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identityflawed · 4 months
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i’m ngl i’m confused by the whole “anti-jedi” thing going on. like what does it mean
is it referring to the people who think anakin and ahsoka are right because of their bitterness towards the jedi? is it the people who think the jedi were oppressing anakin and/or so blatantly unsympathetic to his struggles that they would’ve driven him out even without palpatine’s interventions?
i mean i hope so. because i can’t imagine anyone fully supporting the jedi order on every one of their fictional decisions. they made mistakes. you’re actually weird if you’re 100% with the jedi all the time because they fucked up some shit too. some shit regarding anakin, because they understood he was different and then didn’t try to treat him differently.
i’m not talking “allowing his envious, possessive and vengeful tendencies to flourish” i mean “not leaving his mother to die in slavery” and “not letting fellow younglings bully him for being a slave” and “immediately restricting all forms of attachment instead of trying to wean him off of the love he’s known for all his life.”
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faerromagnetic · 1 month
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I honestly do not get why the majority opinion on here seems to be that The Acolyte is an Anti-Jedi Hit Piece. A Sith Propagands Show. The Acolyte is to The Jedi as Das Kapital is to Capitalism.
Like, you do know the person speaking that line is a villain right? You do know that High Republic has a history of bad guys framing the Jedi and the Republic as Fascists and Dictators right?
Why is this any different? Why are y'all acting like this is an HBomberguy call out and take down piece over the Jedi?
The saddest part is, this will never be seen by literally anyone. The only people talking about this show is just posting to rant about how much Disney hates the Jedi. Goddamn.
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cptsd-skywalker · 2 years
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A balance of the force was neither Jedi or Sith in full power, but the eradication of both. When Anakin was hurt by one he swung wildly the other way in an attempt to fulfill his destiny. This was the point of the prophesy arch in Clone Wars. Therefore Anakin was always going to have to change the ways of the Jedi. Due to the influence and severe abuse of the sith and the emotional abuse of the Jedi Order as an institution against Anakin this resulted in Genocide, but even without the genocide the Jedi order could not have existed in its current state without change. Their teachings were robbing their students of human connection and their practice of taking and indoctrinating children were inherently bad things. If any other religion practiced this there would be swarming criticisms about it. The Jedi usually get a free pass under some found family mantra, but it is truly sinister when you think about it. In Shmi’s case she is unable to consent to giving Anakin away. Anakin is instead won in a pod-race gamble. This is deeply troubling. The Jedi were always going to have to change in order to survive. Their refusal to see Anakin as anything but a threat to their dogma is part of the reason why they fell the way they did. Anakin’s roll was always to balance the force on both sides, never to take the roll as the Jedi poster boy. It isn’t his fault that he didn’t fit into either category. He was never meant to.
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sir-phineas-lost · 2 years
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Following up on a previous post here since a whole lot of people decided to chime in and the OP blocked me.
@jediapplegist
I’m sorry, when did I ever say Tarre wasn’t a Mandalorian? 
This is a fairly common argument on this topic and it stems from the fact that most of them don’t seem to know what “being Mandalorian” means in the context of Star Wars. They think it means “he was Mandalorian so he could do whatever he wanted with that metal”. But this isn’t an identity you get to claim just by being born on Mandalore, it is something you have to uphold a certain code for (though the specifics of said code varies among Mandalorian sects). Tarre Vizla being from Mandalore and being recognized as a Mandalorian to the degree that he would be gifted enough beskar for both his lightsaber and a full set of armor (which he is always depicted with) are two different things.
Fun part about that code, it includes making sure that beskar stays in the hands of the mandalorians. Which is why collecting beskar is an ongoing side-quest for Din Djarin. Tarre Vizla leaving his beskar lightsaber to the Jedi would violate that code.
He was a Mandalorian too, yes, but we know he specifically left it to the Jedi, 
This part is just a straight-up lie. We know next to nothing about Vizla as a person or what instructions he left regarding his weapons. The story only says that the Jedi kept it after his passing. As usual, Jedi-stans can’t conceive of a scenario where the Jedi do not have explicit moral permission for everything they do.
As far as we know, the Mandalorians never did what you said, they never even seemed to ask for it in accordance with their customs 
Notice how they also assume the worst for any group that isn’t the jedi.
You're basically saying Tarre's own wishes regarding his people and who his belongings were left to didn't matter. 
