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10 years of TWS - classic catws fanart queues for @catws-anniversary
Check out the queues I've made for this excellent event by @sparkagrace and @cable-knit-sweater! Prompt links are tag searches in my blog, so more and more will show up as we move into the week, and the queues grow.
March 26 prompt queues - theme: on your left - the smithsonian - first meetings - endurance - mission - "I'll put it on the list" - ptsd - the smithsonian - catws quotes
March 27 prompt queues - theme: steve rogers - camp lehigh - elevator - motorcycle - steve's list - "It kind of feels personal" - favorite steve quote
March 28 prompt queues - theme: shield - the triskelion - compromised - surprise visit - neighbor - weapons - "It's called compartmentalization" - favorite scene
March 29 prompts - theme: natasha romanoff - mall - disguise - redemption - matchmaking - trust issues - "Did I step on your moment?" - nat quotes (i don't have a favorite)
March 30 prompts - theme: tws cast - press conference - character bleed - photoshoot - social media - stunts - behind the scenes - "I'll take this one" - favorite cast member
March 31 prompts - theme: sam wilson - VA - partners - soundtrack/music - wings - missing scenes - "I never said *pilot*" - favorite sam quote
April 1 prompts - theme: hydra - lemurian star - project insight - politics - STRIKE - post-credit scenes - "Order comes through pain" - favorite catws fight - all catws fights
April 2 prompts - theme: bucky barnes - bank - metal arm - memories - ghost story - revenge - "But I knew him" - favorite bucky quote
April 3 prompts - theme: cap quartet - washington DC - breakfast - bedside vigil - uniform - found family - "When do we start?" - favorite duo
April 4 promts - theme: to the end of the line - helicarrier - 1940s - devotion - identity porn - reunion - "Schoolyard and battlefield" - favorite stucky scene
My extra catws10 prompts:
On this date in catws history
Specific scenes reimagined
He calls it warpaint audrey
New 2024 catws fanart
All catws10 stucky fanart
PS. Be aware, this is a Stucky blog, so occasional Stucky and Stucky-adjacent shipping may occur ;-) Filter #stucky fanart and #stucky+ fanart, if you no like.
@catws-anniversary it's ready :-)
#catws vault#catws fanart through the years#catws fanart 2014#i love this event#everyone is so talented and insightful#catws 10th anniversary#catws10 event#masterpost
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I think my biggest issue with the way that Bucky’s trauma was handled in FATWS was that it focused entirely on the bad things he did as the Winter Soldier and at no point brought up the torture and abuse he was subjected to during his 70+ years as a prisoner of war. Addressing Bucky’s feelings of guilt is fine. That’s something that previous movies established, and of course it’s a part of the healing process. The problem is that every single time we see or hear about Bucky’s time with Hydra, it only ever references the parts where the Winter Soldier did something bad.
CATWS and CACW both showed the Winter Soldier doing bad things, and CACW even touches on Bucky’s guilt over it. The difference is that they also made sure to show the abuse Bucky was subjected to (the bank vault scene in TWS and the opening scene of CW for example). So yes, we know that the Winter Soldier was a ruthless assassin, but we also know that Bucky was subjected to horrific torture and stripped of his agency in order to make the Winter Soldier be that way. FATWS just glosses over all of that. The only scene we get (and it’s a great scene, to be fair) that addresses the horror of Bucky’s treatment by Hydra is the flashback to him in Wakanda when the triggers are finally removed. But then that scene feels really out of place when the rest of the series presents Bucky’s past as though it was something he had some sort of active choice in. I mean, one of the main plot points of the show involves Super Soldier Serum, and yet never once is it acknowledged that Bucky’s serum was the result of non consensual experimentation being done on him. It’s a perfect opportunity to address the complex feelings Bucky must have about it and they just waste it.
At the end of the day, it really flies in the face of the foundations set by the previous movies. Bucky is a victim, that’s clear, so why does FATWS feel the need to act like he has some responsibility for what happened to him? Why did they decide that when it comes to their character suffering from PTSD, they were only going to focus on how potentially dangerous he is? It’s just flat out poor writing tbh.
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Do you think Bucky ever got any sleep during all his years of Hydra captivity? Or was it just wipe/kill/back in the freezer? I don't think cryostasis would be anything like normal restorative REM sleep.
