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Loki vs. WandaVision for @mcuchallenge semi-finals
#loki#mobius#sylvie#lokius#sylki#sylkius#mcuchallenge#mcuchallengefilled#marvel#mcu#quote#idk who it's from though i just saw a friend share it on instagram the other day#also sorry to wandavision stans i'm sad to vote against it too#but you know#it's loki#anyway whichever one wins this battle is the one i'm voting for in the finals#mine
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See, the one Sadboy Loki stan-meta point I will generally agree on is that the desperate need for a throne is about wanting the acceptance and acclaim (ie The Poor Sad Woobie Just Wants To Be Loved) so yeah fair enough on the redemption arc being But What If Friends?? and What If Me But Hot Hot Selfcest Gaining Self-Respect?
I suppose the proof of that is that while pretending to be Odin and literally being the king of Asgard he... did fuck all, really? Wrote a play about himself, lounged around a bit. That's not someone who wants the power bit of being the ruler of everything and while I may disagree on the exact depths of his emo despair and whether it's a moral get-out-of-jail-free card I do agree that yeah the thing that makes ruling everyone attractive to Loki is that those everyones (erm...) will then pay attention to you and tell you how great you are.
That probably *is* the Younger Son thing at work, innit? "Well, if your brother were to die in a "hunting accident" of some freak accident or plague (btw he is basically immortal so this is v unlikely) then we'd need you after all, so we'll keep you around and make sure you're exactly the sort of arrogant twat we need for that job and probably stop you getting too interested in doing something else with your life *but* as mentioned you're basically the insurance policy that we're unlikely to ever actually need so... maybe you could take up knitting? Bee-keeping?" (This is, again, why monarchies and primogeniture are fucking *terrible* ideas that lead to societies overflowing with young men itching to become Crusaders and Conquistadors but I'm sure nobody needs me to go on about that shit again though I just thought of a thing I should add to that fic)
#my third favourite loki#i'm not saying “kill Thor” is the answer to many/most of his problems but...#actually is *this* why some Loki stans hate Thor so much? they've identified the problem but it never gets solved for their fave?#i mean obvs the *real* problem is the system but failing the ability or perhaps will to change that then yeah he could just murder Thor#as i throwaway-line'd once in a fic Sylvie would have the related but different problem of Being A Girl#nobody bothered to put the *princesses* in the tower did they?#(think R3 was actually planning to marry the oldest girl? which bold move when you've blatantly murdered her brothers but whatevz)#(maybe she didn't like them anyway!)#(also that actually *is* incest isn't it? daaaamn Richard going for the full set of Things People Don't Like weren't you?)#(someone reading this like “why the fuck is she talking about Richard III on this post about Loki???”)#(well hello there welcome to the fun world of me! it's all downhill from here!)#(don't forget to Like Comment and Subscribe!)#(i may hate monarchies but their dramas are fuckin A+ Reality Shows But With Murder And Incest And So On quality content)#me stuffing popcorn into my mouth: “can't wait for the new season to resolve that Bosworth cliffhanger. my problematic fave MUST win!”#“he murdered his nephews surely he can take out that half-arsed attempt at a Lancaster heir?? it's that or a line of Welsh gingers???”#(i have nothing against welsh gingers honestly cross my cold black twisted heart)#loki series
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I once again I'm begging marvel to give ikol a date at least just for some issues
#Logyn fans please don't mention sigyn I don't actually care for her that much#I am aware he has crushs I don't need anyone tell me about his love life#Amora is also off the table they would never work and you I and they know that#I ship it I'm just more into it being more of a chase we can't be together kind of romance#marvel comics#loki#loki 616#marvel 616#agent of asgard#comics loki#loki laufeyson#Gonna tag it with anti MCU so the MCU stans won't find it#anti mcu#anti sylvie#anti lokius#loki laufeydottri
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Sylvie haters: I’m not a misogynist!!!!!!!!!
Also Sylvie haters: Women aren’t people :)
#sylvie#loki#loki discourse#TO BE CLEAR: not all sylvie haters are misogynists but there is a nasty bunch amongthem#also I'm not making this up either#this was pretty much an actual thing said by an anti#yall I CANT BELIEVE they've got me defending sylvie#and her stans#at least yall dont yak on and on about fEmALEs taking over everything#pro sylvie#i guess
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No, Sylvie didn’t “have a point” in that bar convo.
Ok. I’ve seen a lot of sylvie stans on Twitter (and ofc Twitter is the app of choice for sylvie stans lmao) claiming that, in the bar conversation in episode 5, Sylvie had the moral high ground. They say she Made Points and that she’s consistently been the one trying to preserve lives while Loki/Mobius/the TVA have been carelessly destroying them. Yeah. Let’s talk about that.
On Sylvie being right about Loki “kidnapping” people from their timelines…
First off, Loki admitted that he had an ulterior motive of bringing his friend group back together because he didn’t want to be alone. Cool! But he didn’t say he wanted to forcefully drag them from their happy lives and imprison them somewhere so they couldn’t leave just so he could hang out with them. He said they should be given a choice whether they wanted to join him in his ‘save the TVA’ quest or go back to their current lives. A choice. You know.. like what they didn’t have before.