Again, we do not know what Tarre Vizla wished for because no official material clarifies this and Jedi-stans are making this “last will and testament” up wholesale to try to whitewash a more complicated issue.
And here is the kicker, even if Vizla did leave it for the Jedi, it is easy to argue that he had no right to do so. Beskar isn’t given out to just any mandalorian, using it or the armor requires upholding the code which in turn includes keeping beskar out of non-mandalorian hands. Leaving the darksaber to the jedi would mean that he broke the code that gave him the right to use the metal in the first place. In other words, Tarre Vizla, a jedi, decided that he had enough connection to his mandalorian heritage to take and use their sacred objects, and then decided that he didn’t need to uphold the cultural law that says “don’t give this to anyone who isn’t a mandalorian”.
@monjustmon
Beskar is a material. It's not part of the culture in itself, but a resource cherished by it.
It is a resource that is unique to their system. And they only give it to people who swear an oath to respect their culture. It belongs to them. Funny how they didn’t make this argument about the Jedi and their kyber-crystals though.
The practices and traditions surrounding beskar are an aspect of the culture, and it would be inappropiate if a beskar armor (a cultural artefact) had been melted to make a lightsaber by some Jedi with no connection to Mandalorian culture, but that outright wasn't the case. The Jedi as a group weren't actively sourcing beskar from Mandalorian territories and communities- a member of dual culture made the object and then left it to them.
Again, Jedi stans don’t seem to understand what being mandalorian entails. Tarre Vizla couldn’t have gotten beskar legitimately just by being from there. If he decided that being born on mandalore (but not a mandalorian) meant that he had a right to use their sacred metal without upholding their rules for it then it means he as a jedi committed cultural appropriation.
And aside from the lightsaber, the fact that he walked around in mandalorian armor means he either made it himself with no regard for what wearing it means to mandalorians (which is cultural appropriation), or he convinced an armorer to make it for him by swearing to uphold the mandalorian code, which he would have broken by giving his beskar lightsaber to the other jedi (which would be cultural appropriation).
This has nothing to do with uplifting a side over another and everything to do with which community crossed the boundaries of respect. 
Again, using beskar (mandalorian steel) at all without respecting the law that says it can’t be used by non-mandalorians is already a crossing of that boundary. Jedi stans just have to make up excuses for why it is totally fine for their faves to cross whatever boundary they like.
@jedidruid
Tarre building his lightsaber with Beskar clearly has the same reasoning as with Gungi building his with Brylark Wood. It’s a way for their lightsabers to reflect their birth cultures. It’s literally what every Jedi does, creating a lightsaber that feels right to them.
Yes, and the fact that he thought he had the right to use that metal because it “felt right” to him without also respecting the mandalorian culture’s laws around beskar means he appropriated their culture for his jedi ways.
@smhalltheurlsaretaken
He doesn't say they 'liberated' it (coughRebels), doesn't say they rightfully got it back, he takes pride in the fact that they stole it.
Yes, and then Rebels came out and revealed that things were a lot more complicated than the line by a one-note villain from a previous cartoon made it seem. It happens with long franchises (just look at the EU). Sabine was also from house Vizla and she sure had a lot of reverence for what the saber meant to mandalorians. Deal with it.
@short-wooloo
Beskar is rare, but it is not only found on mandalore/in the mandalore system… 
This is yet another straight-up lie. The Star Wars book confirms that beskar is only found in the Mandalore system. It is also knows as “Mandalorian Steel” precisely for this reason. The mandalorians were genocided by the Empire for the express purpose of strip-mining their planet for beskar. Din Djarin has an ongoing quest to find and return as much beskar to mandalorians as he can because the only way a non-mandalorian can get their hands on beskar is by benefiting from the genocide of his people.
So the fact that this guy wants to claim that it exists on other systems not only to deny that they have any right to be upset by other people using it but also to push his own headcanon to make their concerns even less legitimate....yikes.
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short-wooloo · 1 month
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Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases
The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side
The Jedi did not lose their way
The Jedi were not corrupted
The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault
The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing
The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone
and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion
The Jedi do not steal children
If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them
The Jedi are right about attachment
Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)
The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them
The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first
Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)
Gray jedi are not a thing
The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery
Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)
Feel free to add anything I forgot
Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all
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kanansdume · 7 months
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It's continuously frustrating that this show REFUSES to condemn Anakin for the things he's done or even really explicitly call him out on them, and they even go so far as to basically decide none of it even MATTERED.
