoid that one because you hopefully know better than THAT and simply think that removing humans from ONLY one part of the consumptive chain is ✨different✨?

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Also where does "choosing to die" come in to this? I wasn't talking about euthanasia, I was talking about withdrawing the life support provided by a human body if the owner of that body stops consenting to providing it, therefore depriving a fetus dependent on that life support for survival of said survival. I'm pretty sure the fetus doesn't have a choice in the matter. (Whether or not it's "alive" doesn't have much to do with anything since it's been made pretty clear that medical autonomy in terms of mandated use of your body's parts or resources is unethical at ANY point. Even if you ARE killing it, we've determined that's the most ethical option.)

Also if we're going to make bullshit oppression claims why don't we talk about transspecies people who are obligate carnivores?

#literally I'm not a fucking legalist but no I don't believe murder in the sense of nonconsensual killing is always wrong #like self defense. hello.#like maybe my moral system is just built different but to call it oppression and make me out to be some kind of bigot?#come on. that's bullshit and you know it.#we're literally not talking about rights being taken away. also this is why animal welfare is such a better concept than animal rights #stop anthropomorphizing animals!! stop treating them like furry humans that can't speak!!#literally somehow both a veganism centrist and an 'animal rights' person at once #go yell at people for literally having a moral-spiritual belief system that encompasses eating animals as neutral somewhere else #oh and btw don't EVER fucking moralize any kind of food related consumption around me again that goes for everyone #meat is neutral. sugar is neutral. artificial sweeteners are neutral. preservatives are neutral. plants are neutral. fish are neutral. etc #some of these may be unhealthy for a given individual and their production under capitalism may be fucking harmful #but conceptually they are neutral and there are ways of making them physically so by changing the harmful systems #you can keep feeling bad about your oppression of poor animals or w/e. or maybe you don't feel bad idk #I happen to find that far more harmful than humans who want or need to eat meat - doing so - will ever be #thanks for the mask off moment where you decided it was actually okay to moralize food and survival #I'm so happy to say goodbye forever #(note: if you know who this is don't fucking harass them. I have them blocked and am being a bit nasty *bc* they can't see it)#(I don't want them to suffer. I just think they're a monumental asshole. gods know I'm one too.)#(let people be assholes 2k23 lol)

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