Hello nonnie!! I have finally had a light-bulb moment for this ask (I'm sorry it's taken me like 7 months)
I've been going about it the wrong way, trying to research on sleep, when in actuality what I should have been researching is the brain under hypothermia. This is an observational study conducted in the 1980s looking at children undergoing induced hypothermia (lowering of body temperature) during cardiopulmonary bypass (sometimes required during major surgery). In summary, by the time the body temperature cooled to 18 degrees, all brain activity ceased. Sleep - consisting of non-REM and particularly REM - are associated with far more active brain waves. So nonnie, you are very correct in saying that Bucky, even with his super soldier abilities, unlikely ever got any "sleep" during cryostasis. (I'm sorry to all the ficcers that wrote Bucky dreaming during cryo but I think most people are happy to ignore this piece of science)
In terms of whether Bucky ever got "sleep", I think that is hard to say. Even normal soldiers might drive themselves to go without sleep for 36+ hours if required for a mission (heck, even hospital shifts go for 36 hours in some places). As a super soldier, Bucky might tolerate sleep deprivation for longer. This means missions like taking out the Starks - travelling from Russian and back - he might achieve in one sitting without sleeping in between (although I guess no one can stop him from dozing off on the plane).
I think one implied part of your question is "is it likely that Bucky was allowed out of the freezer for long enough periods at a time to need (and get) sleep"? I feel like that is unlikely, judging from the "he's been out of cryo for too long" line from CATWS. The timeline goes: day 1 Bucky makes assassination attempts daytime + night time against Fury / day 2 Steve makes a run down to Jersey arriving there at night / day 3 Bucky attacks Steve on the causeway and then we get the nighttime vault scene where Bucky is "unstable". Even if we add a day or two prior to allow for prepping, that still means Bucky becomes "unstable" and questions his identity within a bare week of being out of cryo.
Credit @lost-shoe (this post)
Now onto the angst...we know anaesthetics is not like restful sleep, so theoretically neither is cryostasis. While the science of cryostasis doesn't exist at the moment, we know from artificial hypothermia in surgical situations that it puts incredible stress on the body and all its organs. Looking at the laboratory derangements during hypothermia it looks like it pushes the body over to anaerobic metabolism and causes lactate to go up. You know when you go for a run and your muscles cramp up because you haven't warmed up enough? That's because your muscles have produced too much lactate from anaerobic metabolism. So...no wonder Bucky can't stand when he comes out of the cryo chamber. It also increases one's bleeding risk and reduces one's healing speed, so take of that what you will for your Whumptober prompts 😂
I also wonder whether, because the brain is not receiving any REM sleep during cryo, it means Bucky has been in a constant state of sleep deprivation for the last 70 years. The theory of "prefrontal vulnerability" in sleep deprivation proposes that functions like language, executive functions, divergent thinking, and creativity are particularly affected, so that can contribute to Bucky's inability to process/produce complex language and his slowness when it comes to working through complex problems. It also has significant effect on memory and attention: it's interesting to note that during sleep deprivation of more than 35 hours, they found that while free recall was affected, recognition was not. (Disclaimer for science: small sample size, opposite result for subjects with sleep deprivation ~24 h).
So yeah, I think there are practical reasons why Hydra would not allow Bucky to have restorative sleep between missions. Consolidation of long term memory (i.e. transferring them from short term storage into long term storage) usually happens during sleep which means it is quite likely Bucky remembers only broken bits of his time (if at all) in the last 7 decades.
#bucky barnes#bucky barnes meta#medical meta#bucky barnes: where the angst that keeps on angsting#asks#i hope you get to see this nonnie! i'm so sorry for the long wait
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Hot take but the more I think about it the more I reckon they should've left the Russian aspect out of the Winter Soldier in the MCU.
I know it's a part of the comics, and the name is meant to evoke the Cold War (Russian, Winter), but IMO it better suits the ‘Gitmo Army brat’ Bucky of the comics than the ‘Arnie Roth’ Bucky of the MCU; it doesn't fit with the MCU's specific backstory parameters. (Plus conflating Russian/KGB with SHIELD/Hydra just muddies the waters, for no particular purpose.)
Examples:
If Bucky was tortured by Nazi doctors in Russia it would've been under Operation Osoaviakhim, not Paperclip.
It doesn't make sense that Russians would name him after an American's quote about America. That's the exact opposite of what Russians would do.
Whereas it’s exactly what Americans would do if he was in American hands when the WS was created (ie. from early on). If comics!Steve can quote Mark Twain it doesn’t make sense that people don’t recognise a Thomas Paine reference in-universe.