And it’s kinda valid, when you think about it. Yes, they had/have lives on their original branches, but they also had/have lives at the TVA. Centuries worth of life there. They have friends there, they have jobs that they genuinely see as their own glorious purposes, and (in recent days) they have their own little world-saving team! They have a heroic mission! They have their friendship with Loki! And whether or not they should’ve been drafted to the TVA is irrelevant, because it happened. And those experiences are significant just like their experiences on the timeline. It was wrong for HWR to take away their memories and their choice to stay in their mundane lives, but it’s equally as wrong for Sylvie to not want to give them their memories of the TVA back or give them the choice to go back to that life, if they want to. And considering how A.D. Doug and Frank’s branch lives are going (read: not good), I’m fairly confident they’d choose to return if they had all their memories back.
And I mean, considering how the meeting with Sylvie went, if any of them had refused to come with Loki, he would have let them stay! It’s not like he was literally kidnapping them. He just wanted to give them a choice in hopes that they’d choose him. Just because Sylvie can’t imagine ever wanting to leave her life on the timeline to go back to the TVA doesn’t mean she can make that choice for others.
On Sylvie being right about just leaving everyone be and letting the TVA stay destroyed…
Like..??? This is so frustrating. This is probably my greatest source of annoyance with her throughout this entire season. She’s constantly argued in favour of inaction, despite the fact that she knows there is an emergency going on that requires immediate action. Moral discussions aside, just sitting at McDonalds and ignoring everything that’s going on isn’t feasible, because- as Loki has been trying to tell her for 4 episodes now- if the loom melts down, there won’t be a McDonalds anymore. There won’t be anything. The entire multiverse will be fettuccine 😭. 
Like I just don’t understand her logic?? Either she doesn’t believe him (despite having evidence), or she just doesn’t care because a.) she thinks they should fix the mess she made while she just chills in the 80s OR b.) she thinks “well I’ll be fine, fuck everyone else 🤪” because she has the master tempad and thinks she can just keep outrunning the destruction like she’s been doing her whole life.
Either way, though, even if the branches weren’t being spaghettified and everything was fine.. there’s still a billion kang variants on the horizon. Like does that not trouble her at all? I’m sure her reasoning would be that she’d just kill any Kangs that show up, but it’s hilarious how she’s so confident in her ability to do that considering she did nothing impressive to kill He Who Remains. He sat in a chair and offered himself up to her. She walked up and stabbed him in the chest. Like there was no battle, that was no accomplishment. But she really thinks she did something, huh? To the point that she’s willing to risk the lives of everyone in the multiverse, gambling on her ability to single-handedly take on an entire army of all-powerful dudes actually trying to win. Nonsensical behaviour.
On Sylvie just wanting to save all the innocent people…
Building on my last point. Sylvie’s whole thing about being the one that stands up for The People and does everything in the best interest of the innocents… yeah, that’s bs lol. Sylvie, I think, has convinced herself that she’s fighting to preserve lives, but in all actuality, she’s just fighting to oppose the TVA. She’s not seeking justice (at least not primarily), she’s seeking revenge. And that’s been a problem with her since the end of season 1.
She had no problem murdering 400+ minute men in violent and torturous ways (she even enjoyed doing it, and still takes pride in it), despite the fact that she knew they were innocent people brainwashed and forced to work for the TVA. She had no problem sitting back and letting the infinite number of Kangs come, even though it was inevitable that lots of innocent people would be killed by them. As long as she didn’t have to do the work to prepare for it, she was fine with that risk. Loki tried to tell her multiple times, in multiple instances, that the TVA falling apart would cause branched timelines to be destroyed and all the people on them to die, but she ignored him and didn’t believe him and refused to do anything to help over and over and over until that very thing ended up happening. As a matter of fact, she never cared at all until it effected her timeline. Then she immediately was like “there must be something we can do!!”
Anyway….. I just think it’s annoying how some people act like she’s the pro-life (not that kind of pro-life) voice of reason in all this. She’s extremely selfish (yes, more so than Loki) and perfectly willing to let innocent people die if it means she gets to keep relaxing on her branch. Much like Brad. And you know what? That doesn’t make her a villain! There’s nothing wrong with wanting a life away from the organisation that ruined your old one. But I wish folks would stop saying she was right. Cause.. no, bestie, she was not. Lol.
#anti sylvie#antisylki#anti sylki#lokius#loki series#loki meta#loki 2x05#loki 2x05 spoilers#loki spoilers
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Sylvie stans being the biggest misogynists in existence and then calling us misogynists because we don't like Sylvie is unbelievably hilarious. Like, you can't just call a woman a useless whore while also calling someone a misogynist. Make it make sense baby girl.
SYLKI AND SYLVIE STANS DO NOT FUCKING INTERACT WITH ME OR MY POSTS ALL IT'S GONNA GET YOU IS A BLOCK.