But all they can say about the Jedi is that they failed.
When asked what Anakin was like, all Huyang says is that he was "intense."
The worst Ahsoka says is that he was "more dangerous than anyone realized" and then two episodes later she's calling him a "good master" despite everything he did to her and the rest of the galaxy. She never ONCE condemns him for committing a genocide against the Jedi and hunting them down for over two decades. She never ONCE condemns him for enslaving the clones and betraying their loyalty and using them as weapons against the Jedi they loved. She never ONCE condemns him for trying to personally kill HER.
He jokes with her, he gets to say that he wants to protect her, he gets to guide her into choosing to live, he makes recordings for her that she still uses years later. Anakin gets to be "more" than just his failures.
But the Jedi, somehow, do not. The Jedi are ONLY EVER their failures. Ahsoka never mentions them otherwise, she never remembers them fondly at all, she has no stories or connections about any of the other Jedi, she constantly disregards Jedi protcols as foolish and ridiculous at best.
The best thing they can say about the Jedi is that the "idea of them" had merit. But Anakin gets to be a GENUINELY good Jedi Master, more than just a good IDEA.
And this just feels like the WORST of double standards to me.
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jedi-enthusiast · 8 months
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Ngl I think a lot of people, when they talk about Jedi and attachments and how "the Jedi should be allowed to have them," just plain ignore the single most important show of attachment in all of Star Wars.
Padme and Anakin.
Obviously people bring them up 24/7 when they want to bash the Jedi or pretend that Anidala is the epitome of a "healthy relationship" (lmao), but when it comes to the actual point of how their relationship is framed and how it highlights how attachment works/what it does---suddenly all the discussion around Anakin and Padme disappears!
Anakin's attachment to Padme and his unwillingness to let her go is LITERALLY what ends up killing her!!!
He has dreams of her dying, becomes convinced that those dreams are what's gonna happen (despite the unreliable nature of visions), and---instead of actually telling anyone anything in enough detail so they could actually help---he:
- Starts working with a Sith Lord
- Massacres a Temple full of children, the elderly, the injured, etc. and the people who were caring for them
- Helps commit a genocide
- Overthrows democracy
And then, once Padme won't support him vying for them to control the galaxy, he becomes convinced that she's betrayed him and attempts to kill her---then, later on, because of Anakin's actions Padme dies.
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THAT is what attachment is and what it does.
Attachment is being unable, unwilling, to let someone go, no matter what that might mean for you or them, because you don't want to go through life without them---and the people you try to hold onto so tight ultimately get crushed in your grip because of it.
Think of it like holding someone's hand.
Non-attachment would be, when the other person wants to stop, letting them slip away and being happy with what you had while you had it---being content whether they choose to stay by your side or run off to go do something else.
Attachment would be, when the other person tries to let go, tightening your grip or grabbing their wrist---hurting them because you don't want there to even be a chance that you would be without them.
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So no, the Jedi were not wrong to teach non-attachment and they should not have "changed their philosophies so they were allowed to have attachments" like some people have suggested, because attachment is unhealthy and selfish and all it does is end up hurting those around you.
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inquisitor-apologist · 4 months
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Thinking about how, at the end of the day, at the fatal moment, the sunset of the Republic, it wasn’t Yoda, or Obi-Wan, or even the Chosen One himself standing in the way of Palpatine. It was Mace Windu.
Mace Windu, the inventor of Vaapad and Master of Form VII, the Jedi's strongest duelist, the only person to ever defeat Palpatine in combat. Mace Windu, Master of the Jedi Council and the youngest Master ever appointed to it, the revered leader of the Order. Mace Windu, who forgave even those who tried to kill him, who risked his life over and over again for his troops, who, after 3 years of desperate war, tried to negotiate with battle droids. Mace Windu, who knew the clones were created by the Sith and chose to trust them, who saw every Shatterpoint in the Republic, and loved it still, and fought for it until his last breath, until he was betrayed by Anakin, who he believed in and trusted despite everything.
Mace Windu, High General and hero of the Republic, the embodiment of the Light, the last and greatest champion of the Order, the best Jedi to ever live.