It doesn't make any sense, logistically, that the WS is tortured and operated on by Zola, who is in America (and stays there until he dies), unless the WS is also in America from early on.
(Per Agent Carter) It also doesn’t make any sense that the man who created the WS mind-control techniques -- Doctor Fennhoff/Faustus -- is working for the SSR in America, with Zola, if the WS himself is not also in America when those techniques are implemented.
(And we know that that tech stayed in America, not Russia, because in the Black Widow movie the Red Room had to go undercover in Ohio just to steal it, and this was in 1995!)
It seems significant that we only see the WS in Siberia a mere 10 days before the Dissolution of the Soviet Union (and Howard Stark knew about him / recognised him instantly, and called him Sergeant Barnes, like Zola did.)
It doesn't make sense that the WS is shown being conveniently stored in a local urban bank vault in Washington, DC... but was previously shoved hundreds of miles out of the way, in the Siberian wilderness, where it would've been a massive pain in the ass for any American Hydra to get hold of him.
(And if they did, for some reason, want to massively inconvenience themselves just for a cold-name’s sake, why not Canada or Alaska?)
It doesn't make sense that MCU WS is shown exclusively speaking English to the American Hydra agents who have control of him in the present day... but then all his control-words were in Russian and suddenly he speaks only Russian to handlers before this... And yet, he’s back to speaking English again in the flashbacks from TFATWS?? 🤦♀️
IMO it would've just been simpler and more straight-forward if it was just Nazis who found Bucky at the bottom of the ravine, not Russians (might even explain why he didn't escape, post-fall but pre-brain damage; he would've been thinking he'd get repatriated pretty soon, when the war's over... and he's kinda right 😭).
And it would ram home the 'we were the ones doing wrong' horror of CATWS, if Bucky had just been on US soil the entire time and nobody good knew.
Possible scenario:
The Russians who found Bucky wounded in WWII handed him over to the Americans, since the war wasn’t over yet and the two sides were ‘officially’ still allies. (And/or because they didn’t realise what they had, and/or he was part of some POW exchange deal.)
By the time Stark, Carter & Phillips found out, they had already hired Zola and Fennhoff.
They intended to use Bucky to reboot the eugenicist supersoldier program and also experiment in the field of mind control (a la Project Artichoke, MK/Ultra etc.) Which they knew people would object to, so they kept Bucky’s recovery quiet from the other Commandos, his family, etc.
SHIELDra had Bucky in America all along, and the whole Russian Boogeyman / Russian weapons thing was just a cover so that Hydra Demagogues could blame every WS hit on the USSR, and thereby drum up convenient anti-Communist hysteria during the Cold War.
(After scientists were sent there to work under Operation Osoaviakhim, Hydra grew slowly in Russia -- with the rise of (anti-Communist) capitalism, and with Fascism being typically the resort of anti-authority criminal classes. Hydra ideology flourished much more quickly in the US (where it would be conformist-authoritarian, not anti-authoritarian), because the US was already capitalist, and had already been doing Hydra eugenic science like Project Rebirth, back in WWII.)
Being a greedy liar and a thief, Howard Stark decided to take advantage of the end of the Cold War by selling the WS to the Soviet branch of Hydra, just days before the Dissolution of the Soviet Union made it moot, and stealing the WS from the Pentagon to patent it himself.
He sold Bucky complete with the Red Book, which the Russians either translated while reading aloud, re-wrote in Russian for their own purposes (explaining why an American organisation’s supersoldier appears to have Russian trigger words; perhaps he doesn’t, they would work in any language?) and why Zemo read them aloud in Russian.
(And/or, maybe the Americans really did use Russian trigger words on Bucky, to perpetuate the ‘definitely-not-American’ Boogeyman mythos?)
The Russians realised they had been double-crossed by Stark, and sent the WS after him and his wife in retribution, and to steal the WS serum back (which Stark may or may not have also promised but failed to deliver.)
The other US intelligence agencies failed to look into it more closely because, once they discovered the sale of the WS, and the theft of the serum, they considered Stark and his wife traitors / double-agents, and thought it was best for PR if the whole thing was hushed up.
Despite now having a mind-controlled super soldier of their own, the Russians didn’t have the secret of creating new mind-control. This explains why they couldn’t control the other Winter Soldiers (despite them being Hydra ideologues before serum), and why the Red Room had to go undercover in America, to steal the secret of mind-control from SHIELD in 1995.