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I see you hate Sylvie so much and the Loki TV show too. why?
Okay, lemme break it down into a final, once-and-for-all peace speaking on the issue of the series and Sylvie. I'll try to make this as painless as possible.
1- Looking at it beyond the surface, she's not really interesting.
The term 'Mary Sue' gets thrown around a lot with Sylvie, and I kind of have to agree. She seems to be little more than a trope checklist.
-Sad background that motivates her actions? Check.
-Deep down she just wants to be loved? Check.
-Inexplicable instant "chemistry" with the male lead? Check.
-She's just so super special and important? Check.
But even so, there have been others with similar Sue-ish backgrounds that the MCU has managed to make into pretty decent characters, like Scarlet Witch in WandaVision. Arguably, both characters share some traits, but the writers of Wanda (at least before Multiverse of Mehhness) clearly knew how to bring those ideas into a twisted story of learning how to confront the past and to mourn with a character who still had something to learn.
In contrast, Sylvie really doesn't have any flaws to turn into a deep character study, does she? I think that's her second-biggest detriment (see below for the biggest). A good character is never perfect. A good character had flaws, wants, drives, and other things that make them imperfect but relatable. Sylvie is incredibly unrelatable.
Truly I believe she was written for the stans as a self-insert. She isn't even a decent one. I read fanfics on here with amazing examples of a good insert character, so it clearly can be done. Again, Sylvie ain't it.
2- Sylvie's existence both mocks the comics as well as Norse mythology as a whole.
Most of us anti-sylkis know this already, but in Norse mythology AND the Marvel canon that goes beyond the MCU, Loki has had several lovers and wives. Loki married and had three children with Angreboda, and then went on to have twins with wife Sigyn. In the comics, he also had a lover named Amora the Enchantress (which we ALMOST got in the MCU before her cameo was cut). Any one of these three would've made a fantastic romantic plot for Loki if the MCU *really* had the compulsion to go that route.
Alas, instead, the MCU kind of bastardized Amora, Sigyn, as well as another character from the comics named Sylvie, and combined them into TV!Sylvie. This not only means we will likely never see Amora or Sigyn in the MCU, it means they were replaced by an inferior on the same level as Randy from That 70s Show, who was also a sucky character created for the fans as an amalgamation of pre-existing characters.
3- She's just another in a long line of Loki-abusers.
Like, does she ever comfort him after all he does for her? Does she even really listen to him? Because from what I saw there was just a lot of this happening between them:
Jesus, lady. What has he done to make you such a jerk to him? I get you're supposed to be a #GuuurlBoss but that doesn't mean "be a total cunt to a man whenever you feel like it."
After all this time, if we really had to have a Loki character study series, why doesn't he get some respite from the fact that basically everyone he knows has either been cryptic and mysterious to him at best, and hostile/violent/malicious to him at worst?
THIS is probably the single biggest reason I loathe Sylvie. We're suppose to believe she's just being Miss Independent when she's really just bringing the poor god down even more than most. I feel like if she met Thor, he'd get upset at seeing how she treats him, and he'd be confused by how easily Loki just accepts it all.
4- I'm becoming more convinced Tom's only doing the show out of obligation, and that his creativity is being tossed aside for the sake of the series.
I normally don't like to speculate like some others do, but with more people (like Zoe Saldana) coming out and saying they felt repeatedly stifled by the MCU's yuckity-yucks in terms of character development, I definitely believe they're telling Tom to shut up and read the script. I mean, the guy probably knows as much Norse/Loki mythology as any scholar by this time, and he seems to be a really creative person by nature. They're tossing out a whole trove of potential.
I get he's got a family now and he needs to bring in some bacon, but 1- he and his fiancee are both prolific actors who could probably get any roles they wanted. Hell, Zawe's about to enter the MCU herself when The Marvels come out later this year. If she has a larger role in the next few phases, I hope to god they treat her better than they've treated Tom and Zoe and other actors. But I doubt it.
2- he's probably already richer than God
He's almost certainly trapped by contractual obligations at this point, and that fucking sucks, and yes, I blame the tv show for this.
So, in conclusion: this really is a train wreck of a show hidden behind a lot of smoke and mirrors. I'm not sorry to say it. Sylvie lacks any kind of genuine depth, and the writers seem both lost on where to take Loki's character arcs, and not interested.
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okay also not that i think anyone is really curious but i'm gonna avoid posting any spoilers until saturday! just in case someone hasn't seen the new episode yet and i'll try to do the same moving forward.
also just to make it painfully clear i am a sylvie and sylki stan so if that is not your thing! you might not like this blog! that's okay! but i'm just putting it into writing so that u can see. like we are all on the same well-informed page here. okay goodnight.
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It pisses me off that people are mad at Matt because he went to see the young girl for Sylvie and saying Matt didn't do enough for Gabby. Even making it personal saying they're glad Monica stayed away.
One, Monica left the show. It was her decision. I'm sorry if you're mad that your ship didn't end up how you wanted but you have to understand it was because of the decision of the actor, this storyline happened because she left.