#I’ve said my piece goodnight#don’t play with me Mace Antis I have receipts for every last one of these#pretty much everyone agrees that he was the best duelist there was and he obviously won the fight#Anakin's choice wouldn't make thematic sense otherwise#also vader did not defeat palpatine in combat sorry he just grabbed him while he was distracted#it literally had to be a fair fight and Anakin had to be the one to choose to create the empire that's what the prequels are about#Star Wars databank calls him ‘revered’ shatterpoint tells us he was the youngest (real) member of the council#Boba Fett (tcw) and Prosset Dibs (comics) tried to kill him and he asked for amnesty and forgave them#literally just watch the Ryloth arc he spends most of his screentime saving his men#in tcw season seven he pleads with the battle droids to surrender hoping that no one else has to die#there's the part near the end of tcw where the council realizes that the clones were created by Dooku but Mace and the rest of the council#trust the clones so much they're willing to ignore it#the scene from Mace's POV in the rots novelization talks about how much he loves the republic and how he was blindsided by Anakin's betraya#because he trusted him!! we see in aotc that he has more faith in Anakin's abilities than Obi-wan#and he defeated the most powerful sith of all time single-handedly#BEST JEDI EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!#sw prequels#star wars prequels#prequel trilogy#sw prequel trilogy#star wars prequel trilogy#sw rots#star wars rots#revenge of the sith#star wars revenge of the sith#galactic republic#pro mace windu#mace windu#pro jedi order#pro jedi
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ventresses · 4 months
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legobenkenobi · 10 months
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there is quite genuinely not one single day where i don’t think about this and feel like i’m going to be fucking sick.
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they purposely isolated Cody from not only grieving over Obi-Wan but also from other people close to Obi-Wan because they didn’t want any risk of the mission failing. i’m gonna be fucking SICK do NOT talk to me!!!!!
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class-a-fanatic · 6 months
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Anakin is such an fascinating character because he’s tragic, but not in the sense that everything was stacked against him. He’s tragic in the sense that everything was lined up FOR him and he still chose the sith. Everyone gave their ALL for him and he let them down in the most horrific ways possible.
Obi-Wan, on the other hand, IS a tragic character because everything was stacked against him. This man tried his hardest to get through everything and help all that he could. But it always was never enough for the galaxy.
Imagine BEING Obi-Wan and seeing your former padawan, your brother, who had everything he could ever need and the galaxy’s favorite, destroy everything you managed to get from the galaxy’s cruel hands.
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nateofgreat · 18 days
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One thing that kind of annoys is when people talk like Barriss's random betrayal was somehow planned all along.
Like please tell me again that Dave Filoni had some master plan all the way back in Season 2 to introduce a cameo character (Barriss is not his creation she was there was a cameo) where she's depicted as selfless, compassionate, and a better Jedi than Ahsoka. Someone willing to lay down her life for others and face said death peacefully without any lingering trauma as she's fine the next episode.
Then completely forget about her for two whole seasons just to drag her back in S5 to be a purely evil villain because Dave needed someone to betray Ahsoka and he realized she was the only friend he'd given her that the audience remembered. Specifically because everyone liked her so much.
There's no arc here, no master plan, no convoluted character work, or tragic story of lost faith. Just a sloppy, hastily written arc meant to boot Ahsoka out of the Jedi before the show ended so she could survive Order 66. Just for Dave to have her circle back to the Jedi so she could directly survive it anyways.
Barriss wasn't (and still isn't) on some character journey. She was just a victim of circumstance.
Also no. Her acting calm doesn't mean that she was actually "repressed :(" by the meanie Jedi.
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faerromagnetic · 1 month
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Here's my take as one of the very few High Republic fans, since most of y'all have already decided the show is out to Shit on the Jedi. Have some context.
The HR tends to be very Pro-Jedi, with a lot of emphasis on the Jedi being a force for good, but is drawn to things like militarization, and insularism due to circumstances that they NEED to confront, because they are the Good Guys.
Evil David vs Good Goliath is the bread and butter of the HR, from the Path of the Open Hand to the Nihil, it's always been about defending Light and Life in the HR. Messages about how bad the Jedi and the Republic are very common in the HR. The Nihil talk a lot about how The Republic and the Jedi want to destroy their way of life (ie: murdering and raiding people). As well as the Open Hand saying the Jedi are abusing the Force by helping people with it. This isn't any different honestly
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cptsd-skywalker · 2 years
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Hot take: Anakin should NEVER have been allowed alone with Palpatine at such a young age. All in the comics (some cannon some not idc, point still stands) they have a young boy going off to bars with a creepy old man trying to groom and abuse him. That’s so messed up. No one thought for a moment it might be a problem with The Chancelor taking a young impressionable formerly enslaved child with no agency to his private quarters and out wherever he pleases? It reminds me of my last child abuse and it honestly blows my mind. There was such a huge power imbalance between them. Its clear evidence that Anakin was groomed from childhood (with all the gross implications that come with that) to be palpatines slave. Anakin who so craved love and attention as any child would isn’t in the position to say no to anything Palpatine asks of him. The incompetence here is ASTOUNDING.