Why would they have to go to America to get that intel, if it was already in Russia?
#dat's me#bucky barnes#bucky meta#meta#mcu#mcu meta#POSSBLE SCENARIO UNDER THE CUT#bout to post a hot take while spaced out and sleep-deprived#always a wise decision!#of course it doesn't follow that a thing is good just because it is in the comics#it could be a comic written by mark millar after all#what is the watsonian explanation...#for this preposterous east coast american / siberian wilderness set up??#what does the russian aspect add to it? why was it necessary for the plot?#at first it looked like the russian stuff was just a cover up by americans to conceal bucky's true identity#but then in CACW they went full blown russian with it and that.... doesn't actually make sense for this MCU#time for a catnap
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Why do people (also me) think that Rumlow was WS’s handler? On the level of Karpov/Others + having the book/knowing the activation phrases.
I can definitely see him being ‘one of the people cleared to control/interact/etc etc but I really don't feel like he was high up enough to have that kind of clearance.
Pierce, though, definitely
Just looking back at CATWS Bank Vault scene
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Does an edit exist where it’s like the bank vault scene from catws to the music of Gasoline by Halsey? Or just anything winter soldier related with that song? Lately I’ve just been imagining something like
Pierce slapping Bucky and forcefully telling him
You can’t wake up this is not a dream
You’re part of a machine
You are not a human being
Ive been thinking about it for a while now and I’m just wondering if someone knows of something along those lines?
#bucky barnes#captain america#catws#catwsedit#winter soldier#captain america the winter soldier#alexander pierce#halsey#gasoline#gasoline by Halsey
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CATWS-AC-AOS S3 is absolutely the best bit of intertextuality Marvel has ever done. The history of HYDRA and its modern legacy. Slimy figures like Pierce and Vernon Masters and Malick, and similar locations like bank vaults and private members clubs. Marvel ate here no notes how do we return to this era.
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its so funny seeing the locker room scene from the covenant and then the catws bank vault scene back to back. how is that the same man?
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I think my biggest issue with the way that Bucky’s trauma was handled in FATWS was that it focused entirely on the bad things he did as the Winter Soldier and at no point brought up the torture and abuse he was subjected to during his 70+ years as a prisoner of war. Addressing Bucky’s feelings of guilt is fine. That’s something that previous movies established, and of course it’s a part of the healing process. The problem is that every single time we see or hear about Bucky’s time with Hydra, it only ever references the parts where the Winter Soldier did something bad.
CATWS and CACW both showed the Winter Soldier doing bad things, and CACW even touches on Bucky’s guilt over it. The difference is that they also made sure to show the abuse Bucky was subjected to (the bank vault scene in TWS and the opening scene of CW for example). So yes, we know that the Winter Soldier was a ruthless assassin, but we also know that Bucky was subjected to horrific torture and stripped of his agency in order to make the Winter Soldier be that way. FATWS just glosses over all of that. The only scene we get (and it’s a great scene, to be fair) that addresses the horror of Bucky’s treatment by Hydra is the flashback to him in Wakanda when the triggers are finally removed. But then that scene feels really out of place when the rest of the series presents Bucky’s past as though it was something he had some sort of active choice in. I mean, one of the main plot points of the show involves Super Soldier Serum, and yet never once is it acknowledged that Bucky’s serum was the result of non consensual experimentation being done on him. It’s a perfect opportunity to address the complex feelings Bucky must have about it and they just waste it.
At the end of the day, it really flies in the face of the foundations set by the previous movies. Bucky is a victim, that’s clear, so why does FATWS feel the need to act like he has some responsibility for what happened to him? Why did they decide that when it comes to their character suffering from PTSD, they were only going to focus on how potentially dangerous he is? It’s just flat out poor writing tbh.
#mcu#marvel#marvel cinematic universe#bucky#bucky Barnes#Falcon and the winter soldier#FATWS#Disney#Disney plus#rant#Sebastian Stan
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#bucky barnes#buckybarnesedit#sebastian stan#captain america: tws#catws#how many vault scene gifs are too many???#ninookrgifs
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Got curious about fandom trends so pulled some data from AO3.
Like a good scientist, going to start with Limitations:
Polyships not included. Ships list is also by no means exhaustive.