Secondly, Matt is at a different point in his life. He probably wasn't ready then but he's ready now. He was also there for Gabby in every way he could and loved her so much that he didn't want to see her die. She was the one who didn't want an adoption.
With Sylvie, she welcomes the help that anyone wants to provide.
I don't see how that fandom can differentiate that Matt loved/loves these two women differently and that he is going to support them anyway he can.
I really need to stay away from the bird app or else my blood pressure is going to go through the roof with some of these takes I'm reading.
LITERALLY it is so fucking maddening to see!
It already just drives me mad when people don't ever seem to respect the fact that these actors leave, because they wanted to, so it's to be expected that the end of that storyline will be a little shit. Like you can forever be sad d*wsey isn't canonically together anymore and that Matt moved on, because if d*wsey is The Ship for you that is sad but at the end of the day, the actress wanted out and the show continued.
I also hate the argument that he didn't do enough for Gabby... Because he did. He did so so much. She was the problem, she didn't want the help he gave her. That's fine, in some ways I get that attitude and it's fine to see it that way, but lord you cannot say he didn't try.
And it's not like Brettsey was rushed. It's been built up. It's been shown again and again that they love each other, how that is shown. And they've grown together. Also Matt has seen the whole development of this arc really, from helping Sylvie with Julia and then Amelia and all that and to now the decision to adopt baby Julia, he's the most qualified to speak on the matter honestly because he's seen all that.
I would generally recommend staying away from twitter atm at least. I am currently too lol. My blood pressure definitely couldn't handle it.
I'm just so fucking done with all the people who one) keep dragging Monica into this, like damn the woman left l can guarantee you the only thoughts she has is pride for her former co workers and two) people just needlessly hating on brettsey.
Idk if it's because I'm also having to deal with the same sort of idiocy when it comes to u*stead stans on twitter (which already is laughable to me bc the stans tend to be the same people as the d*wsey stans) so I'm already pretty damn tired of people not getting things and mixing up not personally liking a storyline direction Vs bad writing.
It's also tiring to see the hypocrisy (like adoption is Valid when d*wsey does it but not Sylvie or that Sigan is a brilliant writer/show runner until upstead has to be broken down because the actor left of his own choice 🙄) and like. Just ship and let ship. And if the show choices upset you... You don't need to watch. That's fine. But attacking other ships is just not on.
Ugh I'll stop now before this turns into a full on rant. I could bitch for days about d*wsey stans but especially as you only sent the ask about brettsey I should stop because I'll just also rant about u*stead and idk how you feel about them lol.
Thank you for asking!! 💖
#ree's asks#chicago fire#brettsey#ree has thoughts#thank you for asking!!! 💖#ree rants#i went a little bit into chicago pd in this but I'm not tagging that lol#cos it's only a touch#sylvie brett#matt casey
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It's just me or Loki stans tend not to care about female character's much? One thing I've noticed about Loki-centric blogs is that some of them have side blorbos, but always male blorbos. They only care about female characters when they have some canon connection to Loki so they can talk about him through talking about her, and only when the connection in question is platonic (Verity, Frigga...). When Loki has a canonically romantic/sexual connection with a woman (Amora, Sylvie, Lorelei, etc) they either demonize her or erase the romantic factor to make them into ~mean queer besties~ like he's her gay bff. There's a difference between disliking het (valid) and erasing the canon dynamic of his relationships with women because the thought of their canon bi fave liking icky women makes them uncomfortable. Face it, Loki fandom: your fave likes boobs and coochie, stop pretending otherwise. You don't have to personally ship het to recognize that some women canonically turn him on and/or matter to him romantically.
I don't think it's unique to Loki stans. It's a misogyny problem that is both based on the biases within fandom and those of the writers. The Loki fandom is far from being the only one that targets a woman love interest so viciously (*cough* ST fandom, I've also heard other Marvel ships are like that too). And I definitely do get annoyed when Loki's bisexuality gets erased because they don't deem the female characters worthy. And yea, they'll always try to make it platonic with women characters. The "these two characters with little shared background that kissed are siblings" shit is so fucking annoying. It's fine if it's not your cup of tea,but pretending they have "sibling energy" is weird.
Writing biases:
S2 gave very little exploration to the female characters. And most Marvel female characters have little depth. Like just look at the Thor movies, we don't know much about Sif (personality is the woman warrior), Frigga(personality is mom), and Jane is just there as love interest for Thor. Valkyrie's interesting but her name isn't given in Ragnarok, and I heard she got sidelined in TLAT, the movie I refuse to watch. Sylvie had decent focus in S1 but was sidelined in S2 and relegated to product placement.
Speaking of the source material, I am not joking when I say many of the female character's characterizations in the comics before maybe the 2010s were nothing but "wanting to fuck Thor." Also, BW was a prime example of Whedon's "empowering" brand of sexualized strong female character and took forever to get her movie after getting unceremoniously fridged.