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This is so wildly inappropriate.
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I don’t think some people realize why the gray jedi thing pisses some of us off so badly.
Imagine you like lord of the rings and you decide to look around the fandom.
And it turns out that 10+ or something years ago someone wrote a piece of fanfiction where they rewrote the rules for the ring. So instead of it only having one master and corrupting everyone else that tried to use it, it sometimes chooses to take a new master if it feels the person is worthy of it. And therefore this author’s self-insert OC can now use the one ring in all its glory without getting turned crazy.
This fanfic gets published (as some fanfics do) and most of the fandom has read it and loves it.
Now, when you (someone who has only dealt with canon works written by Tolkien) see this fic you go… huh. That’s nice, but it goes against the very point of the books and the lore tolkien created. So while it’s a good fic I’m not going to interact with it.
But then people keep harassing you for taking about/ writing the one ring the way tolkien wrote it to begin with.
And they SWEAR that this is the Actual lore of the one ring, and that YOU are wrong. Which is completely insane to you, because FRODE TOOK IT TO MORDOR FOR A REASON. There is only one lord of the ring!! That’s literally the name of the series that’s what it’s about!! If what the fandom was insisting about was possible, there would be no plot. In the original books.
This is why we are so upset over gray jedi!! Bc if it was possible to use the dark side but still be a good guy then wtf is wrong with Anakin? Why the fuck did Darth Vader fall to the dark side? Why did Luke struggle so much? If you can have your cake and eat it too why are the movies so fuckin long?? Why did Luke fail against Vader in Empire? what lesson did he learn in Return? Why would the movie be called Return of the Jedi if Luke had not learned the Jedi ways????
You can write OC’s as gray jedi all you want but when you start forcing it into canon it literally ruins the movies!
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antianakin · 1 year
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"The Jedi repress their emotions!"
Actually, that's Anakin!
"The Jedi have unhealthy relationships with people!"
Actually, that's Anakin!
"The Jedi are too embroiled in politics to truly be able to help people!"
Anakin is literally in the pocket of the Chancellor and continuously insists that they have to abide by the law while multiple other Jedi, particularly Council members, generally try to avoid that whenever possible in order to better help people on the mission.
"The Jedi aren't involved in politics enough to truly be able to help people!"
Despite living in the Chancellor's pocket, Anakin literally has no idea how the political system works as evidenced by his criticism of it in AOTC and TCW "Heroes on Both Sides." By contrast, we see that Ahsoka has clearly gotten an education in politics and has been taught that it's important to be involved in politics in order to try to keep corruption from happening, an education good enough that she's literally capable of teaching other kids her own age about it. It's also the Jedi who we see actively recognizing that Palpatine is corrupt and choosing the do something about it, unlike Anakin who just keeps making excuses for Palpatine.
"The Jedi didn't fight enough for the clones!"
The Jedi are the ONLY ones we EVER see fighting for the clones in ANY WAY. We see Jedi criticize EACH OTHER for negative treatment of the clones, we see Jedi fight back against the Kaminoans to save the clones, and we see Jedi literally dying to protect the clones. Yoda himself makes the argument to trust the clones after they discover that the clones are probably a Sith trap for the Jedi. There is NO ONE ELSE who ever fights for the clones at all, but the Jedi are seen to do so MULTIPLE TIMES. And I will note that aside from fighting on the battlefield with them, none of these examples include Anakin, who is frequently seen to EXPLOIT his own men, particularly Rex, for his own selfish agendas.
"The Jedi steal babies!"
This has been debunked over and over again by people with more resources than me, but guess who actually DOES steal children? If you guessed Anakin, YOU'D BE RIGHT! And according to the multiple people who gave me examples last time I asked (thank you to all of you who did so), he specifically steals a baby FROM A FORMER JEDI. He also literally helps torture captured Jedi children into becoming Jedi hunters and keeps the body of a Jedi child as a trophy.
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