Not filtered for OTP:true so same fic may feature multiple ships that may not be the endgame
Also doesn't reflect which ship is centered in the fic as opposed to mentions
Obviously deleted fics won't turn up in the count, but it would be interesting to know real historical numbers for these fandoms
Quite a few fics have been backdated, given AO3 was only launched in 2009 and several fics are marked pre-2009. It's possible other fics have also been backdated but I think the numbers are small enough to be non significant.
I did not filter out between MCU and Marvel comics for the ships
(Addit for something new I noticed) Fics that have been updated on 2023 will disappear from earlier numbers i.e. if a fic was started in 2022 but is still being published in 2023, it will not show up in 2022 numbers.
As always, keep in mind AO3 has relatively higher slash ships than other fanfic sites
AO3 doesn't necessarily reflect the size of the fandom, only how many people write for the fandom on AO3 (duh). Other activity - discussions, meta, fanart etc doesn't always correlate to fic production.
RIGHT axis scale applies to the MCU area only - this is the overall number of fics being written for the MCU over the years.
Observations:
Stucky took a while to catch attention. In 2011 when CATFA came out, there was only 61 fics, but that jumped to ~400 and ~600 for the following 2 years.
Avengers (2012) made Stony into one of the first juggernaut ships of the MCU with around 3000 fics that year.
2014 CATWS vaulted Stucky into the stratosphere, going from less than 600 fics in 2013 to just shy of 6000 in 2014. SamBucky and SteveSam both started then, but SteveSam was the bigger ship at the time (500 vs 150 fics)
2016 CACW gave a boost to both Stucky and Stony, as well as a boost to SamBucky.
Curiously, SteveSam did not receive the same boost from the movie, and its numbers dropped in following years and stayed around 300
AC, starting in 2015, gave the first real boost to Steggy. Prior to this its numbers stayed around 200, with a small uptick in 2014 with CATWS to 400.
Clearly, lots of people were happy/unhappy/had things to say about EG, because that was when Stucky, Steggy and Stony all peaked, while SamBucky also had a big boost. This peak is also mirrored in the overall number of MCU fics produced
Big spike for SamBucky as expected from TFATWS in 2021, nearly breaking 5000 and overtaking Stony for the year
2021 was also the peak for overall number of MCU fics per year, which I wonder if it's partially due to Covid lockdown. Other franchises released that year were Loki, Black Widow, Shangchi, Eternals and Spiderman.
SteveNat and BuckyNat have stayed fairly constant ships (of around 500 fics/year) with a small boost from each movie. Staron has remained a small with around 100 fics a year.
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Ah seeing tiny expression changes while doing icons is so fun
#ooc#no its not#im crying#like not in the laughy laugh way#*points at bucky* you're fictional why am I crying#its the bank vault scene in caws#*catws whichever it is#and#my heart#you guys#aaaaaaaaaa
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anyone else just do not ever want to see the bank vault scene from catws ever like it comes up on my dash and I pretend I do not see it 😔
#it’s uncomfy for obvious reasons......#also when ppl are like damn. he’s so sexy in beefy and I’m like ma’am he’s being tortured#sebs performance and the meta it all implies is fantastic but I HATE#emma overshares
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nobody:
me: and let me reiterate a thing...
everybody: please don’t, i’m begging you, stop
me: cacw made a stupid, cowardly thing in making the emotional conflict around the winter soldier (if you even call it such, since it’s barely there) ‘is bucky accountable for those actions’. boring. pointless. catws already answered to that question, the bank vault scene spray painted a large fat ‘no’ over that question. an actually more interesting and relevant emotional conflict would have been ‘is bucky guilty of being too weak to fight that’ which is an actual feeling people deal with after abuse (especially sexual abuse) and would resonate with people instead of a stupid storyline tailored around tony built on too many weak plot points that crumble if you look at them too closely
#don't mind me#i'm like an old person who just says the same things over and over#i'll be 98 on my deathbed ranting about civil war#not civil war friendly#mcu
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How rude!. Bucky? the character is all about the wig and costume, and the stunt doubles -- Dude, if you think his acting didn't count in the masterpiece that is CATWS, you're dumb af. The way WS walks, his murderous strut and facial expression, his entire demeanor giving the impression of a killing machine is 100% due to acting, and not stunt doubles. The vault scene with Alex Pierce or his reaction to Steve's "Im with you till the end of the line" deserves an Oscar. bit*ly/2kgMUCN
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