Granted, I have not kept up-to-date with Marvel movies because I am only interested in Loki and I find a lot of characters annoying, in case the shitty writing conventions for female characters have improved.
Fandom biases:
Fandom can't stomach anything other than saccharine sweetness as a personality for women, especially when they interact with a popular male character. It has been shown that in real life, women are more likely to be seen as rude or bitches for more tame behavior than men.
People claiming that Mobius was "compassionate" for blaming Loki for his mother's death and locking him in a time loop where he's beaten repeatedly, while Sylvie calling him a "clown" was "abusive".
This is interesting and one of the many examples against "abusive women are given a pass" because the "victim" in question is the same Tumblr sexyman, but the woman's non-abusive behavior that makes sense in-context is scrutinized ridiculously and Loki was not hurt physically by it, while Mobius "gave him therapy".
No one can even argue it's because Loki is the Tumblr fandom fave rather than pure fucking misogyny because actual harm to Loki gets passed as being for his own good by a rather vocal portion of fans when it's a man doing it. You'd think the fandom would have lost their shit over one of the OG Tumblr Sexymen being mistreated. But nah. (And yes, I forgave Mobius for risking his skin for Loki in S2, lol. He more than made up for it.).
Also, Sylvie RIGHTFULLY called Mobius out for putting his head in the dirt like a fucking ostrich, and the fandom threw a fit and babied him.
#anon asks#mcu!loki fandom#mcu!loki#mcu!sylvie#marvel critical#loki series critical#mcu critical#hot takes#fandom misogyny#fandom wank
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i can attempt to cheer up the sylkis, but bear in mind i am never right about anything.
It's not that S1 sylki is being treated like it never happened, because you could do this season with Sylvie rejoining the gang after an episode and she and Loki are now besties but no they are keeping my fave from me I AM SUFFERING SO MUCH and she turns up mid-episode so help with a plot thing and then fucks off again at the end four episodes in a row like she cannot be left hanging around because then we'd have to address the elephant in the room. And I feel like the elephant is still in the room, because we haven't mentioned the kissing at all and it's well past the point where that just seems weird.
And the people saying "if they'd got it on in episode 2/3 they'd def be doomed" are correct, that's pretty much what always happens in telly. They haven't made the romantic shit explicit enough to do a tragic parting (probably - like I say I am often wrong about telly) but equally the way it's not being talked about does not really scream retconned to me it. Same as how Sylvie is sidelined in a way that to me says either "actress was not available much" (and she was) or "we need to stop these characters having this conversation or we'll resolve the plot too soon." And if it's that then as a Sylvie stan I am annoyed to have her role reduced just to make a man a bit sad for a while. Because you'd think she should have some role in doing Whatever The Heck is happening after she killed HWR, there's no reason she couldn't have (for example) agreed to come and fix the loom etc while fully intending to leave when that's done (and she could bitch about the TVA while she did it!) But no, she's conspicuously Not There yet also she has to turn up for Reasons mid-episode because she's still a main character and probaby important to whatever the resolution of all this stuff is. (And the end of ep 5 seems to strongly imply that she is.)
And like. Leaving her to the end while "getting the gang back together" feels extremely deliberate as a choice. Building up to her. And then she says nope and then appears again at the end as a spark of hope before everything turns into spaghetti. And then that ending stuff where Loki can control the time-skipping because it's about "who". And yeah possibly this means one of his new besties at the TVA but if I had to guess and I was only allowed to guess one of them.
I think my main point is that yes it's awkward, but it didn't need to be as awkward for as long so something is being dragged out to the very end here, it's not just a change in direction where we're gonna ignore the kissing because the kissing doesn't matter. I feel like we're ignoring it because it does. But what do I know? 🤷♀️
#loki spoilers#loki season 2#sylki#sylvie my precious blorbetta#i am not what you'd call a natural optimist i just think this season is WEIRD about sylvie#ur keeping my girl from me!!! on purpose!!! but why!!!
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Did a little Lokius comic post S1E1.
I got some serum sample pack that looks a lot like a condom (lmao) ALSO I read Even Better On The Floor by Mirilya!! It's hilarious and hot and amazing, all Lokius stan need to read them <3
Mobius expressing his concern and I made him break the forth wall a little there CUZ I got into this realisation of how S2E1 starts with Loki asking for Mobius' help to find Sylvie - which mirrors S1E1, where Mobius asked for Loki's help to FIND SYLVIE WAAAAAAAAH *MIND BLOWN*
And then there's names like Mobius and Oroborous and it's all going in loops. Pretty amazed by all Loki writers right now.
Anyway, this theory brought me to some dark places of how someone might die but will come back again.
Only thing I want to think about is how the mirroring just means that the pie scene is coming up next and boy I am so ready!
#I should probably stop thinking up weird things while being extremely sleep deprived#loki season 2#Loki#Mobius#OB#Spoilers#Do not take anything here serious cus I drew and typed all that with only 30% brain#how do people run more than 2 blogs? I'm dying
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ohhh but how are you feeling about 1989 tv and the vault!! 💙 any thoughts on listening to taylor in firehouse 51? who would be a swiftie, who would begrudgingly listen, who learns to appreciate her music after you give them a powerpoint presentation LOL
I like it a lot!! I’m admittedly not like a giant 1989 fan, but the songs I do like I vibe with. And tbh, I think these might be my favorite set of vault tracks? Like I like all of them 100%, each other set of vaults there’s one or more im not big on (sadly bc I’m a speak now stan but I can’t get behind foolish one)
Also god taylor swift at 51,,, in my mind I can twist any fictional character into a swiftie in one way or another. I will never find myself saying ‘this person would hate Taylor swift’ because her array of music I just think everyone would have at least one album they love.
That being said
Taylor swift lovers:
Gabby (of course - she’d be a fearless or red stan)
Shay (SHE WOULD HAVE LOVED LOVER YOU BITCH)
Stella (reputation stan probably)
Matt (I don’t know why but he radiates 1989 and reputation lover to me)
Violet (would absolutely fuck with 1989)
Gallo (that’s a speak now lover if I ever saw one)
Ritter (him and Violet fuuuuuck with 1989)
Capp (idk what album but he just gives yk)
Tbh hear me out, Kelly as a folklore or evermore stan,,, a stretch but idk
Also also hear me out, otis biggest 1989 stan in the building
Taylor swift dealers:
Everyone else lmao, the rest of them either weren’t fans until they met the others, or have a few songs they like here and there / an album they don’t mind hearing.
Most likely to not like her before: Sylvie (solely based on her dislike of Justin Bieber), Herrmann/Mouch (bc they’re older men and we know how men view her,, even tho I love them we’ve seen how Herrmann talks about women especially early in the show - still love him don’t get me wrong), and if we’re bringing temporary members into it, chili would say she doesn’t like her but stream her music
Boden would have no idea who she was until she’s brought up in the firehouse, and tbh actually maybe Herrmann and mouch are here instead but 1. Cindy would be a debut/fearless stan so maybe not Herrmann and 2. Mouch is glued to the tv and that girl is everywhere so,, not that possible
Honorable mentions from other shows that you didn’t ask for:
Will Halstead biggest lover lover 🥹
Jay and Hailey reputation lovers
Kim (and Adam) stream red daily
Connor listens to folklore and evermore
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In the first Thor movie, Loki makes a comment about how he's upset that Thor seems to have changed as a result of his interaction with Jane Foster, and Loki suggests he should also pay a visit to her. Feminists have interpreted this as a rape threat--Loki as an aggressive man threatening sexual violence toward a woman as a means of attacking a rival man (in the game of patriarchy, women are the ball)--and describe feelings of revulsion surrounding Loki for this reason. The Loki fandom then feelings of terror for them, because people stan a rapist, and then Joss Whedon is brought into it as the guy who made the rapist cool. Can I just say, I think this is a misreading?
Loki isn't particularly macho. He has a feminine side. If a Jotunn told him to "run home, little princess," he probably wouldn't take offense in quite the way Thor does. In the myths, he repeatedly crossdresses and transforms into female beings of various species, as is alluded to in a deleted scene where Thor calls him "cow" like that one time Loki became a cow, and then Thor: The Dark World alludes to a myth where Loki had the two of them dress up as women by making Thor look like Sif. He's a subtextually queer element ultimately made explicit in the Loki TV series when he describes himself as bisexual, an official dossier notes him as genderfluid, and an alternate universe's Loki transitions to female and takes the name Sylvie. All that is present in the background of Thor through Tom Hiddleston's expressive acting showing Loki's vulnerability and apparent attraction to Thor. (I don't care if it squicks you or not. I think that's in the film as a background element. Besides, he's adopted.)
Loki is a king who subjugates people. In the case of the movie, he is the acting king of Asgard after Odin decided to go into a coma to avoid an awkward conversation that was making him feel emotions. Despite the movie telegraphing that Loki was trying to betray Odin, this was a red herring to hide the fact that Loki was manipulating events to make him look like a big hero protecting Asgard to get daddy's love. He's not particularly nice, but he's not the archetypal "strong man, grr!" figure that some feminists seem to think he is. When he makes his so-called rape threat, he's literally crying because he feels betrayed by Thor aligning himself with Jane Foster over him, after Loki went to great effort to make the world (Odin, Thor, and Asgard in general) see him as Thor's equal. This isn't a "macho man clinging to toxic masculinity" situation.
In this vulnerable state, he suggests he visit her himself. I think this is a threat, not of rape, but of replacing Thor as her romantic partner. Loki feels disposable, so he's trying to make Thor also feel disposable. Before, Thor's value lay in being heir to the throne, so that's what Loki was envious of. Now, Thor values being Jane's boyfriend and champion of humanity, so Loki's envy switched targets. It's worth noting that in the myth, it's indicated that Loki does sleep with Thor's wife, Sif, on one occasion, which allows Loki to bring it up as a boast in an insult-trading session. (The Loki TV series later canonized this with Loki sleeping with Sif before betraying her by cutting off her hair, but Sif was not actually married to Thor in this retelling.) The original Thor film has a smattering of allusions to myth, so it's reasonable to speculate they may have been setting up Loki trying to cuck Thor in the sequel.
It's worth noting that, though she didn't get a credit, Guardians of the Galaxy screenwriter Nicole Pearlman was a writer on Thor. Most of the Jane Foster content is the result of her contributions, giving the film a feminine feel. A significant amount of the film is for women, giving the female audience a romcom with a love interest who starts out arrogant and learns to be respectful. Thor is in parallel with Mr. Darcy, the arrogant rich man who learns to be nice through his love for the female protagonist, in Pride and Prejudice. I can see her working with the other writers to set up a love triangle with Loki as George Wickham, the roguish bad boy treated badly by Mr. Darcy, with whom he frequently quarrels. I personally suspect the writers' vision for the second Thor film would have been interplanetary Pride and Prejudice, if things hadn't been derailed by Joss Whedon taking over as writer/director of The Avengers and rewriting everything.
In the sequel hook that ended up being retconned away, Loki is shown puppetting Dr. Selvig, controlling his mind while invisibly shadowing him. Loki leads him to work with SHIELD in examinations of the Tesseract as an Asgardian artifact. Another plot thread set up and later abandoned is that Jane will find Thor now that he destroyed the Bifrost. Presumably, the notes he left her would help her construct a new wormhole. This would logically be connected to her roommate and colleague, Dr. Selvig, being part of the SHIELD investigation of the Tesseract: shown to have powers similar to the Bifrost in beaming Red Skull to another planet. That means Loki would play a key role in its construction. Following his threat to Thor, I think he would have been the Jacob to his Edward and been an alternate Asgardian love interest to create a love triangle. (The Hulk rampaging would also probably be the instigating event of the plot, based on setup in The Incredible Hulk, and Red Skull might have turned up on the first planet the new Bifrost took them to.)
Anyway, that's what I think was going on. Not an evil rape threat, but a sympathetic self-hating tragic figure lashing out at his brother/crush (he's adopted) with a threat of replacing him as love interest in the setup for a Pride and Prejudice retelling targeted at the female demographic. No need to write diatribes on Loki being misogynistic. (Honestly, I wonder how many of those feminists ended up being offended by Sylvie as a trans character, seeing as many of the feminists paranoid about rape threats are radfems/TERFs and not worth listening to anyway.)
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Loki and Mobius stans are eating good in the neighborhood rn
Also yesss the reveal of X-5/Brad Wolfe lesgoooo
B-15 my beloved you have returned😌
Sylvie rocking her drip😎
OB I LOVE UUUUU
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had some fun on twitter today lol. a series stan came @ me with some of the above so i decided to compile them and other common genuine responses that i’ve seen to LOKI-series-critical meta and create a fun little game for y’all.
if you want to use this board go ahead, i’d appreciate a credit back this blog or my twitter @ulackconviction if you do use it, so i can follow your threads myself. just save the pic, mark which responses you’ve received from fans of the LOKI series, and reblog with your edited bingo card.
below i the cut will quote each one and my own response to each “argument”.
if you hate sylki then you are biphobic
- no, i hate sylki for many reasons but alleged bisexuality is not one. how about, the toxic abuse dynamic sylvie sets up towards LOKI? let’s start there.
you don’t want your uwu emo boy LOKI to heal
- incorrect. i’d love for him to finally get a chance to be heard and acknowledged, genuinely cared for and shown how to let go of his unresolved trauma. but that would require a compassionate person talking about it and showing it, none of which the series did.
it’s not incest they don’t have the same parents
- they literally have the same father: laufey of jotunnheim.
it’s not self-cest that’s a made-up thing
- well. hard to say really isn’t it? since the showrunners have both defined sylvie as “a LOKI” and as “not a LOKI” in the same breath. obviously it’s a fantasy concept, but people will have their opinions about that either way.
why don’t y’all just move on and shut up?
- rude. why should we? LOKI is important to us and the series is hurtful and disappointing, and we will shut up when we feel like it. maybe never. cry about it.
if you don’t like it then don’t watch it
- we like LOKI tho. and that’s who we were promised. that’s why we watched it. the damage is done.
y’all are just mad that lokius is not canon
- lmao if there’s one thing to not be mad about in this shitshow, that would be it. mobius is just as toxic and abusive to LOKI as sylvie is, so it’s just as well.
LOKI is just a selfish villain
- citations needed thanks. i’ll wait. not even the series managed to portray him that way so... good luck.
sylvie is not LOKI she’s her own person
- ok... if she’s not LOKI why is she dressed like him? why does everyone in the series call her the superior LOKI variant? why was LOKI’s help enlisted in the first place to capture her? why does she say “we are the same person” to him?
sylvie is LOKI so genderfluid rep is on screen every time she is
- wait what? she is LOKI now? hang on... i think i have whiplash. and more questions. also, an individual presenting and identifying consistently as a single binary gender throughout their entire appearance does not constitute genderfluidity representation.
mobius did not torture LOKI it was therapy
- therapy. right. so physical violence, threats of further violence/death, repetitive physical brutality for the purposes of “softening up” the candidate (yes that can also be defined as torture), intimidation, and misrepresenting the truth for manipulative purposes (you killed your mother) is therapeutic. got it.
fluidphobia is not a real thing
- genderfluid folks would disagree. let’s ask them?
go touch grass
- one of my favourites, gotta say. for all you know i’m typing this on my phone while laying in a hay paddock lol.
misogynist, you obviously just hate women
- again. the reasons i can’t stand sylvie are many and varied, and none of them have anything to do with her biology or gender. disliking one (1) woman because of her actions and personality is not logical grounds for such an accusation.
well tom loves the series so...
- uh, good for him? i think tom loves tennis too... doesn’t mean i have to enjoy it, nor i suspect would he insist that it’s unreasonable for me not to do so. my brain is actually separated from tom’s by the entire molten core of a planet, so i can actually think my own thoughts about things.
LOKI is out of character in the series because he learned self love
- okay so he learned self-love the instant he fell from the sky above that mongolian settlement? because that’s the moment when he ceased to resemble MCU LOKI in any way, shape, or form. hair, skin colour, mannerisms, personality, vocabulary, physical strength, intelligence, fighting ability, grace, wit, charm. wow. incredible. who knew it would be so easy? and who knew self-love would look so shitty?
LOKI is not out of character in the series compared to the films
- um... actually he is, and it can easily be demonstrated with simple side-by-side comparisons of appearance, posture and body language, abilities, and speech patterns. see above.
LOKI is out of character in all the movies and now we see his real self
- this is such incredible nonsense - it’s impossible for a character to be out of character in their seminal appearance(s). thor 2011 established LOKI’s character. this claim is right up there with “LOKI acts differently from the movies when he’s off camera.” um... what? hun, this is a movie. there is ONLY on-camera. there IS nothing else. are you confusing BTS footage of tom with LOKI?
series antis have no friends
- one in a range of irrelevant and unsubstantiated personal attacks that series fans like to sprinkle into their arguments as if it somehow strengthens them, rather than revealing them to be three children in a trench coat hurling insults.
everything you think about LOKI is just a headcanon
- no... the stuff that i know about him was told to me by the films, and by the writers and directors of the films, and by tom back when he was first engaged for the role. all of it is coherent and consistent. and that’s what i think about LOKI.
i’m not going to read/watch that! but you are wrong
- incredible powers of deduction: to refuse to even engage with a piece of media or information and yet claim to know everything it contains, and be able to judge its accuracy. truly amazing.
LOKI isn’t going to fuck you
- again, more absolute gold from a person who has literally run out of rebuttals. when you consider the barriers to such a liaison... crossing the boundaries of reality no less... lol imagine if this is how political debates were conducted in parliament or the senate. “the president/senator/prime minister/queen isn’t going to fuck you, you know!” lmaoooo.
LOKI is a narcissist to fall in love with himself
- look up NPD, and then read this again. also, LOKI actually hates himself and goes along with others’ ridicule of him because his self-worth is literally in the gutter. he only likes sylvie because he describes her as being nothing like himself. he has no idea that he has any value.
your anti opinions are taking away my enjoyment
- ok so... don’t read them? block me or mute me or whatever, and get on with your life? it’s not like you have any kind of past attachment to me like series-antis do with LOKI?
i never liked LOKI before the series anyhow
- i mean that’s fine. but don’t even start trying to tell people who actually do know and love the original character, ANYTHING at all about him. don’t even start.
sylvie’s trauma is worse than LOKI’s
- how do we even know? and why is that even relevant? how do you judge what damage a person has incurred by comparing it to some other different person with different experiences? fuck off with your trauma olympics. but since you made it a competition: LOKI wins. i care about him, i don’t care about sylvie. therefore his pain and opportunity for healing will always be more important to me. die mad about it.
even if the series hurt minorities, how many people even is that, tho
- literally a remark one of my friends received when defending genderfluid folks on her blog. so apparently according to series fans, you actually can put a number on how much real-world suffering is okay for the sake of entertainment.
sylvie is not a narcissist to fall in love with herself
- interesting, since in the show LOKI was explicitly labelled one for this exact reason. an “incredible seismic narcissist”, in fact. there wouldn’t be a serious double standard in play at all, would there?
no one cares what you think
- well i have evidence to the contrary: both from people who agree with me letting me know; and from those who don’t being unable to resist coming at me and berating me for it. including the person who said this, ironically.
you just hate sylki cos you want to fuck your siblings
- another incredible take by a series fan defending the canon ship. i really can’t follow their line of argument here... it’s unclear what message they want me to walk away with. surely if i hated the ship for incest reasons it would be because i DON’T want to fuck my siblings? (for the record, i do not). so that was a confusing one, but it was a real response, so it got included.
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